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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Over Reaching (part 18)
3rd July 2012
11:11 GMT -5


Empathic vision shows me the positions of the Darkstars who follow me into the… I don't like calling it an 'embassy'. It isn't one. It's the centre of government for everything the Reach care to control directly, while maintaining a paper thin disguise that the opinion of the local 'rulers' matters at all. But there isn't another word for that. 'Assimilatorium' just sounds ridiculous.

I see locals cowering out of the way as I walk, but all of the blood I see is the right colour for it to have come from the garrison of Reach soldiers. I imagine that the Darkstars are rather enjoying the turnabout from the old way of things, when a garrison was difficult and a Scarab meant death, and I approve of the lack of collateral damage.

"Anyone home?! There's.. really nothing to be gained by hiding at this point!"

"So it would seem."

The Reach Assimilation Specialist in charge walks slowly into view, hands down and clearly visible. Some Assimilation Specialists get augmentations or scarabs, but my scans don't show anything like that here. This one is female, and the robes she wears are grey and green.

"Ah! Hello, Assimilation Specialist. I am the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps and I'm here to accept your surrender."

"I think that you are unduly optimistic."

"Probably, but I have to ask. It doesn't look good if we just go around slaughtering people who aren't actively resisting, and we need the popular support."

"And what would you do with me if I surrendered?"

I smile. "I'd put your face on the evening news on a thousand worlds. In practical terms it makes very little difference as… Well, we've won here."

"Are you certain?"

"Certain? No. If living on Earth has taught me anything, nothing is certain. That thing three generations of my species thought was a small planet turned out to be a giant frozen starfish." I shrug. "But as sure as I can reasonably be."

"You say that you are concerned with how this looks to a wider audience. Would-?"

"Look, I've listened to a lot of villainous monologues. Could you please skip to the actionable part of the threat?"

There's a slight hardening in her expression.

"Very well. I'm holding the entire infant population of this planet hostage. If I die, they all die. If I decide to kill them, they all die."

Hm.

"Alright, and that would look bad, but it doesn't change the strategic situation. Do you intend to negotiate for something, or do you just want me to know before you kill them? Because I have to warn you, I'm not a Green Lantern. I don't care all that much about the suffering of people I don't know."

"No one in the Reach government will consider me responsible for your people winning a few fleet engagements. But the people of this world will remain loyal to the Reach for as long as my hand remains to the activation switch."

I try a more detailed scan, and she smiles as she sees my eyes go orange.

"It's not literally a simple button. We have been aware that this war was coming for some time. There are a dozen sophisticated channels of communication linking me to the activation switch, and any interference at all will activate the system. A normal Lantern could stop perhaps two. A Lantern who specialised in data analysis like your Coluan or that space station AI might get as many as half."

"So… You expect us to let you stay here."

"In my estimation, there's a sixty percent chance that you will. Without a fleet here this planet isn't an active threat, and you haven't planned this war with the assumption that you'll be able to resupply locally. The adverse publicity wouldn't be a major blow, but it would be worse than ignoring me."

"And the other forty?"

"Thirty nine that you'll try and disarm it and fail. One percent that you'll kill me out of spite."

"None that we'll successfully disarm it?"

"No. We're rather good at death traps."

"Alright, well, be that as it may, I'm going to need to confirm the existence of this trap. I assume we can look at it without setting it off?"

"Certainly. The locals do like to visit their gestating offspring." She smiles, and Reach citizens… Don't have a good face for smiling. I'm not sure if it's the nose or the reduced mobility or the blatantly sinister intent… Not a good look. "Come with me."

I bow sarcastically as she walks past me, then follow her towards the normal entrance of the building. She waves at the somewhat intact console and the shutter covering the building tries to retract. It fails, the building's internal power network too badly damaged to make it do more than shudder. She stops then turns her head towards me.

"Would you mind?"

Treating a high ranked enemy as if they were a servant. This is going to be petty and annoying and if I wasn't fairly sure that I was going to win anyway I might walk back to the blasted hole out of spite.

I can detect some of the communication carriers. Intent as well as more normal forms of mundane and exotic transmission. Not a dozen, but they're sophisticated enough that I'm happy to accept the idea that there could well be others I'm not seeing. I can't tell from a cursory examination whether or not I could fake them to a sufficient standard to satisfy the dead man's switch system.

But.

