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Loki: The God of Magic

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Williams1996 said:
Maybe Vibranium i highly doubt it though its no where near valuable enough to swap for uru unless its a literal mountain of it and adamantium is a man made metal im sure the dwarves could already make something similar or better.
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I thought Adamantium was from space like vibranium? Or am I miss-remembering?
 
Williams1996 said:
Wonder what it is that is so valuable he could trade it for uru
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Larger quantities of Vibranium, information, and perhaps some of his magical expertise.

Williams1996 said:
Maybe Vibranium i highly doubt it though its no where near valuable enough to swap for uru unless its a literal mountain of it and adamantium is a man made metal im sure the dwarves could already make something similar or better.
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Uru might be worth more, but not that much more. I'd put it at a 3 to 1 ratio. Maybe so much as 7 to 1, depending on your interpretation.

But considering recent events, I'm starting to veer more towards something the Dark Elves left behind.

readsalot said:
I thought Adamantium was from space like vibranium? Or am I miss-remembering?
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In most interpretations it is. But there are a couple where it's either an alloy of Vibranium and some other metals, or just a general alloy with an unknown formula.

Most come back to it being an alloy based on a metal from outer space however, and a large portion of those has it appearing suspiciously close to where they found the vibranium originally.

So I've always seen it as being an alloy based on vibranium. More durable, but not able to store/transmit energy the way vibranium can.

Most today view adamantium as inferior. But most of the earlier comics clearly show it to be superior. Until much later when speeches were made by the IP holders, talking about adamantium as inferior to vibranium - Although simultaneously stating things about it, that at the time, were not at all true. This was back in the early days of Marvel Studios (not to be mistaken with the marvel brand, that has existed since the middle of WW2. Or rather somewhat before that, but the first marvel cinema is from that time).

A lot of old fans view Adamantium as superior. A lost formula of pure genius, using vibranium as a base to create a much stronger metal. But the modern take have them at about equal (with a majority arguing that vibranium has far more use cases, and can do more), with each being better in different ways. With the MCU in mind, that's also my take on it (although I don't argue vibranium to be superior, just having different uses). Not for the comics though.
 
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readsalot said:
I thought Adamantium was from space like vibranium? Or am I miss-remembering?
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Ahtu said:
In most interpretations it is. But there are a couple where it's either an alloy of Vibranium and some other metals, or just a general alloy with an unknown formula.
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I double checked the wiki in case i was wrong but yeah it does say its a man made substance in the movies and comics though there has been so many in some it might have been space metal and i just cant remember.
 
Williams1996 said:
I double checked the wiki in case i was wrong but yeah it does say its a man made substance in the movies and comics though there has been so many in some it might have been space metal and i just cant remember.
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I will stat with cautioning you about trusting wiki's or AI's so blindly. But then also note that yes, it's generally considered an alloy/"man-made." But the vast majority of sources, including the marvel movies, has the main ingredient coming from space, somewhere in the southern parts of Africa (exact location varies with the version).

You can see this in a lot of the Wolverine/X-men movies. With Stryker being there with his team to dig it out/stealing it from those who dug it out (depending on which one you're looking at).

I'm not sure if all of the movies even hint that it might be an alloy... At least a couple of them do as I recall. But I think the first one just has the part where they get something from a meteor in Africa, with only the vaguest hint that it may have been an alloy based on it. No statements involved.

See, if you ask an AI this:
Adamantium based on space ingredients?

"Adamantium is a fictional metal alloy from Marvel Comics, known for its indestructibility, but it does not have a basis in real space ingredients or materials. Its creation involves a secret mixture of chemical resins, and it is not derived from any known elements in space."


But if you ask it like this (Adamantium based on space ingredients, dig in africa, Stryker), you get this reply:

"Adamantium is a fictional metal created in the Marvel universe, developed by William Stryker and his team during the Weapon X program. It is said to have been created using an unknown element found in a meteorite discovered in Africa, and is famously bonded to Wolverine's skeleton, making him nearly indestructible."

