Cosmos Quest (Naruto/Lupin III)

Serous · Oct 27, 2013

[X] Straight-up Throne her so you don't have to hurt her or get hurt.

Its not like we aren't expected to have some form of such ability, and would get them focused on countering that rather than our speed or genjutsu.

The Nobody · Oct 27, 2013

Kaguya Taketori

Taketori Monogatari?

Uju's suggestion appeals to me so far, so

[x] Vote Uju

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
Anyway, looking at our current matchup.
First caution: This is an AU.
We taught Lee Fire meditation for one.
Who knows what else has changed.

This ain't For Want of a Nail, Furiko doesn't really need the excuse of Fire Meditation if she wants changes, although Tenten doesn't really SOUND different.

1) Tenten KNOWS we're fast, from personal experience.
We did speed training with Lee as well.
And given that she is Neji's teammate, the fact that we used to go on runs with Hinata will be known to her.
So she expects both a measure of speed and endurance.

This is true, although expect =/ can do anything about.

2)She is a weapons specialist, primarily ranged so the priority is to take away her sight.
Flash bangs and smoke bombs will do, and also obscure what we're doing from spectators.
Her databook stats and prior behavior (in the tower) also indicate she's rather weak to genjutsu, nor is her Strength or Taijutsu hugely superior to ours.

Eh, if we could squeeze out a quick silent Bringer of Darkness without anyone seeing or Tenten having the chance to pass it on, it could work. Especially if she's knocked unconscious almost immediately afterwards and her short term memory doesn't transition to long term memory, preserving the secret.

3)We've established ourself in the eyes of the contestants as an infiltrator type; deception is what they expect.
Genjutsu certainly, maybe speed as well.
Let's show them what they expect.
Throne is a high-level Yamanaka technique; it's quite possible that jounin like Zabuza will recognize the hand seals and warn their kids.
So that's well out.

Genjutsu isn't really a certainty although it may be a suspicion. Them recognizing Bringer of Darkness for what it is would be tragic though.

Maybe a quick False Surroundings would do equivalent inconvenience and let us end the match decisively?

4)Neji will be watching, so anything we exhibit here is blown to rivals.
And watching jounin may pick up on stuff we don't want them to, so let's leave Menka out of this.

Actually I HAD forgotten Neji would be watching, so touche. I wouldn't leave Menka out of it because he really is a good ace in the hole should things go south against Tenten, but if we can win without using him then great.

While the others are playing checkers, we should be playing twelve-dimensional chess and looking to the longterm.

We totally are not and you should know this. For the lulz features prominently objectives.

PLAN
[X] Go on the offensive the second the proctor says the word.
Smokebombs and flashbangs.
Bunshin and genjutsu(D and C rank).
Use the fan if necessary, and if we have it up, ghetto Jyuuken.
Take her seriously, but leave the big guns in the toybox.
And leave Menka out of this.

Yeah, if the plan is just going on the offensive and pitching ideas for it, great, but I don't think we should be so very specific in limiting Ino's options. Also, we don't have ghetto Jyuuken so unless we develop it on the spot....and it would probably really ruffle the feathers of the Hyuuga. Perhaps most importantly, we don't know if ghetto Jyuuken will be as consequence free as normal Jyuuken. I suspect it won't be. And I definitely don't like leaving Menka out. If nothing else him being a decoy with Henge is still a viable tactic that might trip Tenten up in the heat of battle.

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
*snip picture*
"Anyway I brought the magazine into the bathroom along with the kitchen scissors, and it wasn't long before... well, you have the pictures, you can see what happened.
"I have my hair long now, but I keep it braided while I'm working. Wish I could wear it loose more often, but long hair near an open flame is a disaster waiting to happen."

It really does look like something an under-ten managed to do with a bathroom mirror and a kitchen knife

FurikoMaru said:
MAKEOVERS FOR EVERYONE!
*snip*
... I'm sensing a theme here...

Y'know, Lee is the only one there really getting into the spirit of the thing; the others range from miserable(Naruto, Chouji) to too cool for school(Kiba).
I see your guys and raise you ladies

At least Ino's old enough that her Moms will have no further objection to her wearing black.

FurikoMaru · Oct 27, 2013

The Nobody said:
Taketori Monogatari?

