With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Darko · Jan 19, 2022

Ngamer11 said:
Mr Zoat, is Supergirl 666 still being kept on Earth 16, or has she been brought home now that the demonic influence on the planet has been removed?

I'm guessing she may still be on Earth 16, since she's still psychologically messed up and having an unstable Kryptonian on Demon Earth would be incredibly bad.

Even if they give them a method to contain her, that may still not work, since they don't have many resources or a lot of people that can potentially subdue her if she manages to set herself free.

Ngamer11 · Jan 19, 2022

Darko said:
I'm guessing she may still be on Earth 16, since she's still psychologically messed up and having an unstable Kryptonian on Demon Earth would be incredibly bad.

Even if they give them a method to contain her, that may still not work, since they don't have many resources or a lot of people that can potentially subdue her if she manages to set herself free.

What about Nabu 666? Would being assimilated mean that we wasn't restored after Superman 666 was freed? I kinda hope so, because having a Lord of Order at Paul's beck and call would make him significantly more powerful.

Darko · Jan 19, 2022

Ngamer11 said:
What about Nabu 666? Would being assimilated mean that we wasn't restored after Superman 666 was freed? I kinda hope so, because having a Lord of Order at Paul's beck and call would make him significantly more powerful.

I don't see how Superman being freed would somehow restore Nabu.

If he wasn't assimilated then it may have been possible for him to somehow free himself from control, but he was already under the thrall of someone else.

And I'm not even sure if Nabu was demonically corrupted.

I think he may have just had a psychological break by watching the world he was in charge of protecting be reduced to a hell on Earth, and Demon Superman manipulating later on, but not by pumping him with demon energy, just with words.

Vaermina · Jan 19, 2022

Pinklestia said:
Again this is based on a canon episode.

I just hate it too much to even link a summary about it.

I literally posted a four minute clip from the episode in question this page showing how little relation to the actual episode there actually is...

Sojiko · Jan 19, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
I'll try and come up with something.

Yay! I'm always up for more Warhammer uplift.

Agumentic · Jan 20, 2022

Vaermina said:
I literally posted a four minute clip from the episode in question this page showing how little relation to the actual episode there actually is...

No, the episode in question is "Daring Doubt" from season 9.

Pinklestia · Jan 20, 2022

Agumentic said:
No, the episode in question is "Daring Doubt" from season 9.

Season 9 is definitely wow... so many terrible episodes that I am happy the show ended.

Vaermina · Jan 20, 2022

Agumentic said:
No, the episode in question is "Daring Doubt" from season 9.

While Daring Doubt shows us that Ahuizotl is the guardian of the basin, that is all it does.

The Rings not being magical, the Temple collapsing on it's own, everything else being a big joke? That's all a Zoat creation that runs counter to what we actually see on screen.

Michael Vonica · Jan 20, 2022

Vaermina said:
While Daring Doubt shows us that Ahuizotl is the guardian of the basin, that is all it does.

The Rings not being magical, the Temple collapsing on it's own, everything else being a big joke? That's all a Zoat creation that runs counter to what we actually see on screen.

Now, I may not be a designer of magical artifacts, but if I was going to make a magical ring that could control the sun, I would not make it so fragile as to break into shards from a fall. Granted, it was never meant to be held 20 feet off the ground, but if a somewhat large stallion were to trip and fall with all his weight on it, I'm pretty sure that would have been enough to at least crack the thing. Point is, in the clip you gave, the rings didn't do anything magical.

Vaermina · Jan 20, 2022

Michael Vonica said:
Now, I may not be a designer of magical artifacts, but if I was going to make a magical ring that could control the sun, I would not make it so fragile as to break into shards from a fall. Granted, it was never meant to be held 20 feet off the ground, but if a somewhat large stallion were to trip and fall with all his weight on it, I'm pretty sure that would have been enough to at least crack the thing.

They didn't break from a fall, as seen in the clip when they tossed the rings around like volleyballs some of which involved bouncing them off the stone floor.

