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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
"What became of that woman's leg?"

"It was used in the commission of a crime, so I confiscated it."

"I… See. Will it be returned to her?"

"Well, it's evidence now. That's up to the Gotham police."
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This is rather cheeky. Also, rather fucked up on multiple levels.

What should be happening is the person who lost a leg gets put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital for treatment. The leg gets put on ice and sent along with her so the doctors can examine it and her when making a diagnosis, and determine if it can be reattached. If you actually want to take the leg as evidence as salvage. If it isn't something the doctors decide they won't be able to reattach and to actually want to be a dick and confiscate someone's body parts as evidence, that is something you really should be arsed to go to the trouble of getting a warrant for.

Not having enough emotional investment to heal the murderess yourself is one thing. This, whatever this is, is something else entirely.

Mr Zoat said:
There's an explosion to the south. We both turn to look at it, and even as I see the extinguishing of emotional lights that indicate people are dying I just feel… Frustration.

Disappointment.

I sigh.
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[Gilgamesh Wulfenbach]This must be how my father feels--all the time![/Gilgamesh Wulfenbach]
 
Bramble Thorn said:
This is rather cheeky. Also, rather fucked up on multiple levels.

What should be happening is the person who lost a leg gets put in an ambulance and sent to the hospital for treatment. The leg gets put on ice and sent along with her so the doctors can examine it and her when making a diagnosis, and determine if it can be reattached. If you actually want to take the leg as evidence as salvage. If it isn't something the doctors decide they won't be able to reattach and to actually want to be a dick and confiscate someone's body parts as evidence, that is something you really should be arsed to go to the trouble of getting a warrant for.

Not having enough emotional investment to heal the murderess yourself is one thing. Whatever this is, is something else entirely.
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The SI wasn't being entirely serious. That said, the thigh was too damaged to be reattached without exotic reconstruction, and neither the SI nor Dr Balewa are inclined to provide that.
 
Random question, but what would happen if Renegade (or someone else) Awakened Billy Batson? (I don't remember if Renegade Awakened Teth Adom in his human form, but I believe he offered). Being regularly exposed to high-level magic in the form of the Shazam lightning bolt should have significant effects in terms of his hypothetical development as a New God.
 
DrThoth said:
Random question, but what would happen if Renegade (or someone else) Awakened Billy Batson? (I don't remember if Renegade Awakened Teth Adom in his human form, but I believe he offered). Being regularly exposed to high-level magic in the form of the Shazam lightning bolt should have significant effects in terms of his hypothetical development as a New God.
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My guess is that he wouldn't actually be able to stay transformed, since the new god magic resistance doesn't differentiate between buffs and debuffs, its probably like Grayven, who when using the Garrick formular for example looses the powers after a few seconds.
 
Mr Zoat said:
The SI wasn't being entirely serious. That said, the thigh was too damaged to be reattached without exotic reconstruction, and neither the SI nor Dr Balewa are inclined to provide that.
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Plus, if you have exotic reconstruction there's a decent chance that you could just make another leg wholesale, anyway.
 
Buggy123 said:
Plus, if you have exotic reconstruction there's a decent chance that you could just make another leg wholesale, anyway.
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And, knowing Gotham, would call herself Professor Magic-Leg, doom to all who behold Her! Fear her deadly Kicks and despair, ye mortal fools!

At which point Batman would punch her in the face. Truly is this not a wonderful city?
 
Mr Zoat said:
The SI wasn't being entirely serious. That said, the thigh was too damaged to be reattached without exotic reconstruction, and neither the SI nor Dr Balewa are inclined to provide that.
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Remember when the villian just tried to name himself Doctor Gotham, and the SI was all, "Not without a degree from an accredited institution of learning?" Because that goes both ways. Dismembered body parts going with the victim is should be actual protocol for the emergency response services and honestly, OL or Dr Balewa making the call themselves and deciding not to send along the amputated limb sounds like a good case for 'practicing medicine without a license' if any of the doctors or prosecutors who review this case see a problem with this case, unless they have a current medical license valid in Gotham. OL is especially vulnerable to looking malicious and vindictive as the person who shot off her leg, almost as if he is trying to intentionally make sure she is crippled by denying access to medical treatment.

Let me be very plain here, allowances can be (and are) routinely made for the actions needed to take a suspect into custody. Once a suspect is in custody however, things are different. OL is edging into human rights abuses here. And like most people who end up being called to account for such things, aren't owning up to how fucked up their behavior is even when they are called out on it point blank.

Yeah, those terrorists in Guantanamo were bad people. Taking selfies of their genitals as a souvenir is still a really fucked up thing to do that doesn't speak well of the character of the guards who did it.

Yeah, that sorceress was a bad person. Saying you are confiscating the leg you yourself shot off as evidence because she 'used it in the commission of a crime' instead of sending it along with her to the hospital is also a really fucked up thing to do that doesn't speak well of the character of the arresting superhero who did it.

I hope this is an intentional characterisation of the character, and not just something that is happening because the author has some really nonstandard opinions about what is and isn't the standard and accepted ethical behavior in the situation.
 
