Twisted Pinwheel

[Hyp3rB14d3]

Because DIO.

 

[Terenak]

Because MIO.

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[X] Splashing violently down into an inky black and eerily silent sea. You feel wood for a moment, as water rushes back in. There's a skull glowing in the dark. They aren't supposed to do that, right?

 

[angelofwhim]

[jk] Smash into Dummy's noggin cause he hit round this dimension.

 

[Odysseus2099]

Damn, wish I'd followed this sooner, I'd have been all over that chakra arm. Why does no one ever want to be Seras Victoria?

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In my case I was concerned it would take too long. I mean, attaching a ready-made arm seems like it would be a lot quicker than developing a technique to create a new one from scratch. Saving time that could be spent finding food and a way to escape.

I wouldn't worry though, it's not as though we're locked out of trying to develop chakra limbs. And assuming we kept its ability to fuse to people we might be able do the whole "soul collection" thing she does now. I'm hoping the arc title (Flower of Yomi's Hundred-Demon night parade) will be a descriptive nickname for us by the time we leave.

 

[Anti-No]

Is this our way of trying to get out of the next marriage proposal?

 

[SCO]

Sure. I'm pretty sure that even if the clan is not ded - or even if it is - a Uchiha with demonic mutations won't exactly be as popular to fanboys as Sasuke is to fangirls. Worked out nicely, even if by accident.

Though i can already hear the fanon Elder Council wanting Sasuke to marry Mio and Sasuke getting out of the village even faster.

 

[Anti-No]

Sure. I'm pretty sure that even if the clan is not ded - or even if it is - a Uchiha with demonic mutations won't exactly be as popular to fanboys as Sasuke is to fangirls. Worked out nicely, even if by accident.

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You would think so, yes?

Problem is, it *might* be something that breeds true. And if so? That's two bloodlines. Whatever the arm did, and the eyes of the Uchiha.

 

[Drak4806]

In my case I was concerned it would take too long. I mean, attaching a ready-made arm seems like it would be a lot quicker than developing a technique to create a new one from scratch. Saving time that could be spent finding food and a way to escape.

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Pretty much my reason plus a desire to see what the arm does.


I'm kind of hoping that instead of going back to the village we just travel around the nations having adventures.

 

[RoninSword]

I'm kind of hoping that instead of going back to the village we just travel around the nations having adventures.

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The issue is that eventually rumors will spread of a blond haired, sparkly, clawed, sharp-toothed ninja with the sharingan. The chance of another sharingan user outside of Sasuke (protected by the Leaf), and the S-Class Itatchi puts us in pretty much everyones crosshairs.

 

[Drak4806]

The issue is that eventually rumors will spread of a blond haired, sparkly, clawed, sharp-toothed ninja with the sharingan. The chance of another sharingan user outside of Sasuke (protected by the Leaf), and the S-Class Itatchi puts us in pretty much everyones crosshairs.

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True, true. true.

I do wonder if the abilities gained from the arm would allow use to avoid the eye degeneration from using the Mangekyo.

 

[RoninSword]

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[X] You landed on clouds. And are standing on clouds. Literal sky clouds. Why?
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[X] You smash through a castle wall. Ceiling. Floors too. On the one hand, civilization? On the other, from the looks of this dungeon the owner is going to be either really unhappy or creepily pleased to see you.
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[X] Splashing violently down into an inky black and eerily silent sea. You feel wood for a moment, as water rushes back in. There's a skull glowing in the dark. They aren't supposed to do that, right?
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[x] Tearing through spider webs that obviously aren't supposed to tear. It's uncomfortable and sticky and that's a lot of spiders. Way too many spiders, and these webs are supposed to catch dinner for them.
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[JadeKaiser]

True, true. true.

I do wonder if the abilities gained from the arm would allow use to avoid the eye degeneration from using the Mangekyo.