Yep! They've all got fairy tale codenames. Suigetsu is competing as Moegara Sen.

FurikoMaru · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
Y'know, Lee is the only one there really getting into the spirit of the thing; the others range from miserable(Naruto, Chouji) to too cool for school(Kiba).

I think Shikamaru looks the best, actually; he looks unfussed, like he wears this kind of thing every day. Plus I like slick-backed hair with a widow's peak in combination with a suit. Can't imagine why. O

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Eh, if we could squeeze out a quick silent Bringer of Darkness without anyone seeing or Tenten having the chance to pass it on, it could work. Especially if she's knocked unconscious almost immediately afterwards and her short term memory doesn't transition to long term memory, preserving the secret.

Neji is watching.
We bring that out, we lose the ability to use it against him.
And while we're very good, I don't put it in our ability to hide something like that from the multiple hostile jounin currently watching.
And we have drawn attention.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Maybe a quick False Surroundings would do equivalent inconvenience and let us end the match decisively?

False Surroundings would work well with smoke bombs/flashtags; it would make it doubly sure that she wouldn't notice the transition from reality to genjutsu.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Actually I HAD forgotten Neji would be watching, so touche. I wouldn't leave Menka out of it because he really is a good ace in the hole should things go south against Tenten, but if we can win without using him then great.

So cloak him with a bunshin, but don't have him henge into human form; that's a secret we should keep as long as possible.

And while I'm not knocking the lady, if we can't beat Tenten without using Menka or BoD, we shouldn't be in this exam.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
We totally are not and you should know this. For the lulz features prominently objectives.

The best trolls require advance planning.
Looking at the memories of Lupin Ino first remembered, none of those tricks he pulled off could have been done without a fair bit of anticipating your opponent and planning ahead.
Lupin may make it look easy, but that's still a lot of work.

As is, most are looking to pass this stage.
We're considering the ramifications(or should be) of exposing our ability to play koto on our future career.
By genin standards, THAT's 12-dimensional chess.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Yeah, if the plan is just going on the offensive and pitching ideas for it, great, but I don't think we should be so very specific in limiting Ino's options. Also, we don't have ghetto Jyuuken so unless we develop it on the spot....and it would probably really ruffle the feathers of the Hyuuga. Perhaps most importantly, we don't know if ghetto Jyuuken will be as consequence free as normal Jyuuken. I suspect it won't be. And I definitely don't like leaving Menka out. If nothing else him being a decoy with Henge is still a viable tactic that might trip Tenten up in the heat of battle.

Ruffling the Hyuuga's feathers?
They'll ask, we'll demonstrate.
The fact that it requires extreme control to pull off will mollify them.
And we have corroboration that we've been using the base technique since we were kids; we were notorious for it, in fact. So Hinata doesn't get in trouble for that either.
If we don't have ghetto Jyuuken though, it's not a problem.

As for tactics, offense seems like the obvious choice.
We do not want to give a ranged weapons user time to get going, nor do we have the AoE attacks canon Temari used to no-sell Tenten's moar dakka.
And exposing our ability to use Throne ranks up there with using Bringer of Darkness in the preliminaries as a no-no.

The Nobody · Oct 27, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
Yep! They've all got fairy tale codenames. Suigetsu is competing as Moegara Sen.

Does this count as a reference-guess? If I guess "Moegara Sen", would that count?

FurikoMaru · Oct 27, 2013

The Nobody said:
Does this count as a reference-guess? If I guess "Moegara Sen", would that count?

Indeed, both would.

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
I think Shikamaru looks the best, actually; he looks unfussed, like he wears this kind of thing every day. Plus I like slick-backed hair with a widow's peak in combination with a suit. Can't imagine why. O

*shakes head*

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
False Surroundings would work well with smoke bombs/flashtags; it would make it doubly sure that she wouldn't notice the transition from reality to genjutsu.
So cloak him with a bunshin, but don't have him henge into human form; that's a secret we should keep as long as possible.

Bunshin doesn't account for the shadow, I believe. And Menka's just a cat so his shadow wouldn't be right at all.

Seriously, we've already had him show off his Henge in the first exam, I see no problem using it again.

The best trolls require advance planning.

