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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Darko said:
Loriel has the mind of someone that could be older than the planet Earth.
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Who's this? It's been a while since we focused on the Team and the name doesn't ring any bells. not to mention it resists my awesome google fu skillz. this is the closest thing I found:
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Agent Orange said:
Who's this? It's been a while since we focused on the Team and the name doesn't ring any bells. not to mention it resists my awesome google fu skillz. this is the closest thing I found:
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During the Angel Invasion Paul killed one of the Angels with the Sword of the Fallen.

This angel was called Noriel.

After Noriel reincarnated as a mortal, a demon found it and performed a ritual on his human girlfriend, Linda Danvers, to transfer all of the angels knowledge into her, but he also accidentally copied Noriels personality and it was fighting for control of the body, but he apparently did something to help Linda out, however OL later on disrupted whatever that was and now Noriel and Linda are either merged, or Noriel is the dominant personality, because an ancient angel versus an emotionally immature and unstable teenager tends to go in the favor of the angel.

After that said beings called itself Loriel.

Loriel primarily uses fire and may have other powerful magics at her disposal.

She also calls herself Supergirl, because Linda tried to frame Kara, who in this story still hasn't taken on the title of Supergirl and may not become a superhero, and now just calls herself that.

This is a re-imagining of the comic Linda Danvers version of Supergirl.

That version basically had some plasma entity from another universe bond to her and later on started calling herself Supergirl, while in this story she was bonded to an angel.
 
Crack theory: Mr Zoat has added Fate to the growing list of properties WTR has crossed over with. Because that spear sounds a lot like one of the abilities of Gae Bolg, which would make her a Servant... Hopefully she's a Lancer, and not one of the broken Archers using Gae Bolg as an opener.
 
Darko said:
During the Angel Invasion Paul killed one of the Angels with the Sword of the Fallen.

This angel was called Noriel.

After Noriel reincarnated as a mortal, a demon found it and performed a ritual on his human girlfriend, Linda Danvers, to transfer all of the angels knowledge into her, but he also accidentally copied Noriels personality and it was fighting for control of the body, but he apparently did something to help Linda out, however OL later on disrupted whatever that was and now Noriel and Linda are either merged, or Noriel is the dominant personality, because an ancient angel versus an emotionally immature and unstable teenager tends to go in the favor of the angel.

After that said beings called itself Loriel.

Loriel primarily uses fire and may have other powerful magics at her disposal.

She also calls herself Supergirl, because Linda tried to frame Kara, who in this story still hasn't taken on the title of Supergirl and may not become a superhero, and now just calls herself that.

This is a re-imagining of the comic Linda Danvers version of Supergirl.

That version basically had some plasma entity from another universe bond to her and later on started calling herself Supergirl, while in this story she was bonded to an angel.
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I thought she was still going by Noriel. If I'm wrong, can someone quote the relevant part that shows she's now going by Loriel?
 
Darko said:
She also calls herself Supergirl, because Linda tried to frame Kara, who in this story still hasn't taken on the title of Supergirl and may not become a superhero, and now just calls herself that.
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Wow. That's a lot of Supergirls in one place...

Count so far is:

1. a Nazi-falvoured one
2. a (Fallen) Angel-flavoured one
3. the real deal

The first two aren't really kryptonians and the last one (ironically) has no desire for either the name or the job :D

So the Team* has two discount Supergirls, an Apokalyptian, a Zamaronian (sp?), a Martian, a discount Kryptonian, a few Atlanteans (maybe, I'm honestly not sure whether any but Kaldur stuck around) and a number of human metas, Artemis and Robin, (Kid) Flash, Kid's girlfriend ??? (She-Magneto?) and ... who else? A couple of magicians (assuming Zatanna is back on the Team since Paul is once again nominally a part of it) and a... British Robin chick?

Anyone I missed?

*they really need a name. 'Titans' sounds a bit pretentions but it is classic. 'Teen Titans' wouldn't work since a lot of them aren't teens any longer.

edit: the Team's doing much better on the number of dedicated magic users than the League. Depending on how you count it they have at least half a dozen. They are also much lighter on the number of unempowered human members compared to when they started.
 