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I frankly don't see us as likely to get the Mangekyo at this point without jumping straight to a transplant, and therefore straight to the Eternal version, or otherwise cheating our way into it in a way that makes the degradation a moot point. We just don't have anyone close/important enough to us to qualify as our "closest friend" or equivalent who we can kill for it, and I doubt that we would be willing to do the deed if we did.

If the issue did arise however, it would depend on how Chibi worked the eye degeneration in-story among other things. I personally think that the degradation is more of a mystical thing than a biological one, since there isn't really any reason why a transplanted eye would fail to degenerate where the original one would. That would mean that it would be an issue of whether demon-bullshit outdid sharingan-limitation-bullshit on a spiritual level, rather than just letting us repair any physical damage.

Either way, I would say yes. If only because the arm successfully made itself a sharingan eye before we ate its mind, without even understanding the implications thereof. That means that its morphing abilities probably extend to whatever spiritual aspects are in play with the sharingan too.

 

[Odysseus2099]

Problem is, it *might* be something that breeds true. And if so? That's two bloodlines. Whatever the arm did, and the eyes of the Uchiha.

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That's likely to draw the interest of Orochimaru as well as anyone else.

I'm kind of hoping that instead of going back to the village we just travel around the nations having adventures.

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We can still do that after we get strong enough to dodge hunter-nin. Especially if we end up going with Orochimaru. Unlike Sasuke we won't have any great mission to do after going Sith Apprentice on him.

I frankly don't see us as likely to get the Mangekyo at this point without jumping straight to a transplant, and therefore straight to the Eternal version, or otherwise cheating our way into it in a way that makes the degradation a moot point. We just don't have anyone close/important enough to us to qualify as our "closest friend" or equivalent who we can kill for it, and I doubt that we would be willing to do the deed if we did.

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Sasuke didn't kill Itachi, just watched him die. Same with Obito and Rin. We don't need to kill someone close to us, just watch them die. And we should get on getting closer friends. I recommend Hinata. After our fight we're already basically rivals, by Shonen logic that makes us a step away from besties. Also, I think you might need to activate Mangekyo on your own before the transplant can take. No one seemed to use them unless they met the activation criteria.

If the issue did arise however, it would depend on how Chibi worked the eye degeneration in-story among other things. I personally think that the degradation is more of a mystical thing than a biological one, since there isn't really any reason why a transplanted eye would fail to degenerate where the original one would. That would mean that it would be an issue of whether demon-bullshit outdid sharingan-limitation-bullshit on a spiritual level, rather than just letting us repair any physical damage.

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'S possible, but it's equally possible that the surgery for the eye swap changes something in the chakra flow, or the eyes being technically foreign entities does the same. It would actually be pretty funny if it was actually the surgery that fixed it, and not the eye swap, so they would have been better served just cutting out their eyes and sticking them back in. That said, given how the Mangekyo Sharingan looks like a hybridization of the two "parent" Sharingan, I'd say the second explanation is more likely. It's hard to say really, biology is complicated even before you add magic.

 

[Drak4806]

I'm debating whether we should try and steal the Rinnegan or if we should try and be so badass we don't even need the Mangekyo and its bulllshit hax.

 

[JadeKaiser]

Sasuke didn't kill Itachi, just watched him die. Same with Obito and Rin. We don't need to kill someone close to us, just watch them die. And we should get on getting closer friends. I recommend Hinata. After our fight we're already basically rivals, by Shonen logic that makes us a step away from besties. Also, I think you might need to activate Mangekyo on your own before the transplant can take. No one seemed to use them unless they met the activation criteria.

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That's highly debatable. Sure, Itachi technically died from his illness, but it only acted out enough at that moment to kill him because of the battle with Sasuke that had just put massive strain on his body (especially with his use of Susanoo, which is explicitly stated to put a lot of strain on the user's body) and drained him of most of his chakra. So Sasuke did kill him; he just unintentionally used Itachi's own illness as part of how he did it.

