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Questionable Questing

Bob is bob
Bob is bob
The politics of this are different from last time. Before, it was civil war in heaven between the angels. Lucifer with his camp and Michael and his loyalists with the other. Now? Sinner demons I'd say are as capable of becoming as powerful as the Fallen, so that combined with the breeding and spread of the Fallen Houses, and a infinite plane of demonic energy.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
It would make any war between Heaven and Hell a million times worse than the War in Heaven. The scale of powers involved, the universe would burn.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Here is a question, is the incest a main plot point driving the story or a side smut spice on top of a main juicy plot?
Andy333
Andy333
Well this is a smut site, so in the beginning it was definitely the main plot point. And while I would love to focus on the other stuff and I probably will, the incest I think has to remain the main plot point. It's too out of left field if that makes sense. If it was just Vagie and Charlies back ground romance that would be one thing, canon's already done half the work for it, you can just plug and play basically.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
From my experience? I've started to follow the Corruption of Champions and Trials of Tainted Space school of the smutty porn logic is there as a enhancer, with a strong actual plot as foundation and you don't care so much about making your porn the plot, its the fun extra side to the plot that you can use with the plot but don't build around it
Andy333
Andy333
But Charlie, her dad, and her mom, in one big throuple? That's too crazy for people not to be super invested in it. We can talk about politics and big epic battles between demons all day, but none of that is going to be as interesting to the readers as the incest. Again in a fandom into shipping as much as Hazbin hotel, that is something that hasn't been done yet.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Get into how sheltered a girl Charlie is. She lived in that castle for ages with her sex symbol mom and super hot immortal dad. She's vulnerable, in need of comfort, and Lilith runs a sex dungeon empire of blood sport and Lucifer has lived among Demons since his Fall. Charlie pushing boundaries and soon you have both her mom and dad working to seduce her and make Vaggie a new sex toy for the family
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Llith and Lucifer deciding to take a page out of their Overlords and Fallen nobles book and court and marry their daughter, keeping her forever as is a thing in Hell as can be seen with the Luna plotline
Andy333
Andy333
What my goal is, come for the porn, but stay for the world building and three dimensional characters,. But again people are going to see the porn first and have questions about it, and unless we satisfy those questions with a really good romance, its going to drag everything else down.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Noted, so Charlie has had these fantasies before. She lives in sex land. Lilith is the patron of raunchy dark depraved carnality. Charlie knows sex. Her examples of female and male beauty are her stunning mom and her roguish dad. Charlie as we have noted is a weirdo in a lot of ways and this can fold into that
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Vaggie is her first crush outside of mommy and daddy.
Andy333
Andy333
I guess where I'm stuck at is how do Lilith and Lucifer both deiced to seduce charlie? At what point? Why do they do it? To keep her home and never have her leave? Is it because they realize how unhappy they are without her there? How reluctant are they on doing it?
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Unhappy without her, to keep her home where she belong as these two have built their lives around Charlie, they don't function anymore without her, and I think they feel guility about it but they are the King and Queen of Hell. They've seen this done with Sinners and Fallen, they built a kingdom on the freedom of the Id.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
And both are demons. That is important. Lilith and Lucifer are the inverse of angels. Their instincts and thoughts, their passions and will, it is that of Hell. They might fight it, but they'll still fall into doing it.
Also Vaggie, dear god are those two envious of Vaggie. She makes them think of Charlie sexually
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Thinking on it. Lucifer and Lilith are highly reluctant at first, but the thoughts keep drumming in their heads. The passions keep flaring. Which can serve as secret worldbuilding.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
Demons, Fallen or Sinners, their all the same(and that is something many Fallen try to ignore) are creatures of vice and temptation. Lucifer and Llith feeling guility about their dark imaginings doesn't stop it, it only makes the fevour greater. Falling to desire for something is a core attribute of the demonic, and what is more bound to Hell's essence than its king and queen? They can't fight their natures
Andy333
Andy333
I like the idea that they can't function without her, that level of desperation is what makes it work. That whole fight between Lilith and Lucifer over who rules hell, in my mind the big thing that always kept it from getting violent or from escalating too much was that no matter how much they are angry or even hate each other, they both love charlie and want the best for her.
Andy333
Andy333
They wouldn't want to hurt each other because that would make Charlie sad, and when the two do nearly go to blows that's what's going to stop them and what's also going to make them realize how much they need charlie back home.
Andy333
Andy333
As a person, as a couple, they need her. Lucifer is depressed without her. Lilith is trapped in her role. As a couple they can't give each other what they need without Charlie as a mediator. It isn't just two people married together anymore, they need that third piece.
Bob is bob
Bob is bob
I also think that they can't kill each other. They Fell into Hell together. Lucifer needs Lilith and Lilith needs Lucifer. Any hate can't dampen that devotion. Their beings of the immortal. The scale of their arguments might be long but there is a understanding it will end and they will find a new balance.
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