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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
Not really.

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I think the hair color makes her look much more like Kom than Kori.

Mr Zoat said:
No, he was content to leave Larfleeze to his cave.
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Very sensible as expected.
 
Coda said:
I'm a bit skeptical. Zeus maps rather neatly onto the sky-father archetype common to religions descended from the Proto-Indo-European culture, right down to the name "Zeus" itself. It seems exceptionally unlikely that Poseidon would have ORIGINALLY been the king figure. If he ever held that title, it would have been a fairly short-term Bronze Age thing that rolled back later.
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Actually there is evidence for it with mycenaen Greece back when poseidon was also a cthonic god. Back then gods of death were held as being more important with many of the major ones like Pan Hermos, Dionysus, Demeter/Persephone all at the time being major gods and psychopomps. There is additional evidence that like pan and hermes poseidon and hades were once the same god with the predecessor to persephone/demeter being his queen of the gods.
 
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Razorfloss said:
Humans and tamera are capable of breeding together see nightstar Nightwing and Starfires daughter. Humans are the dittos of the dc verse and can breed with just about everything. Also
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Being human has nothing to do with it.

DC also has- Czarnian/Durlan, Coluan/Kryptonian, kryptonian/ogigi, Branx/Okaaran, New God/Martian, New God/Kryptonian, Korugaran/Ungaran, Imskian/Daxamite, Coluan/Bgztlian, and Almeraci/every planet they've ever conquered hybrids.

And that's just the ones I can remember off hand.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"She tried to toast some bread with her plasma vision this morning and accidentally froze it instead."

Koriand'r stares at me for a second, and then her face lights up in an expression of pure joy! "Oh that is wondrous news! I will now go to bake the niffka cakes and prepare the funny hats!"

"Okay, thank you, but what does it mean in English?"

"Blackfire is pregnant!"
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I don't get it:confused:
Aren't almost all of the powers (other than flight) supposed to be because of the Psion experiments?
And wouldn't that mean that said plasma vision would be something only Koriand'r and Komand'r have?

How did Koriand'r connect plasma vision becoming freeze vision to Komand'r being pregnant

I doubt it had happened to Koriand'r already;)
Or is it something that happened to X'Hal and they have legends of it:confused:
 
Twilight666 said:
I don't get it:confused:
Aren't almost all of the powers (other than flight) supposed to be because of the Psion experiments?
And wouldn't that mean that said plasma vision would be something only Koriand'r and Komand'r have?

How did Koriand'r connect plasma vision becoming freeze vision to Komand'r being pregnant

I doubt it had happened to Koriand'r already;)
Or is it something that happened to X'Hal and they have legends of it:confused:
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In the fic Assimilation, Tamaraneans have gained powers before.

Every few centuries their planet would be bathed in solar radiation and a few people would gain powers from that.

If something similar happened here, then maybe there were records of super-powered Tamareans experiencing these things when they were pregnant.

That, or the eye-beam thing may be something they all have after they go through their puberty cocoon cycle, but Kori and Komand'r got the ability to shoot starbolts from their hands when they were experimented on.
 
Twilight666 said:
I don't get it:confused:
Aren't almost all of the powers (other than flight) supposed to be because of the Psion experiments?
And wouldn't that mean that said plasma vision would be something only Koriand'r and Komand'r have?

How did Koriand'r connect plasma vision becoming freeze vision to Komand'r being pregnant

I doubt it had happened to Koriand'r already;)
Or is it something that happened to X'Hal and they have legends of it:confused:
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Was it ever explicitly stated that was where their powers came from in Teen Titans? Because Teen Titans Koriand'r escaped the gordanians, not the psions or the Citadel.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Was it ever explicitly stated that was where their powers came from in Teen Titans? Because Teen Titans Koriand'r escaped the gordanians, not the psions or the Citadel.
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You did write that a Psion apparently experimented on her.

Mr Zoat said:
Maybe we can hunt down the psion responsible for your transformation?"
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Maybe after Komand'r betrayed her people and sold Kori, both she and Kori were taken by the Psions and experimented on, but instead of escaping like they did in the comics, they were separated and the Gordanians took Kori, but she later escaped.

