On a Pale Horse (Umamusume/Youjo Senki)

Chrisleech said:

There was only one Tanya fic I can remember where she was afraid of motherhood, and that one was more because she was more or less in the middle ages, and her own mother died in childbirth. And nobody else knew magic able to ease birthing pains or problems. But after she did actually go through with it due to obligation, motherhood seemed to fit her pretty well.

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I'm assuming this is Inevitable Dance with/of the Dragons? (on QQ, it's "with Dragons," on SB it's "of the Dragons")

Tanya reincarnates as "Elaena," second daughter of Viserys and Aemma, thus becoming Rhaenyra's younger (full-blooded) sister.

This is, of course, a House of the Dragon crossover.

Elaena uses magic multiple times to aid the women in her family when they are giving birth, and is much beloved amongst her family.

She also slaughtered an opposing army on dragon-back and used her visible similarities (at a distance) to Laenor (and her dragon's similarities to his) to foist the "glory" and reputation off onto him, with the "Dark Storm" effectively becoming like OPM's King.

Chrisleech said:

Those don't have anything to do with sexual orientation. They have to do with the gender of the past life they were reincarnated from. On one ear means they were a mare, on the other means they were a stallion, on a rare few, having both meant they were intersex. In this case it's because Shirogane has been male in one life and female in another.

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Uh, the more I know.

Liar said:

I've read both the light novels and the manga, and I don't recall anything explicitly stating that Tanya does not want children. There is an instance in the manga where Tanya expresses her dislike for menstruation, but that is the extent of it. It seems that someone wrote a good fanfic portraying Tanya as someone who doesn't want to be a mother or wishes to avoid childbirth. This fanfic appears to have spread widely within the fandom, becoming accepted as fanon without anyone questioning whether it is supported by canonical material.

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They don't say anything specific, but I'm interpretating it from the following elements in Canon:
* Tanya's discomfort relating any form of feminity and womanhood, being clothes, menstruation, social cues, image, responsibilities, etc
* Tanya's image of her ideal future. Usually it's alone, with no partner or child.
* Tanya actively avoiding romantic relationships. There's a summary that says that she got married and had a child, but I can't find the specific chapter and also the WN is no longer Canon.
The lack of an actual answer feels more like Carlo Zen did not know how to write a romance and decided to avoid, leaving nothing but straws to build the few ships that are constant in the fanfic space

Also I don't recall the fanfic you're mentioning.

Chrisleech said:

There was only one Tanya fic I can remember where she was afraid of motherhood, and that one was more because she was more or less in the middle ages, and her own mother died in childbirth. And nobody else knew magic able to ease birthing pains or problems. But after she did actually go through with it due to obligation, motherhood seemed to fit her pretty well.

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Fanfiction name?

neta wey said:

Fanfiction name?

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A Young Woman's Inevitable Dance of the Dragons
There was someone who also recognized it, and linked it just above your post.

Aigloss said:

Only problem is fact that it directly uses phrase "sit on a horse". Given that Uma riding isn't a thing as far as i know, it wouldn't exist in such form in Uma verse.

On the other hand, it just my brain thinking too much about fictional performance of Isekai Loli

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Actually, it talks about the young soldier mounting his horse. Which, uh, well that certainly explains why the rest of the song has him whining about never seeing his girlfriend again~

macdjord said:

Actually, it talks about the young soldier mounting his horse. Which, uh, well that certainly explains why the rest of the song has him whining about never seeing his girlfriend again~

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The issue of translation. They translated "siada na konia" aka "sits on a horse" as "mounts a horse"

neta wey said:

They don't say anything specific, but I'm interpretating it from the following elements in Canon:
* Tanya's discomfort relating any form of feminity and womanhood, being clothes, menstruation, social cues, image, responsibilities, etc
* Tanya's image of her ideal future. Usually it's alone, with no partner or child.
* Tanya actively avoiding romantic relationships. There's a summary that says that she got married and had a child, but I can't find the specific chapter and also the WN is no longer Canon.
The lack of an actual answer feels more like Carlo Zen did not know how to write a romance and decided to avoid, leaving nothing but straws to build the few ships that are constant in the fanfic space

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You're mistaken on the second point because, in the manga, she once dreamed of being the Salaryman again who married a woman from his workplace, and they had a child together.

In any case, your interpretations are your own, but they aren't explicitly canon. Fanfiction writers have considerable freedom to develop Tanya's character in their stories within this framework. Some writers choose to explore Tanya's gender identity or sexuality as she matures, while in other cases, these aspects aren't the main focus and therefore don't need to be addressed in the story.

neta wey said:

There's very little of Mother!Tanya, most of it goes sometimes into OOC territory, which also happens in even the most fanon ships (Visha or Lergen), but it becomes almost the norm when motherhood is involved. From strict and loving mother and sexually active with King Robert in Saga of Tanya Lannister to confused husband in Reluctant Ruler, there's not really a floor to touch base, so to speak. Not sure how the author wishes to play it.

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One fic that I know that Tanya was happy as a mother of two was the Chinese Empress!Tanya

Every interpretation is equally (non-)canon, but some are more equally (non-)canon than others. Tanya is broadly easier to justify as not having an opinion one way or another due to the multiple factors you can easily stack that way from the original story. Salaryman and Tanya are both very career focused, Tanya is multiple decades older than her prospective romantic partners, the whole gender thing, and there's probably more subtle ones too.

You really only need one of those to torpedo the idea of Tanya having a relationship with anyone in a third+ life fic, and as a corollary you kinda need to fight against them to establish a relationship for her. They're established character traits that by most views should impact her decision making in that field to at least some negative degree.

Killdread said:

Every interpretation is equally (non-)canon, but some are more equally (non-)canon than others. Tanya is broadly easier to justify as not having an opinion one way or another due to the multiple factors you can easily stack that way from the original story. Salaryman and Tanya are both very career focused, Tanya is multiple decades older than her prospective romantic partners, the whole gender thing, and there's probably more subtle ones too.

You really only need one of those to torpedo the idea of Tanya having a relationship with anyone in a third+ life fic, and as a corollary you kinda need to fight against them to establish a relationship for her. They're established character traits that by most views should impact her decision making in that field to at least some negative degree.

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From my perspective, I believe those interpretations are overstated. I don't disagree that they exist and are important, but they seem overly limiting. I think Tanya is more than capable of falling in love or being interested in finding a partner. You just need to establish the conditions that allow her to do so, and I don't think it would be a struggle depending on the story you're writing. I can imagine that in this story, she would be more than willing to settle down after her racing career ends, once she completes her education, and she inherits the family restaurant.

Liar said:

From my perspective, I believe those interpretations are overstated. I don't disagree that they exist and are important, but they seem overly limiting. I think Tanya is more than capable of falling in love or being interested in finding a partner. You just need to establish the conditions that allow her to do so, and I don't think it would be a struggle depending on the story you're writing. I can imagine that in this story, she would be more than willing to settle down after her racing career ends, once she completes her education, and she inherits the family restaurant.

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Yeah it's possible, there's just several things from the original characterization that add difficulty to doing it and make it easier to do the opposite. It's a quick extrapolation from "I'm basically 40 years older than my peers" to "dating is a bad idea actually." While getting the conditions/character growth to go the other way is generally a longer/rougher road.