Obito also didn't kill Rin, but Kakashi did, and he had one of Obito's eyes at the time. Especially considering how -at least in the manga- Obito was getting some weird double-vision phenomenon at the time where he could see out of the eye in Kakashi's head, who knows exactly what was going on there and how the various technicalities interacted. For all me know, as far as Obito's eyes were concerned Kakashi was just an extension of Obito for those kinds of purposes. Or maybe it was even more convoluted since Rin was probably Kakashi's closest friend as well as Obito's at that point.

As for nobody using the mangekyo unless they met the activation criteria, that could be because it wouldn't work or it could just be because nobody in canon was an Uchiha with a transplanted mangekyo unless they had also earned their own. We don't have anything to go off of one way or the other. I mean, the closest thing we have is Danzo using a Kotoamastukami derivative with Shisui's eye, and I don't think it was ever cleared up as to whether that was a mangekyo technique or what.

'S possible, but it's equally possible that the surgery for the eye swap changes something in the chakra flow, or the eyes being technically foreign entities does the same. It would actually be pretty funny if it was actually the surgery that fixed it, and not the eye swap, so they would have been better served just cutting out their eyes and sticking them back in. That said, given how the Mangekyo Sharingan looks like a hybridization of the two "parent" Sharingan, I'd say the second explanation is more likely. It's hard to say really, biology is complicated even before you add magic.

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See: my crack idea for turning a mangekyo into an eternal mangekyo by transplanting your own left mangekyo eyeball into your right eye socket and visa versa.

Honestly, I agree with you on it probably not working in canon Naruto. With the eternal version looking like a combo of the two, like you mentioned, I always figured that the upgrade came from actually overlaying a mangekyo on top of a different mangekyo and letting them merge. Chibi could do whatever though, so it's worth throwing crazy things at the wall and seeing if they stick.

 

[The Nobody]

I'm debating whether we should try and steal the Rinnegan or if we should try and be so badass we don't even need the Mangekyo and its bulllshit hax.

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I'll be voting for the latter.

 

[FantasyFan]

JadeKaiser it's an emotional state that triggers the Mangekyo Sharingan. Not killing someone. The absolute despair and grief that comes from seeing a close friend/family member/lover die right in front of them is what triggers it. Upon feeling that a special chakra is released that changes their eyes. There's a reason why sasuke didn't awaken his until after he learned the truth behind itachi. If it worked like you claimed it did sasukes would have awoken the moment itachi died.

 

[JadeKaiser]

JadeKaiser it's an emotional state that triggers the Mangekyo Sharingan. Not killing someone. The absolute despair and grief that comes from seeing a close friend/family member/lover die right in front of them is what triggers it. Upon feeling that a special chakra is released that changes their eyes. There's a reason why sasuke didn't awaken his until after he learned the truth behind itachi. If it worked like you claimed it did sasukes would have awoken the moment itachi died.

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[Citation Needed]

Even if it did wait to be unlocked until Sasuke found out the truth, and I don't recall there being any actual proof one way or the other on that, that doesn't mean what you say it does. Sasuke did kill Itachi after all, as I explained above. It would just mean that a sharingan user has to know that the person they killed was someone close enough to them to qualify before it would work, but that finding out later is perfectly acceptable by whatever standards the sharingan uses.

Your explanation is acceptable with canon, but so is mine. Moreover, I prefer mine because otherwise you get people cheating the system to unlock their friend's M. sharingan by pretending to die in a training accident, as I have seen far too many fanfic authors abuse. Also, because mine is the one where we have a direct statement in canon to that effect, even if the other half of that statement ("...your closest friend") was shown to be a bit so-so on precise accuracy since Itachi was close enough to count for Sasuke.

I also prefer mine because yours screams of trying to find a purely biological excuse for it. The swirly eyes are not purely biological; there is a spiritual component to them as well. This is both shown and explicitly stated when Orochimaru first tried to possess Sasuke and had it turned around on him, and is also pretty much a requirement for some of the other weird shit that Kishimoto built up around them.

