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Amelia, Worm AU [Complete]

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I think they mentioned that the restrictions placed on the younger members was mostly only because they had to set a good example/appeal to the people sort of thing. So the kids could likely get away with almost whatever they wanted, provided they ran it by Lisa/Taylor/Amelia first, and behaved themselves.

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I'm really not liking Victoria's interactions with Chevalier. Don't misunderstand, they're written well, and they fit her character as far as I can tell. I just don't personally like her actions and attitude.
 
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Well of course, but in the same breathe they admitted that they were exempt. There's one thing about telling everyone to put on a fake smile and pretend to be more chaste than a bible gurgling church girl, and entirely another in actually putting restrictions on their private lives.

This is the problem with child soldiers. Given adult responsibility, not considered responsible enough to act like adults.
 
Director Dunn continues to be kind of a bitch. Oh well, it's not like there isn't precedent for it.

Good parts. Still very impressed with your writing speed, BTW, especially in light of the quality you're showing us.
 
Prince Charon said:
Director Dunn continues to be kind of a bitch. Oh well, it's not like there isn't precedent for it.
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Honestly, the amount of directors in Worm that lack the interpersonal savvy that one would expect from people in such high public position is staggering... At least compared to the amount that do have it, but don't get screen time.

I suppose it is just a reflection of Wildbow's embittered view of authority figures.
 
GiftofLove said:
There's always a Piggot.
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Think she might have died by now, after Grue talked to her, because she wasn't looking so hot.

dasstan said:
I suppose it is just a reflection of Wildbow's embittered view of authority figures.
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I consider it to be semi-reasonable.

"Hey guys, I've got a job for you: You know all these dudes who can bench-press cars, shoot lighting from their hands, twist your mind, and build fantastical devices of mayhem and destruction? I want you to control them."

"What?"

"No, you won't be getting superpowers yourself. They'll always be more capable then you."

"No, you'll have a pretty restricted budget."

"No, you've got to make them look friendly, no matter what they can do."

"Oh, did I mention they're all mentally fucked? Yeah, turns out that when a bunch of kids go through incredibly traumatic experiences to the point that everyone knows not to ask or talk about them, it doesn't leave them in the best headspace. Don't worry though, we're cutting costs with therapy as well!"

Seriously, would you be happy to work in that sort of situation? Do you really think you wouldn't be constantly stressed out?
 
Daunmi said:
I consider it to be semi-reasonable.

"Hey guys, I've got a job for you: You know all these dudes who can bench-press cars, shoot lighting from their hands, twist your mind, and build fantastical devices of mayhem and destruction? I want you to control them."

"What?"

"No, you won't be getting superpowers yourself. They'll always be more capable then you."

"No, you'll have a pretty restricted budget."

"No, you've got to make them look friendly, no matter what they can do."

"Oh, did I mention they're all mentally fucked? Yeah, turns out that when a bunch of kids go through incredibly traumatic experiences to the point that everyone knows not to ask or talk about them, it doesn't leave them in the best headspace. Don't worry though, we're cutting costs with therapy as well!"

Seriously, would you be happy to work in that sort of situation? Do you really think you wouldn't be constantly stressed out?
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Yeah, when looking at it as an isolated thing, it makes sense, but when taken with all the other examples of authority figures being festering assholes...
 
dasstan said:
Honestly, the amount of directors in Worm that lack the interpersonal savvy that one would expect from people in such high public position is staggering... At least compared to the amount that do have it, but don't get screen time.

I suppose it is just a reflection of Wildbow's embittered view of authority figures.
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At least some of that you could probably handwave as being a necessary part of Cauldron's plans. On the other hand, there's another possible explanation too - The PRT, as I understand it, is essentially meant to employ, police, and control Parahumans. The more stick-up-their-asses type members of the government would likely want people who aren't going to allow the Capes to do what they want, instead wanting people who will make the Capes do exactly what they say exactly when they say it. Even if, maybe especially if, what those hardasses want is exactly the wrong thing to do.
 
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At least some of that you could probably handwave as being a necessary part of Cauldron's plans. On the other hand, there's another possible explanation too - The PRT, as I understand it, is essentially meant to employ, police, and control Parahumans. The more stick-up-their-asses type members of the government would likely want people who aren't going to allow the Capes to do what they want, instead wanting people who will make the Capes do exactly what they say exactly when they say it. Even if, maybe especially if, what those hardasses want is exactly the wrong thing to do.
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You're talking Watsonian while I'm talking Doylist. Just about anything in Worm can be justified in the Watsonian perspective if you throw "Cauldron Plan" in and slap the Contessa sticker on it.
 
