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The Once and Future Champion (Baldur's Gate 3/Dragon Age)

Didn't Victoria have Sanctuary on during the battle? How could they harm her afterwards?

I figured it expired while she was ranting about how Shadowheart was such an ungrateful child for holding onto her sense of self despite everything she did to her, and she didn't notice until Isobel executed her.
 
I figured it expired while she was ranting about how Shadowheart was such an ungrateful child for holding onto her sense of self despite everything she did to her, and she didn't notice until Isobel executed her.
There's also that from the instant all of her mooks hit the ground Viconia knew she was not leaving that scene alive no matter what she tried, the odds were just too high. (She couldn't even hope to pop some kind of escape spell and run - Aylin is camping the door upstairs, and there's only one way out of the building.) So facing death with dignity is about all she's got left, because otherwise she gets to die in a gang stomping. Like Sarevok did. *rimshot*
 
There's also that from the instant all of her mooks hit the ground Viconia knew she was not leaving that scene alive no matter what she tried, the odds were just too high. (She couldn't even hope to pop some kind of escape spell and run - Aylin is camping the door upstairs, and there's only one way out of the building.) So facing death with dignity is about all she's got left, because otherwise she gets to die in a gang stomping. Like Sarevok did. *rimshot*

Karlach: I've got my stomping boots ready!
 
I know she hasn't exactly been doing it in his name or anything, but I am somewhat surprised that Shadowheart hasnt gotten even a minor blessing from Lathander after all that she's done with the Blood. Beating the piss out of Myrkul's avatar and blowing up a very important Sharran relic with the mace should be worth something, right?
 
"If you call what you're doing now surviving."

We call it living actually.

"Hang on a minute." I asked. "You just let slip that kidnapping Shadowheart - and by extension, the decades of effort you put into conditioning and brainwashing her - were a project that you were assigned by Shar. And I went with Shadowheart through the Gauntlet of Shar, so I know that the Lady of Loss was intending that Shadowheart be raised as her champion. And you also just said that you were trying to get her killed off? You're castigating Shadowheart for turning away from Shar while simultaneously not being even a little worried at the consequences of your own disobedience?"

Either she's stupid, crazy, lying, or all of the above.

"Whenever they say 'Don't bring anyone', that is precisely when you always bring someone!" Wyll laughed as he mockingly saluted Viconia with a flourish of his rapier.

Wyll learnt the lesson the hard way, he'll happily take advantage it to be dramatic :p

"We infiltrated your sanctum via the cunning strategy of 'walking in a measured distance behind our initial distraction and killing all of your sentries before they had a chance to react'." Lae'zel drawled sarcastically. "A most challenging task, truly."

They didn't even need the 'Hide In The Prism' strategy. Shars minions were kinda pathetic here. But that's what depending on secrecy as the primary defense for a century does to you.

"Signaled how?" Viconia goggled. "Neither of you used any magic, and you certainly didn't go anywhere!"

"I had a hamster in my pocket." Shadowheart grinned. "He ran back to tell the others."

And once again, the day is saved thanks to Boo! All hail the true hero of the Baldur's Gate games!

"Oh heavens save us! Not darkness!" Isobel wailed sarcastically. "Who could ever have suspected such a diabolical trap to be enacted in the halls of Shar?"

Well, someone's having fun.

"Now be fair, Isobel. We'd be sweating this a lot more if we hadn't all been so busy the past couple of days that we hadn't actually had a chance to return something yet." Shadowheart said amusedly.

You know, I had been wondering if Jaheira got the chance to return the Blood before the Dopplegangers showed up. This is a fantastic way to show that she hadn't :p

"I ruled over an enclave in Waterdeep once, much grander than this. Lady Shar ordered me to raze it to the ground and kill all within. To claim to the rest of her worshippers that they had died for betraying Shar, for betraying me, when in fact I had slain those who'd shown nothing but loyalty. Shar bid me do that to cover my tracks. So that I could come here, and build all this. To prepare all this.

... Shar. Why have her cover her tracks like that? There are so many more effective ways that leave you with an army of loyal followers - oh right you're a bitch.

"Aylin is never going to forgive Ao's restrictions for not letting her in here to see this herself."

She's sitting on a bench outside the House undisguised, arms crossed, pouting furiously, to the confusion of every passerby.

No pleas to your new superior for mercy? None of that 'compassion' that Selunites pride themselves so much for?

"Her mercy is infinite. Our application of it has practical limitations."

But thanks to her you now all exist only to suffer, unless you can find your way back to my embrace.

