With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Silveraith · Dec 8, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Superman takes the majority of its wrath as it he flies at it, fists extended

It should probably be deleted.

Darko · Dec 8, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Someone's using the Anti Life Equation

Maybe 'Anti-Life'

Mr Zoat said:
Ambrose's eyebrows shoot upward, while John merely inclines his head slightly. "I.. see. And what brought this on?"

"Satanus building infrastructure. I don't

Maybe 'Satanus's building

DrThoth said:
I forget if the Demons Three are going to show up at some point (or already did and I forgot).

Yep, they showed up.

Mr Zoat said:
image of a trio of demons sitting on a bench and sharing a bag

Mr Zoat · Dec 8, 2021

Silveraith said:
It should probably be deleted.

Darko said:
Maybe 'Anti-Life'
Maybe 'Satanus's building

Thank you, corrected.

0zymandias · Dec 8, 2021

It's understated how bad it is that Truggs is looting other planets and that he's bold enough to raid a demon world ruled by a DemonSuperman. If DS or any high enough demon's had caught a whiff of they were doing it could have led to a demonic invasion on Earth 16, if DS acted as he did on his world and began destroying major infrastructure projects it would lead to billions of deaths and triggering a series of collapses across the planet. We don't know if DS is as powerful as Superman/Overman or even more so due to being empowered by demonic energies but we know he has experience killing/corrupting the Justice League. Truggs is ruthless and supremely prosiac when it comes to his goals but this is a risk that's beyond the pale

Impartial Panic · Dec 8, 2021

deccan2008 said:
I don't get it, Demon Superman shot them once from the other side of the planet and then went back to brooding?

I think He was hoping they would go directly to fighting him.
When he saw they didn't come after him he probably couldn't be bothered to go to them.

Since they aren't here to give him entertainment right now
he'll let them wander the ruins and hope it will inspire them to attack later.

Bud-E · Dec 8, 2021

Has Green-Man given Paul the info he requested or did he just decide to ignore Earth and the people that live there? Not insulting him Earth on its best day's can be called a hell-world in this universe their actually right.

Pinklestia · Dec 8, 2021

Wow is Truggs an idiot. Looting a Hell infected Earth has to be only second of going into Warhammer 40,000 and asking an audience with the "golden toilet" Emperor.

I mean my SI character is basically Mad Science Edison, meaning he steals other people tech and improves it; and even the evil version of him would think Truggs is a freaking idiot.

Darko · Dec 8, 2021

Bud-E said:
Has Green-Man given Paul the info he requested or did he just decide to ignore Earth and the people that live there? Not insulting him Earth on its best day's can be called a hell-world in this universe their actually right.

I don't think he did since he doesn't know who Paul is and thus may not fully trust him.

Also the Guardians could have forbidden him from doing so once they found out it was an Orange Lantern.

They don't have the best history with those.

0zymandias · Dec 8, 2021

Impartial Panic said:
I think He was hoping they would go directly to fighting him.
When he saw they didn't come after him he probably couldn't be bothered to go to them.

So any bets on what made Demon Superman do insane? I'd imagine an early enemy corrupted this Superman a la the Batman who Laughs and that started his road to the dark side. And does anyone have any expectations on what the Demonworld Paul is like? I'm imagining he was corrupted and became an evil Sybarite lieutenant or something similar to Angel-Paul and he's a part of the anti demon resistance.

Mr Zoat · Dec 8, 2021

Bud-E said:
Has Green-Man given Paul the info he requested or did he just decide to ignore Earth and the people that live there? Not insulting him Earth on its best day's can be called a hell-world in this universe their actually right.

He has not yet responded.

Doccer · Dec 8, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
"Depends whether there's robot follow-"

there's a follow-

Mr Zoat said:
would give their eyeteeth to own.

Eyeteeth?

Mr Zoat said:
"They still attacked you when you were… Friends?"

"It was a sort of test."

"A test to find out what you could do?"

"A test to see whether it would drive me away." Hm. "I don't think they had any specifically anti-Kryptonian weapons here, but I-."

So GLaDos but sane.

Chojin Patriarch said:
That is a good point. An unwarded corpse? Probably possible for a wandering demon to occupy, at least for a while.

