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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Steelplaza said:
So did Anarky arise from the SI's own actions and failings? No.... well, mostly no. Lonnie was always going to be Lonnie, but I think the way the SI keeps carefully not talking in public about the Justice League conquering the world has helped draw Lonnie's attention to Orange Lantern in particular. That and the fact that OL obviously has a vision and willingness to act on how he thinks the world should be, in a way that most superheroes don't.
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The whole Anti-Life broadcast thing that caused Anarchy to arise was directly caused by OL's actions and failings.
 
Ngamer11 said:
Mannheim was able to do this behind everyone's backs. OL is in no way personally responsible for Mannheim's ascendance.
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I think Vaermina is implying that because Paul summoned the Ophidian and got the Forever People scared enough to not approach Mt. Justice, thus not meeting Superboy and not having his backup during their confrontation with Desaad and Manheim, then none of the Anti-Life fiasco would have happened.

Which is bullshit.

Paul was put in a mental simulation in which he thought his friends were being killed, the planet was being destroyed, etc. and accidentally summoned the Ophidian, an entity he never interacted with before and one that he couldn't control at the time.

There is no way that Paul could have ever predicted that that would have resulted in the world eventually being thrown into chaos by Darkseid.

And before Vaermina replies that he should have remembered the episode, I will remind them that the various versions of the SI all lose their memory of the specific setting they are in, so Paul has no knowledge of the YJ show.
 
Darko said:
That time Paul ran into Buddy Blank, the guy that gets turned into OMAC.
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I meant to imply that it's ongoing.

I hadn't forgotten this time.
Ngamer11 said:
Does he even know what he wants? Or will he think anything that even hints at one group giving another group orders as a government? He's reminding me of Havik from Mortal Kombat, who says he wants to free people from order but is seen mostly as a crazy mass murderer. Anarky isn't as bad as that, but he also similarly doesn't understand that what he says and what he does aren't exactly the same thing.
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Basically, yes. In his first comic appearance, he read newspapers, identified points of common complaint, and then engaged in direct action against the people who were being complained about. Which might have been a problem, except that he was in Gotham. His last crime before being arrested was attacking a building site where a luxury apartment block was being built rather than the cheap apartment block which the community really needed.

In his limited run, he switched from anarchic socialism to full-on Randianism, possibly as a result of his time in prison but more likely as a result in the author's philosophical shift and his inability to write a character whose motives he didn't agree with. Under the new paradigm, his original crime spree makes no sense and his moto of 'vox populi, vox dei' is heresy. Rather, the capacity for deceiving other and deceiving the self is what he seeks to remove so that all social parasites can be moved to concentration camps, ignoring the fact that Gotham crazies or genuinely bad people aren't going to care that they can't convince themselves that they're good.

It's okay when we do it.

Steelplaza said:
Sad that people only interested in engaging in the casual aside about my ongoing Supergirl conspiracy rather than the meat of my post exploring the concept of "Nemesis" in With This Ring. Shame, shame, shame.
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It's alright. I appreciate it.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I don't believe that Batman had a clown waifu in that story, but it has been a while. If you're referring to the killing that got him sent to Belle Reve, no, it was the Joker hinself.
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…What. Why? Did he like string up the clown's corpse and have pieces of it rain down on passerby or something? It'd need to be some ridiculously edgy shit to get him sent to Belle Reve instead of everyone (barring some versions of Harley) being fucking ecstatic that Joker is gone.
 
Shadowj6480 said:
…What. Why? Did he like string up the clown's corpse and have pieces of it rain down on passerby or something? It'd need to be some ridiculously edgy shit to get him sent to Belle Reve instead of everyone (barring some versions of Harley) being fucking ecstatic that Joker is gone.
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I don't remember this story, but it sounds to me like a failure in the defense or maybe Anarky just claiming the kill unashamedly.

I imagine everyone would be happy if you killed a serial killer, but I don't think the law and society can't just let it go. You did just kill another person out of your own volition, they have to arrest you and put you on trial, no?
 
Lord Ernest said:
I don't remember this story, but it sounds to me like a failure in the defense or maybe Anarky just claiming the kill unashamedly.

I imagine everyone would be happy if you killed a serial killer, but I don't think the law and society can't just let it go. You did just kill another person out of your own volition, they have to arrest you and put you on trial, no?
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Plus if I remember correctly the Light played a hand in his incarceration on order to get him on their side.

I think Talia was sent to legally represent him.
 
Shadowj6480 said:
…What. Why? Did he like string up the clown's corpse and have pieces of it rain down on passerby or something? It'd need to be some ridiculously edgy shit to get him sent to Belle Reve instead of everyone (barring some versions of Harley) being fucking ecstatic that Joker is gone.
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No. After killing thousands of people worldwide, the Joker was beaten down and restrained. Then, in front of the assembled Justice League, the SI killed him because it was obvious that he was going to do it again as soon as he could.
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I don't remember this story, but it sounds to me like a failure in the defense or maybe Anarky just claiming the kill unashamedly.
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No, not Anarky. Jacob.
 
Mr Zoat said:
No. After killing thousands of people worldwide, the Joker was beaten down and restrained. Then, in front of the assembled Justice League, the SI killed him because it was obvious that he was going to do it again as soon as he could.
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That still sounds like he should've gotten away with it. The Gotham police, as you noted, have a lot of issues with the Joker, as do 99% of the population which might make up the jury, as do many of the judges in the city.

Did they try him outside of Gotham so the police couldn't "lose" all the evidence?
 
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