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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
Bird strikes aren't a problem-. Not for me anyway. Just have to hope that none of those were endangered.
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Heh, It's been a while since he flew the friendly skies, hasn't it...

"I'm not family and he doesn't like-. Didn't like being reminded of the Dial. Especially after what happened to Vicki."
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...What hapenned to Vicki? I'm guessing nothing good. More evidence against allowing the Dials to remain in the wild...

""[/COLOR]-Horror Dials, made based on the original design. Would they help?"
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"-got no idea. It usually give me something I can use...
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"-got no idea. It usually gives me something I can use...

Mr King looks at him sympathetically for a moment, then raises left wrist.
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Mr King looks at him sympathetically for a moment, then raises his left wrist.

"Super Sleuth, master of mysteries and concluder of conundrums!"
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Oh god, the Dial plays by Silver Age Rules... Announcing their name and tagline on first appearance...

Okay, I'll need to head back to the bridge, they I should be able to follow exactly where it went!"
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Okay, I'll need to head back to the bridge, then I should be able to follow exactly where it went!"

My team mates look at one another in confusion. Raquel shakes her head. "What'd he say?"
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...And it doesn't speak English. Of course.

At least things are picking up. Shouldn't take too long to find... Unless Murphy's or Sod's Laws kick in.
 
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Mquz said:
It does, but only for OL. Wonder if it's an alien language the ring actually knows from experience? Though I suppose it probably just has really good natural language processing/ reads mind surface layers for desire to get a meaning across.
Probably the former.
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It's a little ridiculous, but power rings are actually explicitly capable of translating anything that has meaning behind it.

Anything.
 
Quick question ... How do readers find out the dial went back in time? Does anyone know in universe? Or did the wizard know but not Robby? Or was this an elseworld thing/ only explained through a side story?
 
Buggy123 said:
It's a little ridiculous, but power rings are actually explicitly capable of translating anything that has meaning behind it.

Anything.
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All rings? I mean being able to sense the will or the desire behind communication might work for translation since that could potentially be sensed with the emotional spectrum and usually exists in any communication. But would fear? Anger? Eh, whatever, I'm probably thinking too much about it.
 
Mquz said:
All rings? I mean being able to sense the will or the desire behind communication might work for translation since that could potentially be sensed with the emotional spectrum and usually exists in any communication. But would fear? Anger? Eh, whatever, I'm probably thinking too much about it.
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The fear of being misunderstood. The frustrations of not being able to get through to this gibberish speaking aliens.
 
Mquz said:
All rings? I mean being able to sense the will or the desire behind communication might work for translation since that could potentially be sensed with the emotional spectrum and usually exists in any communication. But would fear? Anger? Eh, whatever, I'm probably thinking too much about it.
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We haven't seen all the rings, but yeah, those we have seen have always been shown as translating everything. The only exception I can think of was when a bunch of vikings ended up in the Watchtower, and the ring couldn't quite translate perfectly for some reason (probably relating to magic).

Beyond that, everything. No matter how obscure or strange, be it spoken or written or body language, etc, even if it was written thousands of years ago by someone long-dead. Translated. There's definitely some funky emotional spectrum magic going on behind the scenes.
 
Mquz said:
Quick question ... How do readers find out the dial went back in time? Does anyone know in universe? Or did the wizard know but not Robby? Or was this an elseworld thing/ only explained through a side story?
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The dial going back in time is from the comics, so it may or may not happen here.

It's not like DC is going to send cyborg ninja aliens to Zoat's house if he decides to make something up instead again.

And in the comics it's Robbie who sends it back in time to get rid of it because he decided it was more trouble than it was worth, after dealing with a serial killer who got a transformation that made Superman look like Kickass.

Robbie calls such transformations "Jackpots."

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...What hapenned to Vicki? I'm guessing nothing good. More evidence against allowing the Dials to remain in the wild....
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In the comics she went sex drugs and rock n roll in college and ended up in a crazy cult until her internalizing the dial's power meant she turns into monsters.

Since Zoat doesn't seem to be using the whole "internalize the dial's power" thing, I'm assuming that it's something else here.
 
Chojin Patriarch said:
""[/COLOR]-Horror Dials, made based on the original design. Would they help?"
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"-got no idea. It usually give me something I can use...
"-got no idea. It usually gives me something I can use...
Mr King looks at him sympathetically for a moment, then raises left wrist.
Mr King looks at him sympathetically for a moment, then raises his left wrist.
Okay, I'll need to head back to the bridge, they I should be able to follow exactly where it went!"
Okay, I'll need to head back to the bridge, then I should be able to follow exactly where it went!"
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Thank you, corrected.
"I'm not family and he doesn't like-. Didn't like being reminded of the Dial. Especially after what happened to Vicki."
...What hapenned to Vicki? I'm guessing nothing good. More evidence against allowing the Dials to remain in the wild...
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Ended up in a secure hospital. Exactly why hasn't been discussed.
 
Prince Charon said:
Including kittens and puppies. I'm pretty sure that's come up on occasion, in-story, but it was a while ago.
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I remember that in one renegade episode, he was working on recovering a extinct canine species to gain favor with Ra's Al Ghul, and he had his (yellow) ring translating for them. Don't remember any other examples, though.
 