One did break, once the Temple was destroyed, and it was thrown over a hundred feet down into a ravine. But well... Magic doesn't mean indestructible... Especially once the majority of the magic is lost with the temples destruction...

Point is, in the clip you gave, the rings didn't do anything magical.

You mean other then cause the golden pillar to turn into sparkling magical sand when it was removed?

And cause the entire Temple to collapse?

And had non of the unicorns there call them out as non-magical?

Agumentic · Jan 20, 2022

Vaermina said:
While Daring Doubt shows us that Ahuizotl is the guardian of the basin, that is all it does.

The Rings not being magical, the Temple collapsing on it's own, everything else being a big joke? That's all a Zoat creation that runs counter to what we actually see on screen.

Okay, but I assume the episode Pinklestia was talking about was, in fact, Daring Doubt.

Radix · Jan 20, 2022

Bud-E said:
If someone habitually breaks into your property and steals from you can you be charged with attempted murder to get them to stop? Also, I don't know pony laws regarding theft/assault so it could be a crime.

You absolutely could be charged with murder. Booby traps can definitely be illegal based on jurisdiction even id the intent isnt to kill.

Someone robbing you isnt legal justification to murder then.

hkim · Jan 20, 2022

Radix said:
You absolutely could be charged with murder. Booby traps can definitely be illegal based on jurisdiction even id the intent isnt to kill.

Someone robbing you isnt legal justification to murder then.

It is in America. Stand your ground, lads!

ForeverShogo · Jan 20, 2022

It depends on which part of America you live in. In some places you're legally obligated to attempt to flee from an intruder before you can use force on them and can get in trouble if you can't prove you didn't make the attempt.

Though that applies to you personally dealing with the intruder. The use of booby traps is incredibly illegal in large part because they're indiscriminate.

Mr Zoat · Jan 20, 2022

29th September 2012
18:23 GMT +3

We decided not to simply call the town 'Bournville', because that could get confusing. And I suppose that Tanaville is the least bad of the various alternatives, despite implying that they grow tea and not cocoa. Certainly anything that explicitly mentioned me was right out. I may be fine with 'Jamestown' and 'New York' and 'Londonderry' but there's a limit to how much imperialism even I can hear without cringing.

"Do they have showers?"

"The barrack accommodation the farm workers use or the actual hotel I booked us into?"

Jade stops for a moment to mop her brow. Having rejected my offer of an environmental shield, two days' marching through the Kenyan winter heat has left her encrusted in her own dried sweat and her hair's the flattest I've ever seen it. It doesn't look like it's bothering her even slightly.

If it was me, I'd have called a ring after the first half hour.

"They have hotels?"

"Not like.. four star hotels or anything. But this is a major agricultural supply hub. That's why we built all the roads and other infrastructure. Plenty of people come through here all the time."

"I'm not sure we're getting the full experience."

"My Blue Lantern alter-ego spent his honeymoon on Odym, if you want something a little more back to nature."

"Where's that?"

"It's a planet in Sector Two Six Two Eight. Beautiful place. No intelligent life, no real predators, just a few scavengers to keep the place tidy. Amazingly colourful plants and animals and no intelligent life at all."

She smiles faintly.

"Or hotels."

"Or hotels, hot running water or toilets, and I've got no idea how he was planning to leave afterwards."

"Who did he marry?"

"Their version of Zatanna. Her name's Zorina."

"Didn't she set Mister Scott on fire?"

"Didn't you drug me with poisoned lipstick?"

Her smile broadens.

"Yes, but it ended alright for the Asian girl."

I put my hands on my hips. "I'm not sure what offends me most: the fact that I'm merely 'alright', or that despite the fact that it was a pivotal moment in our relationship you've forgotten that I said 'woman' and not 'girl'."

"Under twenty, it's 'girl'."

"Is it? I thought that psychological and emotional maturity were more significant. I know your father called you-."

Ah, shouldn't have said that. Jade looks away.

"That annoyed me because he meant it as an insult. With you… It's different."

