With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

BR549 · 2025-11-30T09:05:29+0000

Trust us, Amalak, you really don't want to visit Earth.

We're all mad here.

Prince Charon · 2025-11-30T09:06:16+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"You're welcome, but it's not really at its best right now. Oh, do we need to do new recordings of the state of Timaron before Lantern Mother of Mercy starts work, or are existing records alright? And who's volunteering to act as advocate for the defence?"

Oh, yes. That last bit is important, but also rather... emotionally significant for a lot of people.

Vanbers · 2025-11-30T09:34:01+0000

Mr Zoat said:
And who's volunteering to act as advocate for the defence?

...It's going to end up being OL, isn't it?

Chojin Patriarch · 2025-11-30T09:35:17+0000

Mr Zoat said:
8th August 2013
15:21 GMT

Xudar's Foreign Minister Zolan-La looks at Commodore Amalak and a woman introduced to me as Nallam like she's seeing a pair of unicorns. Nallam is the closest the timaronians have to an actual jurist; apparently she was their equivalent of a junior solicitor before Dru-Zod's attack. She's an elderly woman now, and… Well, there wasn't much call for criminal lawyers during the decades of exile.

...Which makes me wonder just how old Amalak is. Rejuvenation treatments, good genes or do their people live quite a long time... At any rate that's a bit of a promotion, relatively speaking, though naturally she'll not be the sitting judge, merely the chief prosecutor.

"I'm.. sorry if this is an uncomfortable question, but how many of your people..? Ah…"

Amalak smiles. "How many of us are there? A few thousand. Enough for a sustainable population so long as we track lineages. We haven't settled any one world, but there are communities from here to Vega."

I'm sure the Maltusians can help get some variety into their available population after a little study. But that's somethign to consider later, after all this is sorted out.

"And you are their leader?"

"Not precisely. Each established community has their own leaders, but I've done rather well for myself since I was evacuated. It lets me do certain things that my impoverished kin can't."

...That's not really a 'No', Amalak.

"So yes, basically."

He ignores me. "I don't have a formal position of leadership, but those who do have entrusted me with this task."

So effectively you've been elected as... Consul? by popular acclimation.

Zolan-La nods. "The practical issues, then. We have a fairly up to date copy of your legal code, but we have less details on the actual practice of law."

Nallam nods. "Procedures as written are seldom procedures as enacted. It has been some time, but between my training and our records, we should be able to create something accurate."

True enough. People will be people, after all, and often speak out of turn or make mistakes in points of operation.

"Can you explain to me what it is that you hope to get from the process?"

Amalak now glances my way. "It was a requirement of the one currently holding General Zod that there be a.. process. Really, you should ask her."

Remember that OL has effectively tricked him into thinking a certain other Kryptonian is behind their part in enabling all this.

Zolan-La looks me over again, her fronts shuddering. "'Her'?"

"Sub-Commander Karsta Wor-Ul, a surviving kryptonian."

Better than letting him know about Kal-El and Kara Zor-El, and the various other Zone Parolees.

"Ah. Will she be available to give testimony?"

"Ah… She can be? Will that be required?"

Will she go along with that request, though? I'm sure she'd rather keep her continued existence somewhat private.

Zolan-La nods sharply. "Timaron law was largely derived from the laws of the Kryptonian Empire in structure." Amalak's expression hardens as she continues. "Kryptonian law had substantial allowances for acts committed under orders. It may be helpful if she was able to explain the normal rules of engagement of the kryptonian military so that it can be demonstrated that he violated them."

Ah, all right, serving as an expert on matters important to the crime. Probably more tolerable.

"Wouldn't his subsequent imprisonment by the Science Council be sufficient to do that?"

"No, as they didn't punish him for what he did against Timaron."

Indeed. Their charges were acting without orders, if I remember right. After all, 'the victims were just aliens'...

"Ah. Uh, I'll ask. I've also got a neural imprint of Har-Zod, if that's any help."

Amalak frowns. "Who?"

"Har-Zod was head of the Military Council and High Councillor until the Science Council won an election. He was dead when Krypton exploded, but he should be able to give an overview of normal kryptonian command and control processes."

Ooh, that's a good point to bring up. The question is how acceptable his input will be, given he's technically just a very characterful database query front-end.

And now he's glaring. "Where did you find that?"