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Vaermina said:
He's in Gotham, a city with an actual tangible "Aura of Evil" with "absorb ambient energy" tattoo's on his body.
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Those don't work like that.

OL explicitly stated that, even while in Hell, the evilest of evil places with the evilest of Auras of Evil, the effect was only noticeable because Satanus had pulled some shenanigans.
 
Bramble Thorn said:
Remember when the villian just tried to name himself Doctor Gotham, and the SI was all, "Not without a degree from an accredited institution of learning?" Because that goes both ways. Dismembered body parts going with the victim is should be actual protocol for the emergency response services and honestly, OL or Dr Balewa making the call themselves and deciding not to send along the amputated limb sounds like a good case for 'practicing medicine without a license' if any of the doctors or prosecutors who review this case see a problem with this case, unless they have a current medical license valid in Gotham. OL is especially vulnerable to looking malicious and vindictive as the person who shot off her leg, almost as if he is trying to intentionally make sure she is crippled by denying access to medical treatment.

Let me be very plain here, allowances can be (and are) routinely made for the actions needed to take a suspect into custody. Once a suspect is in custody however, things are different. OL is edging into human rights abuses here. And like most people who end up being called to account for such things, aren't owning up to how fucked up their behavior is even when they are called out on it point blank.

Yeah, those terrorists in Guantanamo were bad people. Taking selfies of their genitals as a souvenir is still a really fucked up thing to do that doesn't speak well of the character of the guards who did it.

Yeah, that sorceress was a bad person. Saying you are confiscating the leg you yourself shot off as evidence because she 'used it in the commission of a crime' instead of sending it along with her to the hospital is also a really fucked up thing to do that doesn't speak well of the character of the arresting superhero who did it.

I hope this is an intentional characterisation of the character, and not just something that is happening because the author has some really nonstandard opinions about what is and isn't the standard and accepted ethical behavior in the situation.
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I think it was a joke
 
Aabcehmu said:
(Also, for what it's worth, a 3.5e psion can actually only spend a number of Power Points on a single manifestation equal to their manifester level, possible up to plus 3 if they have Overchannel and are level 20, which comes out to 23 power points on a single manifestation, or between one fifteenth and one twentieth of their total power point pool.)
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You are apparently unfamiliar with munchkining of psions.

You go nova by using powers to get more actions.

Schism to have a second mind with its own actions that can also spend manifester level in points. Fission to make a second body with its own actions that can manifest powers spending up to manifester level in points.

Synchronicity to get an extra standard action which you can use to spend manifester level in points on a power.

Linked power to set off a power to go off next turn which you can spend up to manifester level in points on.

A psion spending points to manifest the equivalent of a ninth level spell is not going nova, that's business as usual. Going nova is a psion throwing 4+ powers of their highest capacity at the same time.

Aeess said:
My guess is that he wouldn't actually be able to stay transformed, since the new god magic resistance doesn't differentiate between buffs and debuffs, its probably like Grayven, who when using the Garrick formular for example looses the powers after a few seconds.
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New God Awakening works off of what is already there. Hence speedsters getting faster, the dannered getting stronger, etc. I figure the Captain Marvel transformation would therefore be considered a preexisting aspect to strengthen.

I might be wrong though, just a guess on my part.

Ngamer11 said:
Maybe it suppressed his powers, but the trenchcoat was considered separate, and only required his intent to be used? Then it was suppressed by Fate.
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The way I read the situation, and perhaps Zoat was intending your interpretation, was that Gotham had his cloak which he tapped to resist the suppression effects of the chains.

Which he then used to open a portal to go all Gilgamesh on Quinn and Paul to get rid of the threat and planning to then deal with the chain.

If he had instead focused on the chain, he could have tapped his artifacts and broken the chain.

That would have of course melted the chain, which would not have been good for him, but he wouldn't have known that, of course.
 
Bramble Thorn said:
Remember when the villian just tried to name himself Doctor Gotham, and the SI was all, "Not without a degree from an accredited institution of learning?" Because that goes both ways. Dismembered body parts going with the victim is should be actual protocol for the emergency response services and honestly, OL or Dr Balewa making the call themselves and deciding not to send along the amputated limb sounds like a good case for 'practicing medicine without a license' if any of the doctors or prosecutors who review this case see a problem with this case, unless they have a current medical license valid in Gotham. OL is especially vulnerable to looking malicious and vindictive as the person who shot off her leg, almost as if he is trying to intentionally make sure she is crippled by denying access to medical treatment.

Let me be very plain here, allowances can be (and are) routinely made for the actions needed to take a suspect into custody. Once a suspect is in custody however, things are different. OL is edging into human rights abuses here. And like most people who end up being called to account for such things, aren't owning up to how fucked up their behavior is even when they are called out on it point blank.

Yeah, those terrorists in Guantanamo were bad people. Taking selfies of their genitals as a souvenir is still a really fucked up thing to do that doesn't speak well of the character of the guards who did it.

