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What are your most hated fanfic tropes

The whole Ankoman thing reminds me of when Orangemaru made that Gilgamesh NTRing Mash away and the sheer amount of hate and visceral reaction it got from seemingly everyone. Like even to this day sometimes I see some artist out a character in Mash's outfit from that doujin and you see people going "no, no, no" and "fuck you you bastard". It's like any sort of NTR just breaks people's brains for some reason. I'm not a fan of the tropes specifically and ones that lean too heavily into the whole "I'm stealing her away from you" and focusing on the person being cucked aren't enjoyable at all to me, you'd think Ankoman and other NTRtists walked into their house, shot their dogs, then raped their IRL wives. Like calm the fuck down, guys.

As an aside, I do read fics/doujins with NTR in them, as it happens that some of my favorite things, mind break through pleasure, fantasy drug/aphrodisiac play, corruption, the woman just really really enjoying herself, etc., happen to be very common in the NTR genre. Honestly wish more would do their works without the focus on the cuck, but it is what it is so long as it isn't too heavy
Orangemaru's case was especially bad since people saw it as a betrayal of their earlier works, which didn't feature any NTR.

The backlash was big enough that they stopped doing FGO content, from what I can recall, and focused on drawing vanilla Idolmaster stuff.

So it kinda is a mix of whether the artist has a reputation as an NTR artist and how popular a fandom is.
 
Why do Worm fanfic authors always seems to have Taylor come into the narrative of the MC's story and become a deuteragonist instead of just writing her as a side character?
Despite Worm fans claiming not to care about Wildbow's WOG, they still fall for the propaganda about how Taylor is the most important person in the universe and things need to happen to beat Scion.
 
I really hate it when the MC in a setting that doesn't have reincarnation tells others that s/he is a reincarnate. That they know the future. It breaks my immersion every single time. I've had it happen twice in the last 2 months now.

Certain settings can get away with it, but those usually have some form of precedent. In the harder sci-fi stories, it's a complete interest killer.
 
What really grinds my gears is when one of the fanfic's main purposes for its creation is CHARACTER BASHING!

Like, bro. I don't come to your stories, only to get a pie to the face as you BASH, BASH, DOUBLE BASH a character or a few more to the point the main plot being intended for them gets derailed harder than a rock!

You hate this character? Fine, be my guest! Just don't let that thing grow into an obsession so extreme that you'll ended up overshadowing your plots, your masterpieces, your characters, YOUR DREAM OF WRITING A GOOD STORY, just to satiate it.
 
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You hate this character? Fine, be my guest! Just don't let that thing grow into an obsession so extreme that you'll ended up overshadowing your plots, your masterpieces, your characters, YOUR DREAM OF WRITING A GOOD STORY, just to satiate it.

Sadly, I've read more fics than I'd like to where the entire point of the story was to bash and write said character completely OOC just to satisfy the author.
 
Sadly, I've read more fics than I'd like to where the entire point of the story was to bash and write said character completely OOC just to satisfy the author.
I've seen plenty of stories where the MC outgrows the bashed character, and the author needs to justify a power up just to keep bashing them.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think they were in love with them. :V
 
Sadly, I've read more fics than I'd like to where the entire point of the story was to bash and write said character completely OOC just to satisfy the author.
Especially some of the Hazbinverse fics. Like, seriously! The last time I ever come across a multiple-character bashing so extreme from that fandom, it was in that crossover with MHA on AO3 in which Adam ends up having a new life in that world and become a priest-king of sort of an island of Quirkless, those with mutant quirks and so forth.

Not only was the main characters' victory over the Exorcists get absolutely subverted and deconstructed greatly, but in the Helluva side, most of the characters there got murdered HARD by Cain himself in what can only described as the most detailed and hate-fueled recreations of every horror movie gorefest to ever graced the internet. (The fact that the author wrote the aftermaths detailedly like he's writing an academic essay really goes to show that the entire fic is, up til that point, a stealth bashing fic.)