Oh El has two rings, why didn't he want to subspace the Horror dials? Even the Sword Of Second and Third could be subspaced.
 
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Mquz said:
All rings? I mean being able to sense the will or the desire behind communication might work for translation since that could potentially be sensed with the emotional spectrum and usually exists in any communication. But would fear? Anger? Eh, whatever, I'm probably thinking too much about it.
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Ring translation isn't bound to the emotion. It's a deeper and possibly magical level, and quite needed since the entire idea of the rings is to go fly out and grab random sentient planets, sentient mathematical equations, a ghost in a sheet, smallpox, and have them swear oaths to the Corps.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Mr King shakes his head. "Assuming it still works the same, you gotta dial 'oreh."
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Mr Zoat said:
"Okay, here we go with attempt number one. "H-E-R-O."
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Two cases of weird quote marks, although the first one MIGHT be intended as an indication of pronunciation.

rkyeun said:
Ring translation isn't bound to the emotion. It's a deeper and possibly magical level, and quite needed since the entire idea of the rings is to go fly out and grab random sentient planets, sentient mathematical equations, a ghost in a sheet, smallpox, and have them swear oaths to the Corps.
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I imagine it probably operates on the same principle as the universal neural interface, picking up the subject's intent instead of binding to language itself.
 
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Oh Rl has two rings, why didn't he want to subspace the Horror dials? Even the Sword Of Second and Third could be subspaced
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Part of Paul's "being cautious about everything" thing going on right now. But, to be fair, since it's a possibility that the main dial has the ability to teleport itself when unattended (that being one of the hypotheses as to why they can't find it in the river), not letting these dials out of sight isn't unreasonable.
 
Coda said:
Two cases of weird quote marks, although the first one MIGHT be intended as an indication of pronunciation.


I imagine it probably operates on the same principle as the universal neural interface, picking up the subject's intent instead of binding to language itself.
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I was similarly assuming that it picks up intent/ emotion behind the language. Since I assume that language itself might be magical - or even directly utilize the emotional spectrum, which would explain things like Zatara-style spellcasting by speaking backwards. If you want to be clever, you could say they're mirroring or impressing the meaning of the words physically onto the world.
 
GhostKing 666 said:
So anyone else seeing these dial things getting reminded of the Omnitrix from Ben 10?
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Given that the Omnitrix was about as direct a rip off/homage of the H-dial as you can get, right down to the "does whatever the hell it wants." that's unsurprising.

I was wondering when someone would make the comment.
 
Mquz said:
I was similarly assuming that it picks up intent/ emotion behind the language. Since I assume that language itself might be magical - or even directly utilize the emotional spectrum, which would explain things like Zatara-style spellcasting by speaking backwards. If you want to be clever, you could say they're mirroring or impressing the meaning of the words physically onto the world.
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So it occurs to me that there's a couple of flaws in my reasoning.

First, the ring can translate written language. There's no neural interface shenanigans that can work for that.

Second, the ring has been seen to fail at translating dead languages even when spoken by a living(-ish) person. The SI had to instruct its ring to reconstruct Old Norse based on its modern descendants in order to communicate with the Einherjar.
 
Coda said:
So it occurs to me that there's a couple of flaws in my reasoning.

First, the ring can translate written language. There's no neural interface shenanigans that can work for that.

Second, the ring has been seen to fail at translating dead languages even when spoken by a living(-ish) person. The SI had to instruct its ring to reconstruct Old Norse based on its modern descendants in order to communicate with the Einherjar.
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It might if it works in languages more than a certain amount of people are desiring things in - i.e. it pulls on the orange light in general to create the neural interface. So you are in fact reading the collective minds of the entire species simultaneously. Or it reads a writer's desire in the language.
Or it might read Language as an anthropomorphic entity (which exists by DC logic since it can die). Basically since people believe it's alive, it gets born in the dream - or maybe it is just part of Uncle Sam/ captain Nazi and others like him. Since there is always a conceptual link there (like that which the staff of destiny can use) the ring might see that. This is what evidence would point to if it reads American English as British English in Paul's mind when he's not actively trying to read the original text. Though that means Paul might be connected to John Bull(British Uncle Sam). ( who might not be included so far due to being yet another character named John to remember.) This would have made Paul even more old-timey British (unless John Bull got replaced by a newer version) before he got his first magic resistance.

Though this does bring up the interesting implication that the Tracker's language must not be extinct.
 
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Part of Paul's "being cautious about everything" thing going on right now. But, to be fair, since it's a possibility that the main dial has the ability to teleport itself when unattended (that being one of the hypotheses as to why they can't find it in the river), not letting these dials out of sight isn't unreasonable.
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They are inferior copies, so they can't do that.
 
Wild guess as to how Orangest Night starts... Necron takes over Paul, who uses his knowledge to help by giving him the staff of Destiny, which he uses to take over the OLC. Since there are no more Orange lanterns (except maybe Paul's Soul), the full emotional spectrum is no longer available to forge the white ring / power battery and Necron essentially becomes unbeatable.
 
Mquz said:
Still might ... seems like something the Wizard might do on purpose to be the mysterious old man character.
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Considering everyone keep their copy dials even when they weren't carrying them on themselves 24 hours a day, is highty unlikely.

The original Dial being a Troll... that I can accept.
 
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