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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Now Zoat, I've been a loyal reader for years now, and I have at last a solid suggestion to make.

Put OL into the following universe!



OL always seemed like a more thoughtful and artistic soul to me, so maybe he can be put in this universe:



He would be a great help to Hatred in getting rid of his pedophile desires.

Yes Hunter may try to stop him from advancing the world, but if OL offers to change him into a woman then I think he'd be okay.

And he can find out if Dr Missus The Monarch is really a woman with a very deep voice, or a guy that had a sex change.

Now the question is, who he would romance, The Alchemist or Shore Leave.
 
Otherworld (part 4)
29th April
10:17 GMT -5


"Aw man." Wallace grouches as he slumps in his chair. "Couldn't they do this over summer vacation?"

Richard shakes his head. "We don't know when the Sheeda are going to arrive. This… Can't wait."

"Yeah, I.. know." Wallace sighs. "I'm just bummed out that I'm missing going to an alien planet."

Canis shakes his head. "Most worlds are less interesting than you might think. If it truly vexes you, I can just open a boom tube to somewhere for you?"

Wallace perks up. "Really? Thanks, dude."

Artemis's eyes narrow. "Wait. What's the catch?"

"There is no catch." Canis shrugs in disinterest, then hesitates. "Though perhaps I should warn you that most of the worlds I visited… Do not remember New Gods kindly. And of course you would not be able to speak with anyone."

"I'm not a New God."

"If you were to enter by boom tube while wearing that costume and moving as you do, the locals may simply assume." He shrugs. "I would remonstrate with them for the insult, but the notion that you could be-" He chuckles. "-one of us is so ridiculous to anyone who knows anything of the New Gods that it hardly seems worth it. Slaying an imbecile is hardly gratifying."

"I.. think.. perhaps…" Angelika clenches her right fist nervously. "Imbeciles have something to offer?"

Raquel puts her right hand on Angelika's left shoulder. "No, no. Like this. Canis?"

"Yes?"

"Shut the hell up."

At the head of the room, Kaldur takes a breath, readying himself to restore order. But Canis doesn't seem particularly perturbed.

"Not unless she asks. I want to see the moment when she puts her new understanding of her nature into practice."

Angelika takes a deep breath and draws herself up slightly. "Canis, shut the hell up."

He smiles, gives her a mock bow from his seat and then settles back, pulling out a tablet upon which he begins outlining a new artwork of some kind.

Kaldur nods his head slightly. "To return us to the question at hand; Batman has requested that anyone who wishes to accompany the League's mission to the parallel universe should make themselves known. Those members of the team who are attending school are obviously ineligible."

Which… Actually isn't the majority of our team any more. We've gone from being a sidekick team to a mixed-age training team. Or… Given that I was going to be offered a Justice League place prior to killing Nabu, a mixed age Justice League affiliated team that happens to include some trainees.

"I'll be putting my name forward, though given why the witch-hunters left Batman might decide to turn me down."

Zatanna nods. "I'm going to volunteer. I want to see what a society shaped by magic.. that isn't Atlantis, looks like."

Richard looks sceptical. "Is your father going to be okay with that?"

She shrugs. "I'll convince him."

Angelika shakes her head. "I do not think I have much to offer this mission. And I do not think that I should represent this Earth to parallel universes."

Lantern Rrab makes a gesture of equivocation. "Whether or not I go will be up to Lantern Jordan."

Ghia'ta nods. "I am in the same position, and.. I.. doubt that Carol will be invited on the League mission."

Amon shakes his head. "Neither my brother-in-law or my sister will allow me to miss so many lessons with my tutors. Unless there is some special need for me, I should say no."

Noriel thinks, then shakes her head. "Zauriel is serving as my shepherd, and I do not think that he will be pleased with me travelling to a world where they make such common use of unclean magics."

Leonid nods. "Russia needs this information. My choice is simple."

Canis smiles at Angelika, then rapidly signs his response.

My presence has been requested, since my Aunt and Uncle have prior commitments. My Mother Box will be our primary route of egress should the Savannahs betray us.