That was the last time I ever blindly hop throughout AO3 and pic whatever fics that seems good based solely on the outside.
 
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Why do Worm fanfic authors always seems to have Taylor come into the narrative of the MC's story and become a deuteragonist instead of just writing her as a side character?

If I'm being honest, if there's a story like that where Taylor is the same batshit crazy person as she is canon I would love to read it lmao. Unfortunately most if not all fics simply butcher her character so much it hurts. Those rare few one with proper characterisation for everyone are a joy to read
 
Another thing I hate is when the MC is some overly pure and anti-sex person who shames others for having sex while saying that they can totally get someone to sleep with but won't because or whatever reason

Honestly I have an idea for a harem mc who's fat, kinda depressed, and doesn't trust others. The reason why he doesn't want to have sex is because a. He doesn't trust the girl to not betray him later b. He doesn't trust himself to be a good romantic partner c. He doesn't think he can please a woman in bed

The story is about him learning to beat each of those reasons.
 
People love to bring up crop rotations in any uplift-fic scenario, and 99% of the time they're troglodyte retards who don't know the first goddamn thing about how farming works, or the fact that crop-rotation systems only work with certain crops and certain soils. Honestly, most people writing uplift-fics in general are fucking morons who don't actually understand any of the technology their Sooper Speshul OC Donut Steel is "introducing" to the setting. It's all just smug, SB-tier slop for other smug, limp-wristed dickweeds to ooh and ahh over. It's worse than trite, it's worse than dull, it's just straight up masturbatory.

Also, and yes I know I've complained about this half a dozen times already, the term "swimmer's build" or "runner's build" makes me want to chokeslam authors through a wall. You disgusting DYELs don't even know what that term actually fucking means, and if you DO actually possess the ability to accurately visualize what a swimmer's build or runner's build is, then you're even worse for willingly making your MC a little twink bitch.
 
any uplift-fic scenario,

I really want uplift fics that actually uplift the setting straight into some post-scarcity technological singularity instead of some half-assed "muh crop rotation" meme.

Hell, lots of those fics don't even introduce the modern concept of property ownership or the concept of human rights. The MC is fine being pro-monarchism and pro-feudal
 
Also, and yes I know I've complained about this half a dozen times already, the term "swimmer's build" or "runner's build" makes me want to chokeslam authors through a wall. You disgusting DYELs don't even know what that term actually fucking means, and if you DO actually possess the ability to accurately visualize what a swimmer's build or runner's build is, then you're even worse for willingly making your MC a little twink bitch.

THANK YOU for saying the things I've been thinking these days with these fics. As someone who used to run cross country and half marathons, some of these runners look two pounds off a skeleton. I would never wish that on any of my characters. And if we're doing the sports larping names, use wide receiver or quarterback build when referring to thinner builds. At least those guys have the muscle on their bones.
 
I really want uplift fics that actually uplift the setting straight into some post-scarcity technological singularity instead of some half-assed "muh crop rotation" meme.

Hell, lots of those fics don't even introduce the modern concept of property ownership or the concept of human rights. The MC is fine being pro-monarchism and pro-feudal
How can they claim to have uplifted society if they haven't even abolished slavery for minimum wage capitalism? :V
 
THANK YOU for saying the things I've been thinking these days with these fics. As someone who used to run cross country and half marathons, some of these runners look two pounds off a skeleton. I would never wish that on any of my characters. And if we're doing the sports larping names, use wide receiver or quarterback build when referring to thinner builds. At least those guys have the muscle on their bones.

As the designated gym autist of this website, I have been harping on this point (very publicly!) for YEARS now. It's very gratifying to hear I'm not the only one. As with many things wrong on the internet that I can't blame tumblr for, I blame 2000s chuuni culture; it really popularized this pathetic twig build as the ideal physique.

