Worm and Ward discussion and debate thread

[Lykaia]

So how about them Titan's

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I don't really see the need for them considering that they're essentially just another version of Endbringers.

 

[S.I.N]

I don't really see the need for them considering that they're essentially just another version of Endbringers.

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Honestly if they had turned out to be the origin of the original endbringers I think they would have been a cool idea but they are super endbringers because apparently they are actually stronger. Which really doesn't serve a point.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

super endbringers? What, do they have more density than the entire universe?

 

[S.I.N]

super endbringers? What, do they have more density than the entire universe?

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Fuck if I know as far I can see right now, they are not as hard to damage but contessa says they are stronger. They are bigger that's for damn sure. Ward does alot of weird shit. Like brandish barley being a functional person she doesn't seem to even think like a human and it's weird. The only thing about ward I straight up love is the fact that Victoria shard loves her and wants to help it's just funny to me.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

Taking Contesta at face value is a dumbass move for everyone involved. Obviously she's an asshole with a self destructive asshole shard.

ike brandish barley being a functional person she doesn't seem to even think like a human and it's weird

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Makes a lot of sense considering what happened to her in Worm if you think about it. She lost everything.

d. The only thing about ward I straight up love is the fact that Victoria shard loves her and wants to help it's just funny to me.

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The bitch causes conflict with her mere presence. No wonder the shard loves her.

 

[LexPritch]

So, hello there~

Today I want to discuss heroes in general, meaning of this label and morality I see in this therm. How you can perceive heroes. And how it correlated with Worm-verse. Because, apparently, I found myself at impasse, triyng to write believable characters...

Disclamer: be ready for near philosophy, Carl Jung, Zigmund Freid and all that jazz...

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So, let's start with something simple. All capes/Parahumans are broken... I think we all can agree on this. I mean broken in psychological sense, they all have issues.

I mean, c'mon, Trigger event is pretty much moral trauma.

And what normal people do when they have troubles? They try to resolve them, right? So-o-o, I see all this villians/heroes game like some distraction from this issues. They don't go to specialists, they drown themselves in work. And many people don't go to specialists IRL. They scared, I think. It's really hard to just pour you hearth on someone.

So, here we are. We've moral trauma, issues that eat out our psyche and we have... power.

And there's the game of cops and robbers for people like us...

Let's not distracte on other uses of power (revenge, wealth, etc.) Let's talk about people what at least try to do something good.

If you look from perspective it look hilariously alike to the club of anonymous alcoholics, you know.

But let's get back to track. We have issues, power and there cape scene. I won't spew some platitudes like 'all people are inherently good' this is given.

What would you do? Given meta rules of all superheroes worlds you find a mask, a costume and a new name for yourself. You choose side, establish yourself. Than you go and do something public in this getup.

Why? Because you want to do something good. You want someone to recognise you and pat you back with thanks. I'll not judge, God forbid, even Emiya, my ideal hero did what he did from purely egoistical reasons.

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Idiot have severe Survivor Guilt and felt indebted to people he can't save in Great Fire

And this situation create paradox you want recognition and fame, even deep down. But for some reasons you can't go unmasked. And then you create yourself Persona of your ideal hero.

You choose a label, side. Create a mask, new Persona and go play in heroes because you want to be repaired in some way.

Heroes in general, this label stay on the good side of PR. That all meaning I've in this label. But heroes for me, real heroes this is people that can throw their lives for a cause. It's no difference right or wrong cause. Because world like it is not white or black it's all shades of gray. 'What good for russian, death for Nazi' like we, Russians say.

So all in all? Hero, in my believe, is someone who 'tear' their face off, someone who don't expect the recognition and gratitude and someone who ready to throw their life for the Cause.

And I think I can describe my Hero in this picture.

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Back to Worm I think because of this reasons people so much like new Vicky, Taylor and there lot in Wards.

And apparently I tire myself with all this typing.



Guys and gals, it's purely my own vision of situation and my own beliefs. I write it here because I try to write believable characters in Worm-verse and I would really appreciate discussion and feedback.

Don't be gentle)

 

[2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful]

So, hello there~

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General Kenobi.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

In case people are getting cold feet about "omg necro" even if they have a topic to discuss that's a derail somewhere else I shall post.

Worm government sucks, anti parahuman law was stupid and short sighted and this was all because Wilbow had an anti-authority boner and released several word of gods to justify it after the fact when people started complaining.