Having them require that you actually kill the person because magic eyeballs is perfectly in theme. Having them upgrade when your brain undergoes the precise emotional and hormonal cocktail that results from such an act not only isn't, but wouldn't work even if it was because different people would have different emotional reactions to such a thing and would have slightly different brain chemistry to begin with in the first place.

If it was triggered by a specific emotional state, some people might unlock it after they killed a random puppy by accident. Others wouldn't be able to unlock it even if they slaughtered their friends and family wholesale in a massive murder spree.

 

[FantasyFan]

JadeKaiser no your explanation isn't. It get's later on explained by tobimaru who knew some uchiha well enough to actually figure out what triggers it. As in he saw the special chakra from feeling that emotion awaken it in someone. And no seeing a random puppy die can't do it. It has to be one of the most important people ever to said uchiha dying in front of them. The main flaw of the uchiha is that they fucking feel more strongly then other people due to being descendant from indra who had stronger yin chakra.

If you actually bothered to look stuff up from the wiki with all it's citations you would know this and wouldn't be sprouting the whole kill your best friend shit. That was Itachi sprouting bullshit to make sasuke not want to be like him at all.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sharingan#Transformations

There's a reason why all the uchiha we see with it are some form of insane.

 

[The Nobody]

I once heard some guys (probably, they were anons anyway) speculating about non-leaf Uchiha. Like, some ninja couldn't keep it in his pants, and several monthes later, in the Village Hidden in the Middle of Nowhere, a child is born with black eyes, black hair, and the most passionate personality. Because, as FantasyFan mentioned above, yindra chakra bull and all. Later, this child awakens the Sharingan - because, being a civilian in Naruto world, they get plenty of life-or-death situations. The thread came to consensus that such a civilian would, most likely, get captured by Orochimaru, or Kumogakure's proactive bloodline establishment forces, or something else like that.

However, what if we imagine that half-Uchiha civilian somehow hiding their sharingan, and becoming a successfull... Dunno, a cook. A cook with a strong passion for their craft, and an uncanny ability to copy the cooking styles of others with just a glance. A successful cook, I'd imagine, because, well, passion makes way to build skills, and sharincheating brings in even more skills. So maybe that cook becomes even a little bit famous.

And now imagine, how that cook witnesses a creation of a world's most perfect... Souffle, or pasta, or something. And, in an accident that the Naruto world is so full of, they also witness, with their active Sharingan, how this world's most perfect pasta meets the floor in the most gruesome manner. I imagine how their extra-passionate chackra unlocks their Mangekyo at that moment, and it amuses me.

 

[Odysseus2099]

[Citation Needed]

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Here.

 

[JadeKaiser]

JadeKaiser no your explanation isn't. It get's later on explained by tobimaru who knew some uchiha well enough to actually figure out what triggers it. As in he saw the special chakra from feeling that emotion awaken it in someone. And no seeing a random puppy die can't do it. It has to be one of the most important people ever to said uchiha dying in front of them. The main flaw of the uchiha is that they fucking feel more strongly then other people due to being descendant from indra who had stronger yin chakra.

If you actually bothered to look stuff up from the wiki with all it's citations you would know this and wouldn't be sprouting the whole kill your best friend shit. That was Itachi sprouting bullshit to make sasuke not want to be like him at all.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sharingan#Transformations

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Wonderful. Do you have a citation that actually says what you say it says? And that ISN'T a minimally-detailed website for basic information that can be freely edited by anyone with an internet connection? Because a wiki is NEVER a reputable source. EVER.

Here.

