Feudal Quest

[fitzgerald]

Minor Actions

> Ask Kat what a proper if small temple to Thoth would cost / take to build
> Write Ezti with an offer avoid tarrifs on arms by making an order alongside our own
> Get a cost estimate for what a simple wood and earth fort with a barracks would cost to build
> Write Chesna inquiring about the Capital.and her debut

Poachers

> Declare hunt seasons and limits
> New punishment starts with additonial weeks of labor

@Questers: Poachers are the main source of skilled archers. By making the hunt legal
we can recruit Skill 2 archers in the future. This is a good thing.

 

[Walkir]

The poachers might even allow us to bring the rangers back up to 20 again... this whole "units of 20" thing even had me disappointed for a moment because the casualties didn't bring us back to a flat multiple of 20 again...

Well, and I had hoped that would give our troops a skill up and ideally kill that Ditrik guy, but so is life.

 

[BFldyq]

*drums fingers* Okay, question: if the paperwork to designate Dita the heir to the was finished, and she then had a bastard son with Dominic, would that son be part of the Petran family? I mean, it would be the scandal of the century, but if the child is part of the Petrans, that means the family won't loose the barony to their rivals/enemies.

On a semi-related topic, would it be possible for Dominic, with his Flesh sorcery, to create a spell that ensures any resulting children of a specific copulation is of a specific sex?

 

[Seventeen]

Dominic
Arkeus is right, we (should) have the corpses of the beastmen we just slew. As creations of flesh magic, we should be able to discern some possible research projects from them, like we did with Inovia's Chosen. As mentioned earlier by Katiana, though, it's possible using Flesh sorcery on tainted, corrupted, or evil creatures could leave the user susceptible to those harmful magical influences, so we should have Dita on hand to assist with that like she does for Katiana. As for the Fire sorcery training, I've been quietly advocating training it up for a while now, and it'd be nice to have a combat application for it that doesn't require the target to be (a) in melee range anyway and (b) scared of fire.
[X] Examine Beastman corpses using Flesh sorcery for further applications.
[X] Train Fire Sorcery. On Beastman corpses.
[X] Train Fire Sorcery technique: Flammenwerfer

Minor Actions
[x] Reply to Boris accepting his suggestion, and in turn suggest Ezti as a marriage possibility, and that he meet her while he's in Corzu.
[x] Read book on Roman roads.
[x] Send letter to Gavrilla. Inform her that the Balzar girl is your preference for wife, but that she should hold off for the moment on attempting to arrange a marriage.
[x] Send letter to Baron Rogatica. Tell him that beastmen were sighted heading west towards the Lim, possibly onto his lands.
[x] Send letter to Ezti with a plan to avoid some of the large tariffs on river trade by making purchases through Dominic. Ask for any information Ezti has on a smuggling ring on the river, too.
[x] Send letters to both Lala and Chesna, asking about Chesna's debut.

Dita
Nothing is needed particularly urgently for Dita, but magic anti-demon powers are always good. She should train up her Holy powers, at least in part, by helping Dominic and Katiana in their actions by removing any taint or (in Dominic's case) harmful magical influences they're afflicted by.
[X] Train Holy Sorcery//Remove Taint: Dominic
[X] Train Holy Sorcery//Remove Taint: Katiana

Dita's Minor Actions
[x] Remove any taint Dominic contracts from his interaction with the beastmen corpses.
[x] Assist Katiana with removing taint while she works.

Bialis
Bialis doesn't have a whole lot to do when we're not killing things, and training for our military is kind of messed with by the new way we form units. Consider this action subject to change once the new force organisation has its stats up.
[X] Train 2nd Corzu Foot (Skill).

Jaroslaw
Traian's task, below, is going to require an escort of some kind. Given that

There are no roads at all to most of the hamlets, making it hard to even find them unless you're a ranger.

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Jaroslaw seems a perfect fit for the job. With the requisite troops accompanying him, of course.
[X] Escort Traian//Lead 1st Corzu Foot.

