General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

[Wwind]

This gets the SI stamp approval. Good work, carry one Cainite.

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Sure, it only works because it's a SI MC.
If we look from the side and knowing how demons in WoD work, one should be more vary of a helpful Baali, then obvious infernalist.

In general I keep reading the fic and it's okaaay... I guess? though mood is not really WoD. A bit too much modern plucky protag energy.

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Another moment, but more about general WoD. The Mokole were made too... human-ish? They should be much more alien in mindset. Especially with racial memory being a thing. There were some inklings of that in the W20 changing breeds book, but not enough to really weave an interesting story. Like relatively recently awakening from let's say sleeping genetic code in reptiles of the world. Seeing whole human civilization and species as basically a passing fad, a blink of an eye. Basically seeing upcoming Apocalypse more of a cleansing of the place from the annoying mammals then a real issue. Which does hold some sense when we remember that Crocodiles are very resistant to pollution, toxins, radiation, can go a year without food and are nearly bulletproof. When the shit hits the fan in WoD, humanity and garou would be gone long before Mokole.
Would also give some nuance to the general enmity with werewolves, instead of doges getting amgry and other side still salty after many millennia.
One other thing Mokole could easily have had is just paying attention to the fact that they have quite low level combination of gifts where they can give themselves something like INT10-15 and even more for a night. Really plays into "incomprehensible ancient intelligences" angle. XD

So I'm not sure they actually know that a vampire can do stuff like "coerce someone to do something".

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It is too complicated a concept XD
To be fair I didn't expect anything different. No big game company in 2025 is gonna have balls to make a proper WoD game. I honestly thought it would come out even worse.

 

[Ragura]

Silverskink has some good Mokole stories. Still very much on the human side but she explores the mythical side.

 

[shadowdice]

I forgot that Twilight is set near seattle

How did they not have a joke about sparkling thinbloods in Paradox's game?

Elder: Fledgeling, why are the thin bloods talking about glitter and yellow objects to put in their eyes

Fledgeling: Please, please, please, end them

 

[Cimbri]

Hey so question for the thread: My understanding of vampires was that they don't do sex or even feel lust really anymore and needs to make an effort to even pretend.
They can feel romantic feelings divorced from that but there's no want to put tab A into slot B.
Aside from the memory of it and nostalgia.

High Humanity on the path might reactivate shit like that and there are rituals that manage to make it possible for scenes/a day.
I usually thought it neatly explained why vamps spend so much time conspiring: When a person no longer wants or needs sex it frees up a lot of time and takes away an outlet (same with food but not as much).

It is how I explained it to others and played it but now a lot of fics seems to disregard it?
So I'm either stupid and have missed something or it is different between versions?

 

[Maragas]

Hey so question for the thread: My understanding of vampires was that they don't do sex or even feel lust really anymore and needs to make an effort to even pretend.
They can feel romantic feelings divorced from that but there's no want to put tab A into slot B.
Aside from the memory of it and nostalgia.

High Humanity on the path might reactivate shit like that and there are rituals that manage to make it possible for scenes/a day.
I usually thought it neatly explained why vamps spend so much time conspiring: When a person no longer wants or needs sex it frees up a lot of time and takes away an outlet (same with food but not as much).

It is how I explained it to others and played it but now a lot of fics seems to disregard it?
So I'm either stupid and have missed something or it is different between versions?

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Somewhat, sexuality is a big part of VTM.

Spoiler: Sensual

It just, outright feeding is a way better feeling for vampires. Or as it says "Sex is great, but nothing truly replaces the ecstasy of feeding for a vampire"

Spoiler

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Hey so question for the thread: My understanding of vampires was that they don't do sex or even feel lust really anymore and needs to make an effort to even pretend.

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I think it's important to note how sex has changed for vampires.

The sexual organs of a kindred are not the now vestigial genitalia they had as a human. But their fangs. At least, that's how I see it. That's why it feels sexually good to feed for all parties (except giovanni victims).