Additionally, in general I would say that Asian beauty standards (which a huge percentage of fanfic authors have internalized due to their media consumption) really don't prioritize lean muscle mass or physical fitness. They focus on things like having really clear skin, silky hair and a certain facial bone structure over being beefy and strong. This translates especially strongly when people are writing anime fics.

Thirdly, I think for a lot of authors, having a physically active AND visually impressive MC is somewhat threatening, as the authors themselves are oftentimes either some variety of unhealthily skinny, built like a gross potbellied skinnyfat goblin, or just outright hamplanet level fat. They want their MC to be able to do all sorts of cool things, but he still has to look like more or less an ordinary guy or else Mr. Writer is reminded that he himself looks like shit and would be better off spending his time lifting instead of writing.

All these factors combined lead to every 2000s and 2010s Naruto/Harry Potter/etc fanfic featuring the dreaded "runner's build" or "swimmer's build." They don't actually think their MC is built like a high-level distance runner or competitive swimmer. What they're really saying is "this guy can do cool stuff but he doesn't look like it, because I and my readers have paper thin egos and reading about a buff guy doing cool stuff reminds us of getting our heads shoved into toilets back in high school" or some such ridiculous variation.

TLDR it's all DYEL projection all the way down and it's never going to get better.
 
TLDR it's all DYEL projection all the way down and it's never going to get better.
Don't forget the rarer, more advanced version of the trope where the transmigrated protagonist decides to get super strong upon rebirth, but since they can't really think of anything specific from experience, they default to the tried and true ONE-HUNDRED PUSHUPS, ONE-HUNDRED SITUPS, 10-KM RUN etc. every single day. Sometimes done as early as five years old or so, which is really my personal favourite.
 
Thirdly, I think for a lot of authors, having a physically active AND visually impressive MC is somewhat threatening, as the authors themselves are oftentimes either some variety of unhealthily skinny, built like a gross potbellied skinnyfat goblin, or just outright hamplanet level fat. They want their MC to be able to do all sorts of cool things, but he still has to look like more or less an ordinary guy or else Mr. Writer is reminded that he himself looks like shit and would be better off spending his time lifting instead of writing.
You made imagine someone who wrote a mc fitter than they are, realised this and got pissed about it and decided to outdo them because they ain't gonna write about some mf who is stronger than them lmao
 
On the danger of sounding like an idiot... Isn't a swimmer's build one with broad shoulders? I get a runner's build being a twink, but I don't really associate a swimmer's build with those.
Sometimes done as early as five years old or so, which is really my personal favourite.
Honestly, whenever that happens I just hope it's tongue-in-cheek, to reference the kinda stupid training regimes a Shonen or Comic setting comes up with where it's obvious the writer's never lifted anything more than a pencil either.
 
Thirdly, I think for a lot of authors, having a physically active AND visually impressive MC is somewhat threatening, as the authors themselves are oftentimes either some variety of unhealthily skinny, built like a gross potbellied skinnyfat goblin, or just outright hamplanet level fat. They want their MC to be able to do all sorts of cool things, but he still has to look like more or less an ordinary guy or else Mr. Writer is reminded that he himself looks like shit and would be better off spending his time lifting instead of writing.

All these factors combined lead to every 2000s and 2010s Naruto/Harry Potter/etc fanfic featuring the dreaded "runner's build" or "swimmer's build." They don't actually think their MC is built like a high-level distance runner or competitive swimmer. What they're really saying is "this guy can do cool stuff but he doesn't look like it, because I and my readers have paper thin egos and reading about a buff guy doing cool stuff reminds us of getting our heads shoved into toilets back in high school" or some such ridiculous variation.

TLDR it's all DYEL projection all the way down and it's never going to get better.

I 100% believe that this is the case, either consciously or unconsciously. They don't have the experience or confidence to write someone built like a linebacker and it frightens them just enough to not write it, and that's pretty sad putting it nicely.
 