True. But I woulda incinerated the bodies. Demons might not have made their way here otherwise.

Coda · Dec 9, 2021

Doccer said:
there's a follow-

Missing "robot" but more likely the correction should have been "there's robots follow-" (which would be grammatically incorrect but very common vernacular usage, so gets a pass in dialogue)

Doccer said:
Eyeteeth?

It's a regional idiom. Your eyeteeth are another name for your canine teeth, so to give one's eyeteeth for something implies you would be willing to trade even parts of your own body for something.

Baladar · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat I don't recall the chapter, but I seem to recall that when Paul was bonded to Snek Lady, he redesigned Warhammer to fix it.

I found out that one person has been doing that single handedly to make a "9th Edition" of Fantasy. Thought you might be amused:

http://warhammerarmiesproject.blogspot.com/

Mr Zoat · Dec 9, 2021

16th September 2012
13:03 GMT -7

Sigh.

It's got to be done.

I knock on the door to Celestia's office in the School for Gifted Unicorns, which isn't actually as tribalist as it sounds. I mean, it's pretty tribalist and anyone trying this in America would find themselves on the receiving end of a civil liberties lawsuit before you could say 'cause célèbre', but not quite as bad. Canterlot is a majority unicorn city. More to the point, it's a city inhabited by unicorn aristocrats. Naturally, when building a school they focused their efforts on ensuring that the needs of their own offspring would be met. Celestia's patronage and… Jedi-like recruiting habits were a much later addition.

The door glows with her golden aura for a moment, then swings open.

"Come in, my little pon-."

I stick my head through the door, and Celestia sees one of a short list of ponies she can't call 'little'.

Or 'hers' really, unless she wants to get into another fight with Luna.

"Grayven. I'm afraid that Luna is asleep."

Since she's not kicking me right out, I walk the rest of the way in and sit down opposite her. She watches me with mild concern, and her horn glows as the door clicks shut behind me. Yes, mild concern… I don't usually talk to her unless she's messed something up with Sunset, but the two of them have actually been doing better lately. Not because any of the underlying issues have been dealt with, but because Celestia has actually listened when I advise her on what not to do.

I'm still not convinced that she can internalise any of it, but perhaps they can get to the point where it's something they find it amusing to argue over, rather than a massive flashpoint in their relationship.

"That's not what I'm here for. And-." I spot the slight tinge of concern. "It's not Sunset either. Well, not… Directly, though I suppose it affects her. Or.. affected her. I was… Looking over Equestria's crime statistics, and I… I couldn't help but notice that the alumni of this school are… Um. Overrepresented."

I take a pile of police pony files out of subspace and put them on her desk one by one.

"Fireburst. Arson. Skitterweevil. 'Plague Calling'?" I shrug. "Gallowbraid. Destruction of property. Keening. Assault and Wounding. Sunset Shimmer, assault and unauthorised use of arcana. Sunburst. Indecent Exposure. Mortar Pointing. Building… Theft?"

Celestia nods. "That's why I've tried to take an active role in running the school. Ponies are driven to realise their special talents, and with unicorns whose talents relate to magic, that can produce some fairly extreme behaviours."

"Right, but… For example, you've never sent a sun nova, have you?"

Celestia blinks. "I don't know what that is."

"Ah. No, I suppose you wouldn't. Okay, here." I take a book on stellar dynamics out of subspace. Something I assembled myself, taking parts from more reader-friendly texts as well as mathematical explanations from university level books and translating the whole thing into Equestrian. "I was going to give this to you at some point. Consider it a down payment on Luna's bride price."

"Thank you." She levitates it to her side of her desk with a slight frown. "I hadn't realised that your relationship had reached that point." She considers for a moment, then manages a smile. "Though I'm happy for both of you, there isn't any requirement in Equestria to 'buy' a bride."

"No, I realise that. Page one hundred and forty seven." She flips through the pages with her magic. "And we're not. I was just… Trying to be witty."

"When Luna and I were younger, the dowry would be paid to the head of a herd. If you want to marry Luna, you should probably avoid implying that I'm above her."

"So, what, Starswirl? Luna's an old pony. I want to do things-"

Celestia's eyes widen and she leans away from the page as if it might leap up and bite her!

