Balancing Like with Dislike

[00loner]

1) Shouldn't there be a Dislike option along with Like?

2) I feels giving people two opposite options to express their opinions on posts will be better. Cause even if someone don't like a post, they can't express it without commenting on it.

3) Giving both Dislike and Like option will also show what is the basic general opinion of people on various posts.

 

[riotous living]

General feeling is shown well enough from a lack of likes. Adding negative reactions would just make it easier for people to be toxic, especially to authors

 

[Blackshard]

Dislikes are effectively a soft moderation tool for larger-population sites where content filtering is important. QQ is very much not that, so it'd just add toxicity.

 

[00loner]

How will dislike add toxicity? I don't understand.

Positive review = like
Negative review = dislike
Neutral review = nothing

How come toxicity came here?

 

[Terrabrand]

How will dislike add toxicity? I don't understand.

Positive review = like
Negative review = dislike
Neutral review = nothing

How come toxicity came here?

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Dislikes lead to things like brigading- people coming into threads just for being competition to the threads they like and mashing dislike without even reading the thread at all.

You might be someone who would only use dislikes in a fair minded, honest way, but you inevitably have to cope with human tribalism. People don't do dislikes purely because 'ah, I see, this was a bad story, I should warn other people away from this post'.

Viewing likes and dislikes as positive and negative reviews also does not work because likes and dislikes are just one empty data point each. Having likes makes sense- it's a way to support basically going '+1' without wasting an entire post on it, expressing your appreciation at all without bloating a thread- my not very popular in the grand scheme of things thread for my one shots and short series would be not 6 pages, but somewhere in the range of sixty or more if every like was expressed as an actual post.

Meanwhile, if I wasn't getting those likes instead, I'd have no idea which of my story ideas were more and less popular.

Dislikes add nothing of real value by contrast. 'I hated this' is just toxicity unto itself if there's not critique involved. You need an actual post to go 'eh... I disliked this because it's poorly spelled and has bad grammar' or 'this was disturbing and should have been tagged' or whatever'. Lots Of People Disliked Button this meanwhile tells you nothing of use as a reader and is just harmful for the author.

 

[00loner]

Dislikes lead to things like brigading- people coming into threads just for being competition to the threads they like and mashing dislike without even reading the thread at all.

You might be someone who would only use dislikes in a fair minded, honest way, but you inevitably have to cope with human tribalism. People don't do dislikes purely because 'ah, I see, this was a bad story, I should warn other people away from this post'.

Viewing likes and dislikes as positive and negative reviews also does not work because likes and dislikes are just one empty data point each. Having likes makes sense- it's a way to support basically going '+1' without wasting an entire post on it, expressing your appreciation at all without bloating a thread- my not very popular in the grand scheme of things thread for my one shots and short series would be not 6 pages, but somewhere in the range of sixty or more if every like was expressed as an actual post.

Meanwhile, if I wasn't getting those likes instead, I'd have no idea which of my story ideas were more and less popular.

Dislikes add nothing of real value by contrast. 'I hated this' is just toxicity unto itself if there's not critique involved. You need an actual post to go 'eh... I disliked this because it's poorly spelled and has bad grammar' or 'this was disturbing and should have been tagged' or whatever'. Lots Of People Disliked Button this meanwhile tells you nothing of use as a reader and is just harmful for the author.

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I think you are complicating this simple topic. Dislike might just reduce toxicity rathen than adding it. People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

 

[AztecCroc]

You realize we tried having dislikes for like a week after XF2 changeover and no one liked it. Also it doesn't really work in Xenforo.

 

[riotous living]

People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

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If people make a rule-violating comment report them and laugh when they're banned. If they're nothing but toxic ask them to stop or use the ignore function. It's much easier to moderate actual comments than reactions.

 

[RedStarMini]

I think you are complicating this simple topic. Dislike might just reduce toxicity rathen than adding it. People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

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Except dislikes do not actually "voice" dislike, they are merely a single very unnuanced way of expressing it. People who feel very strongly about disliking something will normally pair that up with a comment. What this does is give people who would otherwise just move on with their lives a way to express their dislike. Your suggestion would complicate the already pre-existing method in use.

