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On a Pale Horse (Umamusume/Youjo Senki)

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Liar said:
I honestly disagree. I think it would be interesting if the only major victories Shirogane ever achieves are the coveted Triple Crown and Triple Tiara
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Eh, there's the fact that Shirogane's strengths just aren't suited for most of the crown and tiara races.

One of the tiaras is a mile race, which well, when you greatest strength is endurance and making others burn through their own stamina, that doesn't look good. Especially with a top speed below that of your rivals.

The rest of the tiaras are The second tiara is a 2400 meters medium so Shirogane might win here, especially given how tiara competitors are usually "weaker" than crown ones. The last tiara is a 2000 medium, which while better than a mile race for Shirogane still isn't her best length. She could possibly win one of these mediums because the tiara competitors are generally "weaker" than the crown ones, but I don't see her winning both of the medium tiaras.

And as for the crown races? Things look better and paradoxically worse.

The first one is a medium 2000 meters, good but there's the enhanced competition too. All of Shirogane's rivals will be there too, and it is a Goddamn stacked generation who will be familiar-ish with Shirogane so she's further disadvantaged there too.

Second and third crown races look a lot better for Shirogane, but by that point her competitors will be very familiar with her strengths, but there is still the possibility of victory for Shirogane. I just don't think she'll gain more than 1 or 2 crowns and tiaras in total at most.

Now a G1 race she'll probably be crushing is the Spring Tenno Sho, a 3200 meters long race. That one she has in the bag.
 
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The Castle of Jutland said:
The rest of the tiaras are 2000 meters mediums, which while better than a mile race for Shirogane still isn't her best length. She could possibly win one of these mediums because the tiara competitors are generally "weaker" than the crown ones, but I don't see her winning both of the medium tiaras.
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Yes, thank you, that is also what I'm saying. In fact, given the quality of the competition, I think we can discount Shirogane winning any race 2000m or less. The only reason she came second in this race is because the track is a particularly hilly one. On a flat 1600m track, she'd struggle to place.

So that leaves the Tokyo Yushun (2400m) and the Kikuka-Sho (3000m) among the Crowns, and the Yushun Himba (2400m) from the Tiara.

The trouble is, both the Yushun 2400m races take place in Tokyo. In the chapter where Shirogane was trying to pick her debut track, she discounted the Tokyo track for being too flat and favoring the faster horses. And while 2400m is on the longer side for a medium race, its still within the limits of stamina of the true toppers in her year.

Unless something happens to make the Tokyo track harder to navigate (rain?) its why I'm only really expecting her to win the 3000m. And, as you said, the Spring Tenno Sho 3200m.
 
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Gremlin Jack said:
Unless something happens to make the Tokyo track harder to navigate (rain?) its why I'm only really expecting her to win the 3000m. And, as you said, the Spring Tenno Sho 3200m.
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If Wrandm goes by actual race records, it'll be fine weather on the day of the crown races in 1998. Which means that Shiro will have to do a rain dance in one of her post-race performances if she wants a competitive edge for the Kikuka Sho.
 
I agree that she would probably only win 1 Tiara race and end second or even third in the other 2.
The other racers are good enough to best her.

Regarding the weather, well we do know that she was willing to deliver food even in the middle of a storm/typhoon, so Rain will most likely affect her less that most racers.
I think some of her main calling cars would be her consistence while racing, the weather, the terrain and elevation impact her a lot less that most racers, but her main weakness stays her lack of speed and explosive acceleration.

She does need to find more long races where she can use her stamina to ground her opponents.
 
Shirogane has a very good chance to win the 1998 Yushun Himba, because the fillies that year are very weak at longer distances compared to the colts. The top 12 places at the 1998 Japanese Derby, on the same track and similar date and conditions, all finished faster than the winner of the 1998 Yushun Himba. She would probably have a harder time winning the 1999 Spring Tenno Sho because Special Week and Mejiro Bright are just that strong, both finishing within 1 second of the record previously set in 1997 by Mayano Top Gun.

