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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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BlueMangoAdea said:
I mean, if you know that someone's values are contradictory to yours, removal is the only acceptable option. Or something like that?
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It depends on how and where they contradict, but there are certainly contradictions that an observer would find utterly unacceptable.
 
Does the video game use alien programming tech? An accidental Paul-AI would be a fun little sub arc...

It would be interesting in general to read more about economic disruptions Paul is causing.

The Sheeda tossed a mountain into that particular lake anyway and if they use Shizo tech to rebuild, uplift could happen a lot faster than before.
 
Vaermina said:
Except... You can't see "for sure" because you get shut down by extreme's of Hope.
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...What are you talking about now? He gets shuts down by extreme amounts of any emotion, not specifically hope, like the time he saw Guy before he first summoned Ion.

Even then, that was his old Emo-VisionTM ​and we don't know what the lits are for his bew version.
 
Signaller said:
Should we be reading in to the fact that he didn't mention Jade as a non-work-thing?
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As other have already mentioned, Jade is busy fighting in the war so it would be kind of self defeating to spend time with her when he's meant to be on leave
 
I can't wait to see the game come out, backed by Justice League endorsement (or at least, OL's endorsements)

I'd love to see what comes from Earth getting a solid understanding of an entire galaxies' collective societies.
Wonder if people would shut down or start screaming once they find out everything was real.
 
Mr Zoat said:
He doesn't do that. Remember, Geoffrey Talbot's ring was made without blood magic by a Qwardian.
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I kinda assumed the napalm blood thing was as part of Red rings Branding and Taking was to Orange or (insert unique special feature/skills) was to (insert color) rings?
 
The Other Half (part 9)
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    • 12th July 2012
    20:52 GMT

    I step through the open blast door and into one of the offices on the increasingly misnamed 'dark side' of the moon.

    "Lex said that you wanted to speak to me?"

    Other Lex nods distractedly as he continues to pore over intelligence reports collected by hush tube from many unsuspecting interstellar civilisations.

    "I've already told your Lex, but I've concluded that your attempts at uplift are… Passable."

    "Be still my beating heart."

    "I've outlined a few areas for improvement-."

    "Please tell me you didn't say that to Lex."

    He sits up slightly and gives me a marginally larger portion of his attention.

    "Why ever not?"

    "Because as much as he's doing better these days, we've still got a considerable distance to go before he'll be capable of responding rationally to criticism like that."

    I generate a construct chair and sit down.

    "And speaking of that-."

    "I became aware of my own irrationality a few months ago. I was exposed to a variant of phobaline hydrochorate twice in my life, but only found out about it relatively recently."

    I frown. "Fear toxin? The effects of short term exposure end… At most after a month. Unless the dosage was… Near-lethal-."

    "A variant, designed to cause long term paranoid tendencies."

    Lantern Grayven, that could be a useful addition to your arsenal.

    "Right. Excuse me a moment, my ring's talking to me."

    "Concerning what?"

    I raise my right hand and create a construct of Sinestro, mentally granting my AI full control of it. Other Lex looks at the man, clearly recognising him.

    "Sinestro."

    "Technically, an AI based on Sinestro 50's memories and intuitions. He had it imprinted on his ring so that in the event of his death it would seek out someone who could continue his work. I've been calling it 'Sinestro', but that Sinestro was killed years ago."

    "Sinestro, what was your creator's aim?"

    "I was programmed to aid in the establishment of an orderly civilisation through fear; fear of my wearer personally and fear of retribution generally. However, reviewing my database makes it fairly clear that despite how he programmed me, Thaal Sinestro himself valued revenge against the Green Lantern Corps above society-building."

    Other Lex nods.

    "I assume that you've met your Sinestro?"

    He exhales sharply through his nose and raises his right hand, showing his ring.

    "When I left, our Sinestro was the Field Commander of the Gold Lantern Corps. The Guardians…" His expression darkens slightly. "Our Guardians were mostly interested in increasing their power, prestige and control. They struck out at civilizations that threatened their hegemony, using Earth as the storage site for potentially useful individuals. Here… Mars is still alive, and every piece of information I've been able to gather shows no sign that they were the hidden hand behind other extermination events."