 

[Terrabrand]

I think you are complicating this simple topic. Dislike might just reduce toxicity rathen than adding it. People might add dislike rather than replying in a manner that will violate a rule or add toxicity.

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you can pretend humanity isn't complex if you like but you want to 'balance' like with dislike just because you assume it would be good off nothing.

I have explained why it would likely be bad. Waving your hands and saying 'you're complicating it' just makes you look stupid rather than like I'm actually overcomplicating things to point out how people demonstrably act when such options are available.

EDIT: like. the simple topic here is 'the current status quo works fine'. We don't have dislike and we don't need it. You think 'balancing' positivity- likes- with dislikes- so negativity!- will improve things. Flailing when people point out why that won't be the case doesn't help your case any.

You're the one proposing a change. Even just being a coinflip as to whether dislikes would make things better or worse means its probably not worth the site's effort to do, since the change requires work whether it helps or not.

If it does basically nothing that's still a losing move.

 

[Mattamars]

The only issues I can see about the current system is it tends to be really hard to express any form of dislike/distaste/disappointment on a thread without it spiralling in arguing or derailment.

In some cases this site seams to fall into a bit of a echo chamber with no one willing to say anything negative.

 

[Silvercrystal]

The only issues I can see about the current system is it tends to be really hard to express any form of dislike/distaste/disappointment on a thread without it spiralling in arguing or derailment.

In some cases this site seams to fall into a bit of a echo chamber with no one willing to say anything negative.

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Constructive criticism is always welcome.
If you can't provide constructive criticism then you don't need to express your dislike.

Good example:
I didn't like your characterization of 'character' in the last chapter. You seem to be writing them as more of a Mary Sue then they should be for no apparent reason.

Bad example:
This chapter sucked you should delete it and start over.

Adding a dislike button does not give any feedback as to what you actually didn't like about the chapter and is essentially little better than outright saying the bad example.

 

[CrunchySharpie]

Constructive criticism is always welcome.
If you can't provide constructive criticism then you don't need to express your dislike.

Good example:
I didn't like your characterization of 'character' in the last chapter. You seem to be writing them as more of a Mary Sue then they should be for no apparent reason.

Bad example:
This chapter sucked you should delete it and start over.

Adding a dislike button does not give any feedback as to what you actually didn't like about the chapter and is essentially little better than outright saying the bad example.

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I somewhat disagree with this on principle. In a similar way to why I disagree with Youtube removing it's dislike button. Not many people want to waste significant fractions of their day on something they'll ultimately dislike and having a handy like-to-dislike ratio can help people make informed at-a-glance judgements on if they should waste the time. Yes that's not always perfect and on polarizing subjects it can be hit or miss depending on who is engaging with the content the most but QQ doesn't necessarily have to worry about the overarching issues with such a system. 1. Because most importantly QQ generally doesn't allow polarizing subjects as a matter of dis/course. (Rule 8 being the big one) 2. You have to be a member to upvote as well as the overall size of the site you don't necessarily have to worry about a botnet making hundreds or thousands of socks to downvote someones content into oblivion. (nevermind that would quickly get all the socks/users using those socks banned) 3. Malicious downvotes can fairly easily be recognized because the moderation of the site are actually people, rather than canned responses from AI that politely tell you to get fucked and cry about it.

Now saying all that. I don't think QQ needs a downvote system. The site is small enough and not devoted to rabid contentious discourse and hot takes needing to be ratio'd like that. It's a site for lewds, generally if you dislike something it's going to be the fetishes on display that are going to get the most vocal dislike, followed closely by your standard story foilables (Bad characterization, story telling, worldbuilding, etc.) Any thing after that, you're just disliking to be a hater, and QQ doesn't really need that at the moment, if ever.

Also it'd make more work for the mods who are for the most part chill, making more work for them and maybe making them not chill in the process is the exact opposite of what the users should want.

 

[doll]

Likes don't mean that you like or endorse something, anyway. There doesn't need to be a dislike system because by having a single button, all it really boils down to is a 'react' function that's useful for finding something later or acknowledging you've seen it. Having more than one would add nuance and additional meaning to the reactions, but if you're actually trying to express an opinion or feedback the better way would be to do so in text.