You can now discuss that here, prove me wrong or don't I don't care as long as worm derails get discussed in the proper place.

After all, all mankind must be sorted.

 

[Pyeknu]

A quick question about Tattletale's powers: Would Lisa be able to read anything off a humanoid AI (android or gynoid)? If so, would she be able to get the same sort of accuracy that she could get with a normal organic person, would it be frizzed up or would it just be a serious case of "TMI"?

Anyone have any ideas?

 

[Lykaia]

A quick question about Tattletale's powers: Would Lisa be able to read anything off a humanoid AI (android or gynoid)? If so, would she be able to get the same sort of accuracy that she could get with a normal organic person, would it be frizzed up or would it just be a serious case of "TMI"?

Anyone have any ideas?

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Tattletale's powers are pretty much 'As Plot Demands' so it could go either way. You could have her powers getting nothing, them working as normal, or the AI if advanced enough could spoof Tattletale's powers by providing just the information it wants to be read.

 

[Melmar]

A quick question about Tattletale's powers: Would Lisa be able to read anything off a humanoid AI (android or gynoid)? If so, would she be able to get the same sort of accuracy that she could get with a normal organic person, would it be frizzed up or would it just be a serious case of "TMI"?

Anyone have any ideas?

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The X factor there is if the robit has human body language or not. If it's able to shut that off or utilize it to deliberately give her a false impression, then it'll throw her off. She'd still be able to figure out what it's made of and identify structural flaws and such if she tried even if it did that though.

 

[Pyeknu]

Tattletale's powers are pretty much 'As Plot Demands' so it could go either way. You could have her powers getting nothing, them working as normal, or the AI if advanced enough could spoof Tattletale's powers by providing just the information it wants to be read.

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Thanks for making that clear.

The X factor there is if the robit has human body language or not. If it's able to shut that off or utilize it to deliberately give her a false impression, then it'll throw her off. She'd still be able to figure out what it's made of and identify structural flaws and such if she tried even if it did that though.

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Good point. I'll keep it in mind.

 

[Vanbers]

A quick question about Tattletale's powers: Would Lisa be able to read anything off a humanoid AI (android or gynoid)? If so, would she be able to get the same sort of accuracy that she could get with a normal organic person, would it be frizzed up or would it just be a serious case of "TMI"?

Anyone have any ideas?

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A good rule of thumb for her powers, in my mind, is to basically make it so that anything she notices is something that a baseline human could theoretically find out given the information presented. Not likely, but possible at all.

But then I'm certain part of canon contradicts how her power is supposed to work, so fuck it, sometimes she's full-on Pericognitive, fuck you.

In the case of a robot, I'd say she'd either get 'this person is weird, doesn't breathe, doesn't have the right body language for a human, etc.', but not full-on "This is a bodysnatcher sent by X from another dimension by Y", because the former is all possible for someone to theoretically notice. Like, her power is supposed to basically analyze things she looks at and just provide shitloads of information that most people would ignore/miss, and provide conclusions from the data presented. Like, it needs actual data, then analyzes it, then spits out conclusions, from what I recall. 'Sherlock Holmes on crack' and all that.

But, again, she's also the mandated exposition monkey, so depending on fic she can just spit out completely undetectable information out of nowhere with no evidence.

 

[Sydonai]

A good rule of thumb for her powers, in my mind, is to basically make it so that anything she notices is something that a baseline human could theoretically find out given the information presented. Not likely, but possible at all.
But then I'm certain part of canon contradicts how her power is supposed to work, so fuck it, sometimes she's full-on Pericognitive, fuck you.

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I feel like her Shard is unusually hands-on compare to most, and how accurate her guesses are depend on how much digging it is willing to do and how generous it's feeling towards her at the current moment.

 

[Vanbers]

I feel like her Shard is unusually hands-on compare to most, and how accurate her guesses are depend on how much digging it is willing to do and how generous it's feeling towards her at the current moment.

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Probably also pretty tsun- or yandere, as well as passive aggressive

"Oh boy, Host-chan, what are we doing today?! ...Going on a Date? ...With this guy? ...I see. Okay then. No, fine, really. It's fine."

"Oh hey Host-chan, just saying, this guy jerked off and didn't wash his hands. Y'know. Just letting you know. No reason. Oh he also just fantasized about that redhead and thinks she has nicer tits than you. Just thought you should know~."

 

[Pyeknu]

Thanks to everyone for their comments. Here's what I came up with to describe Lisa's situation on meeting an alien android wanting her to be his mistress...