Traian
One of the most important improvements for the fief as a whole is roads. At the moment, we have half of our fief's settlements connected, and to a very poor road at that. The easiest way we can improve that situation at the moment, with our surplus of labour, is by clearing paths to our various hamlets. That'll only be the first stage, of course, with Roman style stone-laid roads and bridges coming when we have organised materials and perhaps magical improvements when Katiana has the time.
[X] Adventure?: Improve Corzu's Roads (Part I).
-[X] Find suitable paths to the hamlets that are unconnected with Jaroslaw's help.
-[X] Use Merchant and Engineering knowledge to calculate appropriate road sizes and positions, for further improvement.
-[X] Organise labour tax from hamlets and villages to clear enough vegetation for such roads.

Katiana
To be honest, I would rather put her on finishing her wizard staff, as it would improve her construction capabilities earlier and we'd get more done in the longer term, but given that we kind of need the space now and she's going to use her partial actions for it anyway, it's not the optimal choice at the moment.

@ShaperV: Will this month's action provide enough space for Dragos, or will the Keep's available space not increase until the repairs are entirely completed?
[X] Magical Construction: Repair the Keep.
For her partial action, she should either [X] Magical Construction: Unstable Cellar or [X] Craft Wizard Staff.

Dragos
We need to start getting our backlog of projects out of the way, and start using our labour tax before we lose it for the year. Starting Dragos off with a simple task that doesn't necessitate a military escort is a good idea.
[X] Clear the Grounds.

1st Corzu Foot - [X] Escort Traian.
2nd Corzu Foot - [X] Train with Bialis.
Corzu Garrison - [X] Garrison Corzu Keep.
Rangers - [X] Rest.


In case it's not clear from the above and my previous posts, I'm using the double slash (//) here to denote a combined action with multiple titles (in the case of leading troops on patrol, etc) or to provide extra information about a method of training (like Dita's actions above, although I've also followed that up with minor actions for her just to make sure).

 

[Arkeus]

Awesome post

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[X]Plan Seventeen

Make sure that Dita is practicing Holy Sorcery next to Dominic when he examines the beastmen of course. Likewise, Dominic MUST listen to her when she tells him to stop, as she has the most powerful ability to sense magic he has heard of yet.

other minor actions:
[X] Bring up the subject to Kat about White Witches and Thoth: do they have any? or is the spiritual guide preventing this somehow?
[X]Talk to Kat about Spiritual guides and Seekers.

*drums fingers* Okay, question: if the paperwork to designate Dita the heir to the was finished, and she then had a bastard son with Dominic, would that son be part of the Petran family? I mean, it would be the scandal of the century, but if the child is part of the Petrans, that means the family won't loose the barony to their rivals/enemies.

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Dita having a bastard with someone would probably mean she will get disinherited. Not quite sure though, something to ask ShaperV.

On a semi-related topic, would it be possible for Dominic, with his Flesh sorcery, to create a spell that ensures any resulting children of a specific copulation is of a specific sex?

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No reason it can't- or that Dominic couldn't learn to make sure to have twins, or to find out how to have children with powerful magic. Fertility magic is definitely something to research. So.Much.Stuff.To.Research.

Order: Analyze Katiana's Magic
Katiana's personal magic has a very different feel to it than Dita's, being aspected towards earth and air instead of light and holy power. But it's tied to her body and life force in a way that's somewhat similar. As long as she doesn't make a habit of depleting her magic she's unlikely to ever get sick, and will generally enjoying enhanced health and longevity. She's also a bit more durable than a normal person, and would probably be more resistant to hostile magic even without her wards.

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Air? Shouldn't it be fire? Can you confirm that please ShaperV?

 

[Seventeen]

It depends a lot on Borjerian beliefs about conception and birth, of course. They're not going to know that a sperm and an egg make a baby, or that identical twins are the result of a zygote splitting, or anything related to genetics. For all we know, Borjerian belief is that a part of the father's soul invades and conquers a part of the mother's, and the baby forms as a male or female depending on which half one. That's actually pretty close, as far as folk beliefs about conception go.

On that note, it'd start to be stretching my suspension of disbelief if Dominic was able to heal blood vessels -- the function of which wasn't known until the Renaissance, and even then it was debated. Medical knowledge is something a medieval lord simply wouldn't have, so keep that in mind when you're suggesting these kinds of things.

 

[Walkir]

That list with Arkeus' input looks good, yeah. I'd specify that he Keep will be built for us and other higher status people (not for maximum capacity) and includes the tower loft, but other than that...