Roy appears to understand Canis's response, and then nods his own. "I'm in."

Garth frowns thoughtfully. "Which of the League's magicians are going?"

Kaldur shakes his head. "Batman has not informed me. I imagine that they are still determining their team's composition now. But putting your name forward does not mean that you will go, just that you are willing to go if you are asked."

He nods, then he and Tula make eye contract for a moment before nodding.

"Then we volunteer."

I suppose that with them being soldiers they don't have the same degree of freedom to choose that us unpaid volunteers have. And that just leaves Kaldur himself.

"I will also be volunteering, though given the content of the mission brief I do not expect to be selected. I will inform Batman of your decisions at the end of this meeting."

Kon folds his arms across his chest. "So what are the rest of us doing?"

"We will participate in planning for the mission, but while it is ongoing those who remain will more frequently be called upon to act as support for the Justice League."

Wallace smiles. "Think I can live with that. Oh, hey." He turns to me. "See if you can pick me up some alchemy textbooks while you're over there."

"Will do. I'll be trying to get hold of examples of their arcane machinery as well as their Sheeda-derived stuff."

Richard smiles. "Klepto-Lantern strikes again."

"Wouldn't that imply that I just steal lanterns?"

"Kleptomaniacs don't just steal maniacs, Oh El."

"Fair point. And no, I'm going to trade for them. As far as I could tell from their last visit they don't have much of an understanding of magic theory."

Kaldur regards me levelly. "This will be a Justice League mission. If you are invited, you should not make any trades that you have not cleared with the mission leader."

I raise my hands. "I know. I'm not going to deliberately undermine anyone, though I won't promise that I won't make a few deals on the side."

Noriel scowls. "If you raise the dead then I will burn them."

"I'm not going to raise the dead-" A few eyebrows are raised. "-using witch-sign, because that only works on people with Sheeda blood and because I'm only interested in true resurrection which the people of witch-world don't try for theological reasons."

Zatanna pats me on my right arm. "And because you can't use normal magic anyway."

I hold up my right hand and make a construct in the shape of the grundymen command sigil which the witch-hunters used.

"Yeah, that too." I look at Kaldur. "Shall I do a full briefing on our previous encounters with them?"
 
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And he can find out if Dr Missus The Monarch is really a woman with a very deep voice, or a guy that had a sex change.
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So... why can't OL use magic? His ring should make short work of rituals or runic circles and the like.
As repeatedly stated, his soul is too different from a normal human's to use any of the available traditions of magic. Presumably, he can still learn to cast magic in a way that would be exclusive to him, but it is too difficult to invent a spellcasting tradition from scratch.
 
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As repeatedly stated, his soul is too different from a normal human's to use any of the available traditions of magic usage. Presumably, he can still learn to cast magic in a way that would be exclusive to him, but it is too difficult to invent a spellcasting tradition from scratch.
Didn't he use some Avarice magic on Nyx in the Underworld to restore her good looks? He's invented a few tricks in his own "magic tradition", but nothing serious iirc. I don't think it's any more different than Atlantean Magic vs Martian Magic, for example.
 
Didn't he use some Avarice magic on Nyx in the Underworld to restore her good looks? He's invented a few tricks in his own "magic tradition", but nothing serious iirc. I don't think it's any more different than Atlantean Magic vs Martian Magic, for example.

I think that was more advanced ring use rather than magic.
 
Ah, that team interaction was enjoyable. It's been so long since we saw them together. I laughed at the klepto lantern comment. That's got to be foreshadowing. Any guesses what OL might acquire?
 
Yes Hunter may try to stop him from advancing the world, but if OL offers to change him into a woman then I think he'd be okay.
Yeah, finding out that the OSI is apparently WHY so many super scientists haven't "changed the world" with their discoveries was certainly an eye-opener for me when I found out, though in retrospect it probably shouldn't have surprised me.

Given how much of a stickler Hunter is though, he'd likely refuse the offer point blank, calling it a "F@#$ing Faustian Bargain", and then try to shoot OL for the perceived insult.

PAUL: ....You know I'm basically bulletproof, right?