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[Evasion is required. Approaching mercenaries are determined to capture you.]

No fucking SHIT, power!

Sarah Livsey just HATED it whenever her Thinker abilities acted like a smart-arse.

Ducking behind a dumpster set alongside one of the abandoned warehouses located not so far from the old Lord's Port section of the Bay, the escapee from a very toxic home environment in California reached into her jacket to draw out a Glock 17 pistol; even if she had to forge a few things to get the concealed carrying permit for the weapon, it had been worth it, especially given she had yet to choose a permanent residence in this city of capes. While getting into a shootout with a quartet of highly-skilled ex-military personnel armed with Tinker-tech weapons – Who supplied them? What the hell was this about? How could SHE of all people in a city of nearly a half-million draw the attention of whoever was paying these people? – certainly wasn't in Sarah's "to do" list tonight, it wouldn't be so bad; this part of town was Merchant territory and shootouts with rival gangs based elsewhere in the Bay were a commonplace.

[Weapons indicate Toybox origin. Unknown reason for pursuit. Mercenaries aware of Thinker abilities.]

Not NOW, power!

"Don't move!"

Sarah croaked as the muzzle of a sub-machine gun based on the famous Heckler and Koch MP-9 series tapped her left temple near her ear, then she slowly turned to see a grim man's face – most of that masked by night vision goggles and a balaclava – not a half-yard from her own. Hissing as she felt the oncoming thudding in her mind heralding a very inconvenient Thinker headache, the Santa Clara native clicked the safety of her pistol before placing it on the ground nearby, that making her captor raise his free hand to flash a series of gestures. Recognizing that as hand signals to get his friends over to join them – she didn't need to listen to her power to realize that – she moaned. So what the hell's this about? she wryly asked. If you guys wanted a date with me, all you had to do was ask.

The obvious leader of the group – he had what appeared to be a heavily modified M202 grenade launcher attached to his machine gun – came to a hover before her, holding out a cell phone. "The Boss wants to talk to you, Miss Livsey."

Sighing as part of her mind tried to churn over how she could get out of this mess, she took up the device and put it to her ear. "If this is your way of recruiting people to join your gang, whoever you are, you really need to work on your sales pitch."

"Considering that your parents have already alerted the California PRT about various crimes committed with a parahuman power, Miss Livsey, I'm right now your only hope of avoiding a long stay at San Quentin State Prison."

[Male, mid-thirties, parahuman events combat veteran – Ellisburg, maybe? – with high connections in the local PRT. People compromised to serve under him?] Sarah's power announced in her mind. [Fancies himself a James Bond-like villain, has multiple contingency plans to deal with detection, wants to control all underground activities in Brockton Bay.]

Oh, shit! This poser fancies himself to be THAT?! "Well, Number One, you seem to have me. What do you want?" she quipped.

An amused laugh answered her as the mercenaries shook their heads. Damn, he IS a fan of those movies, Sarah tried not to moan.

"Your services and your complete loyalty, Miss Livsey," came the amused response. "As for my aims, they're not as great as I'm sure your Thinker abilities are now indicating to you, but you have a good idea what might happen if you refuse."

That made her slump. She HATED no-win situations.

"Excuse me, but the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution clearly states NO forced involuntary servitude."

Sarah gasped as she looked up just as the mercenaries tensed...

...before a slender hand snared one by the mouth, then sharply twisted the head hard left, snapping the spine in an instant. The poor fool let out a pained croak as all feeling below his neck faded to nothingness while the opposite hand to the one used to effectively kill him snared his sub-machine gun, sending a quick fusillade into the leader's hip...where his body armour did NOT protect him. He shrieked in agony as his aorta and inferior vena cava were vented by the well-aimed bullets to guarantee he'd bleed out from the inside while a foot covered in stylish type of ladies' walking boot kicked the Glock into Sarah's immediate reach. The Thinker, clearly surprised but quite grateful for this rescue, grabbed her weapon, clicked off the safety, then rolled to send two shots into a third mercenary's throat, wrecking that and the lower part of his face along the way. The fourth mercenary, the one farthest from Sarah's rescuer, tried to hip-fire his weapon only to get his dead friend's weapon levelled at his face to turn his mouth into a very messy sea of gore. As he went down with a blood-filled gurgle, the person who had come to the Thinker's rescue swept her acquired weapon one-handed on the screaming leader.