Hyper-Specific to one fandom: "Dystopian Crystal Tokyo" is a Sailor Moon trope that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. It wasn't clever the first time it was written, and it hasn't gotten more clever in the time since. "Uh uh... buh but Utopia's don't exist uwu, All the bad stuff has to be hidden underneath all the girly shit that threatens my masculinity free health care and clean air and eternal life! Look at how the Black Moon family were banished to a nightmare planet!" Motherfucker, the Black Moon family were a bunch of religious psychopaths whose motivations are explicitly told to us on screen. They don't like the fact that people live longer, happier lives. So they decided to be terrorists and killed a bunch of innocent people without realizing that Neo Queen Serenity is able to resurrect the dead. And the planet they were banished too was a flourishing earth-like planet before they were sent there.

In General: It's not that I dislike Self-Inserts. But I feel like they get far more leeway than they really aught to. 99% of the time they're just OC's wearing a paper bag on their head that has "SI" written on it anyhow. We need to normalize OC's in the writing space again.
 
In General: It's not that I dislike Self-Inserts. But I feel like they get far more leeway than they really aught to. 99% of the time they're just OC's wearing a paper bag on their head that has "SI" written on it anyhow. We need to normalize OC's in the writing space again.

Valid. That's what literally every character you know of was at one point in time. An OC in someone's head.
 
Despite Worm fans claiming not to care about Wildbow's WOG, they still fall for the propaganda about how Taylor is the most important person in the universe and things need to happen to beat Scion.
....The author and readers of a fic being invested in the Main character of the canon text is one of the most predictable things in the history of fandom.

Also, Wildbow, the man who famously got so sick of Taylor that he unpersoned her in the sequel, was not pushing Taylor propaganda.
 
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On the danger of sounding like an idiot... Isn't a swimmer's build one with broad shoulders? I get a runner's build being a twink, but I don't really associate a swimmer's build with those.

Honestly, whenever that happens I just hope it's tongue-in-cheek, to reference the kinda stupid training regimes a Shonen or Comic setting comes up with where it's obvious the writer's never lifted anything more than a pencil either.
Generally an actual swimmer's build has fuck off massive back muscles and above average musculature in every other category. The 'swimmer's build' most fanfic authors visualize is just a lean body type with low body fat, average musculature and high vascularity.
 
Generally an actual swimmer's build has fuck off massive back muscles and above average musculature in every other category. The 'swimmer's build' most fanfic authors visualize is just a lean body type with low body fat, average musculature and high vascularity.

Yeah, they are not thinking of Michael Phelps when they say swimmers build. They're thinking of Ryan Murphy at his thinnest.
 
Yeah, they are not thinking of Michael Phelps when they say swimmers build. They're thinking of Ryan Murphy at his thinnest.
It's either that or the generic 2000s romance movie male love interest body type which is just 'dude that goes to the gym and isn't overweight'. The physical training scenes always suspend my disbelief too, there's no recovery days or progressive overload and I'm supposed to believe the MC isn't a crippled wreck that can't use his joints and has persistent exhaustion is because of 'regeneration'.
 
It's either that or the generic 2000s romance movie male love interest body type which is just 'dude that goes to the gym and isn't overweight'. The physical training scenes always suspend my disbelief too, there's no recovery days or progressive overload and I'm supposed to believe the MC isn't a crippled wreck that can't use his joints and has persistent exhaustion is because of 'regeneration'.

Yeah, unless it's someone like thor from the comics, who depending on the comic is made up of living stories and concepts instead of actual physical body, or hulk or something, it's best to just add in that they rested and stretched etc.. Also, with the diets some of these people are having in these stories, good luck getting good muscle mass.
 