    "Those reports aren't necessarily conclusive. They're mostly what other people think, not necessarily hard facts."

    "I've been checking. Your Guardians are down to handfuls of individuals, and their influence covers a far smaller area. The Guardians of my home universe couldn't tolerate that."

    "Did they use the Corpse, or modified Manhunters?"

    "Manhunters. Your Guardians used them as guards for secure sites and personal 'avatars' when their Lanterns require their support. I haven't been able to find a single infiltrator, and I've been looking hard."

    "That's a bit of a relief."

    "Our Sinestro turned on the Guardians because they performed biological experiments upon his species." He looks at the construct. "What was your creator's motive?"

    "He took over his homeworld and created what he considered to be a perfectly orderly society. Since that was a clear abuse of his ring's power, the Guardians banished him to the anti-matter universe. Unfortunately for them, the experience neither killed him nor convinced him that he was in the wrong."

    I nod. "Something similar happened here, except that as far as I can tell he had a far better justification for his putsch. He still has supporters today."

    "With whom you stubbornly refuse to make contact. Even if you insist on building your support base in Vega or on Earth, an educated and loyal population could make themselves indispensable."

    "Loyal to Sinestro, who I'll remind you is still out there somewhere."

    Other Lex gives me a mild frown.

    "You're ignoring him?"

    "I see no profit in confronting him. I'm not wearing a green ring, and I'm not doing anything he'd disapprove of. Given the skills that he's demonstrated to date, engaging with him in any way would probably result in us trying to kill each other. I don't need another yellow ring at all, and I'm certainly not going to risk either my life or my existing plans to get one."

    Other Lex nods approvingly. "Commendably rational. But do you think he will be willing to ignore you?"

    "He has so far."

    "His concern is justified. You are correct that Sinestro has no reason to target you, but given his existing antipathy to Earth's Green Lanterns it's hardly unthinkable that he might return to Earth at some point. If he does, he will investigate a second yellow ring."

    I shake my head.

    "That's true of any number of interested parties. I'm not going to write up a huge list of everyone in the universe who might decide to take an interest and try to make plans for all of them. That way lies madness."

    Other Lex isn't looking at me.

    Heh.

    "Though I could-."

    Sinestro's head jerks slightly.

    "Lantern, I'm receiving an emergency request-." YOUR REALM IS UNDER ATTACK.

    I come to my feet, dismissing the construct as I do so.

    "Mother Box, boom tube!" "I Defend My People!"

    BOOM!

    I sprint forwards, my heavy footfalls denting the floor as I run out onto the…

    12th July 2012
    12:56 GMT -8

    The streets of Aberrance, screams guiding me in the direction of the former site of the Metamorphodrome, now Uncorp's primary chirurgical centre.

    Ring, find Cranius!

    By your command.

    Got a location. Communication channel.

    "Cranius, I'm here, what's going-"

    A colossal arc of lightning scythes through the tops of the surrounding buildings!

    "-on?"
     
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    Because as much as he's doing better these days, we've still got a considerable distance to go before he'll be capable of responding rationally to criticism like that."
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    Yeah, he's still just a big old bag of issues.

    Mr Zoat said:
    use the Corpse,
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    'Corps'

    Edit:Nevermind.

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    I nod. "Something similar happened here, except that as far as I can tell he had a far better justification for his putsch. He still has supporters today
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    Yeah, I think it was some kind of war.

    As for the supporters, I think they may be keeping their heads down, at least a bit.

    So as to this Aberrance thing, either Arion is attacking them, some other person or group is doing it, or one of Cranius's experiments went wrong.
     
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    12th July 2012
    20:52 GMT

    I step through the open blast door and into one of the offices on the increasingly misnamed 'dark side' of the moon.

    "Lex said that you wanted to speak to me?"

    Other Lex nods distractedly as he continues to pour over intelligence reports collected by hush tube from many unsuspecting interstellar civilisations.
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    Oh, yes. I'd forgotten the Lex from another universe (Specifically the DCAU fanfic 'Inviolate') had joined the fun. I wonder how he's been getting on with Lex-16? Hopefully they haven't had to wrestle out an argument in power armour yet...

