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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Chojin Patriarch said:
Good grief, this guy. Why don't you go back to kicking puppies and leave the rest of us alone? No, wait, go hump rocks, see if you can make golems. Don't want puppies getting hurt.
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You may want to rethink that golem idea.

After all as SNL showed us the cycle of abuse can continue.



Seriously The Rock is one of the best hosts this show has ever had.

The nonchalant way in which he delivers his lines are some of the best things you're ever likely to see or hear.
 
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So if he tries to assimilate it disintegrates... yeah sounds really badass.
 
Mr Zoat said:
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I'm not sure if this is just a poetic indicator of Melmoth's mindset, or a more concrete indication of the possible origins of the Sheeda (which I guess we'll find out in the upcoming Renegade episode). I might reread that episode where the above spoiler first shows up.
 
DrThoth said:
I'm not sure if this is just a poetic indicator of Melmoth's mindset, or a more concrete indication of the possible origins of the Sheeda (which I guess we'll find out in the upcoming Renegade episode). I might reread that episode where the above spoiler first shows up.
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In Seven Soldiers, Melmoth was described as being 'The Scavenger King' before the time travellers arrived. He had very little, then was shown so very much.
 
Darko said:
Do you mean Element Lad's species from Legion of Superheroes?

If so then that's probably one of the most godlike species out there, given what he was able to do when he went insanе.
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Yes, and a Trommite pirate was able to take on LEGION, despite them having Mon-El and Captain Comet on the team.

It's hard to fight someone who can turn your bones into spaghetti, your blood to acid, or your skin into a prison of stone.

The pirate even did that defensively- If someone punched him, he'd transmute the fists into something soft so he was essentially being pelted with a big marshmallow.

The Trommites were too powerful to live in Legion of Superheroes, and that's a setting with at least one planet of people with Superman's powers.
 
Hey so something of a diversion here but back when paul was in... earth 12 I think, the evil justice lord one where the visited the zatara families party, there was a mention of other parts of the family having variations of the speak backwards casting right?

Some pretty strong and some weak or impractical but how canonical is that idea? Of different parts of the family having their own ways to cast? Was it completely original stuff or was it based on some relations of rhsies from the comics?
 
Darko said:
The only ones that it's turned into ordinary mortals after killing them have been arcane being like the First, and Lord of Chaos.

Angels are still able to use magic after they get turned, but only mortal magic.

The Sheeda may not be able to heal after they are stabbed by the Sword, but whether or not it makes them into ordinary mortals is unknown since they appear to be just a race that uses magic and not say a full on arcane life form.

The only thing we can do at this point is speculate.
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What happened to renegade Klarion/Mordru is the most approximate example of what would happen to Melmo, he would reincarnate as a normal human on the surface of this planet IE on the surface of a developing death world. His knowledge of magic wouldn't be entirely useless, but his oomph would be significantly lower.

However, since Paul has no sword of the fallen, the mental exercise is academic at best.
 
AngelicKnight. said:
Hey so something of a diversion here but back when paul was in... earth 12 I think, the evil justice lord one where the visited the zatara families party, there was a mention of other parts of the family having variations of the speak backwards casting right?

Some pretty strong and some weak or impractical but how canonical is that idea? Of different parts of the family having their own ways to cast? Was it completely original stuff or was it based on some relations of rhsies from the comics?
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The Zatara spellcasting is something completely different in DC canon.

In DC canon, the Zataras use logomancy, a school of magic created by Leonardo Da Vinci, who the Zataras are descendants from. It's one thing, if a logomancer is limited (For example, cousin Zachary can't affect human beings), it's an individual limit of an individual's energy and/or expertise, just like any other spellcaster.

From what Zoat has said, he's treating the Zataras as magical metahumans. Which means the Zataras who can only manage illusions, if memory serves, are that way because they inherited an inferior talent.

Which is why Paul bugs the Atlanteans for magic despite their magic being far far far less impressive than the Zatara's.
 
Stsword said:
The Zatara spellcasting is something completely different in DC canon.
In DC canon, the Zataras use logomancy, a school of magic created by Leonardo Da Vinci, who the Zataras are descendants from. It's one thing, if a logomancer is limited (For example, cousin Zachary can't affect human beings), it's an individual limit of an individual's energy and/or expertise, just like any other spellcaster.
From what Zoat has said, he's treating the Zataras as magical metahumans. Which means the Zataras who can only manage illusions, if memory serves, are that way because they inherited an inferior talent.
Which is why Paul bugs the Atlanteans for magic despite their magic being far far far less impressive than the Zatara's.
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Yup! The Zatara's magic operates like Super powers, they mostly learn how to use their innate ability but not how to do magic, how it works or or things like that.
 
Stsword said:
The Zatara spellcasting is something completely different in DC canon.

In DC canon, the Zataras use logomancy, a school of magic created by Leonardo Da Vinci, who the Zataras are descendants from. It's one thing, if a logomancer is limited (For example, cousin Zachary can't affect human beings), it's an individual limit of an individual's energy and/or expertise, just like any other spellcaster.