Do you think we would be allowed to look into Kat's grimoire and make use of it while studying magic (for wizardry 1)?

 

[BFldyq]

Dita having a bastard with someone would probably mean she will get disinherited. Not quite sure though, something to ask ShaperV.

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Well, if the plans workable, it's a way to keep the fief in the family, and a way for Dominic to get more power. It would also be applicable with Chesna, but I think that's just getting greedy.

Of course, it may well set off a trend for females to be declared heir, then having bastards with their male cousins.

...And now I have the image of Dominic somehow managing to cast a heavy duty and unbreakable curse that causes all nobles that are not him or his descendants to barren with each other, or something along those lines. Have only a single noble family ruling the entire country.

 

[fitzgerald]

Dita cant be denied her inheritance without the Petrans loosing Verzi to her mothers family.

Now if she has a noble bastard (with say Dominic) the childs status as heir is very debatable

 

[Walkir]

Re: Resources and Status

Corzu Keep
A dilapidated structure consisting of a fortified manor house, a square keep (currently a burned-out shell) and a curtain wall with a few small towers. See Lore page for plans. The manor house has now been restored to normal operation, and is a reasonably comfortable place to live. However, several major projects are needed before the complex will be a fully functional castle:

• Unstable Cellars - The cellars beneath Corzu Keep have not been used in decades, and Kat reports there are several areas that are a bit unstable. She can repair the damage with two weeks of work, 10 man-months of labor tax and 10 SP cash, which will ensure nothing collapses when you start restocking your siege stores and otherwise using the space.

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Is that the Keep as in the castle as a whole or the Keep as in the castle's main tower?
If the latter, we should add it into the repair action so the damn thing doesn't collapse during the last repair action or something.

 

[fitzgerald]

Seventeen any reason you didnt include the minor action of estimating what a temple to Thoth would cost?

Apart from being a blatant statement of Dominic desiring a more permanent relationship with Kat it would at least give us an ideaof costs involved

 

[BFldyq]

Shaper mentioned that bastards between Nobles are eligible for inheritance. Meaning that Dita could declare the child her heir, which would be significantly easier if the child is male.

Shaper also mentioned that noble families who are at risk of losing a fief due to a lack of male heir tend to either divorce the wife, marry a new one and get busy, or get a noble mistress and declare any male bastards that result the heir. Both tend to piss off the (ex-)wife and her family, but it's often seen as a smaller problem then losing the fief.

What we're doing is pretty much the reverse: the mistress is one ruling the fief, and is having a male heir so the family keeps the fief. It'd be a scandal, no doubt, but it might be necessary.

 

[Seventeen]

Seventeen any reason you didnt include the minor action of estimating what a temple to Thoth would cost?

Apart from being a blatant statement of Dominic desiring a more permanent relationship with Kat it would at least give us an ideaof costs involved

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Mainly because I'm not that interested in it.

 

[Arkeus]

Shaper mentioned that bastards between Nobles are eligible for inheritance. Meaning that Dita could declare the child her heir, which would be significantly easier if the child is male.

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'Eligible' meaning "with an army you can make it stick". Right now the whole point of the thing is not to go to war over the barony, and given that the 2nd in line after Dita is a staunch ally of the Dardai...

Anyway, i think i'll also add a minor action for Kat while she is working on her staff/being with Dominic/Dita:
[x] Advise them on how she turns projects into mini-adventures.

 

[BFldyq]

'Eligible' meaning "with an army you can make it stick". Right now the whole point of the thing is not to go to war over the barony, and given that the 2nd in line after Dita is a staunch ally of the Dardai...

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Our goal is also to ensure that the Petrans don't lose the barony. What I'm suggesting might be way to do that, without forcing Dita into a bad situation(for her), while also increasing Dominics power, if only indirectly.

The downside, of course, is that it's horrible untraditional, means Dita would be "ruined" for marriage, and would probably cause a scandal.

If we want Dominic to avoid the hassle himself, we could get Boris to do it instead. But that a less optimal result, especially for Dominic.

Technically, this could also be applied to Chesna, but like I said above, that's just getting greedy, and it would likely be an even harder sell. It would also be stretching ourselves too thin, I believe.