Are you not remembering how we dramatically blew our cover to taunt Ibiki just for the lulz? We will totally do stupid shit just because it amuses us.

And our entire actions for the first exam were pretty much completely off the cuff as soon as the exam got started. We had a game plan, sure, but we improvised pretty much on the spot. We're much more by-the-seat-of-our-pants than we are have-a-plan-well-in-advance-before-going-anywhere.

As is, most are looking to pass this stage.
We're considering the ramifications(or should be) of exposing our ability to play koto on our future career.
By genin standards, THAT's 12-dimensional chess.

Those are very low standards.

Ruffling the Hyuuga's feathers?
They'll ask, we'll demonstrate.
The fact that it requires extreme control to pull off will mollify them.
And we have corroboration that we've been using the base technique since we were kids; we were notorious for it, in fact. So Hinata doesn't get in trouble for that either.
If we don't have ghetto Jyuuken though, it's not a problem.

We ripped off the concept for their clan jutsu. I'm pretty sure they were not happy about us ripping off traditional jyuuken as is. There won't be any mollifying, just deepening of a grudge/annoyance/et cetera. Furiko even warned us about the consequences of using ghetto Jyuuken in a public place.

Guile · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
It really does look like something an under-ten managed to do with a bathroom mirror and a kitchen knife
Y'know, Lee is the only one there really getting into the spirit of the thing; the others range from miserable(Naruto, Chouji) to too cool for school(Kiba).
I see your guys and raise you ladies

At least Ino's old enough that her Moms will have no further objection to her wearing black.

That's gorgeous, and shows off their personality a lot better than the dudes.

FurikoMaru said:
I think Shikamaru looks the best, actually; he looks unfussed, like he wears this kind of thing every day. Plus I like slick-backed hair with a widow's peak in combination with a suit. Can't imagine why. O

I like the bookends, myself. Neji makes the untucked shirt look rock, and Shino is TOTALLY too-cool-for-school.

FurikoMaru · Oct 27, 2013

Guile said:
That's gorgeous, and shows off their personality a lot better than the dudes.I like the bookends, myself. Neji makes the untucked shirt look rock, and Shino is TOTALLY too-cool-for-school.

Yeah, but saying Neji looks good is like saying the Pacific Ocean is rather roomy. Post-timeskip he's a full-on hottie.

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Bunshin doesn't account for the shadow, I believe. And Menka's just a cat so his shadow wouldn't be right at all.

Are you sure about that?
I just watched the Ino-Sakura fight again, and Bunshin were producing appropriate shadows for the construct.

Besides, False Surroundings.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Seriously, we've already had him show off his Henge in the first exam, I see no problem using it again.

Read the update again.
That was Ino's Henge, not Menka's.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Are you not remembering how we dramatically blew our cover to taunt Ibiki just for the lulz?
We will totally do stupid shit just because it amuses us.

There are limits to what we do for a laugh.
There are limits to what LUPIN would do for a laugh.
And there are very dangerous people here, in a possibly lethal exam.
Stupid shit isn't going to fly.
Especially with a hypocritical adult whispering in our ear.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Those are very low standards.

For a genin?
Hardly.
We're not exactly running Konoha's intelligence service at the moment.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
We ripped off the concept for their clan jutsu. I'm pretty sure they were not happy about us ripping off traditional jyuuken as is. There won't be any mollifying, just deepening of a grudge/annoyance/et cetera. Furiko even warned us about the consequences of using ghetto Jyuuken in a public place.

I'm gonna want a GM ruling here, because I don't recall any of this.
As far as I know, the Hyuuga do not bear us any grudge whatsoever, according to Hinata; even the teaching of Gentle Fist is permitted.
The only things that were forbidden were main House secret techniques.

Canon Neji recreated Kaiten and Sixty Four Palms without tutoring; it didn't raise more of a fuss than "He's a prodigy."
Kakashi walked around with a Sharingan while the Uchiha were alive.
I'm not seeing the issue here.

Torgamous · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
Read the update again.
That was Ino's Henge, not Menka's.

There were two henges. Menka was henged as us.

uju32 said:
As far as I know, the Hyuuga do not bear us any grudge whatsoever, according to Hinata; even the teaching of Gentle Fist is permitted.
The only things that were forbidden were main House secret techniques.