I don't think it was stated if their powers were natural or due to experimentation, but if they were because of experimentation, then maybe you can use my above theory as for what happened in your version of the TT cartoon universe.

And that whole 'bathed in radiation every few centuries and gaining powers' for how Kori would know ice beams were a sign of pregnancy.

Or that eye beams were something every Tamaranean had, but due to experimentation, Kori and her sister also have the power to shoot energy from their hands.
 
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Darko said:
You did write that a Psion apparently experimented on her.



Maybe after Komand'r betrayed her people and sold Kori, both she and Kori were taken by the Psions and experimented on, but instead of escaping like they did in the comics, they were separated and the Gordanians took Kori, but she later escaped.

I don't think it was stated if their powers were natural or due to experimentation, but if they were because of experimentation, then maybe you can use my above theory as for what happened in your version of the TT cartoon universe.

And that whole 'bathed in radiation every few centuries and gaining powers' for how Kori would know ice beams were a sign of pregnancy.

Or that eye beams were something every Tamaranean had, but due to experimentation, Kori and her sister also have the power to shoot energy from their hands.
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How did she know that activating her super strength required a particular emotion?
 
Mr Zoat said:
How did she know that activating her super strength required a particular emotion?
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Maybe that's something every Tamaranean can do.

They all have super strength, compared to humans, and Kori may just be stronger due to the experiments.

And if she was trained by the Warlords of Okaara, then maybe they taught her certain techniques that will allow her to become stronger.

Or again, there's the Assimilation thing where others have gotten powers before and it may be recorded.

Or before she escaped, the Gordanians wanted to test out her fighting ability and she figured out certain emotions made her powers work in different ways.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Thank you, corrected.

For goodness sake, Maxima, you're not playing vaginal pokemon here.
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I'd have likened it to the Borg myself, but yeah. The Almeraci would conquer a planet, if the planet was impressive enough, one of the survivors would be "lucky" enough to be the sex slave of the person who committed an act of genocide against their people.

So Maxima's ancestors were probably rolling in their graves that Maxima's idea of foreplay don't include genocide, conquest, and rape.

Kind a makes one wonder what the GLC was doing all that time that the Almeraci Empire was genociding its way to apotheosis.

Mr Zoat said:
Was it ever explicitly stated that was where their powers came from in Teen Titans? Because Teen Titans Koriand'r escaped the gordanians, not the psions or the Citadel.
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I always figured that Tamaraneans in the titans cartoon just naturally had starbolts, flight, and strength.
 
Stsword said:
Kind a makes one wonder what the GLC was doing all that time that the Almeraci Empire was genociding its way to apotheosis.
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Just a theory of mine, but maybe they were too busy with the Reach to bother with Almerac at the time, and after they finished their war they told the Almeraci to stop what they were doing, and that's why Maxima does things the way she does.

Because if she tried it the way of her ancestors, then the GLC pays her a visit.
 
WereDragon said:
Title is a little concerning. Liberty isn't something you want killed in most circumstances.
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I think it's a kind of a joke that now aside from having a ball and chain, which is Komand'r and fits her much, much better than calling any other wife that, what with her basically being Bitch Queen Supreme and selling people into slavery, he now also has a kid and has lost some of his freedom.

The previous chapters where he showed up were called Sororicide and Uxoricide, which means the killing of a sister and the killing of a lover, but no sister or lover died during those chapters and was just a play of words in the episode in which Komand'r first showed up in the cartoon and on the relationship between Raul, or Red Daddy, and Komand'r for the second.
 
Twilight666 said:
I don't get it:confused:
Aren't almost all of the powers (other than flight) supposed to be because of the Psion experiments?
And wouldn't that mean that said plasma vision would be something only Koriand'r and Komand'r have?

How did Koriand'r connect plasma vision becoming freeze vision to Komand'r being pregnant
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That's the comics. In the Teen Titans cartoon, all Tamaraneans can do starbolts and developing eyebeams is a full on puberty thing(complete with an episode dedicated to it).
 
GhostKing 666 said:
That's the comics. In the Teen Titans cartoon, all Tamaraneans can do starbolts and developing eyebeams is a full on puberty thing(complete with an episode dedicated to it).
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I don't really remember any other Tamaraneans displaying such abilities, and I thought that if she got eye beams post puberty then it may be because her puberty adapted to the experiments and gave her those.
 