The fillies are competitive at 2000m and below. Egao o Misete wins the 1999 Yomiuri Milers Cup (1600m), beating Matikanefukukitaru and Symboli Sword; Phalaenopsis gets 2nd at the 1999 Sapporo Kinen (2000m), 1/2 length behind Seiun Sky, but only gets 8th at the 1999 Arima Kinen (2500m) while being the fastest mare.

Shirogane would really show off her unflappable consistency and utter lack of race fatigue if she won the Himba on 5/31/1998, then came back the next week on 6/7/1998 and finished the Derby with the same splits and total time.
 
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I think the key is for Shirogane to win three or four of those races (in any order), effectively and perhaps unintentionally becoming the Uma to beat.
Given her personality, accepting challenges from other Umas would likely spark a competitive fire within her, frustrating her rivals and completely transforming the world of Uma racing.

P.S.: It wouldn't do her any good to finish second six times; she wouldn't make a lasting impression on the fans (she might just become a laughingstock). She needs decisive victories to secure invitations to races in Poland and even the Prix de l'Arc in France.
 
Liar said:
I honestly disagree. I think it would be interesting if the only major victories Shirogane ever achieves are the coveted Triple Crown and Triple Tiara, while she spends the rest of her career mostly finishing in second place, with only occasional wins in non-G1 races. However, I do agree that she needs to earn the Crown and Tiara—either by making a breakthrough in her training or finding a strong motivation to get first.
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It would feel incredibly contrived to me. She wins the double triple crown... and then nothing else? Really? When the competitive for the triple crown is some of the fiercest? That reeks of authorial fiat rather than letting it happen naturally. Heck even winning all 6 races would feel like authorial fiat.
 
Jomasten said:
Honestly wouldn't mind her being the Crown and Tiara holder and unintentionally becoming the aura farming threat.

Kinda like people who could beat Mahoraga in JJK 'don't hate the test, respect the ones who pass it'
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I do, because the mere attempt of actually trying both the crown and tiara tour would destroy "normal" umas and actually kill/destroy actual racehorses.

I'm absolutely fine with Shirogane being able to actually attempt it with no health consequences because she has an established tradeoff.

Shirogane damn well knows she most likely isn't winning any of them bar the Kikuka Sho, but if she actually won all of them? What the fuck was her "downside" supposed to be again? Her lower speed? Her giving it her 100% instead of the usual 120% other racers give? Her casual approach to what she considers her job and not her dreams?

Excuse me if I'm being heated, but Shirogane so far is some sort of successful Haru Urara, not Kincsem or Eclispe reborn.

There are characters who are this OP, but Shirogane has not been set up to be that character and I think it'd be an extreme asspull for Shirogane to not only win either the Tripple Tiara or Triple Crown, but both of them.
 
The Castle of Jutland said:
I think it'd be an extreme asspull for Shirogane to not only win either the Tripple Tiara or Triple Crown, but both of them.
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A fucking Amen the author has already come out and said that Shirogane only real chance of winning any of the 6 is the Kikuka sho, though that may have been before they looked into how weak the Japanese Oaks field was those two are the only wins I think are winnable, as Shirogane will most defenitely end within 2.3 seconds of the winner in the Japanese Derby, which if she consistent means Japanese Oaks win.

Edit: Support card event idea I just had: Shirogane making Team Rigil Królik w śmietanie, which Silince Suzuka finds delicious.
 
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cappo said:
P.S.: It wouldn't do her any good to finish second six times; she wouldn't make a lasting impression on the fans (she might just become a laughingstock).
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Tell me you know nothing about both Umamusume and horse racing in general without directly telling me so. Six consecutive 2nd place finishes at both the crown and tiara tour would never make any uma/horse a laughingstock.

That's the sort of performance that let's horses keep racing for many more years, if they aren't just retired to become a stud/broodmare.

Need I remind you that few horses win G3 races, and even fewer win G2 let alone G1's?

For example the legendary Stay Gold became famous for exactly that, placing 2nd several times in G1 races. Hell he had a period of almost 3 years where he never won a race.