Daunmi said:
I'm really not liking Victoria's interactions with Chevalier. Don't misunderstand, they're written well, and they fit her character as far as I can tell. I just don't personally like her actions and attitude.
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Yeah, I personally don't really care for Victoria either - she's as much a harpy as Dunn shown here. She's been given a decent enough power that she's become an essential part of the story, but it doesn't mean that her actions have become any more endearing. She still has never owned up to the mind rape she subjected her entire family to during her early lives anyway, and the story has already moved on enough that it'll be awkward to bring that in. That Victoria is willing to pursue romantic interests like this when she violated the very foundations of her sister's sexuality is... quite telling of the ugly nature of her character. Chevalier, one of the more stand up heroes in the story, being subjected to the ham-handed advances is just the cherry on top... I look forward to the end of this particular twist.
 
thatavidreader said:
Yeah, I personally don't really care for Victoria either - she's as much a harpy as Dunn shown here. She's been given a decent enough power that she's become an essential part of the story, but it doesn't mean that her actions have become any more endearing. She still has never owned up to the mind rape she subjected her entire family to during her early lives anyway, and the story has already moved on enough that it'll be awkward to bring that in. That Victoria is willing to pursue romantic interests like this when she violated the very foundations of her sister's sexuality is... quite telling of the ugly nature of her character. Chevalier, one of the more stand up heroes in the story, being subjected to the ham-handed advances is just the cherry on top... I look forward to the end of this particular twist.
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She had no control of that though. Could you explain further? I don't understand why she has to 'own up' to something she didn't even know she was doing.
 
thatavidreader said:
She still has never owned up to the mind rape she subjected her entire family to during her early lives anyway, and the story has already moved on enough that it'll be awkward to bring that in. That Victoria is willing to pursue romantic interests like this when she violated the very foundations of her sister's sexuality is... quite telling of the ugly nature of her character.
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Jesus shitting dicknipples Christ.

It's not her fault. Say it with me. It's not her fault. Slow mo it. Iiitttsss nooot heeeerr ffaaauulllt.

Breathe in. Hold it. Little longer. Liiitttle longer. Now exhale. Now that you've done that, apologize to the human race for contributing a tiny bit of greenhouse gasses. Or the next time someone sees you, apologize for the way light is reflecting off you and into their eyes without their consent.

This is the absurd levels you have reached. You are tarring a character with the rapist brush because of something they cannot control and were not aware of.

Victoria is not Heartbreaker, who gained a power and chose to enslave countless women. Victoria is not Valefor, who gained a power and compelled people to do hideous acts. She gained a power that didn't have an off switch, and as far as anyone knew, didn't have any long term effects.
 
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I'm really not liking Victoria's interactions with Chevalier. Don't misunderstand, they're written well, and they fit her character as far as I can tell. I just don't personally like her actions and attitude.
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I agree. It seems Like Victoria is really pushing herself on him, when he's not quite sure how to react to her advances. It seems like she's rushing into this relationship skipping the more emotional parts of it because she knows they're attracted to one another.
 
dasstan said:
This is the absurd levels you have reached. You are tarring a character with the rapist brush because of something they cannot control and were not aware off.
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Lol, it's funny how you deliberately misquote me with the intention of focusing on the defensible parts, because really, there is no defense for Victoria's current attitude towards Chevalier. It is a mere continuation of the rapist attitude she/her power had (unknowingly or not) during her previous life, and should horrify anyone that remembered what her family had suffered through just a short while ago.
 
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Lol, it's funny how you deliberately misquote me with the intention of focusing on the defensible parts, because really, there is no defense for Victoria's current attitude towards Chevalier. It is a mere continuation of the rapist attitude she/her power had (unknowingly or not) during her previous life, and should horrify anyone that remembered what her family had suffered through just a short while ago.
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I personally think it's kind of cute. She's having to work at getting his attention, and he's giving her some lessons in being an adult at the same time. (Yeah, I think he's a good influence on her).

In other news: Chevalier's middle name is actually Michael (it comes up once, used as his password for something).