It's how they feed, it's how they reproduce. Fangs are the new sexual organ of kindred.

The Kindred are basically sexual predators. Seduction is a great way to get people alone for a feeding, and why not take two bp, spend one on the blush of life and boink? Feed again later.

That said, Kindred certainly don't feel sexual feelings the same way as before. But it still feels plenty good.

 

[Ragura]

Just found an interesting documentary on the IRL cultural origins of vampires

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7CsRZK_yL4

 

[shadowdice]

Hey so question for the thread: My understanding of vampires was that they don't do sex or even feel lust really anymore and needs to make an effort to even pretend.
They can feel romantic feelings divorced from that but there's no want to put tab A into slot B.
Aside from the memory of it and nostalgia.

High Humanity on the path might reactivate shit like that and there are rituals that manage to make it possible for scenes/a day.
I usually thought it neatly explained why vamps spend so much time conspiring: When a person no longer wants or needs sex it frees up a lot of time and takes away an outlet (same with food but not as much).

It is how I explained it to others and played it but now a lot of fics seems to disregard it?
So I'm either stupid and have missed something or it is different between versions?

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There are vampires that do have sex in addition to feeding. The thing is that feeding/The Kiss is an addictive and highly pleasurable sensation in addition to the fact that most vampires need to spend blood to well Activate their sexual organs to use them and generally prefer the act of feeding to insert/press part A/B into or against slot A/B/C

Then comes aspects like trusting the partner, and if the partner is a vampire or not because Kindred have a whole thing about disliking those who actually have real sex with humans.

Which then gets into the classic infertility aspect and "Hey, do you want to make a deal with a demon to be able to have kids again" along with the discipline powerrs/rituals that activate human biological processes.

 

[Cimbri]

Right thanks for the answers although I did know the feeding=bliss/orgasm thing.
Just figured that precluded vampire/vampire feelings about it or at least made it taboo (diabliere, bloodbond and yes I know the traditions around bloodbonds).
But thanks for clarifying.

 

[shadowdice]

For my vampire game where the players are fighting demon judge Holden I am debating if I want to have Blood Meridian being similar to Dracula where it is someone having told an author historical events or if a demon/bane just really liked that book

Mainly because of the book happened I have an excuse for there to be a family of were bears with a Vendetta against Judge Holden for killing their great grandfather

 

[Ragura]

I would go with historical events

 

[heralding_bubble]

demon judge Holden

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ngl every time I see you mention him the name makes me think of a wandering demonic judge-jury-executioner Holden Shearer >.>

 

[Bommel]

Just found an interesting documentary on the IRL cultural origins of vampires

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7CsRZK_yL4

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Great video, though one thing that the video did miss is the novel Carmilla by Irish author Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu, which came out 25 years before Bram Stoker's Dracula.
It's the story responsible for the sexual and attractive female vampire, as well as the lesbian vampire archetype.

To be clear, Carmilla from the novel is very clearly a monster, not some misunderstood tragic sad person, as she chooses to drain her victoms to death and kill them, even when she could have easily not have.
That said, she isn't a total monster like Dracula, because Carmilla appears to feel guilt occasionally over what she does, and genuinely cares for Laura (the protagonist).

 

[LeftWaiting]

Right thanks for the answers although I did know the feeding=bliss/orgasm thing.
Just figured that precluded vampire/vampire feelings about it or at least made it taboo (diabliere, bloodbond and yes I know the traditions around bloodbonds).
But thanks for clarifying.

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Granted there are mutually-bonded pairs of Kindred out there, it's just not seen as something you talk about in public for a variety of reasons.
Codependent is putting it lightly, also the fact that the Sabbat do exactly that to lessen in-fighting in packs, etc.

 

[S.I.N]

Ok. New to this thread, but I have a question for yall

Do y'all like the VTM clans or the VTR clans better? The Apocalypse or Forsaken Tribes?

I think everyone agreed the Lost was better than the Dreaming when it came to changelings

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I just like the hunter's and inferno myself from new world of darkness.

