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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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This plan needs revision because even with the nuance this has. It's still too wonky to guarantee a perfect success even when implemented.

Perhaps if she has a magical construct that will allow her to control any and all access Hades has to her instead of the blanket evermore should things not work out.

Paul should leave this with someone completely trust worthy and would totally never abuse it.

Like John Constantine.:V
 
Dur'id the Druid said:
I just thought of a third way this could fail. With both Hades and Persephone without their memories, but everyone around them knowing that they should be together, they start seeing a disconnect between their memories and reality. And they start becoming paranoid about a grand conspiracy against them.

Dammit, they're both gods, making an avatar that has limited memories and living as civilians somewhere for a couple years would have been much simpler. Death of the Endless does that as a vacation every year or so.
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I had a similar idea that I posted earlier that makes more sense than this plan. What you say makes more sense. Have Avatars that are instilled with their core personalities (and if you more detail on my idea look at my original post).
 
I think this chapter shows that Persephone values her memories of Hades.
 
Ya gotta wonder how much of their personalities are shaped by modern mindsets since these issues weighed differently in the past .



:confused: What if Zeus was an old anachronism because of his link to the titans primal concepts prevented influence from civilization from touching his personality.
 
crazygrox said:
I feel like it's a good idea to bring in Hera, or possibly a violet lantern, before they actually go ahead with the magic. Because they need some advice here.
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Hera may not be the best advisor since even though she is the goddess of marriage, she's basically been in a bad relationship for thousands of years before Paul came along, so she may not be the best at judging certain things.

The Zamarons are also primarily interested in love triumphing so they may try to actually inject love into Persephone.
 
Vaermina said:
Man, it sure is lucky this is a completely out of character version of Hectate...

Because if this wasn't there's no way she wouldn't use this as a chance to jack all of Hades security and free the Titan's.
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Was it ever said why she wanted to free the Titans? She admitted they kept her and the rest of the gods as slaves. Why would she want them back out and about?
 
preier said:
Honestly any outcome other than back at status quo would be better for both of them in the long term.
That said I've found it fascinating how much the situation bothers me. Persephone is a victim but her never telling Hades makes her bear a responsibility too but her fear of doing so was correct for her time and local but Hades never would have deliberately raped her but it doesn't change how she felt about it but... Aaarg!
Actually... Best outcome would be Hades realizing that he's in love with someone that Persephone either isn't anymore or never was, just like she hates a guy that he wasn't or hasn't been for millenniums. Sad, but healthier.
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Persephone seems to be pretty caught up in her own identity as a victim and quick to jump to conclusions. Pretty immature and lacking in wisdom for a multi-thousand year old deity.
 
Bud-E said:
Was it ever said why she wanted to free the Titans? She admitted they kept her and the rest of the gods as slaves. Why would she want them back out and about?
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I think it's because they're her family.

Cuchulin said:
Persephone seems to be pretty caught up in her own identity as a victim and quick to jump to conclusions. Pretty immature and lacking in wisdom for a multi-thousand year old deity.
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She's not likely to think rationally in this situation since she's feared Hades for a long time and the solution that Paul came up with is incredibly crazy.

This isn't her being caught up in her identity as a victim.
 
Darko said:
She's not likely to think rationally in this situation since she's feared Hades for a long time and the solution that Paul came up with is incredibly crazy.
This isn't her being caught up in her identity as a victim.
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It kind of is since Hades has spent over two thousand years trying to make her comfortable and generally doing what ever he can to win her over as well as make up for the horrible misunderstanding. I can understand her holding a grudge and hating him over it, but Fearing him?
Also, Paul's idea maybe incredibly crazy. But it's also a 'this is the first thing that came to me' sort of idea rather than a real plan and is not the sort of thing he'd do without consent. So she is jumping the gun there.
 
Cuchulin said:
It kind of is since Hades has spent over two thousand years trying to make her comfortable and generally doing what ever he can to win her over as well as make up for the horrible misunderstanding. I can understand her holding a grudge and hating him over it, but Fearing him
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Hades is incredibly intimidating, or at least was, so of course she'd be scared of him.

Cuchulin said:
Also, Paul's idea maybe incredibly crazy. But it's also a 'this is the first thing that came to me' sort of idea rather than a real plan and is not the sort of thing he'd do without consent. So she is jumping the gun there
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I'm not sure there's any other way someone would react when you tell them that you want to mess with their minds.
 