"I'm in my thirties. Acknowledging your maturity makes it easier for me to forget about the chronological age gap, as well as encouraging me to remember that you're a strong-willed self-determined individual with her own wants and desires."

"How does an empath forget something like that?"

"My empathic abilities were far more limited back then, and I had to make an effort to see inside someone."

"I remember your snake eyes. You don't need to do that any more?"

"I have to make an effort not to have stronger empathy than that all the time. I can still do it, it just signifies that the Ophidian is personally looking out of my eyes."

She looks at me thoughtfully for a moment.

"Since we were talking about what I wanted to do with my life that didn't involve killing people…"

"Yes?"

"What did you want to do with your life that didn't involve being possessed by a giant snake?"

"Ah, well, as I said, my degree is in contemporary ethics and political philosophy, so… This, actually." I look around the mostly-newly constructed town. "The part I remember of the whole three year course was learning about the rapid industrialisation of Japan and Taiwan."

"What were you planning on doing with that degree?"

"I wasn't. My parents expected me to go to university, I didn't have a particular profession in mind, so I picked something that sounded interesting." I shrug. "It wasn't. Lesson learned."

"I don't know how student debt works in England."

"Oh, we moved off the mass grants system before I went to university, but I'd paid my loan off before I came to this Earth." I snort. "It's stupid, really. Student loans are issued by the government, but you don't have to pay them back until you're earning over a certain amount of money, and anything you haven't paid off before you're… I don't remember how old. Fifty or something? Gets written off. Which means that the student loan company is going to go bankrupt eventually because people aren't going to pay back the full value of their loan, so the government might as well have kept the grant system and saved themselves the cost of administering it. It's basically just a system for giving rich students who don't need it a cheaper-than-market-rate unsecured loan."

"So no private loans?"

"Private unsecured loans exist, but if the government is going to give better terms, why would anyone want one? Banks want to be paid back."

"What happens when the system collapses?"

I smile, snorting.

"A socialist revolution, probably." I wave my right hand dismissively. "I imagine that the government will bail it out with taxpayer money. We might get some sort of reform, but I'm not hopeful. How did the League pay for its operatives' education?"

"Ubus were educated by their parents. Their scholastic education mostly comes from their mothers. Most other operatives got educated in their civilian identities. I got an in-house tutor for most subjects. Payment was covered by the League's cut of our contracts once we were cleared for fieldwork."

"See, a system of grants for a limited number-. Oh, hang on." I slow to a stop outside of the local medical centre. "Our man in Tanaville works here. I want to see if I can catch him."

"Who is it?"

"An Irish doctor called Finnbar Brady. He's in charge of the local clinic. I've never met him, but he had excellent references."

She cocks her head slightly to the left, gazing at me interrogatively.

"Does that count as 'work'?"

"I… Wouldn't have thought so? Do..? You think it does?"

"That depends on whether he's secretly a supervillain or not."

I shake my head.

"Come on Jade. That's not very likely, is it?"

Idkusername · Jan 20, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
two days' marching through the Kenyan winter heat have left her encrusted

'has'

Mr Zoat said:
"Come on Jade. That's not very likely, is it?"

...And now he's jinxed it!

BlueMangoAdea · Jan 20, 2022

Oh. So this is a Constantine Episode.

Lazurman · Jan 20, 2022

BlueMangoAdea said:
Oh. So this is a Constantine Episode.

Dread and blood pressure: rising.

Mr Zoat · Jan 20, 2022

Idkusername said:
'has'

Thank you, corrected.

Lord Ernest · Jan 20, 2022

Fucking finally!! I was totally ok with this episode being "slice of life"-like with multiple Renegade interrupts. But a Constantine episode?

Oh, this might be a tease, but if it's not, this could be awesome! I've missed that crazy sting look alike arsehole!

moralrelativity · Jan 20, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
I though that

though -> thought

Darko · Jan 20, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
29th September 2012
18:23 GMT +3

Zoat i think this should be 28th September, since in the spoiler box that's the date shown.

