With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Chaoswind]

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A special class of Goa'uld are the Queens which are responsible for producing new larval Goa'uld for implantation into Jaffa. When encountering a new tribe of Humans or a different race, the Queen needs to first sample the DNA, or "code of life" as the Goa'uld refer to it, from the species intended to be a host. This is to ensure that there is no rejection during the process between host and larva. (SG1: "Hathor")

Source: https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Goa%27uld#Overview

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Funny how that is never ever relevant in the plot of the series. However the word larva may be doing a lot in this sentence, adult Gould are more often than not the ones taking over host with little difficulty, so it may be a problem that only exist for the Gould equivalent of toddlers.

 

[Mr Zoat]

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A special class of Goa'uld are the Queens which are responsible for producing new larval Goa'uld for implantation into Jaffa. When encountering a new tribe of Humans or a different race, the Queen needs to first sample the DNA, or "code of life" as the Goa'uld refer to it, from the species intended to be a host. This is to ensure that there is no rejection during the process between host and larva. (SG1: "Hathor")

Source: https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Goa%27uld#Overview

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That quote doesn't lead to that conclusion, otherwise there would be sekhmet Jaffa.

 

[Silveraith]

It's entirely possible there were before the widespread adoption of humans. The Goa'uld possibly didn't need Unas Jaffa because both originated from the same world and after discovering Ancient technology's near seamless adaptability to human physiology the entire Empire shifted away from non-human hosts/Jaffa.

 

[Someguy Somewhere]

Please tell me there were bright enough to do this with medical professionals on standby, like sane people would?

Seriously the Mad Science OSHA violations for Stargate are bad enough, bending space time into a pretzel, blowing up (most) of a Star System and such.

Now you have medical and legal malpractice by sticking a mind control snake into a judge.

I guess Mammon could have had them sign a waver first.....

 

[CrazyNoVa]

It's impolite.

He's done his best to turn himself into an idealised version of himself; he looks better, his accent is sharper and he doesn't do things he doesn't like doing.

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Calling it now: If Paul ever gets a 5th-dimensional Imp (Paul-mite? Orange-mite?), the first thing they'll do is to force Paul to sit through a weird video compilation of all the weird shit he's done in the series.

Oh, and then stick a tiny domino mask on Paul's face that can't be removed, just to fuck with him!

Please tell me there were bright enough to do this with medical professionals on standby, like sane people would?

Seriously the Mad Science OSHA violations for Stargate are bad enough, bending space time into a pretzel, blowing up (most) of a Star System and such.

Now you have medical and legal malpractice by sticking a mind control snake into a judge.

I guess Mammon could have had them sign a waver first.....

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Yeah, now that I think about it, safety regulations in both superhero and supervillain bases are rarely ever explored in general. Even in this story, the topic rarely comes up apart from fortifying base defenses and whatnot.

Then again, since most of the occupants would be superhuman in some way, I guess "safety" may mean something else entirely for them.

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It didn't. That part has been a gradual thing, but using the orange light makes you what you want to be.

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Okay, but if Orange makes you what you want to be, then what about the other colors? Because judging from the other Pauls out there in the multiverse, the other colors don't seem to affect you as much in the story. Granted, Blue Paul and Gold/Anti-Green Paul both have an excuse, but still.

 

[Dur'id the Druid]

Oh, I hadn't heard that. Where's that from?

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I also recall it being mentioned in SG-1, though I can't give you a episode.

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It was something t'ock (sp?) told everyone, about why jaffa exist. Either the Hathor episode, or when the female jaffa was talking with their G'hould larvae (sp?) when it was about to mature. And it wanted to defect to the Tauri.

 

[Mr Zoat]

It was something t'ock (sp?) told everyone, about why jaffa exist. Either the Hathor episode, or when the female jaffa was talking with their G'hould larvae (sp?) when it was about to mature. And it wanted to defect to the Tauri.

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The first Hathor episode had her 'sampling the code' by having sex with Dr. Jackson.

Yeah, now that I think about it, safety regulations in both superhero and supervillain bases are rarely ever explored in general. Even in this story, the topic rarely comes up apart from fortifying base defenses and whatnot.

Then again, since most of the occupants would be superhuman in some way, I guess "safety" may mean something else entirely for them.

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That's probably for the best.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDedpreZH-0

Okay, but if Orange makes you what you want to be, then what about the other colors? Because judging from the other Pauls out there in the multiverse, the other colors don't seem to affect you as much in the story. Granted, Blue Paul and Gold/Anti-Green Paul both have an excuse, but still.

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The other colours don't really do that. It's not impossible to change yourself, and it's also not impossible to make a hash of it, as Lantern Driq found.

 

[hkim]

That quote doesn't lead to that conclusion, otherwise there would be sekhmet Jaffa.

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I mean it's one quasi-canon episode vs a quasi-canon RPG sourcebook. Of course there's no firm answer there besides "they didn't think it mattered".

 

[CrazyNoVa]

The other colours don't really do that. It's not impossible to change yourself, and it's also not impossible to make a hash of it, as Lantern Driq found.

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Really? Interesting. You'd think that, being closely related to desire, love would also allow you to achieve a similar result. After all, what's the difference between what you WANT to be versus what you would LOVE to be? In fact, I'd expect that if you have a Star Sapphire ring, you could easily use it to either make yourself look like what you find attractive, or change your appearance to make yourself look like someone you love.