    "I've already told your Lex, but I've concluded that your attempts at uplift are… Passable."

    "Be still my beating heart."
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    Well, compared to the Paragon, you are taking a harder road. Not that you know that. Then again, the Paragon doesn't have a Space Fleet on Earth yet, and he got hit harder by the Sheeda because of it...

    "I've outlined a few areas for improvement-."

    "Please tell me you didn't say that to Lex."
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    I do hope there wasn't too much shouting...

    He sits up slightly and gives me a marginally larger portion of his attention.

    "Why ever not?"

    "Because as much as he's doing better these days, we've still got a considerable distance to go before he'll be capable of responding rationally to criticism like that."
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    No doubt I!Lex knows how to handle himself around himself...

    I generate a construct chair and sit down.

    "And speaking of that-."

    "I became aware of my own irrationality a few months ago. I was exposed to a variant of phobaline hydrochorate twice in my life, but only found out about it relatively recently."
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    The central conceit of the Fanfic he came from, in fact. Let's just say his response to it was.. Impressive.

    I frown. "Fear toxin? The effects of short term exposure end… At most after a month. Unless the dosage was… Near-lethal-."

    "A variant, designed to cause long term paranoid tendencies."
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    Far more subtle than the sledgehammer Crane has been using, really. I believe the not-so-good Professor was upset when he found his work had been misappropriated...

    Lantern Grayven, that could be a useful addition to your arsenal.

    "Right. Excuse me a moment, my ring's talking to me."
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    Thankfully, I!Lex should be well familiar with that, given his creation of a will-based Lantern Corps of his own.

    "Concerning what?"

    I raise my right hand and create a construct of Sinestro, mentally granting my AI full control of it. Other Lex looks at the man, clearly recognising him.
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    Dressed in the rather odd tights of his earlier renegade days, or a full Sinestro Corps uniform, I wonder? Not that there's too much difference besides colours.

    "Sinestro."

    "Technically, an AI based on Sinestro 14's memories and intuitions. He had it imprinted on his ring so that in the event of his death it would seek out someone who could continue his work. I've been calling it 'Sinestro', but that Sinestro was killed years ago."
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    :rolleyes: Yay for the Justice Lords... There's a tale to tell both Lexes. What happens when you push too far.

    "Sinestro, what was your creator's aim?"

    "I was programmed to aid in the establishment of an orderly civilisation through fear; fear of my wearer personally and fear of retribution generally. However, reviewing my database makes it fairly clear that despite how he programmed me, Thaal Sinestro himself valued revenge against the Green Lantern Corps above society-building."
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    Yes, well, he was in a somewhat more Red headspace when he had the Yellow ring crafted. Not so much that it impaired his capabilities, though, evidently.

    Other Lex nods.

    "I assume that you've met your Sinestro?"

    He exhales sharply through his nose and raises his right hand, showing his ring.
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    Oh, boy howdy has he ever. Didn't he make an appearance during 'Repetition/Duplication'? During the team-up of Raul, OL and Zaul on their little trans-universal road-trip? Or am I being a little fuzzy-headed on the details again?

    "When I left, our Sinestro was the Field Commander of the Gold Lantern Corps. The Guardians…" His expression darkens slightly. "Our Guardians were mostly interested in increasing their power, prestige and control. They struck out at civilizations that threatened their hegemony, using Earth as the storage site for potentially useful individuals. Here… Mars is still alive, and every piece of information I've been able to gather shows no sign that they were the hidden hand behind other extermination events."
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    Ah, yes. A characterisation of them much more in line with their later incarnations. Not quite as bad as the New 52 versions with their creation of a 'perfect' soldier, the 'Third Army'.

    "Those reports aren't necessarily conclusive. They're mostly what other people think, not necessarily hard facts."

    "I've been checking. Your Guardians are down to a handfuls of individuals, and their influence covers a far smaller area. The Guardians of my home universe couldn't tolerate that."
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    Well, yours are all dead now anyway, so it's not really a problem.

