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Vote Thread for Ack's Omake Corner

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[X] NSW - 5
[X] Danny & Taylor - 4
[X] Security! - 3
[X] Trump Card - 2
[X] I, Panacea - 1
 
[X] I, Panacea - 5
[X] Confrontation - 4
[X] NSW - 3
[X] Aftermath - 2
[X] Security! - 1
 
[X] Recoil - 5
[X] Security! - 4
[X] I, Panacea - 3
[X] Trump Card - 2
[X] NSW - 1
 
[X] Junior Hero - 5
[X] Aftermath - 4
[X] Confrontation - 3
[X] Security! - 2
[X] Recoil - 1
 
[X] All Unaware - 5
[X] Trump Card - 4
[X] Confrontation - 3
[X] Recoil - 2
[X] I, Panacea- 1
 
[X] Trump Card - 5
[X] Aftermath - 4
[X] Recoil - 3
 
[X] Confrontation - 5
[X] Recoil - 4
[X] NSW - 3
[X] Bait & Switch - 2
[X] Aftermath - 1
 
[X] Recoil - 5
[X] Aftermath - 4
[X] I, Panacea - 3
[X] Confrontation - 2
[X] Security! - 1
 
[X] Really Bad End - 5
[X] NSW - 4
[X] Confrontation - 3
[X] Security! - 2
[X] Trump Card - 1
 
[X] Aftermath - 5
[X] Trump Card - 4
[X] I, Panacea - 3
[X] One More Trigger - 2
[X] Recoil - 1
 
[X] Trump Card - 5
[X] I, Panacea - 4
[X] One More Trigger - 3
[X] Recoil - 2
[X] Security - 1
 
[X] MirrorVerse - 5
[X] Recoil - 4
[X] Confrontation - 3
[X] Trump Card - 2
[X] One More Trigger - 1
 
[X] Trump Card - 5
[X] Confrontation - 4
[X] NSW - 3
 
[X] Really Bad End - 5
[X] NSW - 4
[X] Brian & Aisha - 3
[X] Danny & Taylor - 2
[X] One More Trigger - 1
 
[X] Junior Hero - 5
[X] Trump Card - 4
[X] All Unaware - 3
[X] Recoil - 2
[X] Security! - 1
 
[X] I, Panacea - 5
[X] Security! - 4
[X] One More Trigger - 3
[X] Aftermath - 2
[X] Danny & Taylor - 1
 
An idea for fine-tuning the voting system: Instead of reverting winner's vote count to zero, it would make more sense to subtract the runner up's vote count from the winner's.

E.g if.:

# 1 I, Panacea - 450
# 2 Security! - 430

Then have Panacea start the next round with 20 points.

In the current system, if someone three rounds ago gave a single 5 point vote for I, Panacea, their vote is going to be totally lost, not reflected at all in the frquency of updates. A work that regularly beats it's opponents by large margins, gets disproportionally fewer updates per point gained, than a work that regularly skirts it by a few points.
 
Alterego9 said:
An idea for fine-tuning the voting system: Instead of reverting winner's vote count to zero, it would make more sense to subtract the runner up's vote count from the winner's.
A work that regularly beats it's opponents by large margins, gets disproportionally fewer updates per point gained, than a work that regularly skirts it by a few points.
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True. But that tweak would also have the effect of reducing the votes to other fics that aren't the winning one, because the people who would ordinarily give those points to them rather than the one that's obviously going to win without them would have an incentive not to spread the points. It's also not clear to me that most people want to see fic updates too close together on the same fic, or points-per-round in the round after a fic wins wouldn't be so much lower (often down by half) most of the time.
 
Alterego9 said:
An idea for fine-tuning the voting system: Instead of reverting winner's vote count to zero, it would make more sense to subtract the runner up's vote count from the winner's.

E.g if.:

# 1 I, Panacea - 450
# 2 Security! - 430

Then have Panacea start the next round with 20 points.

In the current system, if someone three rounds ago gave a single 5 point vote for I, Panacea, their vote is going to be totally lost, not reflected at all in the frquency of updates. A work that regularly beats it's opponents by large margins, gets disproportionally fewer updates per point gained, than a work that regularly skirts it by a few points.
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Reverting to zero gives all the other fics a chance to shine. If people want to see one particular fic, they'll vote it up.

Also, I've just posted another chapter for Really Bad End. Still working on Danny & Taylor.
 
m_d said:
But that tweak would also have the effect of reducing the votes to other fics that aren't the winning one, because the people who would ordinarily give those points to them rather than the one that's obviously going to win without them would have an incentive not to spread the points.
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You're saying it would reduce 'strategical voting' -- in my mind that'd be a benefit, since people would have less reason to be concerned about wasting their votes on a sure-to-win-next-round fic, they could just vote more easily on their true preferences.