Ah yes, Lantern Driq. What does Paul think of him? You have to admit, the mere fact that a non-black Lantern ring can be used by a dead person raises a lot of fascinating implications. For one thing, what would happen if someone tried to use necromancy on Driq? Or put him in a lazarus pit? Or put a ring of a different color on him, and then took away his green ring? And furthermore, what does it mean for other undead DC characters like Boston Brand/Deadman?

 

[Mr Zoat]

Really? Interesting. You'd think that, being closely related to desire, love would also allow you to achieve a similar result. After all, what's the difference between what you WANT to be versus what you would LOVE to be?

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No. Love in this context is one of the eight Greek types, not a strong desire.

In fact, I'd expect that if you have a Star Sapphire ring, you could easily use it to either make yourself look like what you find attractive, or change your appearance to make yourself look like someone you love.

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Again, love is not simple desire. You can make yourself more attractive, but it's not easy unless you're a literal narcissist.

Ah yes, Lantern Driq. What does Paul think of him? You have to admit, the mere fact that a non-black Lantern ring can be used by a dead person raises a lot of fascinating implications. For one thing, what would happen if someone tried to use necromancy on Driq? Or put him in a lazarus pit? Or put a ring of a different color on him, and then took away his green ring? And furthermore, what does it mean for other undead DC characters like Boston Brand/Deadman?

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The SI hasn't actually confirmed that he exists in-setting. Assuming that he does, necromancy would probably work. Lazarus Pits aren't reliable on humans so aliens probably aren't compatible. Removing the ring canonically kills him. Permanently.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

No. Love in this context is one of the eight Greek types, not a strong desire.

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I wasn't referring to the eight Greek loves. I was just talking about love in general, because love and desire are, perhaps moreso than any other emotions on the spectrum, like two sides of the same coint. They often precede one another, and are closely related. After all, when you love something, you often hunger for it, and when you want something, you'll likely end up loving it too. Granted, there's exceptions to this, but still. Love and desire aren't that different from one another. That goes double in the DCU, since there's a certain Endless who embodies all forms of love and desire at once, and they both fall under that Endless' purview.

Hell, if you compare the Violet and Orange Lanterns' unique abilities side-by-side, you can see some similarities, especially in regards to mind control, assimilation and influencing people's emotions: Orange Lanterns and Star Sapphires can both assimilate people in their own ways, but where Orange Lanterns can assimilate people by stealing their minds, bodies and souls to turn them into construct lanterns, Star Sapphires can assimilate people by crystallizing them and brainwashing them with love, which can even work on power rings of other lantern corps to turn them into Star Sapphire rings, not unlike what Paul did with John Stewart's first ring.

If we ever see a character who has achieved violet enlightenment in either canon or in this story, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that they had to confront and accept all of their loves and lusts in the same way that Paul had to confront his own wants and desires when he achieved enlightenment, nor would I be surprised if the violet version of enlightenment granted similar abilities to what the orange version does. After all, if you have the ability to see someone's desires, it's not too hard to guess what they love. And in turn, if you can see someone's loves, then it shouldn't be too hard to guess what they desire either.

Also, the mere act of exposing someone to the orange and violet lights has been shown to drive people insane, especially if it's their first time putting on an orange or violet ring. Maybe that's why Star Sapphires can resist the orange light's power in canon. Maybe it's because orange and violet lanterns both live by their hearts and their respective emotions require them to be extremely obsessive, not to mention batshit crazy. Or maybe the fact that their powers have so much similarity and synergy makes Orange and Violet lanterns naturally resistant to each other's abilities.

Again, love is not simple desire. You can make yourself more attractive, but it's not easy unless you're a literal narcissist.

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Interesting. So, what you're saying is that if I was a super narcissist who had a really high opinion of myself, and if I genuinely thought I was the hottest guy on Earth, and if I had a Star Sapphire ring…then the ring would essentially make me transform and self-actualize into the hottest guy on Earth?

What about if you're someone who actually has a really self-positive image of themselves and are just happy the way they are, while also really loving themselves without being a narcissist? Would the Star Sapphire ring just preserve their appearance and make sure they don't age, get fat or go through any significant transformation so that they can stay that way forever?

 

[GhostKing 666]

Did we ever see these Sekhmet folk in the series? Because I'm picturing animalistic cat-people. Interesting that she's adapted for them, though.

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Nope, Sekhmet are entirely a thing from the rpg. Not that there's anything wrong with that, one nice thing about the rpgs is that like the novels, they gave more depth and focus on things like Goa'uld history, backgrounds for the System Lords(and any interesting unique and divergent technology they might be known for), early Stargate encounters like what the System Lord Pelops got up to(the guy responsible for the planet with the nanotech STD that Jack got) and some of the aliens that only ever showed up for a single episode like the aquatic Ohnes and the crystalline Unity(whose survivors are divided into three different groups, the explorers, pacifists and vengeance seekers). We even have examples of Unas dominated planets where the local population started developing past the stone age, the planet Pssk and planet K'kaa(which is actually inhabited by an offshoot species called the K'kaan).

Heck, the Sekhmet aren't even the only example of a rpg only race that used to be Goa'uld hosts before getting abandoned for humans, Hathor apparently used to own a race called the Netjerians. There's even a bit talking about what the Tollan survivors of Anubis's attack went through and that while Tollana might be lost, the existence of Tollan colony worlds like Pellor mean that Tollan civilization still exists.

That quote doesn't lead to that conclusion, otherwise there would be sekhmet Jaffa.

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There might have been, but from what the rpg states, most sekhmet populations were abandoned even by Bastet after humans became the "in" thing for Goa'uld. Just like the Unas.