From what Zoat has said, he's treating the Zataras as magical metahumans. Which means the Zataras who can only manage illusions, if memory serves, are that way because they inherited an inferior talent.

Which is why Paul bugs the Atlanteans for magic despite their magic being far far far less impressive than the Zatara's.
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Cuchulin said:
Yup! The Zatara's magic operates like Super powers, they mostly learn how to use their innate ability but not how to do magic, how it works or or things like that.
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Thank you both for that, was struggling to remember and wasnt sure how close to canon the family was.

It's goodto know my memory wasnt far off, Zachery is a very good example as I could actually fine more about him online. Thanks again.
 
Cuchulin said:
Yup! The Zatara's magic operates like Super powers, they mostly learn how to use their innate ability but not how to do magic, how it works or or things like that.
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Oh and to be fair, magical metahumans are totally a thing in DC canon, the Zataras just aren't an example.

Black Alice, Misfit, Nightshade, Blue Beetle even dealt with a street gang of magical metahumans in El Paso called the Posse, and his girlfriend's aunt basically forming Auntie's School for the Magically Gifted, because the deaths of the Lords of Order and Chaos awakened a lot of dormant bloodlines.

So a lot of people whose families had effectively been muggles for untold generations just woke up one day and boom, they're strong and tough like Hercules, or they're as fast as the wind, or they can read minds or see the future, etc, etc.
 
so zoat why hasn't paul gotten more personal equipment in a long time? What with having an actual database and all? That and magic equipment. It hasn't really changed in what two seasons?

Also been rereading thanks for writing on a daily basis for so long.
 
Chaoswind said:
What happened to renegade Klarion/Mordru is the most approximate example of what would happen to Melmo, he would reincarnate as a normal human on the surface of this planet IE on the surface of a developing death world. His knowledge of magic wouldn't be entirely useless, but his oomph would be significantly lower.

However, since Paul has no sword of the fallen, the mental exercise is academic at best.
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Mordru and Klarion were also arcane beings while Melmoth may just be a powerful magic user, but not necessarily made of magic like the other two.

Still at this point were just speculating on what the Sword can do.

Stsword said:
The Zatara spellcasting is something completely different in DC canon.

In DC canon, the Zataras use logomancy, a school of magic created by Leonardo Da Vinci, who the Zataras are descendants from. It's one thing, if a logomancer is limited (For example, cousin Zachary can't affect human beings), it's an individual limit of an individual's energy and/or expertise, just like any other spellcaster.

From what Zoat has said, he's treating the Zataras as magical metahumans. Which means the Zataras who can only manage illusions, if memory serves, are that way because they inherited an inferior talent.

Which is why Paul bugs the Atlanteans for magic despite their magic being far far far less impressive than the Zatara's.
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The Zataras can do other things besides illusions in this story, they've been shown as doing them multiple times.

Paul also goes to the Atlanteans for magic advice due to the fact that they're a magically advanced civilisation.

They have hundreds of different specialists in various fields of magic, advanced knowledge of how magic works, magical equipment etc.

The Zataras may on average be more powerful casters than the Atlanteans, but that doesn't mean they are equally skilled in all fields of magic, or that they understand the theory behind magic, or that they have the magical equipment.

The Atlanteans also outnumber the Zataras.

From what Zatanna said during the - 14 episode her family may not be as into magic as their counterparts in Earth - 14.

So if Paul chose to just deal with them for his magical needs he would be able to deal with just three people, Zatanna, Giovanni, Zachary, compared to the thousands of Atlanteans.

The Zataras wouldn't have the time, knowledge or resources to deal with the various magical things OL has brought to the attention of the Atlanteans.
 
Faed Away (part 14)
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    …

    No, the logic is sound. If he got hold of a New God corpse and dosed it with Sheeda blood… Or Columbian blood, that's how grundies exist in the first place. I didn't realise it could be introduced post-mortem and it didn't occur to me to find out how long grundies had to ripen for-.

    The room above wasn't created in the day since we gained Melmoth's attention. Someone built this a while ago. And the Columbians have been under low-intensity attack by Sheeda creatures for their entire history. Melmoth's thralls could have taken the occasional citizen or their blood, without it seeming remarkable. They could have introduced blood little by little for decades. Centuries. More than enough time, I'm sure.

    Still. Undead New God isn't exactly outside of my weight class, and that's assuming-.

    I send filaments everywhere in the room except the stirring spider web cocoon.

    No, nothing here I can feel. Grundies are controlled by sigils, binding them to the caster. There's no one here to brand this one. Melmoth might be able to predict its behaviour, but unless a sophont magic user appears here he can't control it.

    A thin and pallid hand shoves itself free of the covering.

    Unbound grundies I did ask about, and Cyrus Gold's behaviour is apparently atypical. Usually they either lie in their graves or stagger towards light or magic. When confronted, they're not usually violent unless attacked, and then they usually only flail around and try to get away.