Mr Zoat said:
We decided not to simply call the town 'Bournville

When I read this I couldn't help but think that it was named after Jason Bourne.

Mr Zoat said:
My Blue Lantern alter-ego spent his honeymoon on Odym

So how is Odym like in universe -14?

Is there a Blue Lantern Corps there?

If there is then how do they operate, since I'm getting the feeling they primarily would try to bring hope to criminals so they can continue their crimes?

How is Saint Walker on universe -14 like?

How is Vega like?

And what about Tamaran -14 and the princesses?

Mr Zoat said:
Who did he marry?"

"Their version of Zatanna. Her name's Zorina."

"Didn't she set Mister Scott on fire?"

"Didn't you drug me with poisoned lipstick?"

A good reminder that Paul's have a habit of dating or marrying women that have done some fucked up shit.

Mr Zoat said:
"I'm in my thirties. Acknowledging your maturity makes it easier for me to forget about the chronological age gap

Yeah, but it also has a pretty big downside, since I'm pretty sure that by doing this you're also not seeing much of a need to tell people your true age, which would probably backfire horribly in any other situation, but not here due to author interference.

Mr Zoat said:
How does an empath forget something like that?"

"My empathic abilities were far more limited back then, and I had to make an effort to see inside someone."

Also while he could view emotions, that doesn't mean he'd always make the best decisions on how to use that new knowledge.

Mr Zoat said:
An Irish doctor called Finnbar Brady

Oh shit.

Potential Constantine episode anyone?

Mr Zoat said:
That depends on whether he's secretly a supervillain or not."

I shake my head.

"Come on Jade. That's not very likely, is it?"

Chojin, if you're watching this, know that Murphy is cheating on you with a certain orange wearing Brit.

Mr Zoat · Jan 20, 2022

moralrelativity said:
though -> thought

Thank you, corrected.

NightmareWarden · Jan 20, 2022

There is no way. There is no way that Constantine would hide in a town with Paul's fingerprints all over it. Surely he has a spell that helps him see the conceptual connection between "this land is owned by X" and "Orange Lantern means avarice." Property, hoard, control…

Also the line on Finnabar's wiki page about Declan is horrifying.

Edit: Wait. Are we going to learn that someone trapped Chaos!Constantine as thoroughly as Dream was captured? And that is why Paul can't find him? Interesting.

Old Knife · Jan 20, 2022

I'm guessing that Constantine is bumming off his Nephew.

Michael Vonica · Jan 20, 2022

Here's my guess. Lord of chaos Constantine is about to start pulling off some crazy stuff, with clearly visible signs of minor world wide chaos magic, possibly expressing themself through this relative of his. Just in time for Paul to be willing to ignore it. Perfect plan.

Handlewithcare · Jan 20, 2022

Ah! AAAAAH!

Constantine incoming!

Hide your wifes! Hide your husbands! Hide yourselves!

Chojin Patriarch · Jan 20, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
29th September 2012
18:23 GMT +3

We decided not to simply call the town 'Bournville', because that could get confusing. And I suppose that Tanaville is the least bad of the various alternatives, despite implying that they grow tea and not cocoa. Certainly anything that explicitly mentioned me was right out. I may be fine with 'Jamestown' and 'New York' and 'Londonderry' but there's a limit to how much imperialism even I can hear without cringing.

"Do they have showers?"

For those not getting the joke: one major active ingredient of Tea is various kinds of Tannins. They're what makes blends bitter, depending on the quantity. And, to be fair, I can't imagine that many punny names involving tea. Surprised they didn't just keep a local name.

"The barrack accommodation the farm workers use or the actual hotel I booked us into?"

Jade stops for a moment to mop her brow. Having rejected my offer of an environmental shield, two days' marching through the Kenyan winter heat have left her encrusted in her own dried sweat and her hair's the flattest I've ever seen it. It doesn't look like it's bothering her even slightly.

Of course, to some, that sweatiness just makes her more appealing...

If it was me, I'd have called a ring after the first half hour.

"They have hotels?"