Yeah, that sorceress was a bad person. Saying you are confiscating the leg you yourself shot off as evidence because she 'used it in the commission of a crime' instead of sending it along with her to the hospital is also a really fucked up thing to do that doesn't speak well of the character of the arresting superhero who did it.

I hope this is an intentional characterisation of the character, and not just something that is happening because the author has some really nonstandard opinions about what is and isn't the standard and accepted ethical behavior in the situation.
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Ain't you a barrel of laughs.
 
Stsword said:
A psion spending points to manifest the equivalent of a ninth level spell is not going nova, that's business as usual. Going nova is a psion throwing 4+ powers of their highest capacity at the same time.
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It should be noted that putting all of your eggs in one basket OUGHT to result in overwhelming effects. You wouldn't do it if it didn't. Said psion doesn't have the capacity to do that twice (at least, not twice in one day), and if circumstances are ever so dire to actually warrant such action then it had better solve the problem. It's not an efficient use of power points. It's a desperation move.

I mean, in 3.0 (this was nerfed in 3.5), a sorcerer/incantatrix with the right feat loadout could do this:
Turn 1:
- Swift action: Quickened Haste
- Haste action: Time Stop
- Standard action: Maximized Delayed Blast Fireball (5 turns delay)
Turn 2:
- Standard action: Maximized Delayed Blast Fireball (4 turns delay)
- Haste action: Maximized Delayed Blast Fireball (4 turns delay)
Turn 3:
- Standard action: Maximized Delayed Blast Fireball (3 turns delay)
- Haste action: Maximized Delayed Blast Fireball (3 turns delay)
Turn 4:
- Standard action: Maximized Delayed Blast Fireball (2 turns delay)
- Haste action: Maximized Delayed Blast Fireball (2 turns delay)
Turn 5:
- Standard action: Empowered Delayed Blast Fireball (1 turn delay)
- Haste action: Empowered Delayed Blast Fireball (1 turn delay)
Turn 6:
- Standard action: Empowered Delayed Blast Fireball (delay to end of turn)
- Haste action: Empowered Delayed Blast Fireball (delay to end of turn)
- Swift action: Quickened Dimension Door (GTFO)
- Time stop expires. 120d6+840 (average 1260) fire damage worth of Delayed Blast Fireballs simultaneously detonate. Reflex save (DC 32) up to 11 times for down to half damage. Fortitude save (DC 15) between 7 and 11 times (depending on how the damage dice rolled and if you made the last four reflex saves) or die instantly. If target resists fire, use the Energy Substitution feat to make it all sonic damage instead.

Yes, there ARE 10th-level spells in there. Incantatrices can do that. Yes, the sorcerer is out of 9th level spells after this, and mostly out of 8th level spells. And importantly: yes, there are better things the sorcerer could do with those spell slots if she doesn't have to deal this much damage in a single round.



No, no, what I'm actually afraid of is the ranger that was in my party in a campaign I played back in college. I don't know what the heck kind of ability he found in an official splatbook that let him use Perform (Dance) checks to allow a single attack roll to apply to all melee attacks he made that turn, but he was dual-wielding +5 keen shocking burst scimitars. That meant on a roll of 15 or better, he could unload up to eight 3d6+1d10+24 attacks per round and never worry about running out of resources.
 
Chojin Patriarch said:
Boy, the League really does need more magic-user members...
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The worst thing is that OL had to push for two out of those three, and one of them spent most of a year enslaved by a magic helmet that OL had to save him from. Yeah, the Justice League really, really doesn't spend enough time addressing its lack of depth in mystic knowledge.

dogbertcarroll said:
Catwoman knows she is getting older and slower even as her skill increases, so she may ask for a tuneup or something along those lines.
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She's probably met Paula a time or two at this point, so it's likely she'd think of this too.
 
Vaermina said:
And it's canon that Gotham is where Hell goes to look for ideas.
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A: Citation, please.

B: Even if true, if Gotham had anywhere near the metaphysical oomph that the literal dimension of evil had, anyone with the slightest magical awareness would notice. You don't just have a Aura of Evil that strong and not have it show up on even the simplest magic-detecting spells.
 
AverusBlack said:
So what you're saying is, her case doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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[Technically Correct]
No it does have a leg to stand on. Exactly one leg to stand on. Not having a leg to stand on would have required a double lower amputation, not just single.
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Bramble Thorn said:
[Technically Correct]
No it does have a leg to stand on. Exactly one leg to stand on. Not having a leg to stand on would double lower amputation, not just single.
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No, because she's missing a leg, she's less one leg to stand on. So she doesn't have the leg she would otherwise have, and thus, doesn't have a leg to stand on. /semantics
 
Mr Zoat said:
Her hair retreats into her head, which expands, becoming squarer. Her arms, legs and torso lengthen while her living clothing pulls back across her skin, leaving just the red X. Not that she has anything to conceal in this form, as far as I can tell. Her arms terminate in the same two fingers I felt at the Tower, and her feet have three webbed toes. Her… carapace? Is hard and green, with softer parts in dull lilac.
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Rereading some early episodes and found a broken link.
 
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