I originally posted this on SV, in the Wormverse Ideas thread. I've been feeling inspired to...
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Reasonably solid, but patchy, and needs more details. ...I feel like watching Cowboy Bebop, again.
I'm not sure about the direction of this, though. Glancing, looks like this can be a great fluff piece - the adventure of two monstrously individuals in a place where almost everyone is far weaker than them - or something more serious (they are Exalts, after all).
Regarding characterization... hmm. It is a bit weak, and it can be attributed due to, well, Taylor and Lisa spend time on Creation. The problem is, it is not shown. As in, I don't read how they've changed, what makes them, well, change. Might want to fix that.
Also, depending on far Lisa on Devil-Tiger path, they'll age at least around a hundred - so, Elder level or very close to Elder Exalt. That is OP.
Oh, right. Good luck with the fic.
Yeah, I'm probably going to go back and revise it later; this was one of my first fics after I got back into writing.
I'll work on showing some of the things they've been through, but the general idea of the story is that it's not about Taylor and Lisa, much like how Superman comics aren't about Superman. It's how other people are going to react to them shaking things up.
Taylor and Lisa are around 70 in Earth Bet' years and 60 in Creation's.
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60 isn't old enough to be elders in 2E and probably not in 3E which means Lisa isn't old enough to even start on the devil tiger charmset. She'd just be a normal infernal at that age. They should probably be only E3 or E4. Which is enough for some real hax and simply having social/mental excellencies is enough to really fuck with the status que.Taylor and Lisa are around 70 in Earth Bet' years and 60 in Creation's.
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60 isn't old enough to be elders in 2E and probably not in 3E which means Lisa isn't old enough to even start on the devil tiger charmset. She'd just be a normal infernal at that age. They should probably be only E3 or E4. Which is enough for some real hax and simply having social/mental excellencies is enough to really fuck with the status que.
That's acceptable. And I know enough about Infernal Lisa only become Devil-Trigger by getting somewhat rather hefty cost. And talking about Devil-Tiger...
Have you consider re-fluff Lisa as Exigent? That'll let you essentially start as DT from the start, thus you have no need to keep Taylor and Lisa away from plots too much, on account of their awesome power. OTOH, looks like that's your intention...
60 isn't old enough to be elders in 2E and probably not in 3E which means Lisa isn't old enough to even start on the devil tiger charmset. She'd just be a normal infernal at that age. They should probably be only E3 or E4. Which is enough for some real hax and simply having social/mental excellencies is enough to really fuck with the status que.
They are close enough to Elder level, though. And Lisa can get that extra-Essence charms, which 'just' means she is beginning DT. Quite strong, tbh.
It can be side-stepped pretty easily by making Lisa Exigent, but I don't know author's reason to make her Exigent. If it's 'having individual powerset', then converting her to Exigent won't fulfill that purpose.
Is Cecylene Lisa's Patron or her Favored Yozi? Or maybe just using Cecylene's charms?
I don't know much about Exalted, but I thought Devil-Tigers no longer served the Yozi and just do their own thing?
Regarding characterization... hmm. It is a bit weak, and it can be attributed due to, well, Taylor and Lisa spend time on Creation. The problem is, it is not shown. As in, I don't read how they've changed, what makes them, well, change. Might want to fix that.
70 years is looong time. If the author wanted to cover their full adventures, it'd probably be longer than all the Harry Potter books combined.
This is true from a purely mechanical viewpoint but from a story perspective reaching elder essence at all even when you are old enough is pretty damn hard. They require you dive pretty deep into multiple charmtrees and then you need to start building an entire charmset from scratch. It is a massive xp sink and a infernal that is running around doing adventures for 70 years isn't likely to survive it they are minmaxing just to get the pre-reqs for going devil-tiger. In addition there is no clues that it is even possible so they aren't going to know to try till they already have the knowledge, charms and skills to learn the first charm of the charmset. If there was another devil-tiger already in existence guiding her I could see it happening but as it is only genuinely elder infernals will go devil-tiger without the OOC knowledge that comes with being a PC.I'm using a hybrid of 2e and 3e rules until more 3e books come out (and even then I'm playing a bit fast and loose with the rules).
