The Skittering Chaos (Worm/Hazbin Hotel)

[Thread Necromancer]

I've heard there was originally an interlude from the perspective of a Tattletale clone who escaped and joined Faultline's Crew, but it was deleted shortly after being posted and is no longer considered Worm canon. It would still probably be a useful reference for how the clones generally think, though.

Personally, given that the clones were driven to destroy everything the original loved, to the extent that one of Vista's clones immediately abandoned Echidna to go and try to kill her parents, I'm inclined to believe that the hatred is built into the clone's personality and that any clones that did make it into the afterlife would try to torture or murder Annette if they found her. It's the simpler option. After all, why rely on ongoing master influence when you can just alter the personality and let it loose?

That said, given that (as far as I'm aware) there were no mentions of surviving clones after Echidna's death, and thus no examples of clones being free of potential influence, you have plenty of leeway if you find alternate routes more interesting.

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Then perhaps one did go and find Annette, and possibly, bit off more than it could chew?

Then again, I've always been a sucker for the idea that at least one of Taylor's clones loved her unconditionally because there is a interpretation that she subconsciously hated herself to the point that she was just trying to die in a way that she thought was morally right by being a hero and doing what she thought was right. She was looking for a mission to Martyr herself for, she was just so shit at dying. So maybe a clone that loves her unconditionally and sees her as if she could do no wrong? Like VisV!

 

[VisV]

I've heard there was originally an interlude from the perspective of a Tattletale clone who escaped and joined Faultline's Crew, but it was deleted shortly after being posted and is no longer considered Worm canon. It would still probably be a useful reference for how the clones generally think, though.

Personally, given that the clones were driven to destroy everything the original loved, to the extent that one of Vista's clones immediately abandoned Echidna to go and try to kill her parents, I'm inclined to believe that the hatred is built into the clone's personality and that any clones that did make it into the afterlife would try to torture or murder Annette if they found her. It's the simpler option. After all, why rely on ongoing master influence when you can just alter the personality and let it loose?

That said, given that (as far as I'm aware) there were no mentions of surviving clones after Echidna's death, and thus no examples of clones being free of potential influence, you have plenty of leeway if you find alternate routes more interesting.

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The clones would get bodied in that case, newborn clones have weak souls according to thread Necromancer..

 

[VisV]

Then perhaps one did go and find Annette, and possibly, bit off more than it could chew?

Then again, I've always been a sucker for the idea that at least one of Taylor's clones loved her unconditionally because there is a interpretation that she subconsciously hated herself to the point that she was just trying to die in a way that she thought was morally right by being a hero and doing what she thought was right. She was looking for a mission to Martyr herself for, she was just so shit at dying. So maybe a clone that loves her unconditionally and sees her as if she could do no wrong? Like VisV!

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What do you mean as if she did nothing wrong?

In the end, as ward proves, she was the sanest, most well balanced and one of the most good intentioned people in the whole setting.

Also the most effective at actually achieving any good by far.

If anyone deserves to have a religion founded after them, its the girl who saved every iteration of humanity in the multiverse from extinction.

but seriously, I'm perfectly aware that taylor made mistakes, and occasionally even did some kinda fucked up shit, i just feel her reasons and intentions behind those actions justify them.

Also they are all completely fucking eclipsed by Taylor sacrificing her sanity to save the human race when it really didn't fucking deserve to be saved.

Seriously she committed so much good by stopping Scion that pretty much anything less than wholesale genocide of another species would be cancelled out by the good karma she gets for gold morning.

 

[ToxinTurian]

In the end, as ward proves, she was the sanest, most well balanced and one of the most good intentioned people in the whole setting.

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I take it you've read Arana?

 

[VisV]

I take it you've read Arana?

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Yes, I've also read Ward... and then promptly forgot most of it, because i didnt want to remember.

Not the cool or funny or lewd stuff though.

 

[goddess15]

I thought this was the lewd version you know plot with porn usually after this chapter she needs down time finds a girl and guy to wind down with taylor as the dom

 

[ElegiacCrown]

Then again, I've always been a sucker for the idea that at least one of Taylor's clones loved her unconditionally because there is a interpretation that she subconsciously hated herself to the point that she was just trying to die in a way that she thought was morally right by being a hero and doing what she thought was right. She was looking for a mission to Martyr herself for, she was just so shit at dying. So maybe a clone that loves her unconditionally and sees her as if she could do no wrong? Like VisV!

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There was a snippet I remember that involved all of Taylor's clones loving her unconditionally and dragging her away after the Echidna fight for some R&R, so I am already sold on that idea. If that clone wound up working for Annette, possibly waiting for Taylor to show up, well, I'd certainly be in favor of that.

 

[Thread Necromancer]

There was a snippet I remember that involved all of Taylor's clones loving her unconditionally and dragging her away after the Echidna fight for some R&R, so I am already sold on that idea. If that clone wound up working for Annette, possibly waiting for Taylor to show up, well, I'd certainly be in favor of that.