Ah, OL. Such a pampered lazy-bones.

"Not like.. four star hotels or anything. But this is a major agricultural supply hub. That's why we built all the roads and other infrastructure. Plenty of people come through here all the time."

"I'm not sure we're getting the full experience."

Well, there's roughing it, and then there's roughing it. Be glad you're not indulging in the modern western form of roughing it... With air-conditioned tents, mini cell-phone tower/satellite internet relay and battery cell to power it all.

"My Blue Lantern alter-ego spent his honeymoon on Odym, if you want something a little more back to nature."

"Where's that?"

Home base planet of the Blue Lantern Corps. Oddly, it's claimed to orbit the star Polaris. Another notable planet which claims the same? Thanagar. Just...

Wat.

"It's a planet in Sector Two Six Two Eight. Beautiful place. No intelligent life, no real predators, just a few scavengers to keep the place tidy. Amazingly colourful plants and animals and no intelligent life at all."

She smiles faintly.

Right. To her, that probably sounds boring as hell.

"Or hotels."

"Or hotels, hot running water or toilets, and I've got no idea how he was planning to leave afterwards."

...Magic. For all we know, he had Zorina set up a time-delayed portal spell from home to open at the end of their honeymoon. It's unlikely his side's Odym had a Central Power Battery for him to find, after all.

"Who did he marry?"

"Their version of Zatanna. Her name's Zorina."

Wonder how they're getting on these days? It was a bit of a political marriage, after all...

"Didn't she set Mister Scott on fire?"

"Didn't you drug me with poisoned lipstick?"

Definitely establishing a pattern for Paul's love interests up in her head, doesn't it?

Her smile broadens.

"Yes, but it ended alright for the Asian girl."

Well, once he finished with the tentacles.

I put my hands on my hips. "I'm not sure what offends me most: the fact that I'm merely 'alright', or that despite the fact that it was a pivotal moment in our relationship you've forgotten that I said 'woman' and not 'girl'."

"Under twenty, it's 'girl'."

And over 25 and unmarried? It's 'Christmas Cake'. Let's just hope she doesn't slide into 'Tiger Mom' territory. Then again, I suspect any kids are likely to have inferiority complexes, given who their parents are.

"Is it? I though that psychological and emotional maturity were more significant. I know your father called you-."

Ah, shouldn't have said that. Jade looks away.

Well, environmental shields don't really help with 'foot in mouth', after all.

"That annoyed me because he meant it as an insult. With you… It's different."

"I'm in my thirties. Acknowledging your maturity makes it easier for me to forget about the chronological age gap, as well as encouraging me to remember that you're a strong-willed self-determined individual with her own wants and desires."

...well, that just made it awkward. And here she was having fun flirting.

"How does an empath forget something like that?"

"My empathic abilities were far more limited back then, and I had to make an effort to see inside someone."

The joy of being a Lantern build at low-levels, without the Enlightenment quest reward.

"I remember your snake eyes. You don't need to do that any more?"

"I have to make an effort not to have stronger empathy than that all the time. I can still do it, it just signifies that the Ophidian is pesonally looking out of my eyes."

...I do hope that doesn't happen when they're, you know... I don't think Jade's quite interested in a menage-a-trois...

She looks at me thoughtfully for a moment.

"Since we were talking about what I wanted to do with my life that didn't involve killing people…"

Ah, she's been thinking during the long walk, eh?

"Yes?"

"What did you want to do with your life that didn't involve being possessed by a giant snake?"

A very interesting question.

"Ah, well, as I said, my degree is in contemporary ethics and political philosophy, so… This, actually." I look around the mostly-newly constructed town. "The part I remember of the whole three year course was learning about the rapid industrialisation of Japan and Taiwan."

"What were you planning on doing with that degree?"

...That makes a weird kind of sense, knowing that now...

"I wasn't. My parents expected me to go to university, I didn't have a particular profession in mind, so I picked something that sounded interesting." I shrug. "It wasn't. Lesson learned."

"I don't know how student debt works in England."

