With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[RichardWhereat]

Nah, here in QQ. Check Zoat's signature.

 

[Ganurath]

I used to read this story back in SV, then I got bored of it.

And as long as I remembered, there shouldn't be any bannable substance here? Or is Zoat decided to get the young justice some sex scene? Just curious why is the story moved here (QQ).

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Zoat got the banhammer on SV while running afoul misgendering. You'll find a more detailed version of events in the SV Rant Thread.

 

[Coda]

but would probably humour a direct request to be referred to differently

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I knew it! Despite all appearances to the contrary, you ARE a generally decent bloke!

(I hope the sarcasm is sufficiently obvious on the first part of that.)

You know what would be appropriate? Making the dial into a watch so it resembles a morpher in appearance and purpose.

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But... but morphers are belt buckles!

 

[Kerfirou]

Zoat got the banhammer on SV while running afoul misgendering. You'll find a more detailed version of events in the SV Rant Thread.

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Finished reading SV rant

So he got banned for saying a trans woman is a woman and not a man? In his story? Huh, no wonder SV banned him for that, that thing is SV red button.

Poor, Mr Zoat , but don't worry, we don't kink shame people here.

 

[iamnuff]

That actually happened in the Gotham Girls web animation. Every man and one woman vanished, so they initially assumed that the woman had been kidnapped. No, just turns out that the spell didn't think the sex change counted.

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I was talking more about how in that universe the answer to 'are you a man or a woman' could simply be "Yes"
Or if the person you're asking is sufficiently eldritch, then "no"

 

[rthomas2]

Go right ahead. I mean, if you just know it then it would be boring to ruin everyone else's fun, but I don't really care.

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...I'm assuming someone's already guessed McCandless?

 

[LazySloth13]

You know what's ironic is that Paul has been changed into a snake, a demon, a robot/cyborg, and will undergo possibly even more physical and partial mental changes but no one ever made a big deal about it but a one off character has a forced gender change and everyone start rioting over pronouns. Not to mention all of the shit Grayven experienced though it gets less sympathetic since all his actions tend to involve him being a major dick at times.

Plus the character is a man who was forcibly changed into a woman, thinks himself as a man, and desire to return to his original self as a man. Way easier than the Legion recruit who sex was listed as Unknown despite looking like a humanoid female with breasts and used female pronouns or didn't mind either male or female pronouns.

If either Paul or Grayven were to become female but still think themselves as male and use male pronouns would that make them transgender or not? Could they get away with using the female restroom or physically strike another female character without being labeled as woman beater or not?

 

[iamnuff]

Wait, so you can't dial the exact hero you want? I thought you could...or am I thinking the original dial which had the full alphabet on it?

I'm pretty sure Robbie Reed became Plastic man at least once...though was that random? Can't remember.

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You literally dial H-E-R-O and get a random transformation.
In the comic I read the people he transformed into were from alternate universes, and they lost their powers during the hour of transformation, which led to to repercussions later down the line.

In the Teen Titans Go! comic (the one based off the good cartoon, not the shit one) there was some kid with a H-dial who was borrowing Titan's powers but that version seemed to only be able to borrow the powers of another hero who was already present on the scene, and the user had no idea that they were depowering the person they borrowed from.

They basically got a stern talking to and promised not to use it again.

That said, that's a single run from some comic I don't remember, and one issue of a kiddie comic, so it's hardly a definitive answer about how the dial works.

 

[theVoidWatches]

Finished reading SV rant

So he got banned for saying a trans woman is a woman and not a man? In his story? Huh, no wonder SV banned him for that, that thing is SV red button.

Poor, Mr Zoat , but don't worry, we don't kink shame people here.

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I think you may be unclear on terminology. A trans woman is someone who was born with a male body, but who identifies as a woman. Mr. Hamill would not be a trans woman, because even though he's been forcibly transformed into a female body, he identifies as a man and would like to change back. He could be considered a trans man, however.