 

[Arkeus]

Our goal is also to ensure that the Petrans don't lose the barony. What I'm suggesting might be way to do that, without forcing Dita into a bad situation(for her), while also increasing Dominics power, if only indirectly.

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I will argue that not only is forcing Dita to have a kid with Dominic much worse than convincing her to marry someone she approves of, but it also brings a much worse result, as it doesn't actually enforce the barony staying ours, while her marrying someone she approves of does.

 

[BFldyq]

I will argue that not only is forcing Dita to have a kid with Dominic much worse than convincing her to marry someone she approves of, but it also brings a much worse result, as it doesn't actually enforce the barony staying ours, while her marrying someone she approves of does.

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1) I never said to force her.
2) What approval? Please remember, Dita's opinion of the family is incredibly low, and she currently thinks that Duke Petran is hoping to marry her off, then bump her off.
3) As I mentioned, stuff like this has occurred before. The only difference is that it's a female doing it, instead of a male.
4) Dita has a good opinion of Dominic, possible even a crush.

 

[Walkir]

Yeah, no. We're not forcing anyone into our harem. That includes manufacturing circumstances that do force, and if these exist due to other reasons I'd propose another way out that isn't a mockery because it's worse or not feasible.
All ethics aside, that also saves us a lot of trouble and lets Dominic sleep easier.

 

[BFldyq]

Yeah, no. We're not forcing anyone into our harem. That includes manufacturing circumstances that do force, and if these exist due to other reasons I'd propose another way out that isn't a mockery because it's worse or not feasible.
All ethics aside, that also saves us a lot of trouble and lets Dominic sleep easier.

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That directed at me?

 

[Arkeus]

1) I never said to force her.

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So you are assuming that Dita will bring up the idea of having a kid by herself, when it means losing one year of her life when she needs to train heavily AND giving up her own kid to the Petran family.

2) What approval? Please remember, Dita's opinion of the family is incredibly low, and she currently thinks that Duke Petran is hoping to marry her off, then bump her off.

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Except we have plans to make Dita acceptable to the family, and Dita trust us enough to hear out those plans. We have confirmation that if Dita were to marry someone trusted by the family she could definitely go crusading for years (or being hidden as our retainers with disguise magic) wtihout any issue, without forcing her to bear kids. We just need to make sure that someone she marries is someone she herself trust. This is why we are planning to visit our grandfather's duchy and convince him to send all his loyal captains he was thinking of adopting and marrying to Dita for rotations in Corzu, so that Dita could pick if and any she likes.

3) As I mentioned, stuff like this has occurred before. The only difference is that it's a female doing it, instead of a male.

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No, what occured before is that the family of a bastard noble managed to put him in power. We have been told-repeatedly that the current political climate is such that we can't make waves and wars. Putting a Bastard from Dita as a 'heir' would create such a war, especially if that bastard comes from incest.

4) Dita has a good opinion of Dominic, possible even a crush.

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I am unsure what is your point there.

 

[BFldyq]

So you are assuming that Dita will bring up the idea of having a kid by herself, when it means losing one year of her life when she needs to train heavily AND giving up her own kid to the Petran family.

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Which will have to occur if she marries anyway. Also, we've got access to boat loads of magic here, and even more if Dominic marries Zarana. If we can't find a way to speed up pregnancies, I'll eat a wizard hat.

Except we have plans to make Dita acceptable to the family, and Dita trust us enough to hear out those plans. We have confirmation that if Dita were to marry someone trusted by the family she could definitely go crusading for years (or being hidden as our retainers with disguise magic) wtihout any issue, without forcing her to bear kids. We just need to make sure that someone she marries is someone she herself trust. This is why we are planning to visit our grandfather's duchy and convince him to send all his loyal captains he was thinking of adopting and marrying to Dita for rotations in Corzu, so that Dita could pick if and any she likes.

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Okay, I think I see the problem. My plan is an alternative to that, or possibly a Plan B. For example, what happens if Dita is against marrying any of them?

No, what occured before is that the family of a bastard noble managed to put him in power. We have been told-repeatedly that the current political climate is such that we can't make waves and wars. Putting a Bastard from Dita as a 'heir' would create such a war, especially if that bastard comes from incest.