For fucks sake, get some therapy and take some anti-depressants woman!

"Father." Shadowheart insisted "You're not thinking. Avoiding pain by abandoning family and love? Cutting others loose so as to ease your own life and future? Which goddess preaches that?"

Oh yeah, it's our girl!

She is going to make me look in the mirror again. She is going to take my memories. I do not want to forget who I am. I like flowers, I like animals, my name is -

*Sobs incoherently*

Nocturne's despairing thoughts that she really had no alternative but to seek out another cloister of Shar rather than face the church's wrath as an apostate died a quick death when we made it back outside to be met by an anxious - and very frustrated - Dame Aylin, who'd been stuck with the job of keeping anybody from leaving the building because of the divine restrictions that meant she couldn't enter the consecrated temple of a rival deity without either permisison or inviting Shar's retribution in kind.

Fully undisguised, arms crossed, lip sticking out in a full pout. And all her feathers out of place.

The idea that the Sword of Selune herself might be available to pursue a fugitive Sharran - even if Aylin didn't intend to do anything of the sort - terrified Nocturne into essentially placing herself under arrest as our prisoner instead, so we took her along. If nothing else, she could help look after the Hallowleafs - Shadowheart's parents were much better off than you'd expect after being prisoners and torture subjects in a Sharran enclave for several decades, but that did not mean they wouldn't need rehabilitation and recovery.

Shadowhearts getting a sister out of this, one way or another :p

"Are you familiar with Cazador Szarr?"

Oh good, that plotline will get resolved even without the main cast getting involved. And without the approach of most runs where you don't recruit Astarion, where the player basically randomly breaks into a mansion and crashes the ritutal, entirely by accident. And honestly, while Astarion is going to be in confiment at the church for a while here, at least they will likely have therapists to help the poor kid.

I know she hasn't exactly been doing it in his name or anything, but I am somewhat surprised that Shadowheart hasnt gotten even a minor blessing from Lathander after all that she's done with the Blood. Beating the piss out of Myrkul's avatar and blowing up a very important Sharran relic with the mace should be worth something, right?

If I remember right, Cliff said somethinh about her possibly speccing into light domain, even if that's usually not allowed with a cleric of Selune.
 
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Either she's stupid, crazy, lying, or all of the above.
I always like to think that after screwing up Shar's entire Chosen One project with her jealousy and having the actual balls to say that she knew better than Shar in her villain monologue, that when Viconia finally arrived in Shar's realm she got sent to SUPER ULTRA SPECIAL hell.

Well, someone's having fun.
You're entirely supposed to hear that line with the same delivery of "Stop, please! Don't hit me with water!" from Omni-Man in the latest Mortal Kombat game. :p

Fully undisguised, arms crossed, lip sticking out in a full pout. And all her feathers out of place.
This is now canon. :p
 
I know she hasn't exactly been doing it in his name or anything, but I am somewhat surprised that Shadowheart hasnt gotten even a minor blessing from Lathander after all that she's done with the Blood. Beating the piss out of Myrkul's avatar and blowing up a very important Sharran relic with the mace should be worth something, right?
I imagine Lathander's blessing was letting her, a devout Sharran of all people, attune to and use the mace for so long in the first place. Going by older edition rules with divine relics and alignment requirements, just touching the thing would've scalded her otherwise.
 
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I imagine Lathander's blessing was letting her, a devout Sharran of all people, attune to and use the mace for so long in the first place. Going by older edition rules with divine relics and alignment requirements, just touching the thing would've scalded her otherwise.
IIRC, in d20 canon the last time the Church of Shar tried to steal the Blood of Lathander the attempt ended when they went from 'carrying it in a sack' to 'trying to fuck around with it', and the resulting divine wrath vaporized the entire heist crew. (I mean, they did get it out of the building and a good distance down the road, so it still counts as a success, but they didn't last all the way home before they goofed.)
 
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I imagine Lathander's blessing was letting her, a devout Sharran of all people, attune to and use the mace for so long in the first place. Going by older edition rules with divine relics and alignment requirements, just touching the thing would've scalded her otherwise.

That probably should have started alarm bells ringing for Shar...
 
"Mother, Father. This is my future husband, Hawke."

"Don't you mean boyfriend?"

"After everything? Ha-ha. No."

Probably not the way an introduction will go, but definitely adding "helped rescue her parents" to Shadowheart's list of things she likes Hawke for.
 
You know, I only now have realized that I wrote a plot hole - as Astarion was never near the party, the Astral Prism can't have been covering him and thus he should by all rights be a pawn of the Absolute right now.