There are still plenty of ways to prevent her dead man's switch going off. Sticking her in a medical coma and leaving her there while a telepath manipulates her thoughts into the 'right' shape would probably work, because a 'perfect' system is still depending on a perfectly flawed trigger condition. But killing a large number of people at exactly the same time will require a device to do the actual killing, and blocking that sounds a heck of a lot easier than trying to interfere with the detection end of the system.

"Of course not."

I slam a construct crumbler gauntlet into the shutter and it decays to dust.

"There you are."

Ring, transmit to the Darkstars.

Compliance.

Any truth to what she's saying?

Rather than a verbal response, someone on the team sends me a data file.

The locals… Reproduce in a way which uses eggs as a stage. More like fish eggs than bird eggs, the requirement for an aquatic environment and protection means that each city has a structure dedicated to housing them while they develop. When the Reach took the planet they took control of the incubators and booby trapped them. No problem with putting your egg in and taking it out seven months later as long as the planet stays loyal, but it means that every single family has a hostage while their egg is in there.

And naturally the Reach has been watching closely to make sure that everyone uses their incubators and no one is building any outside of their control. Still not totally sure why that was their only point of control; the Reach are usually really subtle in the early stages, and with direct access to their eggs I'd have expected them to go in there with the neural pruning.

I'll have to wait until we arrive to get a closer look.
 
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3rd July 2012
11:11 GMT -5


Empathic vision shows me the positions of the Darkstars who follow me into the… I don't like calling it an 'embassy'. It isn't one. It's the centre of government for everything the Reach care to control directly, while maintaining a paper thin disguise that the opinion of the local 'rulers' matters at all. But there isn't another word for that. 'Assimilatorium' just sounds ridiculous.
'Occupation centre' is slightly less obnoxious, but then it sounds like a job-seeker's facility. I hope the locals will be glad to see it gone, whatever it's called.

I see locals cowering out of the way as I walk, but all of the blood I see is the right colour for it to have come from the garrison of Reach soldiers. I imagine that the Darkstars are rather enjoying the turnabout from the old way of things, when a garrison was difficult and a Scarab meant death, and I approve of the lack of collateral damage.

"Anyone home?! There's.. really nothing to be gained by hiding at this point!"
Good to see that level of precision from the covert operations team. It bodes well for future activities...

"So it would seem."

The Reach Assimilation Specialist in charge walks slowly into view, hands down and clearly visible. Some Assimilation Specialists get augmentations or scarabs, but my scans don't show anything like that here. This one is female, and the robes she wears are grey and green.
Probably not considered a priority to have them augmented. If the population is compliant, with no signs of resistance or opposition, why would they expect them to need it?

"Ah! Hello, Assimilation Specialist. I am the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps and I'm here to accept your surrender."

"I think that you are unduly optimistic."
o_O Okay, that is not the attitude of someone in the weaker position here. What's she got that makes her think she's not at risk here?

"Probably, but I have to ask. It doesn't look good if we just go around slaughtering people who aren't actively resisting, and we need the popular support."

"And what would you do with me if I surrendered?"
Interrogation, public display... Depending on applicable crimes, a public execution?

I smile. "I'd put your face on the evening news on a thousand worlds. In practical terms it makes very little difference as… Well, we've won here."

"Are you certain?"
Okay, seriously, what is with her attitude... Is she about to reveal the planet-killing bombs or something?

"Certain? No. If living on Earth has taught me anything, nothing is certain. That thing three generations of my species thought was a small planet turned out to be a giant frozen starfish." I shrug. "But as sure as I can reasonably be."

"You say that you are concerned with how this looks to a wider audience. Would-?"
Oh, gods, she's going to monologue, isn't she? This isn't a dramatic performance, my dear. Get to the point.

"Look, I've listened to a lot of villainous monologues. Could you please skip to the actionable part of the threat?"

There's a slight hardening in her expression.
Yes, yes, all very rude. Some things just aren't done, and all that. I suspect OL would like to be away from here as soon as possible, if only to minimize casualties on both sides.

"Very well. I'm holding the entire infant population of this planet hostage. If I die, they all die. If I decide to kill them, they all die."

Hm.
:mad: ...Motherfucker. That is not cool. And no wonder the people are so compliant. How'd the Reach manage that coup, I wonder?

"Alright, and that would look bad, but it doesn't change the strategic situation. Do you intend to negotiate for something, or do you just want me to know before you kill them? Because I have to warn you, I'm not a Green Lantern. I don't care all that much about the suffering of people I don't know."

