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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
Sunset: "Twilight is the Princess of Friendship. I'm the Alicorn of Magic. And as we've previously established that F ≠ M I don't see what the problem is?"
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See: Ember being unable to distinguish between Twilight and Starlight.
Having two alicorns with domains close enough that the layperson doesn't know the difference will be a subject of confusion. And thus a subject of annoyance.

Mr Zoat said:
Do I need to link to the Tree of Harmony Melting Ponies video again?
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I prefer the 'expose children to their worst fears' example of Harmony not necessarily being nice.

Mr Zoat said:
-warmaster luna-
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What, no link?
 
Well, I don't think Chrysalis picking a fight with an Alicorn was THAT stupid. Her track record with defeating and capturing Alicorns is actually pretty good. It's bullshit deus ex machina and last second superweapons that get the better of her.

And I'm pretty the idea that the planet is doomed if you take out Celestia and Luna has never once been corroborated. They even showed a timeline where Nightmare Moon won and eternal night hadn't destroyed anything.

And, well, the day/night cycle still happened when Celestia and Luna were in the cocoons Chrysalis put them in.

Beyond that . . .

Celestia: My sister is an adult and can date whomever she wishes.

Also Celestia: I will use my magic to attempt to forcibly prevent Luna from kissing her suitor.
 
ForeverShogo said:
Well, I don't think Chrysalis picking a fight with an Alicorn was THAT stupid. Her track record with defeating and capturing Alicorns is actually pretty good. It's bullshit deus ex machina and last second superweapons that get the better of her.
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'Picking a fight with an alicorn' doesn't just refer to the alicorn's direct internal power, but to all of the resources they can draw upon.
And I'm pretty the idea that the planet is doomed if you take out Celestia and Luna has never once been corroborated. They even showed a timeline where Nightmare Moon won and eternal night hadn't destroyed anything.
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Yeah, and Young Justice didn't show all of the children Klarion murdered. Writers don't always think about the logical consequences of the events they write.
And, well, the day/night cycle still happened when Celestia and Luna were in the cocoons Chrysalis put them in.
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I don't remember seeing Luna in a cocoon. Also, it had only been a few minutes.
 
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how long it was been
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was -> has

Mr Zoat said:
Magical megaweapons are very nice to have, but given how temperamental they can be relying on them is not wise."

"Perhaps more to the point, Luna has led armies and she's at least as good a fighter as anyone in the employ of the Equestrian government.
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If these are both the Renegade speaking, then conventional quoting would skip the close quote here.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Sunset: "Twilight is the Princess of Friendship. I'm the Alicorn of Magic. And as we've previously established that F ≠ M I don't see what the problem is?"
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Hold it.

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A hurricane of light surrounds both of us. My gems of red, pink, purple, orange, blue and green spin around us, the black lines covering our bodies being evaporated and the baleful rainbow from the Anti-Life creature being held at bay. Luna's sigils lift off her peytral and drift forwards, lighting up in turn and then firing, their coloured beams merging just ahead of her and the resulting white beam lancing forward!

The Anti-Life creature doesn't move as the beam reaches it.

"Life = Pain."

It's corny, but… Ah, who am I kidding?

"Friendship = Magic." / "Friendship = Magic!"

The beam hits and the Anti-Life creature melts and burns while its five helpers become translucent, spreading out as the stolen thoughts and memories that make them up return to their owners. And with them gone, Luna and I are left alone in the void.
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I'd say we've established that F does indeed = M. It's not that F ≠ M, it's that M doesn't always = F.
 
Hey Zoat is there a limit to how many people Teth and Billy can give a bit of their divine power to?

Was reading this fic on SB called 'But Doctor I am Pagliacci', and in it Circe manages to do some kind of spell that gives I think 27 people Teth's powers, aside from Amon, Khalid and a third minor character, all three who probably got most of it.

In it Amon could partially transform his features into that of an animal and Khalid became a powerful sorcerer, like the post flashpoint comics where he became Dr. Fate.

If a person is given the powers by Teth or Billy would they be able to have ones that Teth or Billy lack, like Amon being able to shapeshift.

Hey an interesting idea, in this fic Circe called the Sons of Adom, a n52 group that brought Teth back to life and is the one that was powered in this fic, her and Adoms sons.
She honestly seemed to be dating him and he even made her a goddess among his men because she helped them, though yeah it was a show of thanks for her help.
Interestingly in this fic Sivana also considers religion and prayer to the gods to be something of a business like you do, even calling it a transaction:D

Renegade Circe helping renegade Teth with his country by giving him powerful warriors could be a good anniversary gift if they marry in the future.
 