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That snip is actually where I got the idea from. Add in the discussion that has convinced me that Taylor basically hates herself and Lisa was trying to fix that, well it just kind of fits for me.

 

[VisV]

There was a snippet I remember that involved all of Taylor's clones loving her unconditionally and dragging her away after the Echidna fight for some R&R, so I am already sold on that idea. If that clone wound up working for Annette, possibly waiting for Taylor to show up, well, I'd certainly be in favor of that.

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That snip is actually where I got the idea from. Add in the discussion that has convinced me that Taylor basically hates herself and Lisa was trying to fix that, well it just kind of fits for me.

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Might i perhaps get a name for this snippet

 

[VisV]

Might i perhaps get a name for this snippet

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NVM i found it.

"To Know Yourself" By CptTagon. if you want to search it up again.... also theres a sequel.

 

[VisV]

Oh yeah, still been browsing the SB thread.

Emma wasn't comatose, she was Catatonic... or something like it, she just refused to come out of her room or anything else, she might very well still have been somewhat aware... although she definitely wasn't mentally stable.

Also the radically different environment shift would probably shock her out of it.

 

[Thread Necromancer]

Oh yeah, still been browsing the SB thread.

Emma wasn't comatose, she was Catatonic... or something like it, she just refused to come out of her room or anything else, she might very well still have been somewhat aware... although she definitely wasn't mentally stable.

Also the radically different environment shift would probably shock her out of it.

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I see, well then nevermind then. I seem to have mixed those words up. Then yes, Emma would definitely be shocked out of her catatonic state then. Though she wouldn't be doing well. Perhaps another demon on the street when the angels come down, or a whore to be used and abused at will by some pimp. Possibly even Valentino, or she could have ended up in Imp city or some where else.

 

[VisV]

I see, well then nevermind then. I seem to have mixed those words up. Then yes, Emma would definitely be shocked out of her catatonic state then. Though she wouldn't be doing well. Perhaps another demon on the street when the angels come down, or a whore to be used and abused at will by some pimp. Possibly even Valentino, or she could have ended up in Imp city or some where else.

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Should be noted that Emma died at the beginning of gold morning.

I don't think there's been time for there to be a purge yet.

 

[Thread Necromancer]

Should be noted that Emma died at the beginning of gold morning.

I don't think there's been time for there to be a purge yet.

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Nope no purge yet. so Emma is still around and kicking. A beautiful model with an ugly soul. Sounds appropriate for the situation. Any suggestions for what she would be? Either in regards to her physical appearance, her actions, etc...

 

[VisV]

Nope no purge yet. so Emma is still around and kicking. A beautiful model with an ugly soul. Sounds appropriate for the situation. Any suggestions for what she would be? Either in regards to her physical appearance, her actions, etc...

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Honestly?

Harpy.

Ravensdagger got that right, physically beautiful but often associated with filth disease and general awfulness.

Would she actually have learned anything from all this?

or would she still be as she was?

 

[ElegiacCrown]

Any suggestions for what she would be? Either in regards to her physical appearance, her actions, etc...

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Would she actually have learned anything from all this?

or would she still be as she was?

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I certainly agree with the harpy bit. As for what she's doing. Assuming she retained her beauty (not a guarantee, this is hell after all), she's definitely been picked up by someone. I forget if you're dropped into Pentagram City at random, but I could see her getting unlucky and being dropped right into Valentino's district.

I like to think she'd have learned something, after all, you can't get much lower than in hell and if she's no longer catatonic over Taylor she has time to actually deal with that issue. If she's been picked up by Valentino that might be all she's able to do for herself.

 

[Thread Necromancer]

I certainly agree with the harpy bit. As for what she's doing. Assuming she retained her beauty (not a guarantee, this is hell after all), she's definitely been picked up by someone. I forget if you're dropped into Pentagram City at random, but I could see her getting unlucky and being dropped right into Valentino's district.

I like to think she'd have learned something, after all, you can't get much lower than in hell and if she's no longer catatonic over Taylor she has time to actually deal with that issue. If she's been picked up by Valentino that might be all she's able to do for herself.

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More that you get dropped in a random place in Hell and not just Pentagram city. Kaiser for example ended up in the wastes. As for Emma, considering that she decided that she would rather be catatonic than acknowledge reality, I can see her upon realising that she can become more powerful than Taylor through deals and all that would dive right in, only to screw it up since while her Daddy was a lawyer, that doesn't mean that the skills transfer. So she might have gotten caught up in something that she might not enjoy.

 

[VisV]

More that you get dropped in a random place in Hell and not just Pentagram city. Kaiser for example ended up in the wastes. As for Emma, considering that she decided that she would rather be catatonic than acknowledge reality, I can see her upon realising that she can become more powerful than Taylor through deals and all that would dive right in, only to screw it up since while her Daddy was a lawyer, that doesn't mean that the skills transfer. So she might have gotten caught up in something that she might not enjoy.

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Then taylor saves her from a life of prostitution!

and she finally realizes that no she was never stronger and submits.