"No one in the Reach government will consider me responsible for your people winning a few fleet engagements. But the people of this world will remain loyal to the Reach for as long as my hand remains to the activation switch."
You do realise that suggest one easy solution? I wonder if a Brand would be quick enough to prevent her tripping the killswitch...

I try a more detailed scan, and she smiles as she sees my eyes go orange.

"It's not literally a simple button. We have been aware that this war was coming for some time. There are a dozen sophisticated channels of communication linking me to the activation switch, and any interference at all will activate the system. A normal Lantern could stop perhaps two. A Lantern who specialised in data analysis like your Coluan or that space station AI might get as many as half."
The Reach seems very well informed. I wonder if someone's been feeding them information, or if they have very talented spies... Either way, NEMO is going to be doing some housecleaning...

"So… You expect us to let you stay here."

"In my estimation, there's a sixty percent chance that you will. Without a fleet here this planet isn't an active threat, and you haven't planned this war with the assumption that you'll be able to resupply locally. The adverse publicity wouldn't be a major blow, but it would be worse than ignoring me."
And getting an entire generation of a Reach 'client race' killed will be really bad for their reputation. :sneaky: Oh, you think you hold all the high cards, don't you?

"And the other forty?"

"Thirty nine that you'll try and disarm it and fail. One percent that you'll kill me out of spite."
Because of course there's no chance of them successfully preventing the atrocity. Oh, you people have a lot to learn...

"None that we'll successfully disarm it?"

"No. We're rather good at death traps."
The aforementioned planet-killing bombs amongst them, of course. Hardly subtle, but quite a big stick...

"Alright, well, be that as it may, I'm going to need to confirm the existence of this trap. I assume we can look at it without setting it off?"

"Certainly. The locals do like to visit their gestating offspring." She smiles, and Reach citizens… Don't have a good face for smiling. I'm not sure if it's the nose or the reduce mobility or the blatantly sinister intent… Not a good look. "Come with me."
Such a good face for righteously punching, though. I am quite sure OL is sorely tempted by all this...

I bow sarcastically as she walks past me, then follow her towards the normal entrance of the building. She waves at the somewhat intact console and the shutter covering the building tries to retract. It fails, the building's internal power network too badly damaged to make it do more than shudder. She stops then turns her head towards me.

"Would you mind?"
...Well, it kind of is the Darkstars' fault it's busted... But seriously rude.

Treating a high ranked enemy as if they were a servant. This is going to be petty and annoying and if I wasn't fairly sure that I was going to win anyway I might walk back to the blasted hole out of spite.

I can detect some of the communication carriers. Intent as well as more normal forms of mundane and exotic transmission. Not a dozen, but they're sophisticated enough that I'm happy to accept the idea that there could well be others I'm not seeing. I can't tell from a cursory examination whether or not I could fake them to a sufficient standard to satisfy the dead man's switch system.
Crud. This might take some very lucky skill rolls to overcome... Or it could be as simple as a chemical agent in the nurseries...

But.

There are still plenty of ways to prevent her dead man's switch going off. Sticking her in medical coma and leaving her there while a telepath manipulates her thoughts into the 'right' shape would probably work, because an 'perfect' system is still depending on a perfectly flawed trigger condition. But killing a large number of people at exactly the same time will require a device to do the actual killing, and blocking that sounds a heck of a lot easier that trying to interfere with the detection end of the system.
Indeed. Easier to remove the detonator than the payload, but sometimes the detonator is very, very sensitive...

"Of course not."

I slam a construct crumbler gauntlet into the shutter and it decays to dust.
...While wishing it were her face, deep down in the back of his mind, I bet. I am seriously looking forwards to seeing this arsehole sorted.

"There you are."

Ring, transmit to the Darkstars.
Private chat to check she isn't bluffing. Good move, never assume the enemy isn't lying in some way.

Compliance.

Any truth to what she's saying?

Rather than a verbal response, someone on the team sends me a data file.
Clever. Given the speed at which a Lantern can read the file, it's quicker than talking.

The locals… Reproduce in a way which uses eggs as a stage. More like fish eggs than bird eggs, the requirement for an aquatic environment and protection means that each city has a structure dedicated to housing them while they develop. When the Reach took the planet they took control of the incubators and booby trapped them. No problem with putting your egg in and taking it out seven months later as long as the planet stays loyal, but it means that every single family has a hostage while their egg is in there.
Man, that's an evolutionary glitch if ever I've seen one. No doubt their early civilisations were placed near bodies of water for breeding purposes...