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I think you may be overstating: the end result is no different then if she married and had a child with Dominic. The only difference is that the child would instead be a bastard, which ShaperV has already stated can inherit fiefs and titles.

It'd cause a scandal, but I don't think it'd cause a war.

I am unsure what is your point there.

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I'm saying that Dita may very well prefer this option.

 

[Jomiculormph]

Dita marrying an accepted courtier doesn't change the fact that the family is still going to try to exorcise the Inovia out of her - because this is more or less what the plan has been so far. The bastard option on the other hand, is much more cut-and-run - if Dita is opposed, then it's the end of that speculation. If not, then it's worth some more thought. Either way, there's no real harm in bringing this stuff up in a legitimate attempt to find a solution. Still, if she has a possible way to hand the barony off in exchange for freedom, I think she'd at least give it thought.

Relevant - Dominic's observation of the other chosen suggested that pregnancy would screw their power to high hell - and it would probably affect Dita too, to a lesser extent.


On the blood vessel healing - it's speculation. There's no harm in bringing it up, then discarding it if it's too meta. Ironflesh is still worth a thought.


Seventeen's list is mostly good, except for pushing the marriage with Zarana - it's WAY too soon to decide. Remember, she doesn't bring anything concrete, and IIRC how much the alliance would add wasn't stated, just that the family had been trying to build the alliance for years. On this note, all the (what amounts to) GET MARRIED NOW bullshit with Kat is again too much, far too fast (assuming we even want to - and I don't). Remember, Kat is useful, but hardly essential - and we could still introduce a second or third son of a family vassal to her.

 

[Arkeus]

Which will have to occur if she marries anyway. Also, we've got access to boat loads of magic here, and even more if Dominic marries Zarana. If we can't find a way to speed up pregnancies, I'll eat a wizard hat.

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No, it's been confirmed that Dita marrying someone loyal to the family means that she could disappear for 5-10 years before her needing a heir becomes an issue:

Quote from: Arkeus on 20-03-2014, 08:52:22
1°) If Dita were to be like Pavel, in the sense of being constantly away on crusades far from Berjoria, would the family still consider the need to kill her off, even if there are loyal family retainers taking care of Verzi?

Well, in order to make sure the family doesn't lose Verzi she'd need to marry someone trustworthy first. But once that's done it would actually be a nice solution. As long as she's out of the kingdom she isn't going to embarass the family, and as long as you can plausibly claim that she's still alive and in contact with you her relatives can't try to claim the barony. You could easily keep that going for 5-10 years before the question of children becomes urgent, and by then the king will be dead and your family will have either won or lost the fight for the crown.

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Okay, I think I see the problem. My plan is an alternative to that, or possibly a Plan B. For example, what happens if Dita is against marrying any of them? I think you may be overstating: the end result is no different then if she married and had a child with Dominic. The only difference is that the child would instead be a bastard, which ShaperV has already stated can inherit fiefs and titles.

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The difference is that she will need a child, that for bastard children from nobles to inherit there must be a war first, and that we'll bring shame to the Petran name and our wife, which will make it much harder for our family to have the crown.

Dita marrying an accepted courtier doesn't change the fact that the family is still going to try to exorcise the Inovia out of her - because this is more or less what the plan has been so far.

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As long as Dita isn't there to shame the family, they won't care about the Inovia thing. And the whole Inovia/exorcism is something that we can change via influence/persuasion.

The bastard option on the other hand, is much more cut-and-run - if Dita is opposed, then it's the end of that speculation. If not, then it's worth some more thought. Either way, there's no real harm in bringing this stuff up in a legitimate attempt to find a solution. Still, if she has a possible way to hand the barony off in exchange for freedom, I think she'd at least give it thought.

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The problem is it's not a legitimate mean.

Seventeen's list is mostly good, except for pushing the marriage with Zarana - it's WAY too soon to decide.

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Actually, it's late. We have been told that Gavrilla wants an answer by september and a formal betrothal by winter/spring, if not the marriage, and we are basically telling her to stale for time:

Dominic - Visit Castle Pisch for Negotiations
You agree to meet with Baron Balzar's daughter Zarana to investigate the possibility of a marriage alliance. Gavrilla is now expecting to hear a proposal from you by September, and is likely to start pressuring you to marry if she doesn't hear anything by then.