"-properly. Yes. Nova."

"This is… The end of the sun's life? It… Expands until it consumes all of the worlds in its orbit?"

"Depends on the size. Of course, your system might just continue on indefinitely because magic says so. But the point I was making is that you don't do that just because your special talent is suns."

Celestia takes a moment to steady her nerves after being confronted with what is for a pony an extremely unpleasant idea. Pony science isn't advanced enough to have even guessed any of that.

"My special talent is a little broader than that. While it's true that I control the sun, my talent relates to ensuring that my little ponies can live in a world which is stable and predictable. Stabilising the sun's movement around the world was simply the most obvious sign of that."

I nod. "Fair enough. But to return to the point I was trying to make, it's… It's not just Sunset. A great many ponies who come here don't seem to take the whole 'friendship' thing on board. So even if we take it as read that friendship-orientated education is a good idea, the current way it's being delivered isn't working."

Celestia nods, closing the book and pushing it aside. And then putting a stack of work to be marked on top of it.

"What do you suggest?"

"Well, it… Ah. Seems to me that… Ponies can be a fairly highly strung species, and… Getting their cutie mark is a major life transition. My understanding is that it's normal for ponies with thaumaturgy-related marks to apply or have applications submitted for them almost immediately after getting them."

"That's right."

"So… You've got ponies who are in the top percentage of magical ability… For unicorns, who are the most varied of the tribes in the way their magic manifests… And the moment they go through this life-defining experience you remove them from their family and other social support networks and move them to live in a boarding school in the capital city with the goddess-princess of the entire nation watching them. Bit of a… High stress environment."

"I-. Don't…

"I don't know exactly how it works for ponies, but that sounds like the sort of things that would make humans… Act out."

"I see." She adopts a thoughtful pose. "What do you suggest?"

"Sunset's working on a fixed point to fixed point teleportation system. For the younger students… Just stick one in their homes and let them teleport to school each day. You could keep the boarding facilities for the older students, but I'm… I think letting them transition gradually will reduce the stress and the mark-fixation."

Celestia sighs very quietly.

"Do you think that would have helped Sunset?"

"'Helped'? Honestly, I think you did the best you could for her." Celestia looks at me, pleasantly surprised. "If you hadn't pushed her away like that, she'd never have gotten as far as she has. 'Show Celestia how wrong she was' was a big part of her motivation." Her smile vanishes. "Though I appreciate that probably wasn't what you were aiming for."

"… No. I will speak about the removal of the option for boarding with the school staff. When will Sunset be able to arrange a demonstration?"

"Ah, a couple of days. She's having trouble adjusting to teaching completely magically illiterate students, so lesson planning is taking more of her time than she originally thought it would."

Celestia perks up a little at that.

"Do you think she would object to my help?"

"No? Probably not? Why do you ask?"

"After the defeat of Discord, Luna and I had the greatest knowledge of magic of any save for Starswirl himself. We taught the basics of magic to many students all across ponydom. I'm sure that I can manage a class of humans."

…

Should be interesting, anyway.

Idkusername · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
I you want to marry Luna, you should probably avoid implying that I'm above her."

I you want -> If you want

Akshka · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
I'm sure that I can manage a class of humans."

oh Celestia never taunt Murphy

Lazurman · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
"After the defeat of Discord, Luna and I had the greatest knowledge of magic of any save for Starswirl himself. We taught the basics of magic to many students all across ponydom. I'm sure that I can manage a class of humans."

…

Should be interesting, anyway.

I don't even watch MLP, and that got a massive kek outta me. Bravo.

Mr Zoat · Dec 9, 2021

Baladar said:
Mr Zoat I don't recall the chapter, but I seem to recall that when Paul was bonded to Snek Lady, he redesigned Warhammer to fix it.

I found out that one person has been doing that single handedly to make a "9th Edition" of Fantasy. Thought you might be amused:

http://warhammerarmiesproject.blogspot.com/

No, he redesigned Warhammer 40,000. Though I was aware that there was at least one 9th Edition project.

Idkusername said:
I you want -> If you want

Thank you, corrected.

Vaermina · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Sunburst. Indecent Exposure.