Weren't they fine with it because they think a Byakugan is required to make full use of the style? If we go for tenketsu there may be a bit of a fuss, and if we don't there's not much reason not to just use our own taijutsu style.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
Are you sure about that?
I just watched the Ino-Sakura fight again, and Bunshin were producing appropriate shadows for the construct.

Really? Wikia says otherwise.

Besides, False Surroundings.

If we get them off without giving too much away, by all means, although I'd like Tenten to think she's found the right one easily enough only for it to turn out to be false, thus giving us an opening.

Read the update again.
That was Ino's Henge, not Menka's.

If you're referring to Menka Henged as Ino-and-Menka back in her seat, yes, exactly.

Doing so and memorizing the answer key, you henge into the woman and Menka follows suit.

[X] Drop your two henge dramatically.

What did you think I was talking about, Menka's human form? No. He doesn't even need that to use a sword, he normally uses his tail. I was talking about him Henging into Ino with Menka still on her shoulder.

There are limits to what we do for a laugh.
There are limits to what LUPIN would do for a laugh.

I question that.

And there are very dangerous people here, in a possibly lethal exam.
Stupid shit isn't going to fly.

And yet it's already done.

For a genin?
Hardly.
We're not exactly running Konoha's intelligence service at the moment.

I mean playing the long game for the prelims and the finals is hardly that complicated. Even now surprises are stock in trade.

I'm gonna want a GM ruling here, because I don't recall any of this.
As far as I know, the Hyuuga do not bear us any grudge whatsoever, according to Hinata; even the teaching of Gentle Fist is permitted.
The only things that were forbidden were main House secret techniques.

Actually I checked and you may well be correct.

Before you begin, Hinata makes it clear she won't use any of the private Main Branch techniques in front of you, because ever since rumours about your snatching habit started floating around you've been placed in the same category as a Sharingan-user (you're irked to no end to hear that), and it's now forbidden for any Hyuuga to show you anything too impressive.

You're kind of surprised any non-Hyuuga are allowed to learn Gentle Fist, but Hinata says without the Byakugan the style is considered incomplete, so there's no reason to guard it.

And you thought the Lollypops were arrogant.

Torgamous has a point though.

Canon Neji recreated Kaiten and Sixty Four Palms without tutoring; it didn't raise more of a fuss than "He's a prodigy."

He is a Hyuuga, Branch or not, and they've got him pretty firmly controlled.

Kakashi walked around with a Sharingan while the Uchiha were alive.

Kakashi....well, yeah, big question mark there frankly. Student of Yellow Flash, too good to antagonize or otherwise waste, it's not like that Sharingan isn't better protected in his skull than most less talented Uchiha?

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

Torgamous said:
There were two henges. Menka was henged as us.

Yes, I know.
Weren't both henges ours?
Or at least, deniably ours?
All he did was sit in a chair after all.
Having our cat hengeing into a human that engages in combat would blow the entire thing open.

In other words, we blow the fact that we have a summon contract, that it's Cats, and that Menka is a summon cat.
At the same time.
To fight Tenten.
Not worth it.

Torgamous said:
Weren't they fine with it because they think a Byakugan is required to make full use of the style? If we go for tenketsu there may be a bit of a fuss, and if we don't there's not much reason not to just use our own taijutsu style.

A Byakugan IS required to make full use of the style.
We can't see tenketsu or chakra pathways.

Guile · Oct 27, 2013

Lupino showing she can shut somebody down with ghetto Jyuuken may be a problem, though.

The Nobody · Oct 27, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
Indeed, both would.

They would? Nice. I figure using Google is not cool, but Google Translate should be fair game.

Except that, "Ember Thousand" doesn't remind me of anything, and "Fiery Elections" is probably not it. Sadly, I have to assume that this story wasn't included in my "Japanese Children's Favourite Stories" PDFs.

It could be a "line of ashes", but that seems off. And it's probably not from Urashima Tarou anyway.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
Yes, I know.
Weren't both henges ours?
Or at least, deniably ours?
All he did was sit in a chair after all.

Can you explain how it was ours and how we did it and kept it that long?

And for the record, Menka did his own henge.