And naturally the Reach has been watching closely to make sure that everyone uses their incubators and no one is building any outside of their control. Still not totally sure why that was their only point of control; the Reach are usually really subtle in the early stages, and with direct access to their eggs I'd have expected them to go in there with the neural pruning.

I'll have to wait until we arrive to get a closer look.
o_O Maybe their usual techniques wouldn't work? With a reproductive method as strange as these folk have, I bet their biology is all kinds of odd.

:confused: Great. Just when you think the Reach couldn't be any more pointlessly evil, this comes along. It is going to be damn satisfying to see the 'ambassador's face when OL pulls off the impossible and saves the hostages. ...What, this is OL we're talking about, I doubt he'd accept the alternatives if he could do anything about it. :cool:
 
This lady has no idea who she is dealing with. Heroes of the deathworld Earth are used to saving massive amounts of hostages from big deathtraps all the time!

Seriously, if Batman were here he would have solved the issue within five minutes and only play along for the rest of the time just to get as much useful info as possible afterwards, since bad guys love sharing sensitive information when they think they have upper hand and other said has no chance of beating them.
 
This lady has no idea who she is dealing with. Heroes of the deathworld Earth are used to saving massive amounts of hostages from big deathtraps all the time!

Seriously, if Batman were here he would have solved the issue within five minutes and only play along for the rest of the time just to get as much useful info as possible afterwards, since bad guys love sharing sensitive information when they think they have upper hand and other said has no chance of beating them.
Batman and baby is a bad combo for any one really
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So, step one of whatever method there is to rescue this planet is to seize the desires of the Assimilator to make it impossible for her to want to set off the trap.

Except I expect the Reach will have thought of that, given that they knew they were going into a war with an entire army of mind control specialists. It's unlikely they can detect any of the more esoteric things OL can do to her, but that only buys time. Eventually, one of the other Reach citizens with access to the system informs it that she has been compromised, and then bye bye baby.

So we need other options. First one: overpowering might. Delay the Assimilator by an hour through one of any number of means, then have all the Lanterns in the system descend upon the incubators to transfer all the eggs out in the same instant. Or surround the incubators in temporal stasis beams, or shield all the eggs directly. Lots of options here, depending on what the actual booby trap looks like.

Option two: mass shutdown. Figure out how all the traps work through whatever means you can use safely, then disable the laws of physics which let them work in those localities. That's basically how FTL jammers work, so this is definitely possible. The primary advantage of this strategy is that the Reach is required to let them scan the devices. It wouldn't be much of a threat if you had to conceal how it works so well that nobody can be sure it even would. The mechanism of action needs to be public, or else people might just take their chances.

I don't think we have enough information to say anything more specific yet...but then we get to the question of what happens after.

For one, the Assimilator *must* be thrown to the crowds, to be disposed of as they see fit. She put thought into how to exterminate countless innocent lives, and the message must be sent that such behavior is not tolerated by the OLC. Every other Reach official should suffer a similar fate. Civility is irrelevant here. They did something far worse than choose to be death camp guards, and they should therefore recieve the same treatment: summary execution at the hands of their former prisoners.

The puppeted government which is implied to exist should be rehabilitated for actual rule as quickly as possible. It needs to be clear to everyone, everywhere, that the OLC isn't a new boss same as the old boss situation. Their stated goal of wiping out the Reach as a polity must very clearly be seen to be their actual goal, and the best way to do that will be to have zero obvious connections to the government which comes out of this. No threats or coercion, implied or otherwise.

Then they need to publicise what they've done. A sufficiently dedicated Orange Lantern can probably hijack the major communications systems of a region or planet on an outer sphere world to deliver the propaganda, at least long enough to embolden local resistance movements. Things will be way easier if the OLC comes to worlds already in revolt.
 
"But the people of this world will remain loyal to the Reach for as long as my hand remains to the activation switch."

So what you're saying is that if you die, and the dead man's switch goes off, the planet will no longer be loyal to the Reach? Unhappy about things, sure, but hey, *you're* the one who killed their kids.
 
"But the people of this world will remain loyal to the Reach for as long as my hand remains to the activation switch."

So what you're saying is that if you die, and the dead man's switch goes off, the planet will no longer be loyal to the Reach? Unhappy about things, sure, but hey, *you're* the one who killed their kids.

"It was totally the OL Cirps who did it, you guys!"

Paul is totally transmitting this talk in real time, right?
 
Eh... it's just eggs, not even all the children.

Even if there's a problem saving them, it's very easy to reopen an incubation center and start again.
All you lost is 7 months.
 