What!? How does that even work! Almost all Pony's are naked at all times!

Darko · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
"I hadn't realised that your relationship have reached that point

'has reached'

Mr Zoat said:
And we're not. I was just… Trying to be witty."

Yeah, don't do that, you just tend to sound like a douche.

Mr Zoat said:
even if we take it as read that friendship-orientated education is a good idea

This feels weird.

Maybe it's a British thing, but I don't think it should be 'it as read'.

Maybe 'it as fact'

Mr Zoat said:
networks and move them to live a boarding school

'live in a'

Darko · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
16th September 2011
13:03 GMT -7

This should be '2012'

Stsword · Dec 9, 2021

Vaermina said:
What!? How does that even work! Almost all Pony's are naked at all times!

Off the top of my head? I suspect it involved shaving off someone's coat of hair.

Handlewithcare · Dec 9, 2021

Sunburst, you naughty stallion you, what did you do?

Chojin Patriarch · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
16th September 2011
13:03 GMT -7

Sigh.

It's got to be done.

Ah, Renegade... Always walking with the weight of the world on your shoulders? Isn't this the whole reason you built a band of sensible, skilled allies who can handle things when they come up? Or is this matter more... Personal?

I knock on the door to Celestia's office in the School for Gifted Unicorns, which isn't actually as tribalist as it sounds. I mean, it's pretty tribalist and anyone trying this in America would find themselves on the receiving end of a civil liberties lawsuit before you could say 'cause célèbre', but not quite as bad. Canterlot is a majority unicorn city. More to the point, it's a city inhabited by unicorn aristocrats. Naturally, when building a school they focused their efforts on ensuring that the needs of their own offspring would be met. Celestia's patronage and… Jedi-like recruiting habits were a much later addition.

To be fair, The Pegasi tend to take care of teaching their own forms of 'magic' themselves in their towns. And The Earth Ponies... Well, most tend to follow their parent's career and thus learn at their withers, or leave home young enough that they can find a new career...

The door glows with her golden aura for a moment, then swings open.

"Come in, my little pon-."

I stick my head through the door, and Celestia sees one of a short list of ponies she can't call 'little'.

Joy of being an alicorn that's practically part draught-horse. I would not be surprised if he couldn't bump her about just with his own weight in this form. Unless she cheats with magic.

Or 'hers' really, unless she wants to get into another fight with Luna.

"Grayven. I'm afraid that Luna is asleep."

I suspect that fight would be messy, in multiple senses of the word. Not only the emotional aspect, but Luna's need to focus on combat skills since her meeting Grayven... A true warrior princess.

Since she's not kicking me right out, I walk the rest of the way in and sit down opposite her. She watching me with mild concern, and her horn glows as the door clicks shut behind me. Yes, mild concern… I don't usually talk to her unless she's messed something up with Sunset, but the two of them have actually been doing better lately. Not because any of the underlying issues have been dealt with, but because Celestia has actually listened when I advise her on what not to do.

How well she acts on what she's told, I suspect, is best left to the imagination. Because the reality is probably a little disappointing.

I'm still not convinced that she can internalise any of it, but perhaps they can get to the point where it's something they find it amusing to argue over, rather than a massive flashpoint in their relationship.

"That's not what I'm here for. And-." I spot the slight tinge of concern. "It's not Sunset either. Well, not… Directly, though I suppose it affects her. Or.. affecteded her. I was… Looking over Equestria's crime statistics, and I… I couldn't help but notice that the alumnus of this school are… Um. Overrepresented."

...I take it Twilight's more neurotic tendencies aren't atypical, merely... better directed?

I take a pile of police pony files out of subspace and put them on her desk one by one.

"Fireburst. Arson. Skitterweevil. 'Plague Calling'?" I shrug. "Gallowbraid. Destruction of property. Keening. Assault and Wounding. Sunset Shimmer, assault and unauthorised use of arcana. Sunburst. Indecent Exposure. Mortar Pointing. Building… Theft?"

...A surprisingly appropriate selection of names for their crimes. Although...

What would indecent exposure consist of for ponies, who generally go nude most of the time? Rearing up to show off his.. rampant Stallionhood?