Also, typo:
Dunn asked. "Cutting her through
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Quotation mark needing to be added.
 
thatavidreader said:
Lol, it's funny how you deliberately misquote me with the intention of focusing on the defensible parts, because really, there is no defense for Victoria's current attitude towards Chevalier. It is a mere continuation of the rapist attitude she/her power had (unknowingly or not) during her previous life, and should horrify anyone that remembered what her family had suffered through just a short while ago.
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I quoted the part of your message I wanted to address. The parts I didn't quote are your opinion, and you are entirely welcome to have it. The part I did quote was me addressing the fundamental misunderstanding you have on the nature of consent and the character of Victoria as she features in both Worm, and Amelia.

I liked Raisamike3 's post after yours because it's a more nuanced criticism of her interactions that doesn't come from the given that Victoria is a rapist, where as your post is basically "VICTIM BLAMING *foams at mouth* RAPIST *flails about* Evil Vicky must atone, raaawrr!"
 
dasstan said:
I quoted the part of your message I wanted to address. The parts I didn't quote are your opinion, and you are entirely welcome to have it. The part I did quote was me addressing the fundamental misunderstanding you have on the nature of consent and the character of Victoria as she features in both Worm, and Amelia.

I liked Raisamike3 's post after yours because it's a more nuanced criticism of her interactions that doesn't come from the given that Victoria is a rapist, where as your post is basically "VICTIM BLAMING *foams at mouth* RAPIST *flails about* Evil Vicky must atone, raaawrr!"
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Actually, to be precise, Vicky is almost the exact opposite of a rapist.

She got her 'victim' all hot and bothered, and then ... did nothing.

What happened in canon ... happened to her. Because of her own power.
 
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Actually, to be precise, Vicky is almost the exact opposite of a rapist.

She got her 'victim' all hot and bothered, and then ... did nothing.
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There's a word for people like that. Several words.

Flirt. Tease. Incorrigible.
Deadpan delivery end.
 
thatavidreader said:
Lol, it's funny how you deliberately misquote me with the intention of focusing on the defensible parts, because really, there is no defense for Victoria's current attitude towards Chevalier. It is a mere continuation of the rapist attitude she/her power had (unknowingly or not) during her previous life, and should horrify anyone that remembered what her family had suffered through just a short while ago.
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Have you considered that she flirts specifically with Chevalier because he will tell her: "No"?

Victoria has told others that she does NOT want a relationship, at least not until she can come to terms with what she did to everyone. That is the reason she threw Zack and Emma together, she is to terrified for something serious. She is also worried about the fact that she and Dean only fought over the phone, never face to face (and the implications). However, she enjoys flirting, that is part of her personality. Enter Chevalier, he is cute, enjoys the view and will tell her "no". Chevalier is safe; she can flirt with him but not worry about a serious relationship. Even more important, every time he rejects her advances to her face she knows she is not mind-rapping him. She get double points from flirting (and being rejected) by Chevalier: she can feel sexy and reassured of not-mastering someone. It is immature and annoying, but then, Victoria is a teenager who unintentional mind-raped her loved ones. Her flirting is wrong (and annoying, and probably not healthy), she is a harpy with Dunn, but characters don't need to be perfect.

I hope she grows up, and becomes a better person.
 
dasstan said:
His surname wouldn't happen to be Carpenter, would it?
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*Has to look up the reference*

Oh.

Not a fan.

Prince Charon said:
Good parts. Still very impressed with your writing speed, BTW, especially in light of the quality you're showing us.
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Bow before me, bitches!

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In other news: Chevalier's middle name is actually Michael (it comes up once, used as his password for something).
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Really? Fother Mucker. The dice have deemed his new name 'Nelson'.

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I personally think it's kind of cute. She's having to work at getting his attention, and he's giving her some lessons in being an adult at the same time. (Yeah, I think he's a good influence on her).
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Chevalier's a good influence on everyone.

Eevin said:
Have you considered that she flirts specifically with Chevalier because he will tell her: "No"?
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I love it when people read into the character nuances.
 
TanaNari said:
*Has to look up the reference*

Oh.

Not a fan.
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That's okay, too.
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Really? Fother Mucker. The dice have deemed his new name 'Nelson'.
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God damn it, Ack! Look what you've done. Nelson. He really did get a name commensurate to Deborah.
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Dunn was angling for legitimate dirt on Vicky,what her is motive do something like that, professional,political or personal?
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[wildbow]Yes.[/wildbow]
 
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