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Remember, Kat is useful, but hardly essential - and we could still introduce a second or third son of a family vassal to her.

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Keep in mind that Kat considers Dominic a very good prospect in part because of how ridiculously talented with magic we are.

 

[Walkir]

This is basically plan 17a – his with a few consolidations, so I won't comment on much.
I was sorely tempted to open a "Minor actions involving Kat" subsection...

Dominic
[X] Examine Beastman corpses using Flesh sorcery for further applications.
[X] Train Fire Sorcery. On Beastman corpses.
[X] Train Fire Sorcery technique: Flammenwerfer

Minor Actions
[X] Reply to Boris accepting his suggestion, and in turn suggest Ezti as a marriage possibility, and that he meet her while he's in Corzu.
[X] Read book on Roman roads.
[X] Send letter to Gavrilla. Inform her that the Balzar girl is your preference for wife, but that she should hold off for the moment on attempting to arrange a marriage.
[X] Send letter to Baron Rogatica. Tell him that beastmen were sighted heading west towards the Lim, possibly onto his lands.
[X] Send letter to Ezti with a plan to avoid some of the large tariffs on river trade by making purchases through Dominic. Ask for any information Ezti has on a smuggling ring on the river, too.
[X] Ask Kat what a proper if small temple to Thoth would cost / take to build
[X] Get a cost estimate for what a simple wood and earth fort with a barracks would cost to build
[X] Send letters to both Lala and Chesna, asking about Chesna's debut.
[X] Bring up the subject to Kat about White Witches and Thoth: do they have any? or is the spiritual guide preventing this somehow?
[X] Talk to Kat about Spiritual guides and Seekers.
[X] Carefully inquire if Kat would allow using her grimoire for basic wizardry studies.
> Such a book might well be considered personal (or prove useless to us), so don't assume it will work out. Or work out soon, I assume she needs it to make her staff, so using it now would cost us construction time later.

Dita
[X] Train Holy Sorcery//Remove Taint: Dominic
[X] Train Holy Sorcery//Remove Taint: Katiana

Dita's Minor Actions
[X] Remove any taint Dominic contracts from his interaction with the beastmen corpses.
[X] Assist Katiana with removing taint while she works.

Bialis
[X] Patrol//Lead 2nd Corzu Foot.

Jaroslaw
[X] Escort Traian//Lead 1st Corzu Foot.

Traian
[X] Adventure?: Improve Corzu's Roads (Part I).
-[X] Find suitable paths to the hamlets that are unconnected with Jaroslaw's help.
-[X] Use Merchant and Engineering knowledge to calculate appropriate road sizes and positions, for further improvement.
-[X] Organise labour tax from hamlets and villages to clear enough vegetation for such roads.
[edit]-[X] see if and where a tavern for merchants passing through would be appropriate.[/edit]

Katiana
[X] Magical Construction: Repair the Keep.
For her partial action, she should either [X] Magical Construction: Unstable Cellar or [X] Craft Wizard Staff.
> Craft the staff, unless there's a real danger the keep collapses if she doesn't fix that ASAP.

Dragos
[X] Clear the Grounds.

1st Corzu Foot - [X] Escort Traian.
2nd Corzu Foot - [X] Patrol.
Corzu Garrison - [X] Garrison Corzu Keep.

 

[bastur2]

On the Dita's front, I could support a bastard child, but it would deppend what happens in the future. For now just don't close what could be a way out for us.

I am much more concerned about what will happen with the beastmen situation.

The scapped to Rogatica, a militaristic and expansionist Fief.

I don't really believe that only a letter of warning after the fact will help to improve our situation here.

As we are the responsible a for them going that way.

 

[BFldyq]

No, it's been confirmed that Dita marrying someone loyal to the family means that she could disappear for 5-10 years before her needing a heir becomes an issue:

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*shrugs* True enough, but like I said: if we can't find a way to speed up a pregnancy, I will be very surprised.

The difference is that she will need a child, that for bastard children from nobles to inherit there must be a war first, and that we'll bring shame to the Petran name and our wife, which will make it much harder for our family to have the crown.