"Xenon. There was a small outpost. He wasn't convinced that the Science Council's plan would adequately defend Krypton, so he made a few arrangements."

Very prescient arrangements as it turned out. If for different reasons.

"He cooperated with you?"

I hold up my left hand with a smile, ring sigil towards him. "I'm very persuasive."

Plus, the VI engram is quite sensible and open to diplomacy.

He nods, thankfully assuming the worst.

Zolan-La blinks. "What is a neural imprint?"

Ah, right, not all cultures have the same level of technology, or expand in the same directions.

"A computerised copy of a person's consciousness, including their memories. The ones I've spoken to have been clear that they're not really people in their own right, but they're fairly close."

She looks at Nallam. "Would Timaron law allow such an entity to give testimony?"

Ah, the million-dollar question.

"Legally, it is an exhibit, but as far as I remember it would be treated as a witness unless someone believed that its records had been altered. Timaron law didn't treat them in the same way that Krypton law did because they never shared the technology." She shrugs. "We never had to take them into account."

Which is why they're basically turning to Kryptonian law for this one.

Zolan-La makes a note. "That.. is something that we can cover later. But I am still not clear what you want."

Amalak doesn't seem to follow. "I think I've been fairly clear..?"

I think she means beyond the trial itself. A lot of systems in Krypton's old reach will be quite interested in this affair...

"Do you want to establish guilt to the minimum level required to pass a death sentence, or do you wish to show to a wider audience what happened to your people? Do you wish to expand the investigation to discover if there are any other guilty parties? Perhaps parties that are dead and cannot be tried themselves? Obviously there can be no order made against the government of Krypton, but the system itself is unowned and may be of some value."

Some very critical points.

"Lantern, you've visited. Is there?"

"I haven't conducted a detailed analysis on the whole place, but unless you're interested in novel radioactive minerals, not really. The faint green glow along Krypton's orbital plane is pretty to look at, but I doubt that it'll ever be a tourist hotspot."

And with any luck, no technology remains intact in the system, because you know people will be poking around...

"Then no, let their system moulder. And while I.. suppose an airing of grievances might help some of my people, most of us just want him dead."

"And the other one? Ursa?"

"I don't have the same intensity of emotion towards her. But yes. Is that a problem?"

At worst, she's a willing partner and accomplice, at best an unwitting patsy who the Kryptonians tried because of the aforementioned 'acted without orders' thing. Though given other portrayals, I suspect it'll be the worse end of the scale.

"No. The few other groups who have expressed an interest in their punishment have made it clear that they can have a full fact finding hearing later. They all know that they don't have as strong a claim as you do."

Amalak nods. "I don't mean to disrespect anyone who had family members killed during the attack. They should feel free to attend the trial and the execution-."

Gracious, and I expect all of the interested governments will be sending observers.

"Assuming that he's found guilty." He narrows his eyes at me. "I know, but we need to maintain the appearance of fairness, and that involves neutral language. And if by some miracle he wasn't responsible and someone else was, I assume that you'd want them instead."

...I find that possibility highly unlikely. But yes, I suppose not talking about him like he's already been found guilty will help with the optics of the thing. Not that anyone will likely object to a kangaroo court...

"How could he possibly not be responsible?"

"You've never been to Earth, have you?"

"No?"

Probably a good thing he's calmed down a bit on his anti-Kryptonian 'crusade' lately. He might take meeting Superman poorly.

"There are multiple ways to control someone's mind. Or take control of a ship when everything runs off a single computer system. Feigning transmissions, using stealthed ships to make it looks like a ship that isn't shooting is. There are ways the attack could have been disguised, and we'll need to eliminate those as possibilities during prosecution."

As long as you don't end up causing a reasonable doubt in his guilt...

He face relaxes slightly. "I'm beginning to think that I should visit this homeworld of yours."

"You're welcome, but it's not really at its best right now. Oh, do we need to do new recordings of the state of Timaron before Lantern Mother of Mercy starts work, or are existing records alright? And who's volunteering to act as advocate for the defence?"

...I get the feeling you're about to get nominated, OL...

Some very pleasant points raised in all the discussion. Questions of procedure and performance of duty... The concerns of other peoples done harm by Kryptonian empire-building... The possibility (however slim) of acquittal... Lots of things to worry about, and many moving parts that might end up clashing as events trundle forwards...