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Agent Orange said:
So the Team has two discount Supergirls, an Apokalyptian, a Zamaronian (sp?), a Martian, a discount Kryptonian, a few Atlanteans (maybe, I'm honestly not sure whether any but Kaldur stuck around) and a number of human metas, Artemis and Robin, (Kid) Flash, Kid's girlfriend ??? (She-Magneto?) and ... who else? A couple of magicians (assuming Zatanna is back on the Team since Paul is once again nominally a part of it) and a... British Robin chick?
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That depends on whether you are talking about the Paragon timeline version or the Renegade timeline version.
Paragon has Ghia'ta, Squire, Canis, Aquagirl, Tempest, Arisia, Cornwall Boy, Troia, Osiris, Starfire (Redstar in comics), Noriel, and Overgirl.
Renegade has Beowulf (Billy Batson's third identity), Celestial Archer, Match, Ixy (a G-Goblin), and Magenta.

Paragon has more members and versatility, while Renegade benefits from most members being New Gods or equivalents, and having New God tech.
 
Queshire said:
Ah, she's dumb but cute and has some neat abilities. Recruit her for the team.
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I find her irritating. Stupidity like that cannot be educated. You'll never convince her she has the wrong guy, so it would be kinder just to kill her. Or assimilate her. That destroys the soul too doesn't it? No afterlife for this bitch.
 
deimos16 said:
This is getting kinda weird. They can tell that he's the best Lantern alive, possibly in the Universe, yet no one in the future remembers him? Even Brainiac V didn't recognize him - he established a whole Corps that sends Lanterns to every part of the Universe, and is recruiting from other Universes. Why doesn't anyone remember him? I'd remember a demigod wielding the power of avarice itself that established a Corps full of people wielding avarice powers than say, Batman, who, while influential, was ultimately a guy in a bat costume.
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I'm starting to think that, due to how OL ended up in the universe, that he wasn't in the original timeline. Hence why no one knows him.

Kinda like if he did something like Truggs. Heading back from a future, and then being active in a past that he wasn't originally.
 
Agent Orange said:
Wait what??? Why would he be tripleshifting?



You're right. She is on Renegade's side of the coin. Wait what happened to her on Paragon side?
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Billy got the Sword of Beowulf and decided he wanted to hang out more with the Team than in the Paragon timeline, possibly because he didn't have Teth Adom to learn from. As for Magenta, Mr Zoat said that she was healed by KF's healing potion. Nothing else after that.
 
Agent Orange said:
"Well that's dumb... My attack that will always pierce the heart was disrupted by a metaphysical critical roll on a D20."

:D
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Darko said:
All Paul needs is some Luck and Instinct and he should be fine.



She can disrupt constructs so he decided to play it a bit more safe and not make a construct.
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Luck stat is the ability to overcome or overwrite fate. It's not much a metaphysical roll d20 and more like you have the ability to tell the DM to re roll his dice, until you agree with the results.
 
Mr Zoat said:
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18:47 GMT
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Ironically a fight that Paul is very well equipped to not lose but is tactically inclined to not win.
His opponent has super reflexes rather than super speed and only a single time-travelling spear with limited uses. She is very vulnerable to being overwhelmed by sheer dakka. Fortunately for her Paul will always try to finesse a problem rather than force it.
 
Agent Orange said:
Completely forgot about these three. Also, who's 'Arisia'?
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The Green Lantern who in the comics was in an inappropriate relationship with Hal Jordan. Here, she's learning under him, though OL suspects that the Guardians did that so that they could keep a closer eye on either/both Earth or/and OL.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Kinda like if he did something like Truggs. Heading back from a future, and then being active in a past that he wasn't originally.
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From a certain point of view he did just that. This fic started in 2013 and in-universe it was 2010 when OL (still nameless back then) popped into existence. He didn't really exist before that but from his PoV and PoV of those around him he is coming from 'the faraway year of 2013'. Not 2013 of this TL either (not 2013 of this universe either). I think he even commented on the time difference, it was just insignificant next to trapped in DCverse.

So really he has nothing to complain about all of these jokers not recognizing him as the Bestest Hero of Earth. He's in the same situation (except not).
 
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Mr Zoat said:
but over the total number unusual forms like this are more common than the statistical average."
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maybe 'but overall the total number of unusual forms like this are more common'

Or just 'but over the total number of unusual'

Ngamer11 said:
I thought she was still going by Noriel. If I'm wrong, can someone quote the relevant part that shows she's now going by Loriel?
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I tried to look for when she was called 'Loriel' by someone in the chapters, but I couldn't find anything.