Coda said:
Comma instead of semicolon. (The second part isn't a complete sentence on its own; it depends on "you know" from the first part.)
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Thank you, corrected.
Missed this one from before: "grisly"
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I can't find this.
Xelloss said:
- Tell me, mortal, from which country you hail from, so that I can curse it with bad weather and crops that produce bland and tasteless food.
- Ha ! Jokes on you, I'm British.
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Ouch. I mean, yes, but ouch.
 
Fallout: Iowa (part 1)
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    07:10 MTZ

    I take a careful look at the grizzled prisoner opposite me as he glowers through the bullet-resistant glass. Through the grill in the bottom I can hear him quietly wheezing, a result of the injuries he sustained when the left side of his power armour's torso was hit by an anti-tank rifle, bending it inwards to crush his ribs. The rest of the armour was melted near-solid; they had to get him out with drills and chisels, and the NCR army only bothered doing that because they thought that he might have actionable intelligence.

    And that's not his only injury. I can see a dozen small scars and burns earned through a life in the wastelands. Three years in the NCR's care with minimal medical aid and surrounded by violent criminals hasn't exactly been easy.

    I mean, my goodness. Forty years since Navarro. And he wasn't exactly young when it happened.

    "How the heck are you still alive?"

    The skin around his eyes tightens as he moves his glare from 'hostile' to 'openly contemptuous'.

    "I AM ALIVE BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE WEAK MUTANT BLOOD IN MY VEINS! I HAVE PURE AMERICAN VINEGAR!"

    He looks like he wants to keep shouting, but there's a tremor in his chest and he has to brace himself to avoid showing weakness.

    Sergeant Arch Dornan is the longest serving surviving member of Enclave personnel still in NCR custody. He was captured after the NCR/Vault City alliance stormed the Sierra Army Depot and he was moved here once they realised who he was. This is the man who led the evacuation of Navarro once the command post was destroyed by Brotherhood Paladins, and who organised the remaining free Enclave units in California into a cohesive force.

    And then he sided with Doctor Anderson in their election and it was all downhill from there. New Reno may never recover.

    "Well, when you're immune to disease and radiation and can punch out a brahmin, it's time to stop pretending you're not a mutant. FEV's powerful stuff."

    "THAT IS US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY, MUTIE!"

    "The US government never finished it. I would be happy to share my expertise, were the US government a going concern."

    "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT DEAD SO LONG AS ONE LOYAL SOLDIER REMAINS! AND I AM NOT YET DEAD!"

    "Sergeant, how would you like to get out of prison while still alive?"

    …

    He continues glowering at me for a few moments.

    "I'm listening."

    "The NCR is rather pleased with me at the moment. I've been helping them make friends, dealing with a few potential conflicts and we recently killed a giant super mutant god. Caesar's next on the chopping block and then that's basically it. The territory of the former United States will be home to peaceable successor states, several of which conform to the borders of pre-War states. Texas is back, and Oklahoma, and Colorado, and the Republic of the Rio Grande."

    "Get to the point, mutie."

    "The Enclave claimed to be the legitimate government of the United States, using emergency continuity laws to pass authority from one leader to another. But the people of the wasteland don't recognise their authority, not only because the Enclave tried to kill them all with FEV, but because they didn't vote for them. America is supposed to be a democracy, and the constitution makes it clear that you do need to have federal elections every few years. You tried fighting the entire wasteland twice, and it didn't work."

    I lean forwards slightly.

    "Have you considered more covert means?"

    "What the hell do you mean by that?"

    "I believe that the best way to ensure ongoing peace in North America is to re-establish the United States. For a while I've been picking up Enclave survivors and shipping them off to Iowa. Governor Autumn really just controls a single town and some farmland at the moment, but there are a lot of hard-working and patriotic Americans there who'd be glad to see you, and the other Enclave personnel in NCR custody."

    "Iowa."

    "Not sure what Iowa did to piss the Chinese off, but they nuked it pretty hard during the War. Now, the radiation forms a barrier around the area their Garden of Eden Creation Kit purified. Point is, if I talk the reformed states into reforming the United States, that will be one Governor, two Senators and however many congressional representatives who were members of the Enclave."