And my understanding of the situation is that Zoat wasn't banned for having his SI use female pronouns for Mr. Hamill, but rather because he commented that he, too, would do so in real life, and that he used the transphobic attack helicopter meme to make that point.

 

[Ardy]

I can't listen to mods and will get banned.

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For the love of fucking Zeus stop talking about this! Current politics is not allowed on this forum!

 

[RichardWhereat]

Could you guys have a read of the moderation posts, and then stop talking about it?

 

[Maxx Crowley]

You literally dial H-E-R-O and get a random transformation.
In the comic I read the people he transformed into were from alternate universes, and they lost their powers during the hour of transformation, which led to to repercussions later down the line.

In the Teen Titans Go! comic (the one based off the good cartoon, not the shit one) there was some kid with a H-dial who was borrowing Titan's powers but that version seemed to only be able to borrow the powers of another hero who was already present on the scene, and the user had no idea that they were depowering the person they borrowed from.

They basically got a stern talking to and promised not to use it again.

That said, that's a single run from some comic I don't remember, and one issue of a kiddie comic, so it's hardly a definitive answer about how the dial works.

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I must be mistaken. Because I could have sworn there was an H-dial with a full alphabet that you could actually dial whatever you wanted on it. So you could literally Dial S-U-P-E-R-M-A-N.

 

[rkyeun]

Now that we're on QQ, fucking Zeus is an actual possibility for this fic. The SI even knows where to find him. And Zeus is... not the kind of man to turn down a fuck. Though he'd probably make you catch instead of pitch. Ancient Greece, am I right?

 

[iamnuff]

And my understanding of the situation is that Zoat wasn't banned for having his SI use female pronouns for Mr. Hamill, but rather because he commented that he, too, would do so in real life, and that he used the transphobic attack helicopter meme to make that point.

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That was cleared up earlier in this thread, where Zoat mentioned that while the helicoper meme is often meant to impliy that you see someone's trans-identity as as invalid as someone else's attempt to become a helicoper, Mr Zoat supports actual transhumanism to the point where he'd be totally on-board with people actually becoming helicopters via brain-uploading or cybernetics.

Is it still a transphobic slur when you're being totally sincere about supporting someone's right to plug their shit into a computer and literally become one with a goddamn flying machine?
I'd say no.

Honestly, I just want to live in the fucking future already. How come we never see shit like that in fictional universes unless it's some sort of horrific cyberpunk dystopia?
Though I supposed that with an attack helicopter specifically it does rather run directly into the gun-control argument.
How does the second amendment apply vis-a-vis my bodily right to air-to-ground missiles?

Actually, don't answer that. This discussion is politically charged enough already.


Also, my hot-take on the matter is that it's interesting that people focused on the he-or-she aspect, but nobody seems to be commenting on the fact that both in and out of character Mr Zoat is referring to the character in question uniformly as "Mr Hamill"

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I must be mistaken. Because I could have sworn there was an H-dial with a full alphabet that you could actually dial whatever you wanted on it. So you could literally Dial S-U-P-E-R-M-A-N.

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Maybe there is, but the one I saw has an old rotary phone dial one it, and the number you call translates into H-E-R-O.
There was also another one confiscated by the US government that had a much longer number to dial, which was S-I-D-E-K-I-C-K.

Transforming with the sidekick dial doesn't give you weaker transformations, it just makes you heavily reliant on orders from a superior.
Worked great with the US military, till their guy ran straight into the Hero-Dial-user and got recruited in a heartbeat.
It was... borderline brainwashing, actually.

Edit: Oh, looked it up, the one I read was called Dial-H published in 2012 and was apparently part of the new 52, so Mr Zoat probably isn't using that version.

 

[Queshire]

For the love of fucking Zeus stop talking about this! Current politics is not allowed on this forum!

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It's funny how you expect reader comprehension.

