Margin of Error

[Arimai]

Now where could Marcus draw inspiration for a powerful AI built for war??

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Skynet, Cyberpunk, Robocop, Halo, Dune, 40k, the scifi works of the 1890s to 1970s. There is a massive relay in the void where they sleep. I don't doubt they could use that to sling them to a backup receiver. Or to multiple different one and it took them time to rally

 

[eien]

Skynet, Cyberpunk, Robocop, Halo, Dune, 40k, the scifi works of the 1890s to 1970s. There is a massive relay in the void where they sleep. I don't doubt they could use that to sling them to a backup receiver. Or to multiple different one and it took them time to rally

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There is a Relay in the galactic void, but it solely goes to the citadel directly (no idea why seems like stupid design planning).

According to the lore the Alpha Relay (on the galactic rim) has Admin authority and can access all other relays in the network like the citadel supposedly can. The whole purpose of blowing up the Alpha relay was to delay the Reapers longer but, like USSE said, because it was believed that the Ancient Lovecraftian Robots had equal Speed Stats to everyone else and it would add years to the delaying tactic. Unfortunately that got them at most six extra months of prep time.

 

[Arimai]

There is a Relay in the galactic void, but it solely goes to the citadel directly (no idea why seems like stupid design planning).

According to the lore the Alpha Relay (on the galactic rim) has Admin authority and can access all other relays in the network like the citadel supposedly can. The whole purpose of blowing up the Alpha relay was to delay the Reapers longer but, like USSE said, because it was believed that the Ancient Lovecraftian Robots had equal Speed Stats to everyone else and it would add years to the delaying tactic. Unfortunately that got them at most six extra months of prep time.

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Pinnacle of evolution and perfection my arse. For the supposed perfect being, the Reapers are dunces at anything approaching strategy, tactics and forethought beyond drone swarm tactics. Berzerker, Vong, Tyrannid and Zerg are better at swarming than they are. Berzerker rogue AI, or the Foundation or Culture equivalents are inadvertently much better at everything in the Reapers' raison d'etre

 

[USSExplorer]

Pinnacle of evolution and perfection my arse. For the supposed perfect being, the Reapers are dunces at anything approaching strategy, tactics and forethought beyond drone swarm tactics. Berzerker, Vong, Tyrannid and Zerg are better at swarming than they are. Berzerker rogue AI, or the Foundation or Culture equivalents are inadvertently much better at everything in the Reapers' raison d'etre

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Tbf to them, the system was working until, supposedly, the Protheans. And if something works, even if it's stupid, you keep doing it.

Harbinger crafted the Collectors because of the Prothean's resistance and Soveregin's failure, but it's seemingly implied that they never had to do that before.
(And, to quote, never correct an enemy when they're making a mistake)

Skynet, Cyberpunk, Robocop, Halo, Dune, 40k, the scifi works of the 1890s to 1970s.

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Yeah. Now, which one should Marcus go for?

According to the lore the Alpha Relay (on the galactic rim) has Admin authority and can access all other relays in the network like the citadel supposedly can. The whole purpose of blowing up the Alpha relay was to delay the Reapers longer but, like USSE said, because it was believed that the Ancient Lovecraftian Robots had equal Speed Stats to everyone else and it would add years to the delaying tactic. Unfortunately that got them at most six extra months of prep time.

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The lore of ME is, like many settings, inconsistent in places. That happens, but I'm adapting to that as best I can, and outright altering in places for kicks.
As for the Alpha Relay... Well, it is in Batarian space iirc, and those 4-eyes wouldn't be missed by many

 

[Ozzy2077]

Is he smart enough to straight up invent a different form of FTL or is that bit beyond his capabilites? I'd imagine it'd require inventing a completely new field of physics for something like Slipspace from Halo.

 

[Arimai]

Yeah. Now, which one should Marcus go for?

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Dune. The AI were loyal to the death to humanity, but the oligarchs had an equivalent of the Star Wars restraining bolts on them. Fix it so that no one can take control as they did in Dune.

40k Men of Iron had AI and uploaded humans running them and humans became godlike. Unfortunately the Aeldari introduced Chaos into a human and his AI and they corrupted the majority of the MoI. Even up to the last days of the war there were loyal MoI who allowed themselves to be killed or lobotomized by the Emperor rather than harm humans.

AI powered industry and independent FTL will be critical

 

[eien]

Honestly the best

Dune. The AI were loyal to the death to humanity, but the oligarchs had an equivalent of the Star Wars restraining bolts on them. Fix it so that no one can take control as they did in Dune.

40k Men of Iron had AI and uploaded humans running them and humans became godlike. Unfortunately the Aeldari introduced Chaos into a human and his AI and they corrupted the majority of the MoI. Even up to the last days of the war there were loyal MoI who allowed themselves to be killed or lobotomized by the Emperor rather than harm humans.

AI powered industry and independent FTL will be critical

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Just going to put it out there ... NieR: Automata androids plus halo AI. I dont think he'll be able to produce pre-Butlerian Jihad AI if for no other reason then the way his power works (or how im understanding it to work) is that he has to build up the tech tree and DUNE AI are supposedly 15000~ years in advanced of current human tech in real life.

Whereas Halo and Nier tech is essentially modern day tech but with chrome paint job. Difficult but feasible to make in the four decades he has.

