• The site has now migrated to Xenforo 2. If you see any issues with the forum operation, please post them in the feedback thread.
  • An addendum to Rule 3 regarding fan-translated works of things such as Web Novels has been made. Please see here for details.
  • The issue with logging in with email addresses has been resolved.
  • Due to issues with external spam filters, QQ is currently unable to send any mail to Microsoft E-mail addresses. This includes any account at live.com, hotmail.com or msn.com. Signing up to the forum with one of these addresses will result in your verification E-mail never arriving. For best results, please use a different E-mail provider for your QQ address.
  • For prospective new members, a word of warning: don't use common names like Dennis, Simon, or Kenny if you decide to create an account. Spammers have used them all before you and gotten those names flagged in the anti-spam databases. Your account registration will be rejected because of it.
  • Since it has happened MULTIPLE times now, I want to be very clear about this. You do not get to abandon an account and create a new one. You do not get to pass an account to someone else and create a new one. If you do so anyway, you will be banned for creating sockpuppets.
  • Due to the actions of particularly persistent spammers and trolls, we will be banning disposable email addresses from today onward.
  • The rules regarding NSFW links have been updated. See here for details.

Questionable Questing

Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Very. Kindred the dual aspected God of death has visited her and she fights Pantheon, a Champion in the lore, ergo named character, who represents war and conflict here. She battles him and later takes from Lamb, the tall skinny blue thing with the wolf mask, some symbol of the Wolf Aspect of Kindred's power and becomes a champion of war of some kind. Its hard to tell how much is magical vs surreal vision.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
The ending is that she for the sake of her family will become a great matriarch of war. And the lamb is symoblic of her son or her children in general
Andy333
Andy333
And in the process of becoming that warrior, she will no longer become recognized by her family as the blood shed and killing fundamentally changes her as a person. Cool. Kind of reminds me of the Black Freighter symbolism from Watchmen.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
What sort of symbolism there and League with that Zed comic and this has some good lore amid a sea of bad boring shit
Andy333
Andy333
Have you ever read Watchmen? Well, if you haven't only some light spoilers here. Basically through the comic in between focusing on the superhero characters slowly unraveling a conspiracy that's going to kill a bunch of people, we get these small interludes basically where it's either flash backs and world building or we see these two reoccurring characters.
Andy333
Andy333
This nerdy black kid, who likes collecting comic books, and this older white man who runs a newspaper stand and in between selling old comics he collects as well to the kid, since real life superheroes have caused comic companies to go bankrupt, the two talk and it acts as a good way to show how the outside world and normal people are responding to the events the superheros are dealing with.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Ah. Only saw movie. Never read the comic
Andy333
Andy333
And throughout the story, they are particularly obsessed with finding this one specific comic called the tales of the Black Freighter. It makes an interesting situation with a comic within a comic. Which is about a man whose crew gets killed by pirates, so he goes on a roaring rampage of revenge against them and in the end accidentally destroys the village he was from with his family in it.
Andy333
Andy333
And the tale of the Black freighter is significant in the story, because it mirrors what Veidt the main villain is doing. He thinks he's saving the world, but really he's only killing a shit load of people mindlessly. And that black kid and old white man, I mentioned their races specifically since the story is set in a time when racism was very alive,
Andy333
Andy333
The older man tried to shield the kid from the blast with his body. Which was real heroism. And what the world actually needed, not more blood and destruction like Veiid thought. And throughout the whole story the Black Freighter represents destroying yourself and the people around you, despite your intentions.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Very interesting that the comic is about how this guy's vengeance kills everyone he loves in his violence
Andy333
Andy333
The ominously named Black Freighter was this ghostly vision the guy had, which was a warning of bad things that were about to happen and in the end in a very cheesy way he realized he was the Black Freighter all along.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Veiid is the guy who had the vision?
Andy333
Andy333
The main character of the Black Freighter comic, but interestingly Veidt does actually quote the Black Freighter Comic in his last conversation with Dr. Manhattan, when he starts to realize it was all for nothing.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
And so he finds out he's wrong?
Andy333
Andy333
Which is actually good character writing in this case and not just an excuse for the Author to tie everything up in a bow, Since Viedt is actually a super comic nerd and in-between the conspiracy and running a billion dollar company, he likes collecting them and I think there's a scene in his office where a Black Freighter comic book can be found in the background in a bookcase.
Andy333
Andy333
But yeah, Veidt finds out he was wrong. Dr Manhattan specifically tells him, which are his last lines in the book, nothing ever changes. As in, the conspiracy won't change war or human nature and eventually everything that's happened will happen again. And remember Dr. Manhattan can see the future, so that's a fucking promise. lol
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Interesting way to humanize this guy by making him like comics too
Andy333
Andy333
Yeah, one of my big complaints in the movie is that Vedit is a super nerd in the comics. He's a little more awkward. His speeches he gives are less cold and a lot more emotional and despite the big words he uses almost childish at times. It's like he can't accept the idea he's wrong or it'll just kill him.
Andy333
Andy333
I think the warmer colors, and simpler more stylized drawings they used for the faces and characters, in comparison for the very dark and overcast setting for the movie also played a role.
Back
Top