Mr Zoat said:
caviller
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cavalier ("caviller" is very much the opposite of what you meant)

Etymological trivia: "cavalier" means "knightly." (Compare French "chevalier.") It has its modern use because knights could do whatever they pleased, and who would do anything about it?

Handlewithcare said:
what's a term for following a path consequently to the end? Resolution
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The word you're looking for is resolve or resoluteness. "Resolution" is technically the same but it's got a different meaning in daily use. "Determined" or "persistent" are probably closer to what you want, though.

RichardWhereat said:
I know I'm never getting a security clearance. Never.
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I mean, you're not even an American citizen. You never had a chance!

Finagle007 said:
I'd say we've established that F does indeed = M. It's not that F ≠ M, it's that M doesn't always = F.
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We had this discussion a few pages ago. = is a symmetric relationship, so a = b must also mean b = a. The symbol you're looking for is either ⊂ ("is contained within") or → ("implies").
 
It wasn't just a few minutes. It was enough time to go from the middle of the night to, well, daylight. The sun was up when Starlight, Trixie, Discord, and Thorax went to confront Chrysalis.

Though apparently Chrysalis was able to kick Celestia's and Luna's asses just by using her drones. Which is a pretty poor showing for the Alicorns.

Anyways . . . Changeling decapitation strike took out the Mane 6, Celestia, Luna, and Cadance.



And it's a setting with a bunch of ridiculous magic. It doesn't really matter if it's illogical for the world not to be destroyed after years of Nightmare Moon's reign. The show still explicitly showed us the world wouldn't be destroyed. That's canon.

Clearly some magic bullshit exists to get around what would have happened in our reality.
 
ForeverShogo said:
It wasn't just a few minutes. It was enough time to go from the middle of the night to, well, daylight. The sun was up when Starlight, Trixie, Discord, and Thorax went to confront Chrysalis.
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On the other hand, when the plunderseed vines captured the two of them, the sun and moon cycle stopped, which strongly implies that their absence does matter.

Seems more reasonable to assume that the changelings had a work-around for this (e.g., ongoing theft of their magic to keep things going, hallucinations to make the alicorns think everything was fine, etc.), since it's an outlier.

ForeverShogo said:
Though apparently Chrysalis was able to kick Celestia's and Luna's asses just by using her drones. Which is a pretty poor showing for the Alicorns.
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My head-canon is that Celestia and Luna were constantly taking dives, because they were trying to give Twilight a chance to get experience in semi-controlled conditions, in hopes of getting her to the point where they could leave her in charge.

ForeverShogo said:
And it's a setting with a bunch of ridiculous magic. It doesn't really matter if it's illogical for the world not to be destroyed after years of Nightmare Moon's reign. The show still explicitly showed us the world wouldn't be destroyed. That's canon.
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It's canon only if you treat it as an incontrovertible fact that Starlight's spell was actually changing the past, which seems dubious to me.

If you assume that her spell was just showing them simulations of what-might-have-beens, that both gives the spell a more reasonable scope and explains away any inconsistencies (since we don't know the limitations on where it's getting its information).
 
I will say, one thing I really like about Graven is the songs he sings. OL Paul needs to sing more. He has not had a good song in years.
 
What is that 'Dumb ways to die' a reference to?
That one scene in Hellsing Abridged Alexander mentions?
 
Equestrian Guise (part 17)
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    • Canterlot
    Afternoon

    I throw the doors open wide when we reach the Drawing Room and get a clear view of the ponies gathered inside. Twilight is pacing nervously just outside of Sunset's arcane inscriptions while Sunset calmly does a last minute check. The rest of the Bearerherd and Cadance stand off to the side, presumably having decided to stick around after Sunset's tests. An-.

    Huh.

    An alicorn I don't recognise stands a little closer, watching Sunset with…

    "Circe?"

    She turns my way. "Grayven. You didn't tell me that this was happening today."

    "Fifteen to one time ratio." Green pelt, pink-purple mane and tail and staff whose head is glowing with arcane power as a cutie mark. No, hang on: there's a broken and rusted sword underneath it. "And the timing is Sunset's decision. How did you-?"

    "Jean anticipated your order."

    "Ah." I nod. Hadn't realised that she was awake. I suppose that one of the g-gnomes probably notified her.

    Sunset glances towards the door as Celestia and Luna come inside, Celestia hanging back slightly while Luna trots up alongside me.

    "Grayven, will you introduce us?"

    "Princess Luna, this is Circe." I frown slightly. "Do you bother with titles?"

    Circe sighs. "With an introduction like that I can hardly do so now." She smiles at Luna. "A pleasure to meet you, Luna."

    "And what is thine involvement in this affair?"