Hrm, I have more to say, but in the interest of moving things along I won't.

Honestly, I just want to live in the fucking future already. How come we never see shit like that in fictional universes unless it's some sort of horrific cyberpunk dystopia?

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There's a rather lovely completed webcomic that does something like that, though not to the level of turning yourself into a spaceship. It is a romance story, though the setting is great.

 

[Kerfirou]

I think you may be unclear on terminology. A trans woman is someone who was born with a male body, but who identifies as a woman. Mr. Hamill would not be a trans woman, because even though he's been forcibly transformed into a female body, he identifies as a man and would like to change back. He could be considered a trans man, however.

And my understanding of the situation is that Zoat wasn't banned for having his SI use female pronouns for Mr. Hamill, but rather because he commented that he, too, would do so in real life, and that he used the transphobic attack helicopter meme to make that point.

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Yeah, I don't care about that. It can identify as submarine as much as I care, as long as the sex scenery is well written, we're good. QQ is amusingly much more liberal than SV, like that.

And please stop the kink shaming/political discussion here.

 

[Maxx Crowley]

Maybe there is, but the one I saw has an old rotary phone dial one it, and the number you call translates into H-E-R-O.
There was also another one confiscated by the US government that had a much longer number to dial, which was S-I-D-E-K-I-C-K.

Transforming with the sidekick dial doesn't give you weaker transformations, it just makes you heavily reliant on orders from a superior.
Worked great with the US military, till their guy ran straight into the Hero-Dial-user and got recruited in a heartbeat.
It was... borderline brainwashing, actually.

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I must be misremembering....or there was an H-dial cameo on a cartoon or something and that was how it worked.

 

[iamnuff]

I must be misremembering....or there was an H-dial cameo on a cartoon or something and that was how it worked.

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There could easily be multiple comics with multiple methods. Not like anything else DC is remotely consistent.
That said, as I just edited into my last post, the one I read was apparently from the New 52, so Mr Zoat probably isn't using that version.

 

[Generic_Generica]

Yeah okay I'm just throwing people out of the thread. Gimme a sec.

 

[Generic_Generica]

I think you may be unclear on terminology. A trans woman is someone who was born with a male body, but who identifies as a woman. Mr. Hamill would not be a trans woman, because even though he's been forcibly transformed into a female body, he identifies as a man and would like to change back. He could be considered a trans man, however.

And my understanding of the situation is that Zoat wasn't banned for having his SI use female pronouns for Mr. Hamill, but rather because he commented that he, too, would do so in real life, and that he used the transphobic attack helicopter meme to make that point.

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Bye, see you in two months.

That was cleared up earlier in this thread, where Zoat mentioned that while the helicoper meme is often meant to impliy that you see someone's trans-identity as as invalid as someone else's attempt to become a helicoper, Mr Zoat supports actual transhumanism to the point where he'd be totally on-board with people actually becoming helicopters via brain-uploading or cybernetics.

Is it still a transphobic slur when you're being totally sincere about supporting someone's right to plug their shit into a computer and literally become one with a goddamn flying machine?
I'd say no.

Honestly, I just want to live in the fucking future already. How come we never see shit like that in fictional universes unless it's some sort of horrific cyberpunk dystopia?
Though I supposed that with an attack helicopter specifically it does rather run directly into the gun-control argument.
How does the second amendment apply vis-a-vis my bodily right to air-to-ground missiles?

Actually, don't answer that. This discussion is politically charged enough already.


Also, my hot-take on the matter is that it's interesting that people focused on the he-or-she aspect, but nobody seems to be commenting on the fact that both in and out of character Mr Zoat is referring to the character in question uniformly as "Mr Hamill"

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Maybe there is, but the one I saw has an old rotary phone dial one it, and the number you call translates into H-E-R-O.
There was also another one confiscated by the US government that had a much longer number to dial, which was S-I-D-E-K-I-C-K.