    "Did they use the Corpse, or modified Manhunters?"

    "Manhunters. Your Guardians used them as guards for secure sites and personal 'avatars' when their Lanterns require their support. I haven't been able to find a single infiltrator, and I've been looking hard."
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    And yes, he does mean the Corpse, as Someguy Somewhere linked. The Guardian's secret Black Ops unit, complete with capsules that turn their Will's luminosity down to the point of being almost black. So they don't have that telltale glow.

    "That's a bit of a relief."

    "Our Sinestro turned on the Guardians because they performed biological experiments upon his species." He looks at the construct. "What was your creator's motive?"
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    Boy, some universe get hit with the 'different for the sake of being different' brush, didn't they? Not quite on the 'Just Imagine' level of 'well-known name, all-new character', though...

    "He took over his homeworld and created what he considered to be a perfectly orderly society. Since that was a clear abuse of his ring's power, the Guardians banished him to the anti-matter universe. Unfortunately for them, the experience neither killed him nor convinced him that he was in the wrong."

    I nod. "Something similar happened here, except that as far as I can tell he had a far better justification for his putsch. He still has supporters today."
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    I wonder how Korugar is doing in the Renegade timeline? Clearly he's looked into it, but dismissed it as not a priority...

    "With whom you stubbornly refuse to make contact. Even if you insist on building your support base in Vega or on Earth, an educated and loyal population could make themselves indispensable."

    "Loyal to Sinestro, who I'll remind you is still out there somewhere."
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    Which is still a shoe tumbling up there, just waiting to drop when Grayven least wants it to... :p And that's not taunting Murphy, that's just recognising a solid bit of foreshadowing...

    Other Lex gives me a mild frown.

    "You're ignoring him?"
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    Best not to poke the somewhat vexed former Green Lantern, who may or may not be watching the Orange Lantern Corps' rise very carefully. And getting ideas. Awful, terrific ideas.

    "I see no profit in confronting him. I'm not wearing a green ring, and I'm not doing anything he'd disapprove of. Given the skills that he's demonstrated to date, engaging with him in any way would probably result in us trying to kill each other. I don't need another yellow ring at all, and I'm certainly not going to risk either my life or my existing plans to get one."

    Other Lex nods approvingly. "Commendably rational. But do you think he will be willing to ignore you?"
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    Let's not cross that bridge until you come to it. Still wouldn't hurt to have some plans in place. Maybe you could get on that, Lex?

    "He has so far."

    "His concern is justified. You are correct that Sinestro has no reason to target you, but given his existing antipathy to Earth's Green Lanterns it's hardly unthinkable that he might return to Earth at some point. If he does, he will investigate a second yellow ring."
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    Indeed. And I doubt Sinestro-16 would pass up the chance to collect a second ring, whatever benefit it might provide.

    I shake my head.

    "That's true of any number of interested parties. I'm not going to write up a huge list of everyone in the universe who might decide to take an interest and try to make plans for all of them. That way lies madness."
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    Or, you know, being Batman. Or Lex Luthor... Oh, wait.

    Other Lex isn't looking at me.

    Heh.
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    Yes, he saw what you were doing there, and he will remember that.

    "Though I could-."

    Sinestro's head jerks slightly.
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    "Lantern, I'm receiving an emergency request-." YOUR REALM IS UNDER ATTACK.

    I come to my feet, dismissing the construct as I do so.
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    Memories of numerous RTS games flashed through my mind at that bit of Godspeech...

    "Mother Box, boom tube!" "I Defend My People!"

    BOOM!
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    And Grayven's responding much as any player would, I see.

    I sprint forwards, my heavy footfalls denting the floor as I run out onto the…

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    The streets of Aberrance, screams guiding me in the direction of the former site of the Metamorphodrome, now Uncorp's primary chirurgical centre.
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    Now, if my calculation is right, this would have been right in the middle of that emergency appointment Cranius had scheduled. Well, I guess he and the Wizards found something...

    Ring, find Cranius!

    By your command.

    Got a location. Communication channel.
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    One of the prime assets in this arrangement, of course.