A quick three-round burst saw him permanently silenced, his whole head nearly exploding from well-aimed shots.

Silence.

More silence.

Still more silence.

Then...

Sarah had by then rolled into a kneeling position, back to the dumpster to ensure she had solid steel protecting her blind spot. As a croaked final breath of air escaped the first mercenary to be killed, she turned to gaze on the newcomer.

[Not a normal person. Not a parahuman. Physically resembles an androgynous Korean teenager, 16-18 years old. Dresses to publicly stress gender fluidity issues, expert crossdresser. Quite physically attractive, combat serves as extra sexual stimulus. Barely breathing, almost programmed to simulate same. Body language indicates computer-speed reflexes.]

Oh, fucking SHIT! I'm dealing with a fucking Terminator!

The raven-haired crossdresser with the grey eyes under reading glasses – [Has no need to wear same, possesses mechanically-enhanced vision, wears same as mark of respect to someone very close to him] her power provided – blinked before he placed the sub-machine gun he had used to kill the mercenaries on the fallen leader's chest before reaching into her designer black leather jacket to pull out what looked like a Glock...though this weapon had a strange metallic green sheen to the hull and had a moulded sensor-sight system fitted under the barrel ahead of the trigger assembly. [Weapon is not Terran in origin or manufacture.]

Oh, crap! A close encounter of the third kind along with a killer robot?! This is NOT my night!

The rescuer reached down to pick up the dropped cell-phone, uncaring that Sarah had got her pistol back. Placing it to his ear, he announced in a cold, metered voice possessing a northeastern New Jersey accent, "She's not interested, Mister Coil."

"Wait! Who are you?!" the Thinker barely heard echo from the phone speakers.

In response, Sarah's rescuer keyed what appeared to be his weapon's safety, causing a line of LEDs on the weapon's barrel to light up red before turning a tan shade...while a sound similar to an activating proton pack straight out of Ghostbusters to echo over the scene. That made whoever had sent the mercenaries after the Thinker shriek. "You're Shōzoki! Stupid robot! You'll be reported...!"

[Coil. Minor villain, hasn't made much noise in Brockton Bay.] Sarah's power reported. [Doesn't wish to make noise to appear weak and not threatening in eyes of rivals in Empire Eighty-Eight and the Merchants. Knows about Shōzoki; name is demonym for rescuer's race of origin even if he is Terran in looks. Recognizes the weapon he's using...to eliminate evidence.]

The crossdressing android tossed the phone onto the dead mercenary leader's stomach before levelling his pistol on target. A shrieking noise resembling the sound blasters in Star Wars make on discharging assaulted Sarah's ears while a bolt of energy ripped down to cloak the fallen leader's body in dark reddish energy before said corpse instantly evaporated into nothingness! As the Thinker's jaw nearly dropped to the ground in disbelief at something that seemed to leap right out of classic Star Trek, he turned and fired three more shots to erase the other mercenaries' bodies from existence itself before calmly engaging his weapon's safety – such echoed by the opposite effect of its activation surge – then slipped same into the hidden holster on the inside flap of his jacket.

Watching him, Sarah's power went into overdrive. [Human emulation programming extremely advanced, beyond anything introduced in science fiction. Rumours about advanced androids made by conspiracy theorists watching the Specialized Warfare Regiment of Canada and other metahuman defence forces worldwide proven. Affiliated with the Joint Specialized Warfare Command, not afraid of Coil's threat. Coil cannot report mercenaries' deaths to Brockton Bay Police or Massachusetts PRT without arousing suspicion; rescuer knows same. Cares not to kill; sees himself as lover, not fighter. Looking for mistress.]

Wait! What was that, power...?

[Rescuer looking for mistress. Built as sexual companion. Templated off real person, template killed when replica created, replica feels great guilt over that even if not responsible. Afraid of who was responsible, has no power to deal with same, wishes to avoid agents sent by said being at all costs to ensure complete sanctity of his own mind. Sees Sarah Livsey as potential mistress.]

Hah...whaah...? What the fuck IS this?!

"Hey! You okay, Sarah?"

The Thinker gasped before she found herself staring into a pair of VERY deep grey eyes.

[Rescuer thinks Sarah Livsey most beautiful person he has met since activation. Desires Sarah Livsey as mistress, would gladly sacrifice existence for mistress' safety. Programmed in multiple sexual techniques, thinks Kāma-sūtra greatest written work on Earth, will gladly make Sarah Livsey's first sexual experience something she will never forget. Wants to have friend, too.]

