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Bet you did Nazi that coming!
Fucking kill me...
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Bet you did Nazi that coming!
This...just sounds like a not-at-all veiled excuese for trio-I have the vague thought of Amy dating Taylor after the bank job (it was accidental on Taylor's part, kind of like Silencio), and Amy deciding to get revenge on Those Three Bitches by having someone she knows can emotionally destroy someone go after them ('You want me to owe you a favor, don't you?'). She just has to work out a way to contact Lisa, since obviously she doesn't know yet that Taylor is Skitter.
Doesn't have to be Amy, of course, just needs to be someone who likes Taylor, and knows how evil Lisa can be when provoked.
'Bashing' means 'writing a character as worse than they are in canon' (or at least, 'worse than most readers think they are'). There is no need to make them look worse, their canon actions were utterly horrible.This...just sounds like a not-at-all veiled excuese for trio-bashing to me. I mean, it's more IC than any instance of Taylor sicking anyone else on the trio. Well, than any version of Taylor with her canon trigger, powers, and thus canon shard influence, that is.
Literally never heard that definition of character bashing before. The way I've heard it used before, and the one in which I was using it, was the process of placing a character into a plot whose sole purpose is to abuse the character, i.e: plot-as-bludgeon used to satiate a personal distaste for the character. In short: using the plot to bash the character.'Bashing' means 'writing a character as worse than they are in canon' (or at least, 'worse than most readers think they are'). There is no need to make them look worse, their canon actions were utterly horrible.
EDIT: Of course, you may be using a different definition of 'bashing' than the one I'm used to.
This...just sounds like a not-at-all veiled excuese for trio-bashing to me. I mean, it's more IC than any instance of Taylor sicking anyone else on the trio. Well, than any version of Taylor with her canon trigger, powers, and thus canon shard influence, that is.
'Bashing' means 'writing a character as worse than they are in canon' (or at least, 'worse than most readers think they are'). There is no need to make them look worse, their canon actions were utterly horrible.
EDIT: Of course, you may be using a different definition of 'bashing' than the one I'm used to.
Yeah, no. Worm has several characters which approach utter horribleness in it. The trio don't even begin to come close. All told, the trio are small potatoes which simply prompt irrationally disproportionate hate-boners from the fandom.There is no need to make them look worse, their canon actions were utterly horrible.
On further examination, you are correct. It's a stupid reversal of terminology, since the other actually has an internal logic to it, but you are correct. Apologies for the error on my part.What you are thinking of is called a "Revenge fic" not character bashing.
Lisa's hot button was suicide, not murder I believe. Have the trio kill Taylor but Sophia manages to make it look like a suicide. With Taylor having been in a good head-space the last time Lisa saw her, the apparent suicide would be completely unexpected and hit Lisa just like her trigger did. This should give her all the motivation she needs to explore deeper. When she finds out the truth, and she would, Lisa could begin the revenge everyone is eager for.Lisa finds out that they killed Taylor. Who she was in the process of pseudo-adopting as a surrogate sibling/friend. This puts her directly back into the mindset which led to her trigger event (which is one of the things which leads to powers being more responsive to their users, typically). Viola: a grieving, angry Tattletale is now inclined and motivated to utterly ruin the trio...and possibly the PRT ENE once she finds out who Sophia is.
That...seems like more of a story to me, to be honest. It has fallout, repurcussions. The otheres seems more apt for a snippet.
Fair point and criticism. Personally, I'm not actually that eager for revenge fic, but the idea pinged off bits of my brain, and if I'm truthful including anything as canon-bending and WAFFY as the majority of depictions of Taymy in a trio revenge fic just seems to clash with the presumably intended tone.Lisa's hot button was suicide, not murder I believe. Have the trio kill Taylor but Sophia manages to make it look like a suicide. With Taylor having been in a good head-space the last time Lisa saw her, the apparent suicide would be completely unexpected and hit Lisa just like her trigger did. This should give her all the motivation she needs to explore deeper. When she finds out the truth, and she would, Lisa could begin the revenge everyone is eager for.
Actually, Sophia using her powers and such to try and get away with it could be a method to break Lisa out of her "Cops and Robbers" mindset she was showing in Canon, if you believe it to be her actual beliefs and not something she was saying just to get Taylor to join.
That aside, if you want to sick the full wrath of Livsey on the trio, there's an easier, albeit less pleasant and darker way to do so than jumping hoops like making Taylor gay. Have them have killed her.
It'd put a rift between Taylor and whomever had done it, presuming she had her canon power and thus the canon shard's influence. Any attempt to interfere in her school life would've broken down her life's compartmentalization, the escapism of which was a significant part of the purpose of her foray into capehood in the first place. They'd be pressing every last one of her betrayal issue buttons as well as her shard-provided control issues. So...in short, nothing good would likely come of it. But then, much as I do love Silencio, you're not dealing with canon Taylor in any situation where she has a girlfriend. Or where she permits her school life to intersect with her cape life.Ah, but I don't want Taylor dead, I want to see how she develops in this situation.
... also, I miss Silencio, but mostly I want to see how the characters, Taylor included, would develop in the suggested circumstances.
As you say, she probably isn't canon Taylor at this point. Something happened at or after the bank, and butterflies flew from there.It'd put a rift between Taylor and whomever had done it, presuming she had her canon power and thus the canon shard's influence. Any attempt to interfere in her school life would've broken down her life's compartmentalization, the escapism of which was a significant part of the purpose of her foray into capehood in the first place. They'd be pressing every last one of her betrayal issue buttons as well as her shard-provided control issues. So...in short, nothing good would likely come of it. But then, much as I do love Silencio, you're not dealing with canon Taylor in any situation where she has a girlfriend. Or where she permits her school life to intersect with her cape life.
I've read a few fics with that as an element, but none where it's the focus. Most of them were fixfics where Annette surviving meant that everything in Taylor's life was vastly improved.You know, while I'm not overly fond of Taylor-centric stories, has anyone ever written a story with the premise that instead of Annette dying in the car crash, Danny does?
It seems so simple, and so effective an opening; You have free reign to develop Taylor into whatever sort of character you want since her surviving parent isn't fleshed out in canon, so long as you maintain her core qualities. Plus, it's a low-key enough change that it wouldn't affect the world at large.
That's never been confirmed, it's just speculation. Unless there's a recent WoG that I missed.Bottled Shards don't bud. The best she could do is have an original shard and trigger with him in her radius.
I think Tanuki-san (Biigoh) did a short one.In a similar note, has anyone ever written a Merchants!Taylor?
I mean, I get why they don't, but I've seen ABB!Taylor, E88!Taylor, S9!Taylor, Protectorate!Taylor... Actually, I've seen her in just about every established gang short of Merchants and Accord's.
Also, has anyone written about the inside of the Birdcage outside of those few chappies of Atonement? It's a fascinating concept of society, and I'd like to see it fleshed out.
Goblin Queen omake says hi~ :3In a similar note, has anyone ever written a Merchants!Taylor?
I mean, I get why they don't, but I've seen ABB!Taylor, E88!Taylor, S9!Taylor, Protectorate!Taylor... Actually, I've seen her in just about every established gang short of Merchants and Accord's.
In a similar note, has anyone ever written a Merchants!Taylor?
Also, has anyone written about the inside of the Birdcage outside of those few chappies of Atonement? It's a fascinating concept of society, and I'd like to see it fleshed out.
There's Haeley's Fault, though that's more "Taylor gets addicted to drugs and could join the Merchants in the future." There's also Roach.In a similar note, has anyone ever written a Merchants!Taylor?
something like that. There is more going on there, but it will be revealed over time.