This lady has no idea who she is dealing with. Heroes of the deathworld Earth are used to saving massive amounts of hostages from big deathtraps all the time!

Seriously, if Batman were here he would have solved the issue within five minutes and only play along for the rest of the time just to get as much useful info as possible afterwards, since bad guys love sharing sensitive information when they think they have upper hand and other said has no chance of beating them.

Paul hasn't known about this issue for even five minutes. Give the man a chance. And Batman isn't perfect; he makes mistakes. Sending a group of children into a foreign country without any established leadership? Putting them all through an alien-created VR mission without fully understanding the risks? Marrying Talia al Ghul.

The Reach aren't someone Batman can intimidate with just a batglare. And remember, when he was mind controlled to attach Rimbor, he gave himself up with the others to go to alien court. In Justice League Unlimited, when the others wanted to give themselves up, he scoffed at that, so he could deal with the issue.

The Batman in YJ is different (to me) from the ones in other media, like the one that threatened to blow up Apokolips if Darkseid didn't release... Supergirl, I think?
 
Okay, seriously, what is with her attitude... Is she about to reveal the planet-killing bombs or something?

Something like that.

Oh, gods, she's going to monologue, isn't she? This isn't a dramatic performance, my dear. Get to the point.

She's a villain, what did you expect?

You do realise that suggest one easy solution? I wonder if a Brand would be quick enough to prevent her tripping the killswitch...

The Reach may have countermeasures in place in case someone tries to mind control them.

:confused: Great. Just when you think the Reach couldn't be any more pointlessly evil, this comes along.

Oh they've done all sorts of evil things.

Paul once mentioned them having an entire population commit suicide.
 
The solution is to ring scan for all the eggs and then desire to ensure they all survive really hard. No need for anything complex. Just enforce the desire to see the reach fail.
 
Hey, a bit of a dumb question, but to shove something into the subspace you need to touch it with orange light, right ? And if Paul would merge with Best Snek then he could instantly steal every single building hosting eggs. There, eggs safe and frozen in time until they have facilities.
 
Everybody is hung up on the planet-killing bombs. Maybe they don't have those, here. Perhaps their methods of control/denial differ based on the populations. Or maybe they only use the bombs until they have a better or more subtle form available. Here, since this population use these birthing chambers, they can hold them hostage to force compliance.

Hey, a bit of a dumb question, but to shove something into the subspace you need to touch it with orange light, right ? And if Paul would merge with Best Snek then he could instantly steal every single building hosting eggs. There, eggs safe and frozen in time until they have facilities.

I'm not certain if living things can be put in subspace, but I've no idea. The question is, even with Best Snek, if he'd be able to save ever single birthing chamber before they are destroyed. The Branding idea might work, simply changing her desires to keeping all those eggs intact, but that would be an option of last resort.

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I'm more concerned with the level of intel that the Reach seems to have on the OLC, and their claims on what Dox and the Station would be able to accomplish. This further pushes the "get some telepaths" idea to the front of the line. They need to do an intensive sweep of everybody with any form of access to LEGION (I find it unlikely it's an OLC member, but I suppose that it could be possible).
 
Everybody is hung up on the planet-killing bombs. Maybe they don't have those, here. Perhaps their methods of control/denial differ based on the populations. Or maybe they only use the bombs until they have a better or more subtle form available. Here, since this population use these birthing chambers, they can hold them hostage to force compliance.



I'm not certain if living things can be put in subspace, but I've no idea. The question is, even with Best Snek, if he'd be able to save ever single birthing chamber before they are destroyed. The Branding idea might work, simply changing her desires to keeping all those eggs intact, but that would be an option of last resort.

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I'm more concerned with the level of intel that the Reach seems to have on the OLC, and their claims on what Dox and the Station would be able to accomplish. This further pushes the "get some telepaths" idea to the front of the line. They need to do an intensive sweep of everybody with any form of access to LEGION (I find it unlikely it's an OLC member, but I suppose that it could be possible).
I mean, the Orange Lantern Corp haven't actually been subtle about their overall intent. And if she's claiming the Reach have spies that informed her of the specific intent to attack this world she's lying because this world was a spur of the moment improvisation.

As far as knowledge of how Orange Light works: there's the original Orange Lantern to consider and also the rings that got scattered accross the universe
 
Along with earning the hatred of an entire planet and potentially damaging your reputation with a lot of people because you essentially killed millions of infants.