Having our cat hengeing into a human that engages in combat would blow the entire thing open.

There's a reason I wanted to have him open as a decoy, but him fighting as acceptable if needed.

In other words, we blow the fact that we have a summon contract, that it's Cats, and that Menka is a summon cat.
At the same time.
To fight Tenten.
Not worth it.

No, it doesn't. Just that we have a cat that fights with us, like Kiba has a dog that fights with him. Just because ours is not well known does not mean they'll go summon contract, just that we have a helper. He's been hanging around us a damn long time, most of our life in fact, it's not ideal but it's not a show stopper.

A Byakugan IS required to make full use of the style.
We can't see tenketsu or chakra pathways.

But we can hear them and we can use them for that purpose. Stealing the stances and movements is not the same as manipulating tenketsu.

FurikoMaru · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
I'm gonna want a GM ruling here, because I don't recall any of this.
As far as I know, the Hyuuga do not bear us any grudge whatsoever, according to Hinata; even the teaching of Gentle Fist is permitted.

It's permitted, but only because someone good enough at taijutsu to make 'complete' use of the Jyuuken without a Byakugan comes along about once in a generation, and even then it's a lot of work that most people don't want to do. There's never been a perfect storm of visual-kinaesthetic learner/sensor/utter asshole to warrant a ban on showing Jyuuken moves to non-Hyuuga.

At least as far as the Hyuuga know.

uju32 said:
Canon Neji recreated Kaiten and Sixty Four Palms without tutoring; it didn't raise more of a fuss than "He's a prodigy."

What Hymn said, with a side order of Sarutobi's soft spot for children meaning they can't just kill him/keep him in reserve for stud like in the good old days.

The Nobody said:
They would? Nice. I figure using Google is not cool, but Google Translate should be fair game.

Except that, "Ember Thousand" doesn't remind me of anything, and "Fiery Elections" is probably not it. Sadly, I have to assume that this story wasn't included in my "Japanese Children's Favourite Stories" PDFs.

It could be a "line of ashes", but that seems off. And it's probably not from Urashima Tarou anyway.

Think less ember and more cinder.

iamnuff · Oct 27, 2013

yeah, exposing Menka's human form, or our ghetto moves is seriously a bad idea.

Ghetto moves we don't even have and will seriously piss off any watching hyuga, (not to mention, its hardly more effective than normal melee, fuck the chakra spikes, just hold a ACTUAL spike in each hand) and menka's human form is probably one of our biggest secrets.

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Really? Wikia says otherwise.

And they're wrong about the shadows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz38cv1nX1Y
Go to 8:14

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
What did you think I was talking about, Menka's human form? No. He doesn't even need that to use a sword, he normally uses his tail. I was talking about him Henging into Ino with Menka still on her shoulder.

Menka's human form IS henge, is it not?
And Neji can see through it.
Not worth the risk IMO.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
I question that.
And yet it's already done.

We did stupid shit within the confines of a written exam, no combat allowed.
This is combat, with potential lethal force engaged, and rules disallowing us from stacking the deck.
And we have Lupin playing adult chaperone in our head; he's already bugging us about smoking, so don't expect he will necessarily be a willing conspirator where not necessary.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
He is a Hyuuga, Branch or not, and they've got him pretty firmly controlled.

And still they didn't teach him the techniques in the beginning.
That's more an admission of weakness/fear than strength IMO.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Kakashi....well, yeah, big question mark there frankly. Student of Yellow Flash, too good to antagonize or otherwise waste, it's not like that Sharingan isn't better protected in his skull than most less talented Uchiha?

I expect lots of talks and negotiations, and finally some agreement about proliferation/who we can teach.
Not that it's likely to be easy to teach; amazing chakra control +sensor techniques in one person is not a common combo.

It would be cool to have one of our techniques labeled kinjutsu though.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 27, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
It's permitted, but only because someone good enough at taijutsu to make 'complete' use of the Jyuuken without a Byakugan comes along about once in a generation, and even then it's a lot of work that most people don't want to do. There's never been a perfect storm of visual-kinaesthetic learner/sensor/utter asshole to warrant a ban on showing Jyuuken moves to non-Hyuuga.

At least as far as the Hyuuga know.

This amuses me.