Celestia nods. "That's why I've tried to take an active role in running the school. Ponies are driven to realise their special talents, and with unicorns whose talents relate to magic, that can produce some fairly extreme behaviours."

"Right, but… For example, you've never sent a sun nova, have you?"

Celestia blinks. "I don't know what that is."

...Oh, dear. I don't think you really want to know, but just to be on the safe side, so you don't trigger one accidentally...

"Ah. No, I suppose you wouldn't. Okay, here." I take a book on stellar dynamics out of subspace. Something I assembled myself, taking parts from more reader-friendly texts as well as mathematical explanations from university level books and translating the whole thing into Equestrian. "I was going to give this to you at some point. Consider it a down payment on Luna's bride price."

"Thank you." She levitates it to her side of her desk with a slight frown. "I hadn't realised that your relationship have reached that point." She considers for a moment, then manages a smile. "Though I'm happy for both of you, there isn't any requirement in Equestria to 'buy' a bride."

And you might say, her price might well be a king's ransom?

...

Too much?

"No, I realise that. Page one hundred and forty seven." She flips through the pages with her magic. "And we're not. I was just… Trying to be witty."

"When Luna and I were younger, the dowry would be paid to the head of a herd. I you want to marry Luna, you should probably avoid implying that I'm above her."

...Yeah, that might undo all the work to build her up in the first place...

"So, what, Starswirl? Luna's an old pony. I want to do things-"

Celestia's eyes widen and she leans away from the page as if it might leap up and bite her!

Ah, you found the section on Novae? Please, if you thought that's bad, don't read on to the parts about Supernovae and Black Holes...

"-properly. Yes. Nova."

"This is… Then end of the sun's life? It… Expands until it consumes all of the worlds in its orbit?"

Well, for a normal star, yes... Equestria is anything but normal, though.

"Depends on the size. Of course, your system might just continue on indefinitely because magic says so. But the point I was making is that you don't do that just because your special talent is suns."

Celestia takes a moment to steady her nerves after being confronted with what is for a pony an extremely unpleasant idea. Pony science isn't advanced enough to have even guessed any of that.

Though I suspect it's slowly marching out of the medieval period. What with the steam engines and all...

"My special talent is a little broader than that. While it's true that I control the sun, my talent relates to ensuring that my little ponies can live in a world which is stable and predictable. Stabilising the sun's movement around the world was simply the most obvious sign of that."

I nod. "Fair enough. But to return to the point I was trying to make is… It's not just Sunset. A great many ponies who come here don't seem to take the whole 'friendship' thing on board. So even if we take it as read that friendship-orientated education is a good idea, the current way it's being delivered isn't working."

Twilight being a case in extremes. Seriously, the filly ditched all her old friends when she got elevated to Celestia's personal student, right? That ain't healthy.

Celestia nods, closing the book and pushing it aside. And then putting a stack of work to be marked on top of it.

"What do you suggest?"

Bet she'll be having some scary dreams tonight...

"Well, it… Ah. Seems to me that… Ponies can be a fairly highly strung species, and… Getting their cutie mark is a major life transition. My understanding is that it's normal for ponies with thaumaturgy-related marks to apply or have applications submitted for them almost immediately after getting them."

"That's right."

"Yer a Wizard, Twilight!" But seriously, that can be a bit awkward. It reminds me of the X-Men, though new students there tend to need to be rescued, what with the aggressive racism of the Marvel universe,

"So… You've got ponies who are in the top percentage of magical ability… For unicorns, who are the most varied of the tribes in the way their magic manifests… And the moment they go through this life-defining experience you remove them from their family and other social support networks and move them to live a boarding school in the capital city with the goddess-princess of the entire nation watching them. Bit of a… High stress environment."

"I-. Don't…

Ouch. Grayven, maybe you could have eased her into the idea a bit slower? I mean, making her realise she's been doing it wrong all these years?

"I don't know exactly how it works for ponies, but that sounds like the sort of things that would make humans… Act out."

"I see." She adopts a thoughtful pose. "What do you suggest?"

On the upside, she certainly gets points for taking the idea seriously. Some would probably have dismissed it out of hand.