"Ah...!" Sarah tried to begin.

The newcomer blinked before he chuckled. "And I thought MY housekeeping computer could be nagging at times," he quipped before offering his hand. "Regina Paek...or Paek Hanbyŏl if you want my native Korean name. Here, let's get to my apartment in town. It's proofed against anything Coil could use to try to track you down and I can help you better understand who I am."

The woman soon to be called Lisa Wilbourn absently nodded as she took his hand, surprised by the gentleness of his grip as he helped her stand before they walked towards the nearest bus stop, hand-in-hand...

 

[SlickRCBD]

I'm taking this here to avoid further derailing the "Reawakening" thread.

Hard to pull off in our reality, sure. But like I pointed out, a sufficient change in the status quo can have the constitution reinterpreted or even ignored, and Parahumans are an ongoing version of that. And that doesn't even require a Path for it to happen. That laws, even the constitution, might change in 30 years due to parahumans, or Endbringers, or other factors, is frankly not that big of a stretch.

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I can't imagine that removing the due process or fair trial clauses would fly, it is too easily abused which is the reason those parts were put in. The Constitution would not have been adapted if they hadn't agreed to pass the Bill of Rights.

That said, the discriminatory laws like NERPA5 are very believable when you look at the history of blacks and "Jim Crow Laws" in the United States. The Civil Rights Act was just an Act of Congress, not a Constitutional Amendment. The Reconstruction era Amendments didn't protect blacks against Jim Crow laws and other unfair laws, regardless of their intentions and the Equal Rights Amendment failed to pass.

AMENDMENT XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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[doyouevencare]

So I saw someone saying "Taylor isn't an unreliable narrator" again, so I'll just put my ideas out here to see who agrees.

I think Taylor is an unreliable narrator, which I will define as A narrator who is wrong, or lies about aspects of the story.

By this definition, there are multiple examples which are unarguably unreliable, such as when Jack Slash and Bonesaw pretend to be Grue and Tattletale, or when Alexandria tries to get Taylor to confess by faking the death of the Undersiders.

But that's only Taylor being wrong about what she perceives. Lying to the readers is entirely different, and the best example I can point to is when the second example I mentioned, but for different reasons than you might think.

Taylor is at the PRT, ostensibly to "Cut Ties" with the Undersiders, by confessing her crimes.

Except... She doesn't.

She tries to get the PRT to bow to her demands, by threating to cause hell if she doesn't get her way. Alexandria takes exception to this, and fakes herself killing the Undersiders to bully Taylor into bowing unconditionally to the PRT's demands. The problem is this.

Why the hell doesn't Taylor just confess?

She has no good reason to not just confess, particularly once she thinks the Undersiders, her friends, are dying because of her actions. She's here, supposedly, to cut ties with them. If she really wants to do that, them being dead is a very good way of doing that. If she doesn't want to cut ties that way, she just confesses and stops the deaths of the other Undersiders.

But she doesn't. She absolutely refuses to do anything that would separate herself from them, until she breaks and kills Tagg and Alexandria.

Taylor never gives a good reason for this. So I think the only explanation is that, unconsciously she doesn't want to leave her friends.

That's why she's unreliable. She lies to the readers, by lying to herself, about major parts of the story.

 

[SlickRCBD]

So I saw someone saying "Taylor isn't an unreliable narrator" She tries to get the PRT to bow to her demands, by threating to cause hell if she doesn't get her way. Alexandria takes exception to this, and fakes herself killing the Undersiders to bully Taylor into bowing unconditionally to the PRT's demands. The problem is this.

Why the hell doesn't Taylor just confess?

She has no good reason to not just confess, particularly once she thinks the Undersiders, her friends, are dying because of her actions. She's here, supposedly, to cut ties with them. If she really wants to do that, them being dead is a very good way of doing that. If she doesn't want to cut ties that way, she just confesses and stops the deaths of the other Undersiders.

But she doesn't. She absolutely refuses to do anything that would separate herself from them, until she breaks and kills Tagg and Alexandria.

That's why she's unreliable. She lies to the readers, by lying to herself, about major parts of the story.

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I'd like to see one where Taylor does confess and make an unfavorable agreement with the PRT, only to then subpoena the recording of Alexandria pretending to kill her friends while she sues them and says the contract and confession were made under duress.
The closest I've seen was "A Matter for Lawyers" by The Ferryman.