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Your making an assumption here that'll cause a war. And shame? Probably, but it's almost certainly a lesser problem to losing the barony.

The problem is it's not a legitimate mean.

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Considering ShaperV has mentioned it as a method to keep a fief already, it probably is legitimate.

Anyway, this whole discussion is officially us putting the cart before the horse. Let's wait for ShaperV to clarify the issue: any bastards may not count as part of the Petran family, but of Dita's mothers family, which renders the plan moot.

 

[Jomiculormph]

The problem is it's not a legitimate mean.

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Sure it is - it's through blood, and that's the important part. She'd then abdicate or 'disappear' - her mother's side only gets the finger, while the barony is secure due to the blood link.

Dita marrying an acceptable courtier still doesn't change the whole exorcism deal - if that was an option, she'd have taken it already. Besides, crusading is dangerous and she could still get killed before she produces an heir that way.

Honestly, the best solution would be for Dominic to marry her - he doesn't care about the Inovia stuff, and it keeps the barony in the family without gaming succession. Chesna's husband would be obligated to the family by marriage, so that's secure on its own for a generation. Then, the possibility of engaging Izabela to Rogatica would obligate him to the family. With the pressure on Ezti then relieved, she could well throw in with the Petrans on her own (she could also marry a Petran vassal's first son, and throw into our camp regardless - but that would make an enemy out of Rogatica).

Zarana only really adds the alliance. In this case, Boris marrying her would give far more resources for plotting - we only have Corzu, while he'd get a barony at first, then the whole duchy. Intrigue also has a nasty habit of giving people a bad reputation -not something I want to see Dominic getting tarred with (especially if there's already the scandal from the side marriage to Kat). It could prove useful - it could just as easily backfire.




A side marriage to Kat is hardly essential - and for the Lord route we seem to be taking, is actually a rather hefty disadvantage - since it's a scandal, and we won't have a hero's reputation to counteract it. Also, while Kat may consider Dominic a good catch, the side marriage doesn't really guarantee Dominic anything other then her continued service - and if not, she's still not going to head off immediately. Marriage issue aside, she's got a decent situation serving Dominic. Further, between a vassal's second or third son or someone among the refugees, there could well be an acceptable runner-up to her. It bears repeating - she's a useful retainer, not an alliance or landholding prospect.

 

[Walkir]

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While a side marriage with Kat might not be a very good move on the political scheme... we want it OOC, she's smoking hot, very useful and the guy is 18.
If it turns out to be a mistake, it's a mistake that's very much in character... and not resulting in a Red Wedding because Zarana seems to accept being part of harem.

 

[Arkeus]

A side marriage to Kat is hardly essential - and for the Lord route we seem to be taking, is actually a rather hefty disadvantage - since it's a scandal, and we won't have a hero's reputation to counteract it. Also, while Kat may consider Dominic a good catch, the side marriage doesn't really guarantee Dominic anything other then her continued service - and if not, she's still not going to head off immediately. Marriage issue aside, she's got a decent situation serving Dominic. Further, between a vassal's second or third son or someone among the refugees, there could well be an acceptable runner-up to her. It bears repeating - she's a useful retainer, not an alliance or landholding prospect.

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While Kat is a serious alliance in some ways as she brings a lot of money, a lot of knowledge and possibly some connections with Egyptians and Efreets, i totally agree that it may be possible to gain all of this as long as she stays a retainer.

Marrying or not marrying Kat is basically something that will only become a issue quite a bit after Dominic is married to Zarana. The issue currently is mainly to make sure Kat knows she has chances to marry us OR/AND that she is going to continue growing in power by staying our retainer, as well as potentially meeting other matches beside Dominic (Old Man of the moutain?).

If we risk losing Kat i'd prefer marrying her to that, but to be honest the best possibility for me would be for Kat to stay our retainer and find her own boytoys. Still, i know that some people actually want Dominic to marry, so i must make sure we are going in a direction where Dominic will stand to gain regardless.

(Skipped the rest of the post because by now this has become beating a dead horse).

 

[BFldyq]

If we risk losing Kat i'd prefer marrying her to that, but to be honest the best possibility for me would be for Kat to stay our retainer and find her own boytoys.

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She can't do that if married?