Incidentally, my ideal stylish win against Tenten without using much upper level stuff?

Break with Menka Henging into Ino and Menka, storm of Bunshin, discreet False Surroundings under cover that hopefully doesn't reveal our insane hand speed. Tenten is confused enough that she fails to pin down the right Ino-Menka in time.

Ino steals Tenten's weapon scroll. But surprise! False Surroundings makes Tenten think she's still hurling massive amounts of steel at us and we're dodging frantically, probably just what Tenten's dreamed of doing to us so it may be extra convincing. And she can't see the real Ino anymore, so real Ino and Menka are essentially invisible as she shoots as nothing.

Menka punches her face in, still as Henged as us. Because our Strength sucks so much I doubt we can even KO Tenten with a blow she can't see coming.

Ino henges into Menka's cat form and hops on Menka's Ino shoulder. We walk out of the ring have performed a big switcheroo in front of everyone with most people none the wiser.

Yes, I am aware jounin and possibly Neji will see through. On the score of Neji, Menka is an open secret amongst friends and Neji lives in Konoha, odds are he already knows about Menka. Jounin? Eh.

I did say this was for a style, and if we did pull it off we may end up reinforcing everyone's opinion that Menka is a Henge prop and that creative Henge is at least one of our main skills.

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Can you explain how it was ours and how we did it and kept it that long?

Chakra magic.
Duh.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
And for the record, Menka did his own henge.

Noted.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
There's a reason I wanted to have him open as a decoy, but him fighting as acceptable if needed.

Rather not.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
No, it doesn't. Just that we have a cat that fights with us, like Kiba has a dog that fights with him. Just because ours is not well known does not mean they'll go summon contract, just that we have a helper. He's been hanging around us a damn long time, most of our life in fact, it's not ideal but it's not a show stopper.

Akamaru is the product of a generations-long breeding program, famous across the country for it's quality.
As far as anyone else knows, Menka is a stray we picked up off the street.
There is a limit to just how much bullshit you can expect people to take, especially when the existence of a Cat Summoning Contract is explicitly known in this AU as native to Konoha and the Uchiha.
And Sasuke is our long time friend and current Uchiha clan head.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
But we can hear them and we can use them for that purpose. Stealing the stances and movements is not the same as manipulating tenketsu.

*checks*
Huh.
I didn't realize we could actually hear them.
Conceded.

Hymn of Ragnarok · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
And they're wrong about the shadows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz38cv1nX1Y
Go to 8:14[/quotes]

*shrugs*

I always thought the shadows were one of the main widespread flaws of bunshin.

Menka's human form IS henge, is it not?
And Neji can see through it.
Not worth the risk IMO.

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If Neji can see through it than he already knows from the first exam and it's a moot point.

We did stupid shit within the confines of a written exam, no combat allowed.
This is combat, with potential lethal force engaged, and rules disallowing us from stacking the deck.
And we have Lupin playing adult chaperone in our head; he's already bugging us about smoking, so don't expect he will necessarily be a willing conspirator where not necessary.

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Sorato. We did it there too, and that was with us channeling Lupin to boot.

And still they didn't teach him the techniques in the beginning.
That's more an admission of weakness/fear than strength IMO.

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Furiko chimed in on this just now, so I'll let her speak for it.

uju32 said:

Akamaru is the product of a generations-long breeding program, famous across the country for it's quality.
As far as anyone else knows, Menka is a stray we picked up off the street.
There is a limit to just how much bullshit you can expect people to take, especially when the existence of a Cat Summoning Contract is explicitly known in this AU as native to Konoha.

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I recall Uchiha having essentially a demo scroll for the Fortress-born Nekomata. Otherwise I do not believe it's known as native to Konoha.

And in point of fact, yeah actually. Some animals do just become chakra animals, usually from living in ninja villages. We met one such kitten as a kid. Us finding and raising one is within the realm of possibility.

*checks*
Huh.
I didn't realize we could actually hear them.
Conceded.

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Seriously? How did you think ghetto Jyuuken worked to begin with?

Scia · Oct 27, 2013

That reminds me what was your verdict on the corporeality of henge? We where after all lifted out of the pound by a henge so it is a bit more like true shapeshifting right?