HUNTER: Of course I did, you SMUG limey bastard! I just wanted to see HOW bulletproof you are! And I needed to blow off some f@#$ing steam cause you pissed me off!
 
Didn't he use some Avarice magic on Nyx in the Underworld to restore her good looks? He's invented a few tricks in his own "magic tradition", but nothing serious iirc. I don't think it's any more different than Atlantean Magic vs Martian Magic, for example.
I think that was more advanced ring use rather than magic.
I think the two kind of blur at high enough levels, anyways. Either way, if Paragon is going to gain magic, it probably won't be by creating a custom magic tradition with theory, but more like learning to interact with magic using his rings, as he is doing right now. (like that "eat magic" trick)
 
"F@#$ing Faustian Bargain"

HUNTER: You're trying to get me to sell my soul and telling me your price is cheap!

I think the two kind of blur at high enough levels, anyways. Either way, if Paragon is going to gain magic, it probably won't be by creating a custom magic tradition with theory, but more like learning to interact with magic using his rings, as he is doing right now. (like that "eat magic" trick)

Along with that bit of plant control he can do, as well as that rune thing he set up to drain the Star Conquerors magic.
 
29th April
10:17 GMT -5


"Aw man." Wallace grouches as he slumps in his chair. "Couldn't they do this over summer vacation?"

Richard shakes his head. "We don't know when the Sheeda are going to arrive. This… Can't wait."
Yeah, it's not like the future Elf-adjacent psychotic raiders will bother to make an appointment for their next trip down-time.

"Yeah, I.. know." Wallace sighs. "I'm just bummed out that I'm missing going to an alien planet."

Canis shakes his head. "Most worlds are less interesting than you might think. If it truly vexes you, I can just open a boom tube to somewhere for you?"
First question: Will it be a planet Wally can survive on? Conditions close to Earth's own and all that, no exotic atmospheric elements?

Wallace perks up. "Really? Thanks, dude."

Artemis's eyes narrow. "Wait. What's the catch?"
I know they say 'don't look the gift horse in the mouth', but when it's someone like Canis offering, always check the fine print, so to speak.

"There is no catch." Canis shrugs in disinterest, then hesitates. "Though perhaps I should warn you that most of the worlds I visited… Do not remember New Gods kindly. And of course you would not be able to speak with anyone."

"I'm not a New God."
Would the locals be able to tell that at first sight? Apokaliptians are basically close to human, with few exceptions..

"If you were to enter by boom tube while wearing that costume and moving as you do, the locals may simply assume." He shrugs. "I would remonstrate with them for the insult, but the notion that you could be-" He chuckles. "-one of us is so ridiculous to anyone who knows anything of the New Gods that it hardly seems worth it. Slaying an imbecile is hardly gratifying."

"I.. think.. perhaps…" Angelika clenches her right fist nervously. "Imbeciles have something to offer?"
No, no, girl, more forceful! You disgrace the Tsundere way!

Raquel puts her right hand on Angelika's left should. "No, no. Like this. Canis?"

"Yes?"

"Shut the hell up."
Almost, but not quite. Maybe try throwing something at him?

At the head of the room, Kaldur takes a breath, readying himself to restore order. But Canis doesn't seem particularly perturbed.

"Not unless she asks. I want to see the moment when she puts her new understanding of her nature into practice."
Her nature... As a former or lapsed National Socialist? Canis is weird sometimes.

Angelika takes a deep breath and draws herself up slightly. "Canis, shut the hell up."

He smiles, gives her a mock bow from his seat and then settles back, pulling out a tablet upon which he begins outlining a new artwork of some kind.
Ah, young... No, not love. I doubt Canis can feel that... Amused respect?

Kaldur nods his head slightly. "To return us to the question at hand; Batman has requested that anyone who wishes to accompany the League's mission to the parallel universe should make themselves known. Those members of the team who are attending school are obviously ineligible."

Which… Actually isn't the majority of our team any more. We've gone from being a sidekick team to a mixed-age training team. Or… Given that I was going to be offered a Justice League place prior to killing Nabu, a mixed age Justice League affiliated team that happens to include some trainees.
Quite the development. You should be proud of the changes you've wrought. Even if you don't know you have.