Guess it was just something the readers started calling her.
 
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Senevri said:
I think he can't target her. Better question, why didn't Melmoth have similar defenses?
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This lady appears to have been designed to fight "a Lantern" as her sole purpose in existence. I suppose it's not surprising she has better protections than Melmoth in this limited case, since going all-in on one type of protection probably means she's weaker in other areas.

In which case the real lesson here is to pull a switch-er-roo with someone else and let her fight somebody whose attacks her defenses aren't optimized against.
 
Senevri said:
I think you're supposed to capitalize after colon,
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I don't believe that to be the case.
also a genuinely necessary comma missing after 'is'.
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Thank you, corrected.
Senevri said:
I think he can't target her. Better question, why didn't Melmoth have similar defenses?
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Because he got caught with his greaves down.
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maybe 'but overall the total number of unusual forms like this are more common'

Or just 'but over the total number of unusual'
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I think it's alright.
 
Steelplaza said:
This lady appears to have been designed to fight "a Lantern" as her sole purpose in existence. In which case the real lesson here is to pull a switch-er-roo with someone else and let her fight somebody whose attacks her defenses aren't optimized against.
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But if she was optimized against Hal Jordan she'd be immune to boxing glows and straight line ring blasts/beams. OL uses neither. Who'd be her worst match I wonder? Hmmm...

We already established she patterned herself after FSN Lancer so it's safe to assume she'd have a 'Protection Against Arrows' as her class skill. That means Artemis is out (and so are other members of Pointy Stick Launcher group). It works just as well against beams apparently. So any blasters won't be much better.
She either doesn't need to breathe or can hold her breath really long which makes gas attacks a no go. She can go invisible for extra damage (I dunno if Stealth Lancer is a thing but we all know how OP Stealth Archers are). She can mess with emotions. She has at least a blue belt in Déjà Fu. She's very bad at doing research and/or colourblind.

A regenerator resistant or immune to psychic attacks with indirect and/or conceptual AOE attacks of their own would do the trick I think. J'onn or M'gann perhaps? Cornwall or Zatanna otherwise.
 
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Agent Orange said:
But if she was optimized against Hal Jordan she'd be immune against boxing glows and straight line ring blasts/beams. OL uses neither. Who'd be her worst match I wonder? Hmmm...

We already established she patterned herself after FSN Lancer so she'd probably have a 'Protection Against Arrows' as her class skill. That means Artemis is out (and so are other members of Pointy Stick Launcher group). It works just as well against beams apparently. So any blasters won't be much better.
She either doesn't need to breathe or can hold her breath really long which makes gas attacks a no go. She can go invisible for extra damage (I dunno if Stealth Lancer is a thing but we all know how OP Stealth Archers are). She can mess with emotions. She has at least a blue belt in Déjà fu. She's very bad at doing research and/or colourblind.

A regenerator resistant or immune to psychic attacks with indirect and/or conceptual AOE attacks of their own would do the trick I think. J'onn or M'gann perhaps?
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A Black Lantern may be a good bet for beating her, due to the whole heart removal thing.
 
hance1986 said:
So the Sheeda harvest, but the past world always goes on not even noticing them as aggressors until the present point in the story where the Sheeda are kind of stuck in and can't or won't disengage so this might be all or nothing.
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I think you're kind of missing the scale the Sheeda are working on.

They're civilization-enders. It's not that they're not noticed. It's that the time between harrowings is so long that they're not even a myth by the time they show back up again.

I don't know if it's changed in this fic, but I believe that the comics version of the Sheeda has the first harrowing set sometime after 40,000 BC, and the last harrowing before this one took place ~10,000 years ago.

Kind of implicit in the entire concept of the Sheeda is that there's been some some number of civilizations that arose before our current knowledge of human history, each of which was wiped out by the Sheeda.
 
Valint said:
I don't know if it's changed in this fic, but I believe that the comics version of the Sheeda has the first harrowing set sometime after 40,000 BC, and the last harrowing before this one took place ~10,000 years ago.
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Renegade showed some UN members a recording of one of the past Harrowings, which took place during the time of the dinosaurs.

And when renegade was talking to Melmoth he asked him if Melmoth would just send him and Artemis during the time of the dinosaurs, to which Melmoth replied no, because he thought they would stop the Sheeda's Harrowing of a civilization that existed during that time.
 
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