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
If Neji can see through it than he already knows from the first exam and it's a moot point.

Nope.
Then it was deniable; IIRC Menka did little more than sit at the table.
Have him moving fighting under henge and you blow away any shreds of doubt.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Sorato. We did it there too, and that was with us channeling Lupin to boot.

Sorato was neither lethally armed, nor looking to kill us.
We had backup sitting in the carriage awaiting our word to jump in, and prelaid traps.
And we were sure we were better than him.
None of those hold true for this exam.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
I recall Uchiha having essentially a demo scroll for the Fortress-born Nekomata. Otherwise I do not believe it's known as native to Konoha.

Not a demo, the real thing.
Father explicitly told us to keep our cats secret BECAUSE of the Uchiha.
The last four Cat Summoners, from Hiraku down, have been Uchiha.
http://questionablequesting.com/index.php?topic=83.msg3606#msg3606
Tsumujikaze told us the story.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
And in point of fact, yeah actually. Some animals do just become chakra animals, usually from living in ninja villages. We met one such kitten as a kid. Us finding and raising one is within the realm of possibility.

Possible, but not plausible.
When you hear hooves in America, you think of horses, not zebras.
Occam's razor applies here.

So when you see a ninja, not of an animal training clan, and with access to a Summons contract, who has a animal companion doing chakra tricks, I think summon, not stray.

Hymn of Ragnarok said:
Seriously? How did you think ghetto Jyuuken worked to begin with?

Organ damage, just like Jyuuken is supposed to work without the Byakugan.

FurikoMaru · Oct 27, 2013

uju32 said:
Not a demo, the real thing.

No, it's the demo. The Uchiha managed to keep it a secret because their partners were a bunch of large cats and no one else was on the proper contract. That's explicitly spelled out in the Hiraku story; he left with a partial contract and that's what the Uchiha are stuck with.

uju32 said:
Possible, but not plausible.
When you hear hooves in America, you think of horses, not zebras.
Occam's razor applies here.

So when you see a ninja, not of an animal training clan, and with access to a Summons contract, who has a animal companion doing chakra tricks, I think summon, not stray.

When Kiri-nin see an eccentric ninja not of an animal training clan and with possible access to a Summons contract no one's seen a summon from in fifteen years who has an animal companion much smaller than the ones on the aforementioned contract that she met before she'd have had access to said hypothetical contract doing chakra tricks even an Academy student knows, they think they need to do more research and recon before they decide either way.

uju32 · Oct 27, 2013

FurikoMaru said:
No, it's the demo. The Uchiha managed to keep it a secret because their partners were a bunch of large cats and no one else was on the proper contract. That's explicitly spelled out in the Hiraku story; he left with a partial contract and that's what the Uchiha are stuck with.

That's not what your story says.
I quote

"<The Nekomata of the time was sure Hiraku was the next speaker; someone who takes to Nyango and other cat specialities like teeth to meat, making them an ideal partner for our leader or any one of us.>" Tsumujikaze very politely pretends not to note the jolt that goes through you at this. "<But the prophet at the time was unconvinced. Superficially, the signs would seem to match the prophecy for the next speaker; he was black of hair, a ninja, he had the drive to succeed that we demand in our contract holders, and he came to us on a cloudless, sunny morning in June. But there was something that wasn't quite right to the prophet; when you read his autobiography it seems almost as though he thought Hiraku dimwitted, or at least overly-friendly.>"
"<Eventually he left with the summoning contract, but without the title of speaker, and from then on we heard little of him but the battles he had been in.>

"<Then, on a cloudless morning in June, two years after Hiraku left us, his elder brother Chiaki arrived on our doorstep.>"

http://questionablequesting.com/index.php?topic=83.msg3606#msg3606
Contract yes, but no title.
No mention of a partial contract.

So if you changed your mind, you're gonna need to edit things.

FurikoMaru said:
When Kiri-nin see an eccentric ninja not of an animal training clan and with possible access to a Summons contract no one's seen a summon from in fifteen years who has an animal companion much smaller than the ones on the aforementioned contract that she met before she'd have had access to said hypothetical contract doing chakra tricks even an Academy student knows, they think they need to do more research and recon before they decide either way.

No need given them more datapoints if not necessary IMO.

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