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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
Clearly not what he meant. Reminds me of a meaningful quote at the start of an episode of Andromeda. Something about the best way to judge the morality of a society being to look at how it treats its weakest: the elderly, children and prisoners. Which is nonsense. The elderly are your parents, people who've done their time maintaining your civilisation. Children are your civilisation's future. Prisoners -assuming that they're guilty of things it's reasonable to call crimes- are a drain on your society, unwilling or unable to work within it and draining its resources by existing. I prefer to fix that by rehabilitation so that they can start contributing, but plenty of civilisations don't have the resources to invest in the chance of that sort of thing working.
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I want to discuss the "which is nonsense" conclusion, BUT I just read this line from your link:
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Dylan learns from Kae-lee that she, and many of the other prisoners, are actually the children of former prisoners – there is no way off the planet for them. They are victims of the philosophy that criminal behavior is "hard-wired", or a genetic defect.
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-and I'm feeling a great deal of revulsion and frustration. This isn't the first time I've read about that setup (children of prisoners growing up with no hope of escape), but it still presses ALL of my buttons. It is even worse than what Zeus did to Diana a few arcs ago.

Right, right- I think you're right that those three groups are not the best indicator of a society's morality. Setting aside caste-based cultures, I think the best indicator for a society's morality involves how people (in a position of seniority, such as a customer and staff situation) treat those that are unable to help or please them. The elderly, children, and prisoners can fall into those categories at times. Generally our society agrees on the merits of helping the elderly (including strangers) with simple tasks like crossing a street, looking out for children who might put themselves at risk (walking out in front of a moving car), and donating goods like socks and books to prisoners. Obviously we disagree about larger endeavors which take up significant amounts of government funds. So those three categories can fit into the larger category I described, and when a society is healthy we have more positive interactions than we do negative (break-in attempts against the elderly, verbal abuse against children, or cruel and unusual punishments against those convicted in a court of law).

If you look at how a society treats those three vulnerable groups, you can find symptoms of larger problems. And those symptoms might be easier to recognize with these groups since the power dynamics are more obvious than workplace discrimination for example. I think that covers it.
 
Duke Long said:
'C-section', according to the NHS.
'in-utero', I think. In vitro would be a test tube baby, and while that is talked about later in the chapter I don't think it was talked about here.
'want'
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Thank you, corrected.
NightmareWarden said:
-and I'm feeling a great deal of revulsion and frustration. This isn't the first time I've read about that setup (children of prisoners growing up with no hope of escape), but it still presses ALL of my buttons. It is even worse than what Zeus did to Diana a few arcs ago.
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[Looks at Australia]
 
Handlewithcare said:
It always feels weird to have Supes in such horrible situations.

He actually IS the boyscout he protrays himself to be, so this always feels oddly cruel. Like telling a kid Santa isn't real.
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Santa is real, he's the neighbour of Supes himself at the North Pole.
 
I cannot recall any timeline where a Kryptonian or Kryptonian hybrid baby heat visioned its mother from inside the womb.

There is a timeline, Armageddon 2001, in which Lois was killed with the baby's first kick. In despair Clark left Earth and it looked like Maxima was going to get to add Kryptonian powers to the royal bloodline like she always wanted.

So it is hypothetically possible for a Kryptonian hybrid baby to have powers while still in the womb, but that was an outlier.
 
I am confused on the issues, since they're usually not an issue. Depending on continuity Clark didn't have powers as a baby and needed to be older for them to come in, and I doubt the baby would have access to sunlight in a womb. Plus even super stong muscles doesn't change the purpose and flexibility of everything.

RichardWhereat said:
Santa is real, he's the neighbour of Supes himself at the North Pole.
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Santa is real and powerful, able to get through and Apokolypse worth of defenses in order to give Darkseid coal every year. Do not mess with Santa. Not even Batman could keep him out.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Santa is real, he's the neighbour of Supes himself at the North Pole.
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I'm reminded of one Teen Titans comic where Kid Flash mentions he still believes in Santa, and, when questioned, notes that every one of Santa's supposed powers is held by some member of the JLA.
 
woweed said:
I'm reminded of one Teen Titans comic where Kid Flash mentions he still believes in Santa, and, when questioned, notes that every one of Santa's supposed powers is held by some member of the JLA.
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Heck, Flash could run fast enough if he had fuel... like a plate of cookies every house
 
I still don't understand how they square that in The Boys. How can he fuck her and impregnate her if she's normal, but then she can't survive the baby.

If Homelander's physiology is that dangerous, or any of the other metapsychos, how would he be able to fuck her in the first place? So they handwave the fuck but not the pregnancy?

How does this Superman fuck Lois then? Do they go to a red sunlight room in the house or what? And if she gets pregnant, wouldn't they be able to monitor the baby to check the development of those weird things that process the yellow sunlight? And if those develop, wouldn't they be present in the placenta as well, since they connect to the baby's blood? Wouldn't that mean that during the pregnancy the uterus would have a level or Kryptonian/Human hybridization as well and essentially assist the mother?

I know that there are reasons why it shouldn't or may not work, but we are talking about fantastical individuals, superheroics and a fantasy/science-fiction setting. If there's an explanation for why powers and magic work, there's an explanation for why sex and fantastical reproduction work as well. I never understand why you can handwave one and not the other, seems like unnecessary drama.
 