"Sunset's working on a fixed point to fixed point teleportation system. For the younger students… Just stick one in their homes and let them teleport to school each day. You could keep the boarding facilities for the older students, but I'm… I think letting them transition gradually will reduce the stress and the mark-fixation."

Celestia sighs very quietly.

...Wow, that is... Upscale that to a nation-wide system and you'd basically re-invent pony society. Just the ability to get supplies to places at risk during disasters... I fancy it's a lot like the Paragon's Dolmen Gate network, eh?

"Do you think that would have helped Sunset?"

"'Helped'? Honestly, I think you did the best you could for her." Celestia looks at me, pleasantly surprised. "If you hadn't pushed her away like that, she'd never have gotten as far as she has. 'Show Celestia how wrong she was' was a big part of her motivation." Her smiles vanishes. "Though I appreciate that probably wasn't what you were aiming for."

Nor the manner in which she did it, I bet.

"… No. I will speak about the removal of the option for boarding with the school staff. When will Sunset be able to arrange a demonstration?"

"Ah, a couple of days. She's having trouble adjusting to teaching completely magically illiterate students, so lesson planning is taking more of her time than she originally thought it would."

Heh, not so easy, is it, Sunset? Bet she's feeling just a little sympathy for her teachers now.

Celestia perks up a little at that.

"Do you think she would object to my help?"

"No? Probably not? Why do you ask?"

Well, for a start, it's a good chance to do some bonding as colleagues. Let Sunset get Celestia out of that box labelled 'stupid big sunbutt jerk'...

"After the defeat of Discord, Luna and I had the greatest knowledge of magic of any save for Starswirl himself. We taught the basics of magic to many students all across ponydom. I'm sure that I can manage a class of humans."

…

Should be interesting, anyway.

Be sure to set some time aside for them to get used to your... Presence. Between the 'Holy shit, it's a horse!' and 'Oh my god, she's so beautiful!' extremes, there's bound to be a whole spectrum of reactions...

Ah, Grayven. Keep shaking up Pony society. I'm sure Discord is sitting a very large, very safe distance away watching ponies get confused, bemused and shocked by your actions. And on the upside, he's also giving Celestia chances to improve her relationship with Sunset. Very important when said Alicorn is now more or less a peer, if not a full equal.

Darko · Dec 9, 2021

Chojin Patriarch said:
Be sure to set some time aside for them to get used to your... Presence. Between the 'Holy shit, it's a horse!' and 'Oh my god, she's so beautiful!' extremes, there's bound to be a whole spectrum of reactions...

They might have already gotten used to it if they've seen Luna.

Gazing Eye · Dec 9, 2021

Vaermina said:
What!? How does that even work! Almost all Pony's are naked at all times!

I imagine it would involve unsheathing ones sword due to a pretty mare being spotted

FeepingCreature · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
"I see." She adopts a thoughtful pose. "What do you suggest?"

"Sunset's working on a fixed point to fixed point teleportation system. For the younger students… Just stick one in their homes and let them teleport to school each day. You could keep the boarding facilities for the older students, but I'm… I think letting them transition gradually will reduce the stress and the mark-fixation."

Young Justice, Pony Edition? "Recognized, Twilight Sparkle."

rkyeun · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Celestia's eyes widen and she leans away from the page as if it might leap up and bite her!

Yes, that is in fact ten to the twenty-six horsepower, and ten to the thirty-four Joules. You didn't misread it.

Vaermina said:
What!? How does that even work! Almost all Pony's are naked at all times!

Wearing a saddle in public. Getting horn. Bit and bridle.

Mr Zoat · Dec 9, 2021

Darko said:
'has reached'
'live in a'

Thank you, corrected.

This feels weird.

Maybe it's a British thing, but I don't think it should be 'it as read'.

Maybe 'it as fact'

That's what it means.

Yeah, don't do that, you just tend to sound like a double.

A double what?

Darko said:
This should be '2012'

Thank you, corrected.

rkyeun said:
Yes, that is in fact ten to the twenty-six horsepower, and ten to the thirty-four Joules. You didn't misread it.

Wearing a saddle in public. Getting horn. Bit and bridle.

Darko · Dec 9, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
A double what?

Sorry, I meant to say douche.

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