On my part I like Alterego9's suggestion -- as he says, it means that every vote counts -- votes to certain winners just get counted *next* round.

Ack said:
Reverting to zero gives all the other fics a chance to shine.
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Eh, I'm not sure you quite understood Alterego's suggestion -- he only suggested that instead of reverting to zero, the winning fic should revert to ([winning fic's total] minus [runner up's total]). I don't think this would significantly reduce other fics' chance to shine -- e.g. if the winning fic is 20 votes ahead of the runner up, it's reduce to "20", rather than to "0".

But hey, the benefit either way is small, perhaps it's not really worth the extra complication/confusion.
 
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ArisKatsaris said:
You're saying it would reduce 'strategical voting' -- in my mind that'd be a benefit, since people would have less reason to be concerned about wasting their votes on a sure-to-win-next-round fic, they could just vote more easily on their true preferences.
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Indeed. I don't know about the rest of us, but personally, when I'm already busy with IRL stuff, I don't feel like calculating odds and tactically arranging lists, I just want to write down my five favorite titles and expect them to be proportionally represented.


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Reverting to zero gives all the other fics a chance to shine. If people want to see one particular fic, they'll vote it up.
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Yeah, but if a fic receives 50 votes per round, and another receives 10 per round, then people obviously want the former to shine 5 times as frequently as the latter. Yet the current system also has a large random factor, if the former regularly ends up winning against distant seconds, it gets to shine only three or four times as frequently, and loses much of it's adventage, while in an unlucky arrangement, even the latter can end up being a distant winner, and waste away a round's worth of voting power.
 
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Yeah, but if a fic receives 50 votes per round, and another receives 10 per round, then people obviously want the former to shine 5 times as frequently as the latter.
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Um, on second thought:
1st round: A- 10 votes, B - 50 votes (becoming 40)
2nd round: A- 20 votes, B - 90 votes (becoming 70)
3rd round: A - 30 votes, B - 110 votes (becoming 80)
4th round: A - 40 votes, B - 130 votes (becoming 90)
5th round: A - 50 votes, B - 140 votes (becoming 90)
6th round: A - 60 votes, B - 140 votes (becoming 80)
7th round: A - 70 votes, B - 130 votes (becoming 60)
8th round: A - 80 votes, B - 90 votes (becoming 10)
9th round: A - 90 votes (becoming 30), B - 60 votes
10th round: A - 40 votes, B - 110 votes (becoming 70)

I think their point is that with your suggestion fic 'A' gets to shine less than even proportionally. It's when the 50 votes get zeroed, that the 5-to-1 ratio is maintained. Somehow. I'm still a bit confused as to why.
 
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ArisKatsaris said:
Um, on second thought:
1st round: A- 10 votes, B - 50 votes (becoming 40)
2nd round: A- 20 votes, B - 90 votes (becoming 70)
3rd round: A - 30 votes, B - 110 votes (becoming 80)
4th round: A - 40 votes, B - 130 votes (becoming 90)
5th round: A - 50 votes, B - 140 votes (becoming 90)
6th round: A - 60 votes, B - 140 votes (becoming 80)
7th round: A - 70 votes, B - 130 votes (becoming 60)
8th round: A - 80 votes, B - 90 votes (becoming 10)
9th round: A - 90 votes (becoming 30), B - 60 votes
10th round: A - 40 votes, B - 110 votes (becoming 70)

I think their point is that with your suggestion fic 'A' gets to shine less than even proportionally. It's when the 50 votes get zeroed, that the 5-to-1 ratio is maintained. Somehow. I'm still a bit confused as to why.
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Because you're only using two fics and it's seriously screwing the numbers as a result. Try it with previous vote counts or something like that.
 
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We aren't voting to determine the proportional update schedule, we're voting on which story should get updated next. Changing things to be proportional sounds like it would be a nightmare to keep track of. Moreover zeroing out the vote count after each update ensures that no individual story gets updated twice in a row. This helps mitigate the effects of human biases like the mere-exposure effect on the update schedule of Ack's less well-known stories.
 
Okay.

My last word on this subject?

Subtracting the amount of the second highest score will leave the front runner with a non-zero starting tally on the next count. Which means that the more popular fics will pop up even more regularly. Which means that the less popular fics will have even less screen time. The whole 'vote' thing (thanks for voting, by the way) is intended to give all my fics a chance to be seen, so given that the more popular ones will indeed show up more regularly than the rest anyway ...

Yes, I know that all votes over the runner-up's tally are 'wasted'. I do see your point, but ... I really don't care. People will vote for what they want to vote for. If something gets to the front by one vote or fifty, it wins, it gets a chapter, then it goes to the back of the line. Simple. As. That.

And I really don't need to have another complication added to the math, here.
 
[X] Security! - 5
[X] Recoil - 4
[X] I, Panacea - 3
[X] Confrontation - 2
[X] Trump Card - 1
 
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