Considering all of the takes, hints, versions, and overall picture - The general consensus have become: "Vibranium based alloy, potentially stronger, but less versatile in its application." Which I consider to be a fair summary. Yes, in some versions that is not true - And in most it has not been confirmed. But in MOST versions it holds up as an explanation. And so that's what I tell ppl who ask.
 
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Ahtu said:
Larger quantities of Vibranium, information, and perhaps some of his magical expertise.
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The problem is that Vibranium isn't impossibly rare like Uru is. Uru is only found in the Nine Realms and only ever worked with by the Dwarves. While Vibranium, is still rare, but only as rare as some other higher atomic number elements. There are other planets where it is mined, with entire species having built their technology off of it. Hell, there are entire planets that having such massive amounts of it that entire civilizations haven't depleted them even after long periods of endless mining, like the planet Torfa which even after having been mined by an interstellar empire for centuries still has tons of the stuff left. Vibranium is rare, but a technologically advanced civilization like the Dwarves of Nidavellir should be able to get their own supply.

Most likely what he would trade would be some Dark Elf Tech, that stuff is insanely advanced, and effectively impossible to get your hands on.
 
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Williams1996 said:
I only use the wikis because i really cant be bothered going through a ton of omnibus to find it never resally used AI to find shit out could be useful i guess though.
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AI's are heavily biased unfortunately. Intentionally programmed that way. Politics made it unfortunately clear that it is bound to skew topics, reframe topics, and hide certain information - In favor of certain political opinions. Which makes it clear it is likely biased in a lot of other questions too, either by proxy, or just a lack of foresight in how such directives might play out.

Beyond that they work as aggregates of information, with a biased prioritization based on the creators own views on what qualifies as "an authority" on any given subject. Sometimes that is good, sometimes that works really bad when a topic is mired in a ignorant assumptions, or the places given priority have an agenda.

Long story short, AI can be useful, or it can mislead you wildly. I've found it to be highly inaccurate, even when it comes to things like games, or just information about entertainment media like books. Tried to work with it to find things I knew existed in Naruto, to get it to direct me to the right chapter. It gave me about 30-40 false claims (where I pointed out it was wrong, and reframed my question multiple times to give it clues and references to work with). And I would have been better off just slowly looking through it myself. I did eventually find it, but I pretty much just had to figure it out myself (it was the part where Kurenai talks to her father during the Kyuubi attack).

Unless you already know what you're looking for, and what should be there? Most of the time, I've found that it will mislead you. Like when I tried to get it to quantify how many ppl Naruto killed with the Rasengan. And it started bringing up ppl that I knew for sure he never hit with it, and I realized it was likely using fanfics as references. Even when I told it to just look at canon, and pointed out which ones were false - It still gave me more fanfic takes.

All in all I don't recommend AI. They're even more unreliable than the Wiki's.
 
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Avalon Du Lac said:
The problem is that Vibranium isn't impossibly rare like Uru is. Uru is only found int he Nine Realms and only ever worked with by the Dwarves. While Vibranium, is still rare, but only as rare as some other higher atomic number elements. There are other planets where it is mined, with entire species having built their technology off of it. Hell, there are entire planets that having such massive amounts of it that entire civilizations haven't depleted them even after long periods of endless mining, like the planet Torfa which even after having been mined by an interstellar empire for centuries still has tons of the stuff left. Vibranium is rare, but a technologically advanced civilization like the Dwarves of Nidavellir should be able to get their own supply.

Most likely what he would trade would be some Dark Elf Tech, that stuff is insanely advanced, and effectively impossible to get your hands on.
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Forgot some of those more recent additions from marvel movies I never really watched the whole thing after seeing the trailers, and later reviews... ("Captain Marvel" was the point where Disney really started to go downhill with the franchise).

Uru is rarer, but it is still used at a fairly large scale. Tony goes and makes a suit out of it as I recall.

I seem to recall Vibranium being more rare, though still more common than Uru in the old stories. There are different takes on exactly HOW rare though. Some claim that Nidavellir produces the substanace, others that it merely reforges what comes from "the first moon." And other one's still claim that "it can only be found on the earliest celestial bodies, from the dawn of the univese." Which would mean that it is far less rare than we might presume, based on other sources. Though hardly common still. It'd be less rare than Beskar in Star Wars.
 
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