I'm talking about as the native of that world.
Personally, I think it's not that big a deal.
Sad yes. Unfortunate, yes. Important event, no.

EDIT: If I was talking as OLC, all we lost is a bit of goodwill, probably gained a few months timeline wise.

EDIT2: Reasoning:
1) There's only a very small percent of the population that is "pregnant" at a point in time. Most of the population aren't affected.
2) Maybe it's just me, but it brings up the feel of chicken eggs to me. Eggs doesn't affect the body as much as in vivo, and can easily be produced again.
3) Minimal investment (emotional or otherwise) is affected, as it's only 7 months time.

Basically, like a stock market crash. Bad yes, but it's not permanent, nor wide ranging.
 
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I'm talking about as the native of that world.
Personally, I think it's not that big a deal.
Sad yes. Unfortunate, yes. Important event, no.

EDIT: If I was talking as OLC, all we lost is a bit of goodwill, probably gained a few months timeline wise.

If you ripped the baby out of the womb of a woman without her permission people will hate you for it.

No ifs or buts.

If you did that to every single pregnant person on the planet, then you're going to earn a special place in the hall of most hated people.

And it kinda is an important event, both to the planet, since you know, mass child death and all that, as well as to the OLC, since it would basically show how far they're willing to go.

And they may not just lose some goodwill, but they may also lose the support of some of their allies.

They may have known that the war was not going to be easy or clean, but to win a battle by killing millions of infants is a whole new level of horror that a lot of people can't stomach.
 
If you ripped the baby out of the womb of a woman without her permission people will hate you for it.

No ifs or buts.

If you did that to every single pregnant person on the planet, then you're going to earn a special place in the hall of most hated people.

And it kinda is an important event, both to the planet, since you know, mass child death and all that, as well as to the OLC, since it would basically show how far they're willing to go.

And they may not just lose some goodwill, but they may also lose the support of some of their allies.

They may have known that the war was not going to be easy or clean, but to win a battle by killing millions of infants is a whole new level of horror that a lot of people can't stomach.

We humans take the eggs of chickens daily for ages, and... well, IDK if chicken hates us, but humans certainly don't feel anything.
 
I mean, the Orange Lantern Corp haven't actually been subtle about their overall intent. And if she's claiming the Reach have spies that informed her of the specific intent to attack this world she's lying because this world was a spur of the moment improvisation.

As far as knowledge of how Orange Light works: there's the original Orange Lantern to consider and also the rings that got scattered accross the universe

I think the point is - she's a nobody in the reach heirarchy, on an unimportant world, and she knows about the OLC structure enough to know about Dox and Ranx(?). If she knows just that much, then imagine with the higher ups would know.

Honestly, they should just go to the Reach homeworld, and blow up the sun. Or turn it into a black hole.
 
Honestly, they should just go to the Reach homeworld, and blow up the sun. Or turn it into a black hole.

This reminds about another Lantern SI, specifically an Indigo.

The author was planning to have his SI use the Proselyte to go all Sun Eater on the Reach's sun.

Sadly the story is dead and never got that far.
 
This reminds about another Lantern SI, specifically an Indigo.

The author was planning to have his SI use the Proselyte to go all Sun Eater on the Reach's sun.

Sadly the story is dead and never got that far.

That's a good idea, but the Reach are smart enough to probably figure out how to deal with Sun Eaters. They did, after all, beat the GLC (draws count as a loss to the GL's). And the last thing you'd want is to give the Reach access to something as dangerous as Sun Eaters.

I was inspired more by Stargate, where Carter blew up a sun to stop Apophis, and the Asgard collapsed theirs to destroy the Replicators.
 
That's a good idea, but the Reach are smart enough to probably figure out how to deal with Sun Eaters. They did, after all, beat the GLC (draws count as a loss to the GL's). And the last thing you'd want is to give the Reach access to something as dangerous as Sun Eaters.

I was inspired more by Stargate, where Carter blew up a sun to stop Apophis, and the Asgard collapsed theirs to destroy the Replicators.

I wasn't talking about them using a Sun Eater.

I meant the SI merging with an Entity and destroying their sun like a Sun Eater would.
 
I can't wait to see that smug scum's reaction when Paul saves all of the eggs. That should make the locals more agreeable to helping LEGION and reveal what it is the Reach find so fascinating about their species/planet.
And then just to spite him the other failsafe kicks in and the whole planet exploded.

Even putting aside our metaknowledge of Reach tactics, you never just put in place a single failsafe, because that leaves the chance for it to be disarmed.
 

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