For reference: Page 9 of the 2e book The Broken-Winged Crane the Ascendancy Mantle of (Yozi) charms which let an Infernal raise their essence one higher than should be allowed at their age (6 at <100, 7 at 100+, etc.) for the price of a small penalty which depends on the Yozi. 2e Solars/Abyssals are even more insane as they can get to effective Essence 6 with a 7 in certain abilities (assuming they don't mind wracking up some Limit)
Flashback, then.
Honestly, it'll be much easier if Taylor and Lisa abandon their old identity, and uses their power to appear as completely new Cape... which, admittedly, they did. The problem is there is no difference in interaction between Exalt Taylor/Lisa and, well, actual Taylor/Lisa. As in, They both still treat Brian the same, Aisha the same, and so on.
The fic lacks that sense of Uncanny Valley, something you feel vaguely familiar, but not.
This is true from a purely mechanical viewpoint but from a story perspective reaching elder essence at all even when you are old enough is pretty damn hard. They require you dive pretty deep into multiple charmtrees and then you need to start building an entire charmset from scratch. It is a massive xp sink and a infernal that is running around doing adventures for 70 years isn't likely to survive it they are minmaxing just to get the pre-reqs for going devil-tiger. In addition there is no clues that it is even possible so they aren't going to know to try till they already have the knowledge, charms and skills to learn the first charm of the charmset. If there was another devil-tiger already in existence guiding her I could see it happening but as it is only genuinely elder infernals will go devil-tiger without the OOC knowledge that comes with being a PC.
Remember that outside of PC game mechanics raising your essence is hard it requires massive effort and time even by the standards of superhumans most exalts aren't going to have as high an essence as their age allows. Infernals are probably the splat most prone to high essence as it is important to their charms but even for them it is a big deal.
Since your are writing Taylor/Lisa as being veteran exalts why not just give them an age of ~150. That gives Lisa enough time to raise her essence 6 six and fuck around for a few decades doing mad science that could lead to realizing devil-tigers are possible.
Ah, I should have put more emphasis on how their behavior has changed. I'll add that to the things I'm going to edit.
Like you said: Infernals have the biggest reason of all Exalts to pump Essence (as their charms don't have minimum ability ratings, only Essence). Also, Lisa wasn't the first Infernal to discover Heretical/Devil-Tiger charms, she just jumped on the conecpt.
That said, you make an excellent point. While original thought process was that they helped make sure Creation was safe from all it's threats (not an easy/quick task) and then immediately started researching how to get back to Earth Bet; having them go native for a while before finally deciding to go back (or getting kicked out due to paranoid Celestial Exalts) would make things a bit more fluid.
I'll see about adding it into the revision, as well.
Good feedback.![]()
Yes, they're all a vulnerability, but they're just so awesome.![]()
They're the exact opposite of a chump. Without even trying a TCD will get about 18 dice on any roll. This isn't counting their Excellencies, and often have dice of up 22 within their area of expertise. Which again isn't counting their Excellencies."Vulnerability"......isn't quite the word I'd use to describe having manifest Third Circle Deva.
I mean, they can be killed yeah, but Third Circle Deva aren't exactly chumps.
No, just something with the ability to permanently kill spirits. Many Exalted can do that, but they are far from the only things.Doesn't it require an Exalted to perma-kill one, as long as the Primordial who spawned them is alive?
I'm sure there are some Int and Perception charms for that.Though, Taylor probably misses the near limitless multitasking ability, plus the area awareness she had as Skitter.
I think Lisa and Taylor might mean bringing in immigrants from somewhere....Danny in Creation?
Malfeas' brass arse, the only reason Creation is less dangerous than Bet is if you got Exalted to protect you. Or you are Exalted yourself. Or you are anonymous, which brings it's own problem.
Else, you are painted target. Or is this Lisa's world body? Eh, let's just see.