    "Cranius, I'm here, what's going-"

    A colossal arc of lightning scythes through the tops of the surrounding buildings!

    "-on?"
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    Ah, the good old 'all hell breaking loose' cliffhanger. It's been a while since Grayven felt that little narrative convention, hasn't it?

    And the plots are coming together. No doubt Zatara's mission for the Team brought them to Aberrance in search of Cranius' expert aid. Methinks someone is unhappy with the situation, however. Are we about to meet Arion the Elder, I wonder? More importantly: Whose viewpoint are we getting tomorrow? Place your bets!
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    "Lantern, I'm receiving an emergency request-." YOUR REALM IS UNDER ATTACK.

    I come to my feet, dismissing the construct as I do so.

    "Mother Box, boom tube!" "I Defend My People!"
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    Chojin Patriarch said:
    Oh, yes. I'd forgotten the Lex from another universe (Specifically the DCAU fanfic 'Inviolate') had joined the fun. I wonder how he's been getting on with Lex-16?
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    He may be extremely disappointed with his Earth 16 self.

    Unlike him, Lex 16 did all that stupid villain crap on his own choice, not because he was drugged for some convoluted and nonsensical scheme.

    He may feel better that he's becoming more sane, but still.

    Chojin Patriarch said:
    Well, compared to the Paragon, you are taking a harder road. Not that you know that. Then again, the Paragon doesn't have a Space Fleet on Earth yet, and he got hit harder by the Sheeda because of it...
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    While paragons uplift of Earth is slower than the renegades, his actions in space have resulted in more planets improving and there's a greater opposition to the Reach compared to what's happening in the renegade space side.

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    Yay for the Justice Lords... There's a tale to tell both Lexes. What happens when you push too far.
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    Inviolate Lex may be horrified.

    Renegade Lex may just be angry that he died there and that he wasn't the one in the Lords place, ruling the world, or country.

    Chojin Patriarch said:
    Oh, boy howdy has he ever. Didn't he make an appearance during 'Repetition/Duplication'? During the team-up of Raul, OL and Zaul on their little trans-universal road-trip? Or am I being a little fuzzy-headed on the details again
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    Yep, and Indigo Paul was there.

    Raul went berserk on Sinestro.

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    Which is still a shoe tumbling up there, just waiting to drop when Grayven least wants it to... :p And that's not taunting Murphy, that's just recognising a solid bit of foreshadowing...
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    Okay, I'll give you this one.

    Also, I'm proud of you Chojin.

    Chojin Patriarch said:
    And the plots are coming together. No doubt Zatara's mission for the Team brought them to Aberrance in search of Cranius' expert aid. Methinks someone is unhappy with the situation, however. Are we about to meet Arion the Elder, I wonder?
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    Well it's either Arion, or some other group or person doing this, maybe because they don't like what Cranius or renegade are doing.

    Or Cranius went a bit overboard with the dragon parts.
     
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    E'gad, you think yourself in the right heretic!? That our dear sir Cranius grafted onto a fine young man the flesh of Dragons, granting him might not unlike that of Sir Siegfried of ancient myth is a sign that he is only the most capable member of The Biologius! And I would ask you Heretic, when have our dearest friends, those children of The Omnissiah we call The Adeptus Mechanicus, ever failed in such pursuits?
     
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    E'gad, you think yourself in the right heretic!? That our dear sir Cranius grafted onto a fine young man the flesh of Dragons, granting him might not unlike that of Sir Siegfried of ancient myth is a sign that he is only the most capable member of The Biologius! And I would ask you Heretic, when have our dearest friends, those children of The Omnissiah we call The Adeptus Mechanicus, ever failed in such pursuits?
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    I'm not an expert but I don't think the adeptus mechanics are big fans of grafting non-metallic appendages
     
    DAT_NOOB said:
    I'm not an expert but I don't think the adeptus mechanics are big fans of grafting non-metallic appendages
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    You're not wrong on that, but they do have a group dedicated to the pursuit of biological studies and, in certain cases, augmentation via genetics and the like. It's not something they do commonly but from what I can remember it is something they could do.
     
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