Darko said:
I don't really remember any other Tamaraneans displaying such abilities, and I thought that if she got eye beams post puberty then it may be because her puberty adapted to the experiments and gave her those.
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When Raven and Starfire switch bodies, Starfire talks like her powers are just normal Tamaranean powers that they all have.
 
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When Raven and Starfire switch bodies, Starfire talks like her powers are just normal Tamaranean powers that they all have.
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If this is true then maybe Komand'r was the only one that was experimented upon, and the disease that robbed her of flight also robbed her of the starbolts.

Though I don't think it was ever mentioned in the tie in comics if she had this disease.

I think Kori just got more attention than her, but nothing about the Citadel attacking on the day of her birth or about any disease.
 
The Teen Titans incarnation of the species is actually pretty damn different from their usual portrayal.

In the Teen Titans cartoon, all Tamaraneans have the same powers that Starfire and Blackfire can use.

The Psions are never mentioned. I think all we're really told about the rest of their part of space is that Blackfire handed Starfire over to the Gordanians in exchange for the Gordanians not invading Tamaran. Whereas in the comics Blackfire helped them in their invasion and they were almost driven to extinction before they surrendered.

So I'd say the fact that they were never invaded in the cartoon is a pretty big change.

In the comics they were also supposed to be a pretty peaceful race, but in the cartoon they're a warrior civilization.

Tamaraneans are principally a warrior culture. Children are brought up to be tough and self-reliant; weakness is frowned upon. While personal affection is permissible, it apparently must not be shown in general public, or at least to strangers.

Though apparently one of the things they value the most is friendship, complete with some special friendship festival.
 
WereDragon said:
Wonder if it was seeing how OP his alts have become or just fighting a high-end demon that prompted his enlightenment?
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No. He just hated Trigon that much that it overrode all of the normal civilised blocks people put on their hatreds.
Title is a little concerning. Liberty isn't something you want killed in most circumstances.
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If you have children, you no longer have liberty. You are bound to them. Your first job is bringing them up.
 
What's the name of the Crisis of Infinite Pails episode again? I wanted to check something.
 
ForeverShogo said:
The Teen Titans incarnation of the species is actually pretty damn different from their usual portrayal.

In the Teen Titans cartoon, all Tamaraneans have the same powers that Starfire and Blackfire can use.

The Psions are never mentioned. I think all we're really told about the rest of their part of space is that Blackfire handed Starfire over to the Gordanians in exchange for the Gordanians not invading Tamaran. Whereas in the comics Blackfire helped them in their invasion and they were almost driven to extinction before they surrendered.

So I'd say the fact that they were never invaded in the cartoon is a pretty big change.

In the comics they were also supposed to be a pretty peaceful race, but in the cartoon they're a warrior civilization.

Tamaraneans are principally a warrior culture. Children are brought up to be tough and self-reliant; weakness is frowned upon. While personal affection is permissible, it apparently must not be shown in general public, or at least to strangers.

Though apparently one of the things they value the most is friendship, complete with some special friendship festival.
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Komand'r actually did betray her people by giving info to the Gordanians in the TT cartoon, who did invade the planet.

It was shown in one of the tie in comics.

I also think that TT Komand'r betrayed her people and sold her sister just because they seemed to like her more, instead of her losing the throne due to a disease.

And I also think that they were a warrior race in the comics, but while they valued martial skills they also valued friendship and kept their warrior ways out of a sense of ceremony and tradition, but were otherwise peaceful and non aggressive.

The only version of Komand'r who gave her sister away, but did not betray her people, was the n52 one, who would do a lot to protect her people, but otherwise regretted it and still loved her sister.

Mr Zoat said:
If you have children, you no longer have liberty. You are bound to them. Your first job is bringing them
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Called it.

Darko said:
I think it's a kind of a joke that now aside from having a ball and chain, which is Komand'r and fits her much, much better than calling any other wife that, what with her basically being Bitch Queen Supreme and selling people into slavery, he now also has a kid and has lost some of his freedom
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hkim said:
What's the name of the Crisis of Infinite Pails episode again? I wanted to check something.
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Repetition and Duplication.

It's a two parter.
 
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