 

[Enohthree]

I'd like to see one where Taylor does confess and make an unfavorable agreement with the PRT, only to then subpoena the recording of Alexandria pretending to kill her friends while she sues them and says the contract and confession were made under duress.
The closest I've seen was "A Matter for Lawyers" by The Ferryman.

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The lawyer looked the teenage terrorist warlord dead in the eyes and asked "Skitter, please explain to me why on earth you'd ever want to willingly walk into a courtroom and invoke the legal system?"

That fic sure is something, starting with a demand that the PRT pressure Congress to repeal a law as part of negotiations for a single person turning themselves in and ending with a bunch of assault charges thrown out of consideration because the author assumes you can claim you were saving a life and then bam! They don't even charge you. Or you can say "I was undercover while committing these other crimes" and that's something people will buy when you're not part of law enforcement.

 

[alethiophile]

She has no good reason to not just confess, particularly once she thinks the Undersiders, her friends, are dying because of her actions. She's here, supposedly, to cut ties with them. If she really wants to do that, them being dead is a very good way of doing that. If she doesn't want to cut ties that way, she just confesses and stops the deaths of the other Undersiders.

But she doesn't. She absolutely refuses to do anything that would separate herself from them, until she breaks and kills Tagg and Alexandria.

Taylor never gives a good reason for this. So I think the only explanation is that, unconsciously she doesn't want to leave her friends.

That's why she's unreliable. She lies to the readers, by lying to herself, about major parts of the story.

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While Taylor definitely does that, that's not really what is meant by "unreliable narrator" in the usual discussions.

You might just as well say the bit in the early story where she's constantly repeating to herself that she's totally going to leave the Undersiders and go tell Armsmaster everything she learned makes her an unreliable narrator. Taylor's thoughts to herself being wrong don't actually mislead the audience about what is happening in the story.

 

[doyouevencare]

While Taylor definitely does that, that's not really what is meant by "unreliable narrator" in the usual discussions.

You might just as well say the bit in the early story where she's constantly repeating to herself that she's totally going to leave the Undersiders and go tell Armsmaster everything she learned makes her an unreliable narrator. Taylor's thoughts to herself being wrong don't actually mislead the audience about what is happening in the story.

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I just got tired of people saying that Taylor's thoughts are always truthful and accurate. If that doesn't match up with the definition of Unreliable Narrator, I apologize.

Although, she is an unreliable narrator in parts of the story by your definition, see Khepri.

 

[SlickRCBD]

The lawyer looked the teenage terrorist warlord dead in the eyes and asked "Skitter, please explain to me why on earth you'd ever want to willingly walk into a courtroom and invoke the legal system?"

That fic sure is something, starting with a demand that the PRT pressure Congress to repeal a law as part of negotiations for a single person turning themselves in and ending with a bunch of assault charges thrown out of consideration because the author assumes you can claim you were saving a life and then bam! They don't even charge you. Or you can say "I was undercover while committing these other crimes" and that's something people will buy when you're not part of law enforcement.

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I should point out that lots of convictions have been overturned because of coerced confessions. What Alexandria and Tagg did had they succeeded was the definition signed under duress.

 

[Enohthree]

I should point out that lots of convictions have been overturned because of coerced confessions. What Alexandria and Tagg did had they succeeded was the definition signed under duress.

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You still kind of go to jail in the meantime, during which they could easily hit her with one of the many many laws she broke that she didn't confess to specifically for. Or, much more likely, they declare is mistrial like you said but then do what you do with a mistrial when that usually happens and just redo the trial with the confessions struck from the record, which is still kind of a slam dunk case for most of the charges given the deeply specific nature of her powers.

 

[T-bone]

Would anyone help me make a Worm reacts to Death Battle story at all or even start one. I am busy working on my story threads and every site has no Worm reacts to Death Battle stories. My first request if you do is that you start it post-Locker Trigger but pre-Lung Fight. My second is that you let them see there future in Worm and Ward after they see enough episodes to learn how they view heroics and villainy are corrupt and should put the people first not the law or glory.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

Would anyone help me make a Worm reacts to Death Battle story at all or even start one. I am busy working on my story threads and every site has no Worm reacts to Death Battle stories. My first request if you do is that you start it post-Locker Trigger but pre-Lung Fight. My second is that you let them see there future in Worm and Ward after they see enough episodes to learn how they view heroics and villainy are corrupt and should put the people first not the law or glory.