 

[Ragura]

Great video, though one thing that the video did miss is the novel Carmilla by Irish author Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu, which came out 25 years before Bram Stoker's Dracula.
It's the story responsible for the sexual and attractive female vampire, as well as the lesbian vampire archetype.

To be clear, Carmilla from the novel is very clearly a monster, not some misunderstood tragic sad person, as she chooses to drain her victoms to death and kill them, even when she could have easily not have.
That said, she isn't a total monster like Dracula, because Carmilla appears to feel guilt occasionally over what she does, and genuinely cares for Laura (the protagonist).

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There is also Varney, from 1847, which had a tragic vampire (though still a monster) and might have inspired Mount Doom in Lord of the Rings IMO

 

[vighzs]

For my vampire game where the players are fighting demon judge Holden I am debating if I want to have Blood Meridian being similar to Dracula where it is someone having told an author historical events or if a demon/bane just really liked that book

Mainly because of the book happened I have an excuse for there to be a family of were bears with a Vendetta against Judge Holden for killing their great grandfather

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Both answers could be true. Blood Meridian might have been based off real events Dracula style, but there might be also copycat demons around that decided to mimic/follow the original.

Getting surrounded by a gang of Holden look alikes led by the original sounds like a nightmare scenario

 

[Ragura]

Getting surrounded by a gang of Holden look alikes led by the original sounds like a nightmare scenario

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The Judge and the Jury

 

[vighzs]

The Judge and the Jury

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That's an apt name for them.

Thinking on it the opposite scenario would be equally terrifying.

A bunch of demons decided to copy Holden thinking he was just the creation of an infernalist/in the know mortal.

Then during a big or final comfrontation with the party the real one shows up and decides to show how things are properly done. And considering his deeds that show might not be centered around the PC's.l, but the copycat gang

 

[Gereh]

With the reason stuff that got discussed on here, I once again got reminded how weird it is that VtR isn't more popular around here. Like come on Circle of the Crone vamps maybe perfect for QQ.

They have that whole deal of getting in state of ecstasy to communicate with the blood-gods, and the methods to do that include "physical extortion" until their mind goes blank and "sex" (especially weird bondage sex and sense deprivation). Or to combine the two, you can "goon hard enough to communicate with god".

Also Cruac aka the Circles special blood magic style is pretty cool, like they can make a "super love/lust potion" and/or make someone "hyper fertile", but one of the coolest thing is this 5 dot ritual:

Article:

Birthing the God: With this ritual, an Acolyte opens themselves up to the creative force of the Crone. Their coven convenes and each contributes Vitae and body parts as a sacrifice. The body parts can come from anywhere - from anything - but must be connected as part of the ritual and must be enough to build a full, roughly humanoid form. The coven determines the god's name, with each participant contributing one word to the epithet title. With the name, the blood, and the body, a thing exists where there was none before and once crafted, the god rapidly grows inside the ritualist before bursting out of them. Each such "god" is different; some patchwork abominations, some strange amalgamations of numerous features, some otherworldly beautiful. No matter the form, these monsters are alien and unsettling.

Source: Secrets of the Covenants

So yeah, you can get together with your coven and goon and/or throw wild orgies to communicate with the gods until you are powerful enough to create your own baby eldritch abomination. If this isn't the most QQ thing ever, I don't know.

So feels kind weird that nobody seems to ever talk about that.

 

[shadowdice]

As a bit on the Ghouled Revenant Vulture Bee Honey Wasp hybrids (my players have not made the check that both can be found in Mexico. Which my players out of character know Shaitan is over there and would likely be Incredibly Happy to realize the Baali had not made these before), my players have yet to check out what the Honey of the bees is being used for though I believe they've figured out that there are staked vampires somewhere being used as hives to get Kindred Vitae honey in addition to blood honey (and also accelerate the process of making the ghouled bee generations into revenants)

if I haven't mentioned it already the revenant bees have been altered to be able to inject their larvae into others using wasp DNA

City Gangrel Player: *regretting that he doesn't have fortitide* everyone that worked on this project needs to die

 

[Wwind]

With the reason stuff that got discussed on here, I once again got reminded how weird it is that VtR isn't more popular around here. Like come on Circle of the Crone vamps maybe perfect for QQ.