    "Sunset and I are 'study buddies'." Circe twists her head towards Sunset. "Isn't that right, Sun-"

    Finishing her last check, Sunset makes momentary eye contact with Celestia and then prances over to nuzzle Circe.

    "-set." Circe hesitates for a moment, then cranes her neck down and attempts to reciprocate the gesture. "Are you prepared?"

    Sunset pulls back slightly. "As much as I can be. I've confirmed my hypothesis as much as I can without experimental data. The only thing I can do now is cast the spell."

    "I meant: are you ready?"

    "I…" She sounds uncertain, her head dropping slightly and her eyes roaming around the room. Then she sees Celestia and her expression hardens. "I'm as ready as I'm going to get. Anything else is just cowardice."

    "Good." Circe kisses the top of her head and then steps back. "But just in case anything goes wrong, I'll be here and so will Grayven."

    I nod. "Pretty much anything short of you being plastered all over the walls, I'll be able to fix."

    "Thanks, Grayven, that's exactly the mental image I needed."

    "Yes, me sticking you back together. So don't worry."

    She shakes her head and walks back to her diagram.

    "Just get out of the way."

    I consider prodding her to say something to Celestia, but… No. Instead, I walk around the side of the diagram and and pull up next to Pinkie Pie.

    "How's the family?"

    "Bigger! The other mes weren't the only ponies in the Mirror Pool."

    "Oh? Who else?"

    "Granny Pie! Which I shoulda realised because she couldn't have known how it worked without using it at least once!" Makes sense, I suppose. Pinkie grins. "Granny Pie died five years ago! Mom was so happy to see her that she screamed and fainted!"

    I regard her fondly for a moment. "Ah, Pinkie. Never change."

    "Hey, how'd you know I wasn't one of the other mes?"

    "I guessed that the others are being held somewhere pending being rehoused, so the only other you you could be is Party Popper. And I know you're not her."

    "Oh. How?"

    "I've.. sort of.. marked her. It will take a while to wear off."

    Pinkie looks a little uncomfortable. "And you didn't let her have a shower afterwards? That's kind of… Icky, don't you think? I mean, I guess what two consenting adults do in private is their own business, but you've both been walking all over Canterlot and I'm not-."

    "Not… That… Not 'marked' like I-. Ew!"

    "So how did you 'mark' her, exactly?" She shakes her head. "Because all the ideas I'm coming up with-."

    "If I could have everypony's attention!"

    Sunset's standing in the middle of the arcane diagram, which is glowing in the same colour as her horn's aura. Celestia stops lurking in the doorway, but is still standing back from the rest of the audience.

    "My name is Sunset Shimmer and today is the day I finally become an alicorn. As I'm sure you know, an alicorn is a type of pony who possesses the magic of all three tribes, which combine to make them even more powerful than any normal pony."

    Twilight shakes her head. "I didn't get that much of a power boost."

    Sunset gives her a mild glare. "Maybe if you used your non-unicorn magics a little, you'd have noticed it a little more."

    Twilight opens her mouth, but Applejack looks at her with raised eyebrows and Rainbow Dash just nods. Twilight slumps slightly.

    "So as I was saying, becoming an alicorn requires the magic of all three tribes. So far, that's happened using a powerful magic discharge from ponies of all three tribes perfectly aligning with the recipient's special talent or a spell which called upon the magic of all tribes through ponies with whom the recipient had a strong emotional bond. I will be using a third technique, a more controlled version of the method Cadenza lucked into. This network will draw on the platonic ideal forms of the magics of all three tribes via the magic networks covering Equestria… Harmony, if you like. I will use this to alter my own metaphysique into that of an alicorn. From the outside, all you should see is a quick flash of light. From inside… I don't know. I think Twilight's visit to an 'astral plane' was a byproduct of the inefficiency of the spell she used, but…"

    She shakes her head.

    "The whole thing should only take a few seconds, so here goes!"

    Sunset's horn glows brilliantly, the strength of the glow mirrored by her diagram. I glance around the circle and both Circe and Celestia have their horns low level glowing. Not sure what Celestia's planning; there's no way she understands the process.

    "First stage is fine, now I unbind my magics to enable the change. That should happen fairly auto-."

    The centre of the diagram flashes, though not brightly enough to interfere with my vision. Sunset isn't there.. any longer. Or rather, her outline is gone. I'm.. slightly concerned-.

    Then the light vanishes, the glow of the diagram drops off and oh goodness me.

    Sunset takes a breath, then looks around the room. Then she flares her new wings and looks down at herself, then left and right at herself.

    Then she looks at Celestia and grins.

    "Yes! Tallest alicorn!"
     
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