Did this make him a laughingstock? Fucking no!

Another horse that became famous for not winning G1's was Nice Nature, who became famous for consistent third place finishes.

So the very idea that Shirogane would become a laughingstock for finishing 2nd place six times in both the Tiara and Crown tour is utterly absurd, ridiculous and nonsensical.

Hell she, and the hypothetical horse she'd be "based on", would already become famous just for attempting both tours at the same time without being destroyed by it.
 
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She might became known as "The white Wall" amongst the fans - because the winners of the crowns Will need to break through her presence on the tracks to win.

A idea for in-game animation of Shirogane unique skill "Suffocating presence" - we see the back of Shirogane running ahead, suddenly she stops and pivots and looks right at the viewer/runner behind her, holding herself in a proud pose with her right fist rised. she says: "Stand down for my arrival."

Yes, this is because i recently started to Watch Invincible and YouTube keeps giving me shorts with spoilers

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I have an insane scenario that's playing in my head that I just have to share, so I made an account.

It is way too dramatic and traumatic, to POSSIBLY be in this, but like, i'm gonna share it anyways. I'm not a writer, so i'm just gonna lay it out.

You know how Haru never got her Retirement race? How she got kidnapped? She ran for nearly 8 years and never got the proper sendoff.

I have an image of Shiro running a damn car down to rescue her friend suck in my head.

It could just be a scene that Shirogane misinterprets ( i don't know how but there's probably a way for an actual writer to set it up) , and then proceeds to go batshit. Past her peak her ass, she is flying over cars. I imagine at that point.She's very attached to haru, because by god eight years.
 
The Castle of Jutland said:
Tell me you know nothing about both Umamusume and horse racing in general without directly telling me so. Six consecutive 2nd place finishes at both the crown and tiara tour would never make any uma/horse a laughingstock.

That's the sort of performance that let's horses keep racing for many more years, if they aren't just retired to become a stud/broodmare.

Need I remind you that few horses win G3 races, and even fewer win G2 let alone G1's?

For example the legendary Stay Gold became famous for exactly that, placing 2nd several times in G1 races. Hell he had a period of almost 3 years where he never won a race.

Did this make him a laughingstock? Fucking no!

Another horse that became famous for not winning G1's was Nice Nature, who became famous for consistent third place finishes.

So the very idea that Shirogane would become a laughingstock for finishing 2nd place six times in both the Tiara and Crown tour is utterly absurd, ridiculous and nonsensical.

Hell she, and the hypothetical horse she'd be "based on", would already become famous just for attempting both tours at the same time without being destroyed by it.
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This isn't meant to downplay her racing career, but that admiration likely exists only among fans of the sport itself, not among the general public or the organizers of races abroad.

People always talk about the race and the path the champion took, but rarely about the runner-up; would Shirogane's fans even stay in the stadium after another second-place finish? If she were to be invited to race overseas, would she be the first choice, or would they look for a champion who draws a bigger crowd? Ultimately, the biggest draw—bearing in mind that the sport's goal is to generate profit—would be a "champion vs. champion" matchup.

The "Haru factor" doesn't quite apply here either, because the desire to see her win stemmed from a specific historical context (there are horses with worse losing streaks today, yet none have had the same impact as Haru).

As I see it, Tanya is essentially an office worker—with the racetrack serving as her office—holding a job she neither dislikes nor particularly enjoys

Another factor is that, so far, Tanya just shrugs—whether she wins or loses. Since this is a sports story, passion and frustration ought to play a role in the protagonist's journey at some point; can you imagine the *Cinderella Gray* anime without Oguri's passion? If Tanya's passion for racing doesn't grow, then her role in the story isn't about her development or learning to love the sport, but rather about how she transforms it and becomes the girl everyone has to beat.

If she were in Class 1-B instead of the "Golden Class," it would make sense for her to be the "Silver Guardian" to her peers—since she would only lose to the Golden Generation, and beating her would mean you belong to that elite group. However, because she is in Class 1-A, she is currently the rival to beat due to her early debut, but that status won't last forever.

