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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Queshire said:
On the matter of souls, honestly it could be argued that the soul acts as another source of hardware running the software that is the self. That'd be consistent with how Nabu was described and if reincarnation was basically a factory reset then it'd explain why most people lose their memories between incarnation. Also considering he spent a few months soulless upon arrival I rather doubt that OL would view the soul as the be-all, end-all of the self.
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Worth pointing out that while he didn't need a soul to not be an abomination when he was made out of Earth prime material, that could just be because souls are different there, and recreating his body would both potentially require material actually from Earth Prime, and some way to recreate whatever replaces a soul there. Whether that is an actual soul/spirit - In which case the DC soul is just another body it is located inside of, inside of a physical body, or something else, such as needing some sort of specific material only available on Earth Prime, recreating his body as it was when he first arrived might not be possible.
 
Mquz said:
Worth pointing out that while he didn't need a soul to not be an abomination when he was made out of Earth prime material, that could just be because souls are different there, and recreating his body would both potentially require material actually from Earth Prime, and some way to recreate whatever replaces a soul there. Whether that is an actual soul/spirit - In which case the DC soul is just another body it is located inside of, inside of a physical body, or something else, such as needing some sort of specific material only available on Earth Prime, recreating his body as it was when he first arrived might not be possible.
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Yeah, that's 100% presumption right there.
 
Queshire said:
Yeah, that's 100% presumption right there.
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Yeah, probably. Only evidence is that something has to be different with Earth Prime people if they can function as people without souls, while DC people can't. My guesses are either a "soul mind" or something physically different. Only real point is: no guarantee copying even his old self before he had a soul using DC material would work properly.
 
Handlewithcare said:
Hm. So the orange light is connected to the mutant gnome transformations? Greed magic maybe?
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In the comic, the dragon had a miasma of sin around her, turning wherever she went into something out of Lord of the Flies.

For example, a man grabbed a tire iron to beat his neighbor to death for eyeing his wife.

One would imagine it takes what is already there and brings it to the fore.

Anger turns into homicidal rage. Desire turns into "I want it RIGHT NOW!" etc, etc.
 
Mquz said:
Impossible - he'd Need to split his soul for this to work, otherwise it would just make a clone that isn't him that he doesn't control. He did download into a robot body when the angels were going after him, but that was still just moving his soul from point a to point b. That kind of thing only works if there is contact between 2 brains, and they are designed to work together in a hive mind. M'gann could maybe do it with shapeshifting + some sort of soul split magic, since she could split + grow her brains into more copies with the soul maybe still attached, OL could not. Still wondering if current OL, what with the soul not being originally his, is still the OL that came to this universe, or a brain upload clone that was hiding inside him, and he died when his body was destroyed.
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Nonsense. There was no soul transfer needed to make Red Arrow, this isn't about having another body to control (how would that even work), its about having other me's around to maximize opportunities and better multi task to achieve multiple goals.
 
Chaoswind said:
Nonsense. There was no soul transfer needed to make Red Arrow, this isn't about having another body to control (how would that even work), its about having other me's around to maximize opportunities and better multi task to achieve multiple goals.
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Hm... maybe. I forgot about that. So does that mean that science can create souls through cloning? Not actually that surprised.
 
I'm pretty sure it would have come up by now if Superboy was soulless.
 
Stsword said:
In the comic, the dragon had a miasma of sin around her, turning wherever she went into something out of Lord of the Flies.

For example, a man grabbed a tire iron to beat his neighbor to death for eyeing his wife.

One would imagine it takes what is already there and brings it to the fore.

Anger turns into homicidal rage. Desire turns into "I want it RIGHT NOW!" etc, etc.
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Which comic are these bit from?
 
Mquz said:
Only evidence is that something has to be different with Earth Prime people if they can function as people without souls, while DC people can't.
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... except sometimes they can.

There was a Green Arrow storyline in which the Parallax-bonded Hal Jordan resurrected Oliver Queen, only to have it later discovered that Oliver Queen's soul was quite happy in the afterlife, so Jordan had just resurrected his body with his memories but no soul, which left him vulnerable to possession. (In this storyline, "people walking around without a soul" was sufficiently a known thing as to have a name--hollows--in magical circles.)

There was also a Teen Titans storyline in which Superboy is questioning whether he has a soul, which ends with Raven telling him that he has a young and new soul that she was only able to see after he broke free of Luthor's programming.
 
Valint said:
... except sometimes they can.

There was a Green Arrow storyline in which the Parallax-bonded Hal Jordan resurrected Oliver Queen, only to have it later discovered that Oliver Queen's soul was quite happy in the afterlife, so Jordan had just resurrected his body with his memories but no soul, which left him vulnerable to possession. (In this storyline, "people walking around without a soul" was sufficiently a known thing as to have a name--hollows--in magical circles.)

There was also a Teen Titans storyline in which Superboy is questioning whether he has a soul, which ends with Raven telling him that he has a young and new soul that she was only able to see after he broke free of Luthor's programming.
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Yes, Zoat made up the factoids that DC people need souls- Stalker and Sebastian Faust say hi.

And that one needs a soul to do magic, because again Stalker and Sebastian Faust say hi.

And that Earth Prime doesn't have magic, because White Witch says hi.

And since people from Earth Prime not having souls is the explanation for magic not working in Earth Prime, when in fact it works just fine according to DC comics, there's no reason to believe that souls on Earth Prime are any different than any other reality.

Of course, as I've pointed out before, the "People on Earth Prime don't have souls" is an in character theory that has no basis for being taken for fact. After all, Paul/Gravy are basing that solely on the fact that they don't have souls. Especially since I like to point out that there's no evidence that Paul/Gravy are from Earth Prime. There's only one Earth Prime, yet there are a whole lot of Pauls and Gravies that think they are from Earth Prime. At least all of them minus one would be wrong, which leaves the possibility that all of them are in fact wrong.

bobsimmo said:
this story is wierd. its not technicaly in continuity but it counts enough for it to count as her death for the Blackest Night twist.
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Really? That's odd. Neron killed her and she became the goddess of truth post mortem in the nineties. That's when she became bullet proof. Zeus took away her godly mojo but let her keep the Olympian bullet proof invulnerability over her original Amazon vulnerable to bullets resistance to injury.
 
Mquz said:
Could be black with white spots? An anti-Dalmatian. Or another type of dog with spots. Or it's name could refer to something else.
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His name translated from the Greek means "Spotted.".

I asked because of this Important Image.
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Stsword said:
There's only one Earth Prime, yet there are a whole lot of Pauls and Gravies that think they are from Earth Prime. At least all of them minus one would be wrong, which leaves the possibility that all of them are in fact wrong.
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It's possible they are all shenanigan-clones of an original from Earth Prime which could for some definitions mean they are validly 'from' Earth Prime and also explain why they don't have souls (initially) without meaning everyone else on Earth Prime is soulless.

(A shenanigan-clone is a superset of time clone, where some shenanigan causes two or more whole copies of a person including memories, grown to the same degree, often with no easy way to define who is original vs copy. Per this definition, inserting someone's DNA into an egg cell and maturing them to adulthood either over the normal course of time or an accelerated fashion is not a shenanigan-clone regardless of any shenanigans involved.)
 
Phrexia Unbound said:
His name translated from the Greek means "Spotted.".

I asked because of this Important Image.
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I know this. I'm trying to think of a way to interpret "Spotted" as something edgy / fitting the mythology. Might work if the only spotted dog was one with a birthmark. Were Dalmatians a thing in Greece?
 
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