 

[ElegiacCrown]

"To Know Yourself" By CptTagon. if you want to search it up again.... also theres a sequel.

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So, I went and re-read this snippet. Except it feels like I read it for the first time because I don't remember this one at all, and the snippet I do remember went differently. Which means that there are at least two sets of snippets in the world with this as a theme and that makes me happier to know than I thought it would.

 

[Thread Necromancer]

So, I went and re-read this snippet. Except it feels like I read it for the first time because I don't remember this one at all, and the snippet I do remember went differently. Which means that there are at least two sets of snippets in the world with this as a theme and that makes me happier to know than I thought it would.

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It's always nice to have more people love Taylor in the shit world that is Worm. She deserves all the cuddles she can get.

 

[VisV]

So... if you're doing lewds of this....

Is overlord Skitter going to enter her penthouse after a long day of managing hell's sex industry and her Cult in the living world(and any other business's she picks up) have dinner, and drink, then have her nightly 10 person gangbang?


Lots of stress needs lots of dick/pussy to relieve the stress.

The guys and girls involved would all be scaroused because it's overlord skitter and if they make the wrong move or go too far, they'll find themselves getting killed over and over until she's sucked them dry of any strength they might have had. (this fear would be unwarranted, Overlord Skitter is a better class of overlord, a kind and fair leader, and would merely give you a scolding the first time you screwed up... It's at three mistakes that she puts you through an endless loop of slow painful deaths until you are but a shriveled wretched shadow of the demon you once were!)

 

[ToxinTurian]

So... if you're doing lewds of this....

Is overlord Skitter going to enter her penthouse after a long day of managing hell's sex industry and her Cult in the living world(and any other business's she picks up) have dinner, and drink, then have her nightly 10 person gangbang?

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Honestly, fetish fantasies aside... I think what would make me happiest to see would be her just being able to go home to a single caring partner. To be able to climb into bed and cuddle up to them, get a hug in return, and know she's safe and loved. Nothing extreme, just happy.

(Being me, I'm imagining a happier, more stable, more affectionate Brian or similar person she's met since dying, but if you want to imagine Lisa somehow having ended up there, feel free.)

 

[VisV]

Honestly, fetish fantasies aside... I think what would make me happiest to see would be her just being able to go home to a single caring partner. To be able to climb into bed and cuddle up to them, get a hug in return, and know she's safe and loved. Nothing extreme, just happy.

(Being me, I'm imagining a happier, more stable, more affectionate Brian or similar person she's met since dying, but if you want to imagine Lisa somehow having ended up there, feel free.)

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While caring single lewds is valid and indeed very good... she is in hell.

And is going to basically be a feudal warlord.... might as well live it up!

 

[Thread Necromancer]

Honestly, fetish fantasies aside... I think what would make me happiest to see would be her just being able to go home to a single caring partner. To be able to climb into bed and cuddle up to them, get a hug in return, and know she's safe and loved. Nothing extreme, just happy.

(Being me, I'm imagining a happier, more stable, more affectionate Brian or similar person she's met since dying, but if you want to imagine Lisa somehow having ended up there, feel free.)

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Thing is I think both Taylor and Brian have moved on in life. Yes they are still good friends and basically family, they kind of accept that they aren't really meant to be, thus Taylor will probably have to find someone else to love.

You know, I hear that narcissism is pretty popular in Hell these days...

 

[FirehawksAreFire]

The other Tagon story is called "To love yourself" And is a devoted clone with some clockblocker thrown in for flavor, it can be found on AO3.

 

[VisV]

You know, I hear that narcissism is pretty popular in Hell these days...

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Sooooooo.... It's a "My own clone, now neither of us will be virgins!" scenario?


Did that "echidna clone who loves the original" idea really resonate with you?

 

[ElegiacCrown]

Did that "echidna clone who loves the original" idea really resonate with you?

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Certainly resonated with me.

 

[Thread Necromancer]

Sooooooo.... It's a "My own clone, now neither of us will be virgins!" scenario?


Did that "echidna clone who loves the original" idea really resonate with you?

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It did and I really think that it could have worked well in canon if one of them escaped and later joined the Undersiders. Just have a arc of de-esclation instead and keeping the story on the street level. Just have the story progress from there with dealing with Echidna clones and doing what Ward did by having the question of clones come up for an arc or two and dealing with it like that.

 

[VisV]

It did and I really think that it could have worked well in canon if one of them escaped and later joined the Undersiders. Just have a arc of de-esclation instead and keeping the story on the street level. Just have the story progress from there with dealing with Echidna clones and doing what Ward did by having the question of clones come up for an arc or two and dealing with it like that.

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Then let it be be so, Overlord Skitter takes in and falls in love with one of her own clones.

 

[Thread Necromancer]

Then let it be be so, Overlord Skitter takes in and falls in love with one of her own clones.

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That is if I decide to have it happen like that. Maybe not love in a romantic kind of way but maybe a sisterly kind of way. I don't actually know how I will use the echidna clones at this point but they are an interesting concept that I am looking into exploring. Who knows, maybe we've already seen one?