Well, since you got him lecturing, you're about to learn.

"Oh, we moved off the mass grants system before I went to university, but I'd paid my loan off before I came to this Earth." I snort. "It's stupid, really. Student loans are issued by the government, but you don't have to pay them back until you're earning over a certain amount of money, and anything you haven't paid off before you're… I don't remember how old. Fifty or something? Gets written off. Which means that the student loan company is going to go bankrupt eventually because people aren't going to pay back the full value of their loan, so the government might as well have kept the grant system and saved themselves the cost of administering it. It's basically just a system for giving rich students who don't need it a cheaper-than-market-rate unsecured loan."

...oof, leaning kind of hard on Rule 8... Still, as long as we don't argue about it...

"So no private loans?"

"Private unsecured loans exist, but if the government is going to give better terms, why would anyone want one? Banks want to be paid back."

...Please, don't start arguing about it...

"What happens when the system collapses?"

I smile, snorting.

Whatever it is, it won't be his problem.

"A socialist revolution, probably." I wave my right hand dismissively. "I imagine that the government will bail it out with taxpayer money. We might get some sort of reform, but I'm not hopeful. How did the League pay for its operatives' education?"

"Ubus were educated by their parents. Their scholastic education mostly comes from their mothers. Most other operatives got educated in their civilian identities. I got an in-house tutor for most subjects. Payment was covered by the League's cut of our contracts once we were cleared for fieldwork."

...With the expectation that you would do your part to pay it back through your own wetwork.

"See, a system of grants for a limited number-. Oh, hang on." I slow to a stop outside of the local medical centre. "Our man in Tanaville works here. I want to see if I can catch him."

"Who is it?"

In the hospital? Odd.

"An Irish doctor called Finnbar Brady. He's in charge of the local clinic. I've never met him, but he had excellent references."

She cocks her head slightly to the left, gazing at me interrogatively.

...Oh, hell... Which is where things might be going, in a handbasket for two, if they're really unlucky...

"Does that count as 'work'?"

"I… Wouldn't have thought so? Do..? You think it does?"

...On the other hand, OL would not have hired him without thorough background checks.

"That depends on whether he's secretly a supervillain or not."

I shake my head.

"Come on Jade. That's not very likely, is it?"

I swear, if things go wrong, Jade will make you eat those words, OL.

At least, when things go ploin-shaped, they'll be able to look back and remember the fun time they had getting here. Or we could all be making +50 rolls to Jump to conclusions about the Constantine connection, and the whole 'my foster brother's a serial killer' thing is either ancient history or a long way off... I guess we'll see for sure in the coming chapters.

...the Ophidian is pesonally looking out of my eyes.

...the Ophidian is personally looking out of my eyes.

Darko · Jan 20, 2022

Chojin Patriarch said:
Home base planet of the Blue Lantern Corps. Oddly, it's claimed to orbit the star Polaris. Another notable planet which claims the same? Thanagar. Just... Wat

Maybe it's like a Counter Earth situation, with both being in the same solar system, but on different sides.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Magic. For all we know, he had Zorina set up a time-delayed portal spell from home to open at the end of their honeymoon. It's unlikely his side's Odym had a Central Power Battery for him to find, after all.

Or tech.

He could have a spaceship or a teleportation/portal device.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Definitely establishing a pattern for Paul's love interests up in her head, doesn't it?

Yep.

Chojin Patriarch said:
...I do hope that doesn't happen when they're, you know... I don't think Jade's quite interested in a menage-a-trois

Her Mandated counterpart seemed to be.

Chojin Patriarch said:
oof, leaning kind of hard on Rule 8...

Zoat likes to break the rules.

Chojin Patriarch said:
.On the other hand, OL would not have hired him without thorough background checks.

True, but he may not have done a DNA analysis.

Heck, he may have left the hiring to his subordinates, who lack power rings.

Ganurath · Jan 20, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
"Ah, well, as I said, my degree is in contemporary ethics and political philosophy, so… This, actually."

This explains some things.

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