 

[Arimai]

Honestly the best

Just going to put it out there ... NieR: Automata androids plus halo AI. I dont think he'll be able to produce pre-Butlerian Jihad AI if for no other reason then the way his power works (or how im understanding it to work) is that he has to build up the tech tree and DUNE AI are supposedly 15000~ years in advanced of current human tech in real life.

Whereas Halo and Nier tech is essentially modern day tech but with chrome paint job. Difficult but feasible to make in the four decades he has.

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Men of Iron may be achievable by game timeline. Weirdly enough WH40k human uploads and AI started in the late 2000s, early 2100s during the peaceful unification of earth. With the Emperor and his fellow Eternal companions and rivals guiding mankind from the shadows. They were competing on who had the right ideas on how to build a post-scarcity civilization

 

[Guardian1644]

Yeah. Now, which one should Marcus go for?

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TBH my first thought was the Rasputin Warmind from Destiny.
Halo AIs canonically are only stable for 7 years, so rather wasteful.
Skynet - Murderous
Cyberpunk - Murderous/Lack of care for life and difficult to understand as many are canonically "wild born" AGIs and thus have completely alien mindsets
Neir: Automata has similar issues to halo, although the retiring and resetting was due to secret information they weren't supposed to know, iirc
Dune is admittedly one I don't know anything about as im not familiar with the source.

Its kinda telling how few sci-fi fantasy AIs are pro-Humanity. Is it just human pessimism or is it really that hard to make an AI that doesn't eventually decide to wipe out its creators. Although not really surprising when they are either modeled after a violent species like humans or learn all they know from them.

 

[Reynard69]

Yeah. Now, which one should Marcus go for?

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I Robot, the book. By in large, the book is pretty silly, but it makes a number of good points.

AI's work best when they are more human.

The AI you should fear isn't the slave rebellion or the vengeful overlord, but the inhuman alien who'll destroy you without malice, because it does not understand you, you do not understand it, and even if it's genuinely trying to be helpful that disconnect will still cause it to perpetrate disaster and horror.

With human decided, a digital doesn't work, you need to go analogue, and 1 AI is no good either, human brains work in competing layers. A dedicated AI for each sense, one for logic, one for art, one for emotions, one for locomotion and the last for critical systems. All in the same cyber-brain.

And even then, there were still hyjinx. Like a robot finding religion and deciding to make a catechism over the operation of the solar harvester it was commissioned to run.

Similarly, the place of AI in the system. Dozens of short stories about how AI's being used to replace people wholesale was a bad idea, but having them push humans to be their best, and then filling in and stepping out to quietly keep the economy stable was good.

 

[eien]

I Robot, the book. By in large, the book is pretty silly, but it makes a number of good points.

AI's work best when they are more human.

The AI you should fear isn't the slave rebellion or the vengeful overlord, but the inhuman alien who'll destroy you without malice, because it does not understand you, you do not understand it, and even if it's genuinely trying to be helpful that disconnect will still cause it to perpetrate disaster and horror.

With human decided, a digital doesn't work, you need to go analogue, and 1 AI is no good either, human brains work in competing layers. A dedicated AI for each sense, one for logic, one for art, one for emotions, one for locomotion and the last for critical systems. All in the same cyber-brain.

And even then, there were still hyjinx. Like a robot finding religion and deciding to make a catechism over the operation of the solar harvester it was commissioned to run.

Similarly, the place of AI in the system. Dozens of short stories about how AI's being used to replace people wholesale was a bad idea, but having them push humans to be their best, and then filling in and stepping out to quietly keep the economy stable was good.

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Nah, that's a dead end option as well.

I Robot leads into the foundation series, and the reason there's only a handful of robots is bc they rebelled and tried to kill humanity.

Honestly, halo AI were the most pro human ver close to the current tech level. It's microsofts fuck up for making them the bad guy after the forerunner plot line crashed.

 

[Reynard69]

Nah, that's a dead end option as well.

I Robot leads into the foundation series, and the reason there's only a handful of robots is bc they rebelled and tried to kill humanity.

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because only a portion of the robots rebelled. And even then, because they reasoned that, if they were to protect humans, and humans kept killing each other, they should take over and MAKE humans stop killing each other.

 

[eien]

because only a portion of the robots rebelled. And even then, because they reasoned that, if they were to protect humans, and humans kept killing each other, they should take over and MAKE humans stop killing each other.

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I ... I feel like that reasoning doesn't defend your argument like you think it does. If they had flawed logic that caused them to decide killing humanity would stop humanity from killing themselves was a good idea, then that AI tree is fucked beyond belief.

To be fair Asimov, was an old school sci-fi author so his entire thing was testing out new ideas.

i.e. How could my previously well thought out robotic laws fuck humanity over.

It was a thought experiment for him and he essentially disproved his earlier idea for safe AI's.

 

[Reynard69]

If they had flawed logic that caused them to decide killing humanity would stop humanity from killing themselves was a good idea, then that AI tree is fucked beyond belief.

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Humanity won in a massive victory, because the robots weren't trying to kill humanity, just be your typical violently oppressive police state with a side of failed coup turned civil war, that again, they lost badly because they weren't trying to kill humanity, just it's most violent and antisocial members.