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Oh yeah. I remember that one. Very QQ ritual sure. Coils of the drakon are also cool. Tho less hentai.

So feels kind weird that nobody seems to ever talk about that.

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I think it's just CoD in general is less popular. But yeah, there is all sorts of kinky shit in CoD. There is that one master mage, last of his cursed bloodline doing ALL sorts of weird hentai staff to have a kid. I think it was in night horrors or summoners book. The Last something...

Geist Underworld has the river which enchanted whoever drinks it's (non refilling) water with unnatural fertility. Yes even dead things. There is actually cthonians- special classification for creatures born in underworld. One way or another. Also mentions deadlords and sin eaters both getting into some freaky shit. Or Mage necromancers if you want more flexible powers. There was an example of dead junkie girl desperately trying to get into the pants of a passing necromancer just to get out of underworld. In summoner handbook.

Changelings are sorta sterile by default (if still the case in e2) but goblin fruits and contracts help there. With the variety of weird life in the Hedge, you could really go nuts. There are even examples of monstergirl brothel and sex genie (banished fae).

Forsken i am not sure about, but there are the Pure, who tend to take over and rule small human towns from the shadows. So if you want your own hentai town, that is very much possible.
Or, you could go and play as one of the changing breeds - superficial, but OP and can have reason why MC isn't tied to one of the main factions. There were hentai abduction affecionado fishman (with hydrophobia), all sorts of big meaty brawlers of predatory shifters (bears, tigers, moose), harem inclined werebaboons, very nice corn-cult devil-made redneck were-hellhounds.

Beasts just have mobility with Lair primordial pathways being able to open in any adjacent worlds and ability to recognize other supernaturals on sight and near automatic good first impression.
One thing to Also not forget - beasts have the easiest time of all getting to Astral. Which contains all fictional stories and archetypal realms. You could have crossover with any media you want. Most characters do not even realize they are imaginary. Generally only archetypes that are inhumanly intelligent, wise or canny do.
Also no morality stat to consider before abducting someone fancy into your Lair. Be it in astral, physical world or others. Hell, Promethians would pay good money to be allowed to live in Beast head. They crazy-radiation doesn't work there. Some changelings would too. Gentry are really not keen on getting into there even for their lost toys.

The rest i am not familiar much with. But remember God machine manufacturing literal tentacle beasts in Demon book part. Though those were more beasts of war then hentai. Even went into detail how they weren'trrally made to reproduce outside of lab, so went a bit hard even on horses. Or giving details on operation for c-section on pregnant lab escapee - to not spook the tentacle baby. Who could and would just tear itself out if startled.

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Though I do not get on the other hand why WoD garou/BsD, ratkin/ajaba and anansi/kumo, or even darker changelings like unsilie satirs, winter fae, or even redcaps and huakai'po are not in more demand.

The garou get that mandate to breed, to a point where being infertile gives you social maluses. While Primal Urge is pretty much installed hypnosis roofies (especially older editions). Which BSDs take to another level with very enthusiastic struggle snuggles (by the way not really a crime when with human even in garou society). BSD just apply it equally to whoever is weaker. W20 even mentions the taking a turn towards more selfish and eldritch goals with princes of the apocalypse faction and spirit archeology.
Kumo/Hatar are pretty much BSDs with less drawbacks (mutations, insanity, inbreeding) and actual secret support of the rest of ananasi. They also like to cosplay with vampires. Kumo specifically have some interesting gifts like Wyrmling Kinship, Snare of Beuty, etc. A lot of potential.
Ratkin, Ajaba and Rokea sorta go together because they are very violent, savage and very much into "breed now" mode. With things like human laws at the bottom of concern list.
Ajaba got decimated and now are in much hurry to recover their numbers. Also scattered around the world. They are in a state where they run with all sorts of allies including BSDs. Read up a bit on hyenas before starting tho. Gonna be fun
Ratkin are prepping for the apocalypse pronto. Human ratkin are also noted to be "breeding irreconcilably" XD which is a funny notion with these guys. As a rat you also can get nearly anywhere. So home invasions are pretty easy.

its worth noting that both of these guys as a species were tasked with killing humans. So its pretty much free game.