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You would have better luck asking here.

https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/safe-for-work-worm-ideas-thread.466/

It's the story ideas thread for worm.

This thread is generally for debating canon.

 

[alethiophile]

I believe I actually read it in the WoG repository somewhere on this page, which sucks to navigate because of all the (frankly unnecessary) spoiler tags hiding text combined with unsearchable discord screenshots. Thankfully, Ridtom, dedicated WoG quoter, has the salient parts of it here.

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I'm guessing that people got a little... upset at the
>Amy was brainwashed/conditioned into being gay
angle as opposed to the
>well she was actually always gay
the community wanted, it got divisive as internet arguments tend to, and he got called some mean things?

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Reading the links ramuthra posted, Wildbow got pissed that people were defending Amy raping Vicky and proceeded to make her character irredeemable on every other level too; that was the edit. The debunking I think is his statement "the rest of her family and friends were being manipulated by Vicky's aura too, but only Amy went yandere on her" implying it was Amy who was at fault... but also not exactly denying she did it because of the aura.

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Since it came up... bah.

I don't know when exactly Wildbow decided he wanted Amy to be the Irredeemable Incarnation Of All That Is Evil, but consequent to that he also apparently needed to retcon all the stuff in the prior storyline that made her look sympathetic at all. Thus the "surprise, the Vicky flesh garden incident was actually Amy deliberately raping her for three days". And thus also "no, Amy didn't take any long-term effects at all from growing up being intermittently bombarded with a mind control power from the room next door!"

He got angry at the fanbase for not intuiting his interpretation of a character (that he completely failed to actually write into the story), so now that character gets to take a hard left turn off into cartoonish evil, and also get all these little passive-aggressive digs where he intentionally shoots down the most obvious interpretation of the prior work.

 

[Vanbers]

Since it came up... bah.

I don't know when exactly Wildbow decided he wanted Amy to be the Irredeemable Incarnation Of All That Is Evil, but consequent to that he also apparently needed to retcon all the stuff in the prior storyline that made her look sympathetic at all. Thus the "surprise, the Vicky flesh garden incident was actually Amy deliberately raping her for three days". And thus also "no, Amy didn't take any long-term effects at all from growing up being intermittently bombarded with a mind control power from the room next door!"

He got angry at the fanbase for not intuiting his interpretation of a character (that he completely failed to actually write into the story), so now that character gets to take a hard left turn off into cartoonish evil, and also get all these little passive-aggressive digs where he intentionally shoots down the most obvious interpretation of the prior work.

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From what I recall, Amy is outright regressive in Ward. As in, like, she outright went back and reversed actual character development that happened to her after going to the Birdcage.

But my memory of Ward is... nearly nonexistent, so I may be wrong. /shrug.

Definitely sure that Wildbow's salt resulted in him making Amy as bad as possible, though. As well as other insane plot points, like Carol having cheated on Mark and Vicky being her uncle's daughter. Which Amy, being literally the most powerful biokinetic on the planet, would be slightly likely to notice. But it's so blatantly unintended and just added to the sequel for Wildbow reasons that it retroactively makes a plothole there, since Carol having definitively and objectively NOT been a moral paragon would have at least on some level affected Amy.

As for Aura Theory, people outright denying that the Aura had ANY EFFECT, whatsoever, will never not grind my gears. It's basic psychology, if you constantly feel positive emotions when exposed to X, then shock and surprise, psychological fuckery happens and you think at least slightly more positively about X than you would otherwise. Doubly so when X is literally the only part of your life that isn't being neglected, being emotionally abused and neglected, or overworking yourself to burnout or death as a result of the said emotional abuse and neglect.

Like Amy does some fucked stuff in Worm, but Wildbow went a bit too far in the course correcting in trying to make her utterly irredeemable.

Definitely interesting to have seen in a meta sense, though. Where a creator so clearly and blatantly and clearly hates a character that the audience didn't, and was just... utterly shocked and completely flabbergasted that they didn't absolutely hate them to the point of making absolutely sure to make them as bad as possible in the sequel. That level of author-audience disconnect isn't something you see every day.

 

[DraconianGreed]

So uh does Cauldron gain anything from branding their victims...?

 

[Lykaia]

So uh does Cauldron gain anything from branding their victims...?

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I guess to keep track of them? It does seem pretty pointless though and possibly counterproductive to their whole secrecy thing. Same goes for them selling powers to be honest.