Also, with the diets some of these people are having in these stories, good luck getting good muscle mass.
Oh my god the diets piss me off so bad. Some of these MCs will never eat a SINGLE carb or fiber in the story during their training arc or the cannibal characters that aren't built for cannibalism like a Ghoul and are walking perfectly fine despite the absurd amount of red meat they just ate and the author acts as if that's enough to keep a 'human' functioning. Not to go 'muh realism' but some these people shouldn't have a digestive system that isn't about to fail on them at any moment.
 
Oh my god the diets piss me off so bad. Some of these MCs will never eat a SINGLE carb or fiber in the story during their training arc or the cannibal characters that aren't built for cannibalism like a Ghoul and are walking perfectly fine despite the absurd amount of red meat they just ate and the author acts as if that's enough to keep a 'human' functioning. Not to go 'muh realism' but some these people shouldn't have a digestive system that isn't about to fail on them at any moment.
Ultimately something they don't think about because this idea was never sold to them or it ruins their fantasy of the always perfect ubermensch that never need to take a shit.

Their understanding of diet and exercise doesn't peak beyond the mental image of insane buffets and lifting absurd amounts of weights.

Behavior emulated from characters like Luffy and Zoro.
 
Honestly fellas, I just wanted a safe space to rag on DYELs. I'm beyond honored that my vicious, borderline apoplectic ranting has inspired some genuine fitness discourse on this website.

Don't forget the rarer, more advanced version of the trope where the transmigrated protagonist decides to get super strong upon rebirth, but since they can't really think of anything specific from experience, they default to the tried and true ONE-HUNDRED PUSHUPS, ONE-HUNDRED SITUPS, 10-KM RUN etc. every single day. Sometimes done as early as five years old or so, which is really my personal favourite.
We can actually take this a step further, as the whole "100 push ups etc" routine was first done in Scorsese's Taxi Driver all the way back in the early 70s. Fittingly enough, that too featured a concerningly thin protagonist who talked about how they're getting so fit but actually just looked like they were one missed meal away from an Auschwitz physique.

You made imagine someone who wrote a mc fitter than they are, realised this and got pissed about it and decided to outdo them because they ain't gonna write about some mf who is stronger than them lmao
I started writing my "Issei starts lifting and his whole life improves almost immediately" DxD fic specifically because I got back into taking the gym and bodybuilding seriously around 2019 and, surprise, my whole life improved almost immediately. You're literally just describing me right now.

On the danger of sounding like an idiot... Isn't a swimmer's build one with broad shoulders? I get a runner's build being a twink, but I don't really associate a swimmer's build with those.
Generally an actual swimmer's build has fuck off massive back muscles and above average musculature in every other category. The 'swimmer's build' most fanfic authors visualize is just a lean body type with low body fat, average musculature and high vascularity.
If we wanted to be as accurate as possible, I would say the ideal "swimmer's build" is somebody with a wide clavicle (not necessarily big deltoids like you were saying, but in fact the bone itself is longer than average), HIGHLY developed mid and upper back (specifically having ginormous lats) and very long limbs with big hands.

Yeah, they are not thinking of Michael Phelps when they say swimmers build. They're thinking of Ryan Murphy at his thinnest.
They're not even thinking of Ryan Murphy. They're thinking of one of those little fruitcakes that sing in a KPop boy band, with photoshopped abs over their 165lb frame.

There's a couple other comments about diet and rest that are also worth responding to, but this guy pretty much nailed it:
Their understanding of diet and exercise doesn't peak beyond the mental image of insane buffets and lifting absurd amounts of weights.

Behavior emulated from characters like Luffy and Zoro.
These people don't know the first fucking thing about weight training, they don't know the first fucking thing about combat sports (go read literally any fight scene and just try to visualize some of the ridiculous shit they're claiming the characters are doing), they don't know the first fucking thing about sports dieting, they don't understand basic principles of exercise like recovery times, carb intake, etc etc etc. The entire extent of their exposure to that world is shonenslop and maybe 30 seconds of a "Get Abs in 10 minutes a day!" YouTube ad they saw a decade ago.
 

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