*shrugs* Eh, I'm sticking with it. Maybe the elder brain doesn't want a vampire lord's ascension fucking up its shit at a sensitive time and is letting this happen. But hey, Astarion's still in jail so he can just stay there until Hawke finishes the main quest, and then he'll be fine.
 
You know, I only now have realized that I wrote a plot hole - as Astarion was never near the party, the Astral Prism can't have been covering him and thus he should by all rights be a pawn of the Absolute right now.

*shrugs* Eh, I'm sticking with it. Maybe the elder brain doesn't want a vampire lord's ascension fucking up its shit at a sensitive time and is letting this happen. But hey, Astarion's still in jail so he can just stay there until Hawke finishes the main quest, and then he'll be fine.

The Emperor gave him his protection while still on the Nautiloid, meant to revoke it when it was clear the vampire had wandered off in another direction, but didn't get around to it before Voss hit the mute button and he couldn't figure out which tap was the unimportant one. And Astarion never QUITE got far enough away to be out of range, and has no idea how lucky he was that the bounty hunters chose a certain route back to the city.

Doesn't cover why Orphy is protecting him, but maybe the tadpole is being ignored at this point because it was 'clearly' faulty and it's on the Netherbrains list of Things to Worry About Later.
 
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I know she hasn't exactly been doing it in his name or anything, but I am somewhat surprised that Shadowheart hasnt gotten even a minor blessing from Lathander after all that she's done with the Blood. Beating the piss out of Myrkul's avatar and blowing up a very important Sharran relic with the mace should be worth something, right?

Well, first, He didn't burn her from the inside out, while she was looking for good deeds to do.

Second, after she went to Silune, well, that was when Silune spent too much time bragging about her that Lathander got too annoyed to give her anything.
 
You know, I only now have realized that I wrote a plot hole - as Astarion was never near the party, the Astral Prism can't have been covering him and thus he should by all rights be a pawn of the Absolute right now.

*shrugs* Eh, I'm sticking with it. Maybe the elder brain doesn't want a vampire lord's ascension fucking up its shit at a sensitive time and is letting this happen. But hey, Astarion's still in jail so he can just stay there until Hawke finishes the main quest, and then he'll be fine.
Eh. Not being familiar with the game or the setting, I had already wondered why the party were able to split up without a range limit becoming a problem and decided to ignore it.
 
"Whenever they say 'Don't bring anyone', that is precisely when you always bring someone!" Wyll laughed as he mockingly saluted Viconia with a flourish of his rapier.
"He can be taught!"
in the name of the Moon, I sentence you to die
I'm now imagining her cosplaying as Sailor Moon.
Is this a Faerun specific usage?
Astarion is going to be in confiment at the church for a while here, at least they will likely have therapists to help the poor kid.
Astarion is two hundred years old. He hasn't been a kid for a long time.
Now Isobel just needs to hear about it from people who passed by and saw this. The rumors should be interesting.
 
I just now realise that the three default classes of Hawke/Dragon Age can be filled in by the three classes that are not represented by party members or Origins Characters. Warrior Hawke is a Paladin. Rogue Hawke is a Bard. Mage Hawke is a Sorcerer. It makes me imagine alternative stories of different male and female Hawkes and how they would handle the events of Baldur's Gate 3.
 
The House of Grief had been an obscure yet long-standing insitution in Baldur's Gate - a 'mental health center' that promised to help people overcome inconsolable grief, deal with depression, find new purpose in life, and all sorts of other wonderful promises. With the revelation that it was a front for the Church of Shar, it's comparatively innocent pose as a group of scholarly charlatans finding a way to mostly harmlessly bilk gold out of gullible wealthy people took on a much more damnable aspect. When I'd realized that it was actually a venue by which the Lady of Loss' worshippers could prey upon the already mentally troubled, those who were already desperate and without hope, and either exploit them to create new pawns for the Church of Shar or else mentally destroy them even further for the Nightsinger's sick pleasure- well, if I hadn't already decided we were going to be killing everyone in here before we were done then I'd certainly be deciding on it now.
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"Kill them all!" Viconia thundered, and every acolyte in on the rim of the room fired off a damaging cantrip or Inflict Wounds spell on cue. The withering barrage of necrotic energy would have devastated even the more puissant target, and Shadowheart and I were both exposed in the center of the room and away from all the others-
Delete this word.
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"Shadowheart's fine." I reassued her. "And you're the reason Shadowheart was able to hang on to as much of true self as she managed to, even while she was stuck here all those years?" I continued wonderingly. "Because even in the midst of all this... this doctrine of trying to strip away everything positive in the human soul, you still... wanted a friend?"
of her true
 
Is this a Faerun specific usage?
Yes. It's the term of address for 'nobleman of unknown/indeterminate rank'. It's how you avoid accidentally insulting strange nobles that you're not expected to already know who they are before they've told you what title they actually hold, which is what Hawke presents as (and given that the Hawkes were a Kirkwallian noble family, however impoverished and expat they were at times, he technically is.)