    "YOU EXPECT ME TO SIGN UP TO A GOVERNMENT OF THE MUTANTS BY THE MUTANTS FOR THE MUTANTS?! I WOULD RATHER ROT IN HELL!"

    "A person who is born to either naturalised or natural-born American citizens is an American citizen. That means that virtually everyone you dismiss as 'mutants' is in fact an American citizen. They may be mutants as well, but they are legally American citizens. The Constitution puts some fairly strong restrictions on the way a legitimate government can treat its citizens, and the fact that the Enclave refuses to recognise that is another rather serious strike against it. Not… A serious strike as in 'something that makes people dislike it', I mean a serious strike against its claim to be the legitimate government when it fails to respect the very laws which give it power."

    I shrug.

    "I mean, if the government doesn't follow the law, why should anyone else?"

    "MUTANTS ARE NOT CITIZENS OF MY COUNTRY!"

    "The Constitution makes no provision for depriving a person of their citizenship on the grounds of genetic alteration. You don't have to like us, but you can't deprive us of our rights. But that's rather beside the point. The point is; do you want to see any kind of America restored and then work to make it more like what you think it should be, or do you want to die here?"

    I could give his mind a little nudge, but… That sort of thing tends not to stick. If I drop him on Autumn and Granite like that he'd probably end up as the nucleus of a hard-core Purist movement that will create even more trouble for me later on. And cost me virtually all of my credit with the NCR. No, this does need to be something he decides for himself, and I can feel his thoughts churning.

    As far as he's concerned, Iowa, Nevada, California, it makes no difference. He'll gladly fight and die for the Enclave, completely convinced of the legitimacy of his cause. Some Enclave soldiers I've met weren't convinced that releasing the FEV Plague was the right thing to do at the time, and the ones like Granite who spent time since the Fall of Navarro living around wastelanders are now firmly convinced that it was wrong. Others like Dornan have drunk all of the Kool-Aid.

    One nation, under the Enclave, with mindless obedience for all.

    But Dornan needs someone else to set the agenda. His insistence that he's not an officer is something he feels deeply. He isn't comfortable making policy decisions himself. And he knows Granite and knew Autumn Senior. They are part of the group of people he's used to taking orders from.

    "What else?"

    "You and all Enclave personnel remaining in NCR custody would be loaded into trucks and put on the road with a small escort of my people. Any who don't take this deal will be 'killed attempting to escape', which is one of the reasons why I hope you'll convince as many of your fellows as you can to accept it. Governor Autumn already knows that some people will be coming, and they've made the arrangements to receive you. I believe that you will technically become a member of the Iowa National Guard, though in practice your responsibilities will remain the same. Or you… Could retire. You've served with distinction for a very long time-."

    "I've failed my country twice, mutie. Do you have any idea what that's like?"

    "Restoring Britain has somewhat fallen down my schedule, but I'll get there eventually."

    "I can't make this decision myself. But if I'm alive, I can always come back and kill you later."

    I smile broadly. "That's the spirit. You'll tell the others?"

    He nods, grudgingly. "Get the guards out of the way for half an hour. We'll be having a free and frank exchange of views."

    I nod. "Good to hear it. I'll see you with the trucks tomorrow."
     
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    These random sidestories Zoat makes to pontificate his politics are the worst parts of these threads.
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    That's not how you spell best.

    Okay, snark aside, it's not like the rest of the fic is less political. It's just more covered under the action.

    Any tale that starts with the main character getting a device that literally actualizes their desires is always going to be either short or political.
     
    People know spiders are good. But lots of people still squash them. Even if we (Or Persephone herself) know intellectually that Hades is only at fault for a fraction of the situation, she's still terrified. I'm personally having a hard time not getting annoyed at her for being so ungrateful. But then I'm the one who can't read the equestria chapters that describe the pony bodies, so why do I get to tell her what fears are stupid?

    For all she knew, the second she actually tried to stand up forherself, was the moment Hades revealed he was just like Poseidon/Zeus/Ares. Better to live in a gilded cage than find out it's painted barbwire.

    I'm giving 1/2 the blame to Zeus for signing off on it, 1/4 to the Pantheon as a whole for not overthrowing a god they basically all hated, and 1/4 to Hera since she is the freaking Goddess of Marriage (Why is she not involved with this by the way?). At this point Hera should be getting worried Paul wants her job for himself and Heph wants people more active, yet she isn't overseeing the first big marital issue in his new pantheon.
     
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