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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

And the vote having to be legal was one of Orange Lanterns qualifiers.
I don't think it was?

"What if a world in the Thanagarian Empire wants to be ruled by me?"

"Contact me. I will visit and arrange a plebiscite. You'll need a clear majority, and in the case of worlds with a non-thanagarian population they'll need to be involved as well."
All he says is clear majority, and actually he specifies the non-thanagarians need to vote too (aka the lizardkons).

"You may have noticed that my thanagarian followers aren't here."

"They're attacking the Thanagarian Empire?"

"Something like that. Acquiring a new colony, since Alstair isn't ideal for them and I'm no longer limited to this system."

"As long as they're finished when you sign the treaty, that's fine."
Here he makes it even more explicit, as long as she's done before it's signed she's fine.
 
Don't let it bother you, it being the piss poor reading comprehension of other people.
 
So if I understand correctly...

Hyathis just took over the low population planet by importing a outside population and having the new majority vote to join her.

The planet happens to have the new source of nth metal.

The Empire just signed a treaty that they wouldn't contest stuff she manages to get to join her.

...

Yikes.
Nearly. The Thanagarian Empire imported the population and trained them as soldiers with the intent of having them be the force occupying Antares.

To quote Spike in Buffy the Vampire Slayer: "Did you forget that I hate you?"
 
I don't think it was?


All he says is clear majority, and actually he specifies the non-thanagarians need to vote too (aka the lizardkons).


Here he makes it even more explicit, as long as she's done before it's signed she's fine.
A plebiscite is a direct universal vote.

As the Thanagarian natives did not know the vote was taking place it was not a universal vote.
 
Nearly. The Thanagarian Empire imported the population and trained them as soldiers with the intent of having them be the force occupying Antares.

To quote Spike in Buffy the Vampire Slayer: "Did you forget that I hate you?"
That makes it even more amusing that things have blown up in the face of the Thanagarian Empire so badly. Will we be seeing an omake from someone else's POV to underline how bad things have gotten for them?
 
[You didn't ask where they put Vulcan's-]

N-oooo.

[-new foundry, did you?]
The fact it wasn't right outside their capital city means they were trying to hide it and have no one but themselves to blame.

Not certain where Vulcan stands on the "Why would god need a starship?" issue, but I suspect Hyathis could not compel his service by force. She gets to make him an offer but can always say no.
 
The fact it wasn't right outside their capital city means they were trying to hide it and have no one but themselves to blame.
Eh, there might have been local features that made that planet better... But sending oppressed conscripts there in numbers that high, when Hyathis can clearly get there faster than news can get out? Yeah, some of that might just be how things go... But all of it together seems to betray a certain carelessness.
 
Not certain where Vulcan stands on the "Why would god need a starship?" issue, but I suspect Hyathis could not compel his service by force. She gets to make him an offer but can always say no.

It's been so long since he's shown up I can't even remember the specifics, does he even have a reason not to just relocate and keep working for Thanagar?
 
[As far as I can tell? Yes.]
"Any thoughts

Add a space between the two sentences.

The others bad them.

Orange Lantern better not let them get away with this.

Especially since the Lizardos not being citizens of the planet means the "vote" is meaningless.

Yeah, who gives a rats ass about the mistreated second class citizens that have little prospects with their Thanagarian overlords in charge.

Why, Paul should just abandon them to their miserable fate, like he did with the Tamaraneans.

Oh wait, he actually helped them.
 
It's been so long since he's shown up I can't even remember the specifics, does he even have a reason not to just relocate and keep working for Thanagar?
He left Earth to try something new. He has no loyalty to Thanagar at all and was happy simply making Nth metal for the challenge of doing so. The fact that the ones who'll be buying it from him is someone else now doesn't matter to him whatsoever.
 
A plebiscite is a direct universal vote.

As the Thanagarian natives did not know the vote was taking place it was not a universal vote.
I think you've misunderstood the chapter. The Thanagarian army in the system Paul was in didn't know it was taking place, there's nothing about the Thanagarians local to the planet not being able to vote or not knowing about it. They were just outnumbered.
 
And she got Vulcan. Which means that he's not going to be making Nth metal for them.