That said, perhaps my phrasing was a bit harsh (English isn't my native language), but if Tanya stays on this same path, she'll end up with only a niche fanbase, and labels like "the princess who refused to be queen" or "the eternal 'almost-star'" will become her standard reputation.
 
Winning any race is a huge accomplishment. Shiro can get a pretty sizable fan base just by dominating the longer races. The Stayers Stakes is 3600m and might be renamed to the White Silver Stayers Stakes after Shiro is done.

Depending on how the author writes it, Shiro having a ridiculous winning percentage in races longer than 3000m would make her a really popular Uma.
 

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This isn't meant to downplay her racing career, but that admiration likely exists only among fans of the sport itself, not among the general public or the organizers of races abroad.

People always talk about the race and the path the champion took, but rarely about the runner-up; would Shirogane's fans even stay in the stadium after another second-place finish? If she were to be invited to race overseas, would she be the first choice, or would they look for a champion who draws a bigger crowd? Ultimately, the biggest draw—bearing in mind that the sport's goal is to generate profit—would be a "champion vs. champion" matchup.

The "Haru factor" doesn't quite apply here either, because the desire to see her win stemmed from a specific historical context (there are horses with worse losing streaks today, yet none have had the same impact as Haru).

As I see it, Tanya is essentially an office worker—with the racetrack serving as her office—holding a job she neither dislikes nor particularly enjoys

Another factor is that, so far, Tanya just shrugs—whether she wins or loses. Since this is a sports story, passion and frustration ought to play a role in the protagonist's journey at some point; can you imagine the *Cinderella Gray* anime without Oguri's passion? If Tanya's passion for racing doesn't grow, then her role in the story isn't about her development or learning to love the sport, but rather about how she transforms it and becomes the girl everyone has to beat.

If she were in Class 1-B instead of the "Golden Class," it would make sense for her to be the "Silver Guardian" to her peers—since she would only lose to the Golden Generation, and beating her would mean you belong to that elite group. However, because she is in Class 1-A, she is currently the rival to beat due to her early debut, but that status won't last forever.

That said, perhaps my phrasing was a bit harsh (English isn't my native language), but if Tanya stays on this same path, she'll end up with only a niche fanbase, and labels like "the princess who refused to be queen" or "the eternal 'almost-star'" will become her standard reputation.
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I'm pretty sure people are losing gonna lose their fucking minds over the fact that a horse is doing both. The brass balls are huge to pull this of even when she loses. She's essentially saying to all the other uma that she's gonna outlast them. And she's carving a unconventional legacy. Opening up to a possibility of
Deranged lunatics inspiring those crazy enough to do the unthinkable.

It doesn't matter that shiro thinks it's is a job.No one knows that??

Also Shiro enjoys running?? I don't know where do you think that she doesn't from??

Unconventional protagonists are great and I adore them. I like them when they have a wacky motivations. Is this a different story?And they're allowed to make a different story.What are you talking about???
 
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If she were in Class 1-B instead of the "Golden Class," it would make sense for her to be the "Silver Guardian" to her peers—since she would only lose to the Golden Generation, and beating her would mean you belong to that elite group. However, because she is in Class 1-A, she is currently the rival to beat due to her early debut, but that status won't last forever.
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What?
Do you not realize how stupid this sounds? Jungle Pocket has an abysmal win rate but she's still liked, if people didn't care about Umas who didn't win then Nature and Stay Gold wouldn't be so popular.

And why would Shiro losing her status be a bad thing? She doesn't care about winning all that much, and this isn't the kind of story where winning races is important due to Shiro's attitude.

Yes, Shiro won't win many races but that's kind of the point. She's weaker than her rivals but she is very consistent in her placings and she'll have a longer career than any of them. I imagine way into the future when Seiun Sky has her retirement race (I am assuming that she and Shiro will race here, it would be kind of a wasted opportunity if they didn't) she'll have bitter feeling over Shirogane still having consistent placings after so long while she ends in last place.

I don't see what's the issue here, honestly.
 
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