Lord Ernest said:
I still don't understand how they square that in The Boys. How can he fuck her and impregnate her if she's normal, but then she can't survive the baby.

If Homelander's physiology is that dangerous, or any of the other metapsychos, how would he be able to fuck her in the first place? So they handwave the fuck but not the pregnancy?
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Well, in the comics it wasn't Homelander. If I had to guess I'd say that he was careful while he raped her and that his cum doesn't have a much higher muzzle velocity than a baseline human's.
 
God, Paul's inner thoughts are bleak here. Completely missing the point of morality being different from different from parity or prudence, you can gauge morality based on the treatment of prisoners precisely because you owe them nothing and they offer you nothing. Sometimes the blue and orange morality of enlightenment really shines through.

The most human alien trying to advise the most alien human. I'm not sure supes could even get into Paul's head to see how he's gone so wrong.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
Well, in the comics it wasn't Homelander. If I had to guess I'd say that he was careful while he raped her and that his cum doesn't have a much higher muzzle velocity than a baseline human's.
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Oh right, it was his even more psychotic clone, right? But it's supposed to be the same powers, no? And how the hell do you rape someone carefully? I'm not sure I even want to know.

And even though I haven't read the comics, I'm fairly certain I've seen an image of Homelander blowing someone's head off with a cumshot. I'm not sure I can link to it in this section of the forum. So again, they handwave some stuff and then don't, just for drama.
 
Lord Ernest said:
And even though I haven't read the comics, I'm fairly certain I've seen an image of Homelander blowing someone's head off with a cumshot. I'm not sure I can link to it in this section of the forum. So again, they handwave some stuff and then don't, just for drama.
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I don't remember that happening. The closest I can call to mind comes from The Pro, where the Superman-expy she's blowing shouts 'move your head' before cumming hard enough to down a passenger aircraft.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"If Jennifer-Lynn Hayden and Todd Rice is anything to go by
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'are anything'

Mr Zoat said:
"Amalak's people are professionals, and a good chunk of them are ex-slaves themselves
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That may not be so good since these guys were slavers, so Amalak's guys may want to hurt them.

RichardWhereat said:
Santa is real, he's the neighbour of Supes himself at the North Pole.
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Darkseid really hates him.
 
Vaermina said:
LePaul needs to stop...

Because all that stuff about pregnancy risks was literally just him talking out his ass to scare Superman given he knows there isn't a single universe where those things were a risk.
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There is actually a Comic Book were that does happen.

Edit: That's also why the retcon of "Superman didn't get his powers until his teen years" used to be a thing, because the idea of the Kents being able to hide a baby with superpowers keep getting more and more ridiculous over time.
 
I wonder if Vran Gozzi will show up again. She quit the OLC, she didn't go back to Amalak, did she go to Colu?
 
Handlewithcare said:
It always feels weird to have Supes in such horrible situations.

He actually IS the boyscout he protrays himself to be, so this always feels oddly cruel. Like telling a kid Santa isn't real.
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It is definitely an uncomfortable feeling. I would argue that the cruelty is actually the people that convinced the kid of a lie which made finding out the truth hurt them. If someone had convinced teenage me that I would inherit a billion dollars the day I turned 30 and I built my life around that, it is not the person that helps me realize it wasn't actually going to happen who was cruel.

In this case any cruelty would be the result of Supes not thinking things through very well, and the people who taught him to look at the world that way. Assuming of course that Santa isn't real. If he is then the whole thing is a moot point.
 
Pinklestia said:
There is actually a Comic Book were that does happen.

Edit: That's also why the retcon of "Superman didn't get his powers until his teen years" used to be a thing, because the idea of the Kents being able to hide a baby with superpowers keep getting more and more ridiculous over time.
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I'm going to have to ask you name the book, because I am super skeptical something like that would be allowed in a mainstream DC release.
 
Vaermina said:
I'm going to have to ask you name the book, because I am super skeptical something like that would be allowed in a mainstream DC release.
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Action comics 711.

Conduit wanted revenge on Clark because he did better at high school sports than him, and Conduit blamed him for "cheating with Kryptonian powers" so it was Clark's "fault" that Kenny's father was never proud of him.

When he confronted Clark about it, Clark's response was "But my powers didn't even develop until my late teens. All I had were will and determination."

So we can believe the big blue boy scout that it was in fact impossible for him to cheat at high school sports because he didn't have powers when he played high school sports, or believe the the maniac who built a robot Smallville complete with a robot Lois to be his girlfriend and a stadium of robot dads so his father would finally be proud of him, which requires believing that not only was Superman a cheater, but such an asshole he'd rather lie than just apologize for cheating when called on it.

Of course, DC being DC, they then have Chris showing up and having powers as a toddler, because consistency is for people who aren't paid in drugs and booze.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Santa is real, he's the neighbour of Supes himself at the North Pole.
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Man, DC comics in the heyday was wild.
Stsword said:
There is a timeline, Armageddon 2001, in which Lois was killed with the baby's first kick. In despair Clark left Earth and it looked like Maxima was going to get to add Kryptonian powers to the royal bloodline like she always wanted.
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I guess blue kryptonite didn't exist in that universe.
Stsword said:
Of course, DC being DC, they then have Chris showing up and having powers as a toddler, because consistency is for people who aren't paid in drugs and booze.
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I blame Smallville. But then, retcons have been a problem at DC long before then.
 
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