    I run a quick check on my armour and confirm that the Columbians have evacuated. Then I form construct blades and cut through what's left of the webbing.

    The figure within has clearly seen better days. Their flesh hangs loose on their muscles-. Her flesh hangs loose on her muscles. Her armoured cuirass is curious: steel plate and chain with New God style tron lines as part of the tabard and helmet. Her gaze is vacant, her skin the classic blue-white and what hair I can see is snow white in colour.

    "In case you're wondering, I carved the control sigil into her skull."

    Oh.

    "gnHHHHHHHH!" I Wake!

    Skin tightens, flesh swells back into something approaching full vitality as she pulls herself free. Her armour likewise starts to take on the shimmering, vital appearance of the version that Canis and his family wear.

    "I particularly enjoyed working on this one. Her father was the one who brought the Castle Revolving to my era. Whatever his Gods did to enhance him made him immune to my techniques, but his misery when I worked on the rest of his crew … That has kept me warm on many a cold evening. Aurakos? K-."

    I deaden the air, preventing the verbal command from reaching her, or anyone else he might have tucked away.

    "Ma'am?"

    I run a construct cable backwards towards the stairs-. Still being jammed. I fabricate a material cable and begin playing it up the stairs.

    "Ma'am? Can you understand me?"

    She grabs a sword with the same 'New God meets Iron Age' design as her armour from the webbing next to her, and the tron lines become active as soon as it's in her hand.

    Cable up, get me Canis.

    Compliance.

    "Orange Lantern to Canis, what happens when a New God is resurrected from the dead?"

    "That cannot happen. If a New God has a God-Name, then their soul would be unified with the Source upon their death. There would be nothing to resurrect."

    "How about if they were only mostly dead? Or if their body was reanimated? I ask, because-."

    "Because you are looking at some fresh horror of human ingenuity. I will come to you."

    "Get the Columbians out first." I turn my attention back to the-. To Aurakos. Daughter of Aurakles, presumably. "Ma'am, can you understand-"

    There's a dim yellow glow under her helmet.

    "-me?"

    She makes eye contact with me, and seems considerably more focused than the other grundies I've encountered.

    "You will die." Even the Odds.

    Construct shield.

    …

    Construct shield.

    My environmental shield goes out and… I'm fully aware of my aches and my armour switches back to 'manual'.

    I deploy my right forearm's x-ionised blade as the Dead God lunges forward, turning aside her two-handed swing. In this armour I'm nothing like agile enough to dodge-. But I can be fast. Before she can recover I lunge, ramming my armour's bulk into her chest. She's knocked back slightly, and her sword is out of position as I punch with my left gauntlet. She's not any shorter than me but my head isn't particularly mobile like this-.

    She sidesteps, proximity sensors guiding me as I blind parry and then trigger the armour's flight system, flying back-. Not flying back because that's not working either.

    Oh this is bullshit!

    How to win a flipping sword duel? Firstly, given that while I have done some primitive weapon practice I don't have the drilled reactions of people who focus on it, ensure that I'm as accelerated as I can meaningfully be.

    I throw myself into a forward vault as Aurakos gets behind me and slashes at my back.

    Oh, she's just this fast. Not Flash-fast or even Kid Flash-fast, but far faster than physical power can explain. Fast enough that I can't just out speed her. Upside down in mid air I can see her reacting, moving, stepping forwards to keep the distance between us as small as possible.

    Taser? No, that's offline. Or rather, it registers as online but isn't actually doing anything when I trigger it. Blade in the other forearm? Doesn't deploy. I'm sure that if I had time and freedom I could hunt down whatever the core of this… Spell? Was bound to and shoot it.

    Behind her I see Canis coming down the stairs behind her. And then stop.

    "Lllllllll-"

    I land on the wall and push off, catching and turning aside her sword again and hitting her full in the chest with my extremely heavy power armour. This time she goes flying and I switch back to normal speed.

    "-antern, she is challenging you!"

    "Yes?"

    "You are bound together by the will of the Source!" Aurakos lands in a crouch, slides, and then locks her eyes on Canis. "You are balanced in power, by the Source's will!"

    "Literally or metaphorically?"

    "Yes!"

    "That's not funny, C-!"

    "We are the manifestations of the Source! It has granted her this power! You cannot use powers or equipment she does not have, save to balance her! And the same applies to her!"

    …

    And my rings are in my chest and my skull and my armour's systems are integrated.

    Damn it.
     
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    • Well fuck. This means that you can't call the Orange lantern entity either, sense ophirion counts as outside help.

    I understand that whenever he's in a position of power he tends to de-escalate instead of doing awesome stuff, but I still find it frustrating that the only stories we have left are ones where he's basically the underdog despite being more prepared and better well armored than almost anyone else in the area.

    It's one of those cases where if he was properly prepared the story would instantly end and no one would write it down I guess.
     
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