Rokea are a thing in itself. After getting nuked they had biological "breeding switch" flipped to recover their numbers and are always horny. Even have exclusive drawback for that. Their only sin is dying, everything else is permitted.

*Mokole I just like. And they have Tides of Lust and fertility boosting charms canonically.

Now for Fae. Satirs have magic drugs built in. You can imagine what unseelie ones are doing with it.
Redcaps just don't much care. I mean... they have rules for eating children alive and only note is to keep it private XD

Huakai'Po just have their blessing birthright. Amusingly meaning you can seduce anyone, no matter their preferences or social barriers. not even rape, you just roll to seduce and succeed, cuz Dark Gods (fomorians) will it.

i am sure i missed a few. Like those were cockroahces that simply breed true so one of them getting out is actually a potential KX end of the world scenario the medieval vampires have demonic pacts to have children and Dark Ages fae just casually mentions "human stables".

if I haven't mentioned it already the revenant bees have been altered to be able to inject their larvae into others using wasp DNA

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Sounds legit. Some insects already do that.

 

[NoFunposter]

As a bit on the Ghouled Revenant Vulture Bee Honey Wasp hybrids (my players have not made the check that both can be found in Mexico. Which my players out of character know Shaitan is over there and would likely be Incredibly Happy to realize the Baali had not made these before), my players have yet to check out what the Honey of the bees is being used for though I believe they've figured out that there are staked vampires somewhere being used as hives to get Kindred Vitae honey in addition to blood honey (and also accelerate the process of making the ghouled bee generations into revenants)

if I haven't mentioned it already the revenant bees have been altered to be able to inject their larvae into others using wasp DNA

City Gangrel Player: *regretting that he doesn't have fortitide* everyone that worked on this project needs to die

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Reminds me of the second ghost encounter in Spirit Hunter: Death Mark.

Basically the ghost of a beekeeper that roams around a suicide forest drilling holes in corpses to convert them into beehives, and doesn't particularly care if it has to make someone dead to do so.

Spoiler: Graphic + Trypophobia warning

Spoiler: Death Mark Spoilers

Still love the twist ending to the first game.

"What? You think the haunted goth loli doll giving you exposition about the death curse forcing you to Mystery Inc. all these hauntings is any different from all the other ghosts you've encountered just because she's a cute series mascot type character?"

"You do remember that your sister was murdered in that house, right?"

"Ghost? You think the doll is just a ghost? Why do you think all these other demented spirits are manifesting for a night parade? This amalgamation of curses your ancestors created cannot be extinguished."

10/10 generational curse.
"Your ancestors shoved so many innocent virgin sacrifices in this thing it achieved Curse Criticality and the IJA tried to weaponise it, enjoy living with the Literal Demon Core and innocently evil manifestation of generational guilt."

 

[Vague Wanderer]

On the subject of lewds in Chronicles of Darkness, reminder that this is 2e's description of Thyrsus in the Free Council:

Free Council: Shamanism is humanity's first heritage. Ecstasy
is its universal spiritual path. These twin truths tell the Free
Council that Sleepers never forgot about the Supernal. They
know the oldest ways to touch it, and soar so close to it in moments
of pain and pleasure. It's time to help ordinary people
take up the tools they already know and call to the hidden realm
that beckons, demanding to rekindle old loves and obligations.