"I'll be putting my name forward, though given why the witch-hunters left Batman might decide to turn me down."

Zatanna nods. "I'm going to volunteer. I want to see what a society shaped by magic.. that isn't Atlantis, looks like."
So she's fine with potentially missing several months of school if the portal shuts on them?

Richard looks sceptical. "Is your father going to be okay with that?"

She shrugs. "I'll convince him."
Yeah, good luck with that. There's nothing more rigid than an overprotective father.

Angelika shakes her head. "I do not think I have much to offer this mission. And I do not think that I should represent this Earth to parallel universes."

Lantern Rrab makes a gesture of equivocation. "Whether or not I go will be up to Lantern Jordan."
Also, I don't think the Guardians will approve a mission with the possibility of taking her away from her sector for some time...

Ghia'ta nods. "I am in the same position, and.. I.. doubt that Carol will be invited on the League mission."

Amon shakes his head. "Neither my brother-in-law or my sister will allow me to miss so many lessons with my tutors. Unless there is some special need for me, I should say no."
Sensible lad. Wisdom of Zehuti not needed there.

Noriel thinks, then shakes her head. "Zauriel is serving as my shepherd, and I do not think that he will be pleased with me travelling to a world where they make such common use of unclean magics."

Leonid nods. "Russia needs this information. My choice is simple."
Understandable. They basically are satanists. and Leonid's choice is probably orders from home.

Canis smiles at Angelika, then rapidly signs his response.

My presence has been requested, since my Aunt and Uncle have prior commitments. My Mother Box will be our primary route of egress should the Savannahs betray us.
Could a Boom Tube actually cross that dimensional gap, especially if they have full sensor readings and coordinates? I suppose it's a good idea.

Roy appears to understand Canis's response, and then nods his own. "I'm in."

Garth frowns thoughtfully. "Which of the League's magicians are going?"
Hoping to not have to serve with the hot chick, Garth?

Kaldur shakes his head. "Batman has not informed me. I imagine that they are still determining their team's composition now. But putting your name forward does not mean that you will go, just that you are willing to go if you are asked."

He nods, then he and Tula make eye contract for a moment before nodding.

"Then we volunteer."
Hopefully together, what with the risk of a long-term stay. with any luck, the local water doesn't have a bad effect on them.

I suppose that with them being soldiers they don't have the same degree of freedom to chose that us unpaid volunteers have. And that just leaves Kaldur himself.

"I will also be volunteering, though given the content of the mission brief I do not expect to be selected. I will inform Batman of your decisions at the end of this meeting."
Very sensible. If something goes wrong, they'll need him here to assist the league in coordinating a rescue mission, if need be.

Kon folds his arms across his chest. "So what are the rest of us doing?"

"We will participate in planning for the mission, but while it is ongoing those who remain will more frequently be called upon to act as support for the Justice League."
What with up to half the team away, of course the rest will take up the slack.

Wallace smiles. "Think I can live with that. Oh, hey." He turns to me. "See if you can pick me up some alchemy textbooks while you're over there."

"Will do. I'll be trying to get hold of examples of their arcane machinery as well as their Sheeda-derived stuff."
A good idea, honestly. Even if it proves harder to use on Earth proper, just the knowledge and study of it can be useful. Who knows, they might even discover Magni's little passenger (which Renegade did, but Paragon has not.)

Richard smiles. "Klepto-Lantern strikes again."

"Wouldn't that imply that I just steal lanterns?"

"Kleptomaniacs don't just steal maniacs, Oh El."
Huh, Robin actually using a word right? Kind of. I notice he hasn't been pulling that gag very often.

"Fair point. And no, I'm going to trade for them. As far as I could tell from their last visit they don't have much of an understanding of magic theory."

Kaldur regards me levelly. "This will be a Justice League mission. If you are invited, you should not make any trades that you have not cleared with the mission leader."
Yeah, don't piss off the hosts because someone you trade with decides you short-changed him...

I raise my hands. "I know. I'm not going to deliberately undermine anyone, though I won't promise that I won't make a few deals on the side."