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I was all set to congratulate you on having an actual citation, and changing my mind. Then I watched the video. Tobirama does indeed mention something vaguely along those lines as the method by which the base form of the sharingan is unlocked. Specifically, he says, and I quote: "When an Uchiha is tormented by the loss of a great love, or by despair at who he has become, or something equally terrible, a special chakra flows through his brain, causing his nerves to respond and his eyes to be altered. These are the eyes that reflect the heart, known as the sharingan."

He does not say anything about the mangekyo. The closest he comes is when he says, and I quote once more: "As that darkness grows deeper, their ocular powers also grow, and it becomes impossible to deal with them." Not exactly an in-depth explanation of the details of how the mangekyo is awakened, there.

I kind of vaguely see how you might have misinterpreted what he said, at least if it had been a while since you actually watched the scene in question, but you did indeed misinterpret it.

 

[RoninSword]

In the chapter 'In which bribes are accepted', we see that Mio has her mother's skull in her house's closet behind what appears to be a simple blood seal for security. The skull has preserved Sharingan eyes in it.

Odds that its still there, or that someone (Tobi or Danzo) have taken them?

 

[macdjord]

In the chapter 'In which bribes are accepted', we see that Mio has her mother's skull in her house's closet behind what appears to be a simple blood seal for security. The skull has preserved Sharingan eyes in it.

Odds that its still there, or that someone (Tobi or Danzo) have taken them?

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1. Do they know it's there?
2. Are the 'preserved' eyes usable or just prevented from rotting?

 

[Vox De Harlequin]

1. Do they know it's there?
2. Are the 'preserved' eyes usable or just prevented from rotting?

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Given how obsessive the Uchiha are about their eyes, they're probably still usable.

 

[Drak4806]

Given how obsessive the Uchiha are about their eyes, they're probably still usable.

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Even if they can't be implanted we could still use them for Edo Tensei.

 

[JadeKaiser]

Even if they can't be implanted we could still use them for Edo Tensei.

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Probably not a good idea, seeing as she died by wasting away in depression and apathy iirc. Being resurrected would be more of a curse to her than a blessing.

 

[RoninSword]

I was about to mention that perhaps we could use them as the transplant for the Eternal Mangyenko, but forgot that we don't have that (perhaps our new demon body can cheat there), and that the transplanted eye need the Mangyenko to work for that as well...

 

[Bobs Beard]

If the arm/MIO can still sprout regular Sharingan, I am so much more about that than Mangekyo, Eternal or otherwise.

'S all about Izanagi/Izanamispam, if such can ever be achieved.

As far as I recall, Izanagi and Izanami never required Mangekyo to cast ('merely' being actual, for real bullshit secret ultimate clan jutsu for using regular ol' matured Sharingan, rather than being reliant on further perpetuations of the nonsense alien angst-eyeball Madara popularized), and as Danzo showed with just one of those techs the ability to serial cast 'em is stupid effective. Izanami doesn't lose out to 'Nuh uh reality, didn't happen, I take backsies' - it's basically existentially locked illusion based helplessness induced on a target, on eye contact - and it could well be programmable with different sorts of 'target must achieve this mindset' configurations, which would make it an absurdly flexible tool. 'Can't escape unless this loyal to MIO' is a fun one obviously, but what about 'Can't escape unless they forgive her all her sins,' or 'Can't escape unless willing to leave their village and come serve MIO('s village)'? Even the slightest ability to shape the way Izanami's applied would allow a huge amount of fun wiggle room.

And if one can just up and have, on demand, new and expendable Sharingan, that one real limiter of eyeball sacrifice could well be ignored, to hilarious results.

Izanami/Izanagi's castings were never even referenced as large chakra expenditures, either by their casters or observers, right?

Also, the... traditionalism, I suppose, of this being one's ocular ougi feels very fun in the context of someone as Uchiha-antithetical as glittery MIO.

 

[Plotvitalnpc]

If one could really practice in depth with Izanagi, maybe they could turn it inside out and use it as a means to achieve the Creation of All Things - making their illusions into reality - rather than just turning the reality of their injuries and deaths into illusions.