BTW, in hindsight I'm amused to realize that yet again my subconscious ambushed me with a piece of writing I didn't understand the significance of at the time I made it. Note that of the four people in the convo with Gortash, one of them is a paladin whose mannerisms and bearing clearly advertise that he's also of noble stock (Hawke), the son of the Grand Duke of Baldur's Gate (Wyll), an accomplished archmage (Gale), and a veteran priestess (Shadowheart). None of them would count as commoners by Faerunian etiquette - two of them are at least gentry, and the other two are clearly noble. So even Gortash's entitled patrician-wannabe (he's actually the son of poor cobblers from the slums) ego is going to converse with them in a civilized manner.
 
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BTW, in hindsight I'm amused to realize that yet again my subconscious ambushed me with a piece of writing I didn't understand the significance of at the time I made it.
You love to see it, because it's basically a jumped-up commoner trying to schmooze with nobility, a visibly blessed Priestess and an arch-wizard.

I'll admit, I thought you did in on purpose.
 
I just now realise that the three default classes of Hawke/Dragon Age can be filled in by the three classes that are not represented by party members or Origins Characters. Warrior Hawke is a Paladin. Rogue Hawke is a Bard. Mage Hawke is a Sorcerer. It makes me imagine alternative stories of different male and female Hawkes and how they would handle the events of Baldur's Gate 3.
Warrior Hawke is a base Fighter until choosing a Specialization, upon which a Templar is a Paladin and Berserker and Reaver are both Barbarians.
Rogue Hawke is, naturally, a Rogue. Honestly, all three of the Rogue specializations most closely hew to the Assassin subclass. Rogue Hawke has no spellcasting abilities at all and Bards are full casters, so I feel that is a poor fit.
Mage Hawke is indeed a Sorcerer, though none of the specializations translate to anu of the available Sorcerer subclasses.
 
Ugh, more patching - the commander of Orpheus' honor guard has a canon name (Prelate L'ir'ic) and class (monk). Which is admittedly very easy to miss because you only meet her in one scene, the scene you kill Orpheus' honor guard in to save the Emperor's tentacled ass so you don't get a Game Over, and I don't usually bother clicking on the names of the mooks I'm slaughtering. I have patched the Orpheus chapter to update this.
 
Still love this bit. In the grand scheme of things, Viconia didn't rank that high on Shadowhearts list of priorities, and it BURNS the idiot.
Can't take credit for that bit, I'm afraid. That one was all the geniuses at Larian.

I also love that you get 'paladin Oath of Devotion broken' for sparing Viconia, not for executing her. None of this 'you must always be Stupid Good and let the incredibly obviously horrible villain go because they dropped their sword'. Nope, it's straight-up 'she's evil and she gots to go down'.

BTW, I finally played through a game where Shadowheart went Dark Justiciar... and you still have to fight Viconia, because DJ Shadowheart's first job is... okay, it's to kill Ketheric. But her second job is to go back to the cloister in Baldur's Gate and kill Viconia for disobeying Shar's orders and going after the Astral Prism (that was all Viconia's idea, and outside her actual misson spec) and trying to get the would-be Chosen of Shar project killed off in the process. I am amused that I somehow was 100% canon accurate on that particular bit when I wrote the most recent chapter before hitting that part of my re-playthrough.

Also, if you want some free nightmares, play through the scene where Dark Justiciar Shadowheart kills her parents. The way the mocap and the voice acting immediately shifts when Shar gives Shadowheart all her memories back, and then after she takes them away again... brrrrrr. You absolutely get it hammered into you that by becoming a Dark Justiciar and then obeying Shar's final test, she has forfeited any chance of ever being an independent person ever again - Shar's taken away every memory except the ones that make her a perfect vessel. I straight-up saw three people die when she killed her parents, its just that one of them still had a heartbeat.

We all have our parts of the game that we find a bit clunky and wish they'd done more work on... but when this game slaps, it fuckin' slaps.
 
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