Noriel scowls. "If you raise the dead then I will burn them."
A literal obligation in this case, eh?

"I'm not going to raise the dead-" A few eyebrows are raised. "-using witch-sign, because that only works on people with Sheeda blood and because I'm only interested in true resurrection which the people of witch-world don't try for theological reasons."

Zatanna pats me on my right arm. "And because you can't use normal magic anyway."
Maybe when he has a few free years, somewhere down the line, he can create a branch of Orange-light magic he can use...

I hold up my right hand and make a construct in the shape of the grundymen command sigil which the witch-hunters used.

"Yeah, that too." I look at Kaldur. "Shall I do a full briefing on our previous encounters with them?"
Well, the interesting part of the meetings over.

Ah, the preparations montage begins. Wonder what the final squad composition will be. Bets on who's actually going, folks? And bets on what will go wrong, because we all know something will...
 
should the Savannahs betray

And what's the ASL sign for 'Sivana'?

Three options exist: Fingerspelling if brevity isn't an issue. Sieve-(A+N)-(spin the A+N handshapes around in place to indicate "more of that"); puns, including puns that only properly make sense if you know how the words sound, are common in ASL, especially for proper nouns. Lastly,a name-sign, which traditionally may only be given by a deaf person. I'd ad-hoc the name sign "Sivana" as the right hand signing Crazy with an S handshape, and the left hand doing Scientist.
 
Yeah, it's not like the future Elf-adjacent psychotic raiders will bother to make an appointment for their next trip down-time.

I get the feeling that something like this can show up in a Terry Pratchett book.

That being elves that schedule raids on their future victims.

No, no, girl, more forceful! You disgrace the Tsundere way!

Almost, but not quite. Maybe try throwing something at him?

Give her time, she's still learning.

Her nature... As a former or lapsed National Socialist? Canis is weird sometimes.

New Gods seem to care greatly about their natures.

So she's fine with potentially missing several months of school if the portal shuts on them?

Like Ngamer11 said, she had Genomorphs download her entire curriculum in her head.

Understandable. They basically are satanists

No they're necromancers, who use such magics on a regular basis with the Grundymen.

Angels apparently don't like necromancers all that much.

Could a Boom Tube actually cross that dimensional gap, especially if they have full sensor readings and coordinates? I suppose it's a good idea.

Renegades MotherBox managed to open a Boom tube from Equestria to Earth, so it's possible that other Boxes can also do it.

Though renegades Boxes both belonged to brilliant scientists so they may have some more advanced features that an ordinary Box may lack.

A good idea, honestly. Even if it proves harder to use on Earth proper, just the knowledge and study of it can be useful. Who knows, they might even discover Magni's little passenger (which Renegade did, but Paragon has not.)

Paragon Magni actually killed that cloud thing when OL went to Venus and seeing as his family has been prepping to fight the Sheeda it is highly likely that they detected something else, like those neck things, and got rid of it.

Huh, Robin actually using a word right? Kind of. I notice he hasn't been pulling that gag very often.

We haven't been seeing much of him to be honest.

Ah, the preparations montage begins.

 
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As repeatedly stated, his soul is too different from a normal human's to use any of the available traditions of magic usage. Presumably, he can still learn to cast magic in a way that would be exclusive to him, but it is too difficult to invent a spellcasting tradition from scratch.
Actually, come to think of it, he has a FAR more concerning problem: lacking a spellcasting cultural tradition appropriate to his soul structure means he doesn't know what NOT to do. We've already seen multiple examples of people unknowingly invoking magic, with things like alchemy, and Paul's unusual soul structure means that even things that have always been safe for other people might invoke DUCK OF DOOM summoning when he does it.
 
"And will your 'contacts' wish to accompany us? Or share our discoveries with them?"
The subject here disagrees any way I can try it. "Will your contacts share our discoveries with them?" "Will your contacts wish to share our discoveries with them?"

If I'm understanding the meaning correctly, you might try something like

"And will your 'contacts' wish to accompany us? Or that we share our discoveries with them?"

or like

"And will your 'contacts' wish to accompany us? Or share in our discoveries(--)?"