Transforming with the sidekick dial doesn't give you weaker transformations, it just makes you heavily reliant on orders from a superior.
Worked great with the US military, till their guy ran straight into the Hero-Dial-user and got recruited in a heartbeat.
It was... borderline brainwashing, actually.

Edit: Oh, looked it up, the one I read was called Dial-H published in 2012 and was apparently part of the new 52, so Mr Zoat probably isn't using that version.

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Bye, see you in two months, don't let the door hit you on the way out,

Now stop talking about this shit already. Unless you want me to ban your ass. If that's the case, by all means, continue.

 

[Buggy123]

Oh, wow. The mods are a lot nicer here but you really do not want to cross them, cause they hit you and make sure you stay down if you do. I can respect that.

And yeah, we really should stop talking about this.

 

[Maxx Crowley]

There could easily be multiple comics with multiple methods. Not like anything else DC is remotely consistent.
That said, as I just edited into my last post, the one I read was apparently from the New 52, so Mr Zoat probably isn't using that version.

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So I did a little digging, and I'm not sure where that memory came from. I'm thinking it had to be an animated H-dial expy. Because I distinctly remember the dial user "dialing" the exact hero he wanted (one that he was standing in front of) and transforming into him just to show off a bit.

But looking at the H-dial series....it couldn't have been any of those.

 

[rkyeun]

So I did a little digging, and I'm not sure where that memory came from. I'm thinking it had to be an animated H-dial expy. Because I distinctly remember the dial user "dialing" the exact hero he wanted (one that he was standing in front of) and transforming into him just to show off a bit.

But looking at the H-dial series....it couldn't have been any of those.

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There are apparently other things you can dial besides H-E-R-O, with different effects, but no full list is given, and I don't think there's an example of dialing a specific hero.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/H-Dial
http://www.infiniteearths.org/dialh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dial_H_for_Hero

 

[Bramble Thorn]

Zoat got the banhammer on SV while running afoul misgendering. You'll find a more detailed version of events in the SV Rant Thread.

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For those who don't want to hunt through several pages:

I think the best detailed single post recap is here

And the best TL;DR single post recap is here

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Just be aware the mods have ended further discussion of this matter in that thread barring new information, and in this one as I think as well.

 

[Sceptic]

And yeah, we really should stop talking about this.

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I definitely agree. There comes a point where talking about how awesome the mods are here might start coming across a bit creepy (or a bit brown-nosey), and there's probably another thread where it would be more appropriate anyway.

 

[rkyeun]

snip

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I worry this might be frowned on as rehashing it yet again. I would delete that.

 

[NeoDarklight]

Both don't allow for the "fancy formatting" that the forums allow for.

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AO3 actually does have fancy formatting. You just have to really understand how it freaking works. The only things it lacks are links, although, with some finagling, you can embed some things- mostly just images, though.

 

[Bramble Thorn]

AO3 actually does have fancy formatting. You just have to really understand how it freaking works. The only things it lacks are links, although, with some finagling, you can embed some things- mostly just images, though.

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Can it do Orange quotation marks?
Because I think by 'fancy' he means the specific features Mr Zoat uses in this story. Colored quotes and text to represent various conditions, and the occasional transparent text for Godspeech.

 

[AidanMorgan]

I say something on the wiki where someone used the Hero dial to dial "Horror" instead, and it mentioned this being a BAD THING but neglected to provide details.

Should probably let Hammil stew for a bit because man do I pity the fool who tries to get fresh, and focus on finding the thing.

 

[Sceptic]

The only things it lacks are links, although, with some finagling, you can embed some things- mostly just images, though.

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Yeeeah, that's not going to work for Zoat. The average link count per episode is probably well into the double digits (note - I said episode, not update). I suspect he's far too used to the markup used on xenforo boards to want to change to something that different. Not to mention the risk that he'd give it up as a bad job if he had to move boards again anytime soon.