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An idea I've toyed with repeatedly is a Free Council or Nameless Legacy based on that highlighted part, which basically takes the "Ecstasy is the universal spiritual path" and concludes that lots of sex is the best way to power/enlightenment. There are a couple of different ways that might work, ranging from a girl just mindfucking herself into a horny bimbo to farm XP, and the rest of her Cabal having to deal with the fact that this seems to be working, to a more elaborate conspiracy where the "Red Light Wardens" have arranged to legalize prostitution and are running the cleanest red light district in the country in the hope that maximizing the mind blowing sex will increase the number of awakenings.

 

[kamenhero25]

On the subject of lewds in Chronicles of Darkness, reminder that this is 2e's description of Thyrsus in the Free Council:


An idea I've toyed with repeatedly is a Free Council or Nameless Legacy based on that highlighted part, which basically takes the "Ecstasy is the universal spiritual path" and concludes that lots of sex is the best way to power/enlightenment. There are a couple of different ways that might work, ranging from a girl just mindfucking herself into a horny bimbo to farm XP, and the rest of her Cabal having to deal with the fact that this seems to be working, to a more elaborate conspiracy where the "Red Light Wardens" have arranged to legalize prostitution and are running the cleanest red light district in the country in the hope that maximizing the mind blowing sex will increase the number of awakenings.

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Amusingly, there's literally a BDSM Legacy in 1e, though it's Obrimos (they gain Life as a third Arcana though). They literally use sub-space to enter into a trance and channel magic more efficiently. So the writers are 100% on board with your idea

 

[Vague Wanderer]

Amusingly, there's literally a BDSM Legacy in 1e, though it's Obrimos (they gain Life as a third Arcana though). They literally use sub-space to enter into a trance and channel magic more efficiently. So the writers are 100% on board with your idea

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There's also the Chrysalides and the Daksha, which are weird, in different ways. The Chrysalides are a Seer Legacy, that basically transforms themselves into a super attractive "Swan" form at the cost of having to spend the rest of their time as an ugly husk. But at the same time, the Daksha are a weird Life/Obrimos legacy that's all about turning yourself into an "enlightened" three eyed hermaphrodite, and that Legacy apparently just lets you permanently change yourself at the third attainment, which kind of suggests the Chrysalides might just have a skill issue.

But yeah, initial idea basically came from looking at the conditions in the back of the book, and realizing it'd be pretty easy to argue for a one dot compelling spell to apply the Swooned condition to yourself. At which point the user gets a beat as soon as they voluntarily fail whatever social test the person they're swooning towards tries. So it appears one of the simpler ways to powerlevel in Mage is to just mindfuck yourself into a bunch of one night stands. Which has some odd implications, to say the least, on the nature of enlightenment if someone could just do this for a couple of weeks and gain Gnosis.

I mean, the sane answer is that it doesn't work that way in setting; Beats are a gameplay abstraction. At bare minimum, if a player tried to do this to me as GM, I'd probably require a different condition, where they have to actually pass a check with a penalty to get the beat, rather than just voluntarily failing. But at the same time, the idea that some Nameless Mage who awakened while working in a small town whorehouse and has power leveled her way to like Gnosis 8 via the power of sex is honestly kind of hilarious. Especially as something to drop in front of a party of player characters who aren't expecting any serious opposition as they pursue their enemy to some tiny brothel in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Ragura]

At bare minimum, if a player tried to do this to me as GM, I'd probably require a different condition, where they have to actually pass a check with a penalty to get the beat, rather than just voluntarily failing. But at the same time, the idea that some Nameless Mage who awakened while working in a small town whorehouse and has power leveled her way to like Gnosis 8 via the power of sex is honestly kind of hilarious. Especially as something to drop in front of a party of player characters who aren't expecting any serious opposition as they pursue their enemy to some tiny brothel in the middle of nowhere.

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The test could be stamina (with the difficulty increasing as they get extra freaky - if they fail they still get beats but also damage) or willpower (otherwise they get emotionally attached to their partner and swooned works only with them).
Another idea could be a camgirl that gooned herself into mind control power and technomancy - this also would work really well as a Chrysalides