I tried to come up with an alternative using "...wish us to...", so as to be able to use the second sentence unaltered. But I couldn't see any way to do it that way without substantial reconstruction.


Which of course brings me to the other possibility: it could be a perfectly ordinary "mistake" of speech, accurately recorded as it was spoken. Quite plausible given the need to jam those two idioms together and the likelihood of being understood regardless.
 
Isn't OL's 'all things strive' move orange light magic?

I think he's kind of side stepped his way into non-standard magic.
 
No they're necromancers, who use such magics on a regular basis with the Grundymen.

Angels apparently don't like necromancers all that much.

Pity that Zoat went the way he did there, I think the way it seems to work in the comics is more interesting in general, and for this story in specific.

In the comics, Frankenstein was revealed to be a Grundyman because he was made with a drop of Melmoth's ichor, after he replaced his blood with the water of life from a New God artifact, the cauldron of rebirth, to become immortal.

Which then would mean that is what makes the grundymen- water of life contamination.

Which means that their necromancers don't raise anyone, they simply take advantage of the undead created by burial in water of life tainted soil.

So like Pet Cemetary if a necromancer claimed that area as his territory for free minions.

So grundymen would be an alchemical transformation, yes?

It would be an alchemical formula that raises the dead which would mean that comparing it to the water of a lazarus pit might lead to breakthroughs.

It's also a chemical formula that gives superhuman strength, resistance to injury, and a healing factor like the Donner formula, which would be another formula that comparing it to could lead to breakthroughs.

Just seems like a missed opportunity, is all....
 
Pity that Zoat went the way he did there, I think the way it seems to work in the comics is more interesting in general, and for this story in specific.

In the comics, Frankenstein was revealed to be a Grundyman because he was made with a drop of Melmoth's ichor, after he replaced his blood with the water of life from a New God artifact, the cauldron of rebirth, to become immortal.

Which then would mean that is what makes the grundymen- water of life contamination.

Which means that their necromancers don't raise anyone, they simply take advantage of the undead created by burial in water of life tainted soil.

So like Pet Cemetary if a necromancer claimed that area as his territory for free minions.

So grundymen would be an alchemical transformation, yes?

It would be an alchemical formula that raises the dead which would mean that comparing it to the water of a lazarus pit might lead to breakthroughs.

It's also a chemical formula that gives superhuman strength, resistance to injury, and a healing factor like the Donner formula, which would be another formula that comparing it to could lead to breakthroughs.

Just seems like a missed opportunity, is all....

He might still do this as we haven't seen all that much of Witch World or Melmoth.

Or he may go with a different explanation because he either considers it to make more sense than what was presented in the comics.
 
I am still confused why Canis sticks with them.

Gothams newest weird superhero! The Klepto-Maniac who basically runs a private Arkham slash Museum!
 
The subject here disagrees any way I can try it. "Will your contacts share our discoveries with them?" "Will your contacts wish to share our discoveries with them?"

If I'm understanding the meaning correctly, you might try something like

"And will your 'contacts' wish to accompany us? Or that we share our discoveries with them?"

or like

"And will your 'contacts' wish to accompany us? Or share in our discoveries(--)?"

I tried to come up with an alternative using "...wish us to...", so as to be able to use the second sentence unaltered. But I couldn't see any way to do it that way without substantial reconstruction.
Thank you, corrected.
I am still confused why Canis sticks with them.
Because they're interesting, and because Barda hit him until he stopped trying to leave.
 
Mr Zoat any reason Robert didn't say a word through the entire briefing... Or maybe he isn't there ATM, like Megan.

Unless Rob is Robert and not Robin in with case we are still missing a few people like Squire, Megan and power armor young Roy (arsenal).
 
Mr Zoat any reason Robert didn't say a word through the entire briefing... Or maybe he isn't there ATM, like Megan.

Unless Rob is Robert and not Robin in with case we are still missing a few people like Squire, Megan and power armor young Roy (arsenal).

Cornwall still goes to school and Roy was there and chose to go.
 

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