I'm not sure how she's "got" Vulcan. She's got a chance to negotiate with Vulcan and try to make him a better offer (which is very possible since she's got far more experience with magic), but Vulcan is still an independent agent. The Thanagarians could simply approach him again and make a better offer. He can move his workshop again, if he decides to go with them.

Meanwhile Vulcan can smoke a stogie and enjoy the bidding war.

[I also found out where the lizarkon labourers went.]

I didn't quite get this part. Did Hyanthis smuggle the lizarkons off world to Conrall under the beaks of the Thanagarians? How did she manage that? That's a pretty big population transfer!

EDIT: Oh, I see you made another post explaining the Thangarian government had imported them as slaves soldiers to prepare them to occupy Thanagar. That makes sense.
 
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EDIT: Oh, I see you made another post explaining the Thangarian government had imported them as slaves soldiers to prepare them to occupy Thanagar. That makes sense.
To occupy the worlds of Antares. There wouldn't be much point in using them to occupy Thanagar.
 
He left Earth to try something new. He has no loyalty to Thanagar at all and was happy simply making Nth metal for the challenge of doing so. The fact that the ones who'll be buying it from him is someone else now doesn't matter to him whatsoever.

Oh, that was why, thanks. It's been forever since it came up so I'd forgotten completely and assumed it was one something like they were picking up worshipping him for his help solving their metal crisis.
 
To occupy the worlds of Antares. There wouldn't be much point in using them to occupy Thanagar.


So the chain of events is.

Old colony made up of only Thanagarians closer to the border with Hyathis gets Vulcan forge and its new cults.
Thanagar imports the Lizardcons to the old colony to force them to work in the world infrastructure and to train them for a future occupation of Antares civilizations.
Blades and their troops attack the planet and liberate the Lizardcons from their yoke.
The Lizardcons plus all the people that made up the blades now drastically outnumber the ones loyal to thanagar.

This treaty means thanagar lost the planet and vulcans forge to their hubris, because they didn't want vulcan closer to their core worlds because they suspected his introverted godly ass.

Hyathis has made herself the leader of a federation of multiple species, the plant people of their world, the Thanagarians loyal to her, the Lizardcons, and J immigrants interested in how other plant people work. Currently she is occupying two other species that currently hate her, but will eventually shift when she brings prosperity to their devastated worlds and maybe some plant based recreational drugs.

Hyathis is currently winning so fucking hard and she seems reasonable enough to work under the constraints set by Paul, that he may be open to help her in the future, she has 4 distinct tech bases at her disposal as well, pretty sure she could also get significant parts of earth to vote to join her too and she isn't quite far enough for that to be impossible and to be honest better her and her nascent federation than Thanagar or the Reach.
 
So the chain of events is.

Old colony made up of only Thanagarians closer to the border with Hyathis gets Vulcan forge and its new cults.
Thanagar imports the Lizardcons to the old colony to force them to work in the world infrastructure and to train them for a future occupation of Antares civilizations.
Blades and their troops attack the planet and liberate the Lizardcons from their yoke.
The Lizardcons plus all the people that made up the blades now drastically outnumber the ones loyal to thanagar.

This treaty means thanagar lost the planet and vulcans forge to their hubris, because they didn't want vulcan closer to their core worlds because they suspected his introverted godly ass.
This part is correct, though she may have sent her followers to other worlds near that colony as well.

Hyathis has made herself the leader of a federation of multiple species, the plant people of their world, the Thanagarians loyal to her, the Lizardcons, and J immigrants interested in how other plant people work. Currently she is occupying two other species that currently hate her, but will eventually shift when she brings prosperity to their devastated worlds and maybe some plant based recreational drugs.

Hyathis is currently winning so fucking hard and she seems reasonable enough to work under the constraints set by Paul, that he may be open to help her in the future, she has 4 distinct tech bases at her disposal as well, pretty sure she could also get significant parts of earth to vote to join her too and she isn't quite far enough for that to be impossible and to be honest better her and her nascent federation than Thanagar or the Reach.
This is way off. She won the war of the Antares system, but she still has to deal with managing three different species who've been waging war on her species for years now. Earth is nowhere close to doing anything about space politics when it's still rebuilding, and probably still won't even after it's finished. Plus the fact that the Vega system is nearby so Hyathis will need to watch out for the Crown Imperium. Also, there are no J immigrants, just traders. So Hyathis still has a lot of work to do.
 

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