Vaermina · 2025-11-30T09:43:09+0000

CrazyNoVa said:
Yeah, but even then, only by people who have unusual abilities or magical means, which no version of Brainiac has access to.

As far as I remember the only version of Brainiac who managed to successfully harness magic was the one from the DC Universe Online MMO, and even then, I don't think that version is compatible with Zoat's version, because I don't think that one was Coluan.

In story the big brain Reach thing managed to do it.

As did the OMAC's.

That said, you're forgetting that Brainiac's technopathy is a special ability further enhanced by his technology.

CrazyNoVa said:
Not true. Power rings have been improving and getting updated. We know this, because in both canon and in this story, there's been different types of specialized power rings and additional equipment and inovations invented by the Guardians for various purposes (examples: the special rings and batteries used by the Corpse and Alpha Lanterns).

Also, remember the various prototypes and attempts to harness the emotional spectrum that came before the power rings that we see today, such as the prototype Green Gauntlets or the Phantom Lantern ring. The fact that they exist proves that Malthusian tech hasn't been completely stagnant during the last couple of eons.

Besides, even if you're somehow right and Power Rings haven't been advanced since then, I don't know if either Brainiac 13 or Blood Moon Brainiac would be able to hack one, because they would still be the second most advanced form of technology in the universe, with only Mother Boxes being more advanced than them.

As far as I recall the Alpha Lanterns and Corpse don't exist in story.

Also, the idea that Power Rings are the "most advanced" technology in the universe is complete fannon. Even discounting New God tech. And Monitor/Anti-Monitor tech. There's a bunch of stuff more advanced floating around like the H-Dial.

Mr Zoat · 2025-11-30T09:49:31+0000

Duke Long said:
'look'

Thank you, corrected.

Ngamer11 said:
That should say 'be'.

Look up.

Vanbers said:
...It's going to end up being OL, isn't it?

Heck no. Arnus can handle that one.

mastermenthe · 2025-11-30T12:40:59+0000

Chojin Patriarch said:
...I get the feeling you're about to get nominated, OL...

Vanbers said:
...It's going to end up being OL, isn't it?

You just know that an Incident will demand OL's personal intervention during the trial, forcing the court to go into recess until OL can come back to represent the defendant, and this will happen over and over again, stretching the trial over months...

until it is revealed the entire thing was a plot to force OL to create a mental duplicate of himself to stay at the trial, resulting in OL having to rescue himself from his engram's kidnappers

CrazyNoVa · 2025-11-30T14:45:04+0000

Vaermina said:
In story the big brain Reach thing managed to do it.

As did the OMAC's.

That said, you're forgetting that Brainiac's technopathy is a special ability further enhanced by his technology.

As far as I recall the Alpha Lanterns and Corpse don't exist in story.

Also, the idea that Power Rings are the "most advanced" technology in the universe is complete fannon. Even discounting New God tech. And Monitor/Anti-Monitor tech. There's a bunch of stuff more advanced floating around like the H-Dial.

And yet, we never see Brainiac use his technopathic abilities to take control of a Green Lantern's ring whenever he fights them. How strange. In fact, I might be remembering this wrong, but wasn't Larfleeze recently able to use his ring to hack and enslave Brainiac in canon?

Also, yes, the Corpse does exist in this story. They're mentioned several times, and I recall that they tried to kill the Renegade at some point.

Lastly, I never said that Power Rings were the most advanced things in the universe. I even said Mother Boxes were more advanced, remember? Also, the idea that the H-Dial is more advanced than a Power Ring is ludicrously nonsensical, considering that Power Rings are more versatile, more practical, more powerful, and just has many more overall functions than the H-Dial.

Mr Zoat · 2025-11-30T16:05:48+0000

CrazyNoVa said:
Lastly, I never said that Power Rings were the most advanced things in the universe. I even said Mother Boxes were more advanced, remember? Also, the idea that the H-Dial is more advanced than a Power Ring is ludicrously nonsensical, considering that Power Rings are more versatile, more practical, more powerful, and just has many more overall functions than the H-Dial.

To be fair, no one who has tried to use a H-Dial on-screen was exactly an expert in its utilisation.

CrazyNoVa · 2025-11-30T16:43:06+0000

Mr Zoat said:
To be fair, no one who has tried to use a H-Dial on-screen was exactly an expert in its utilisation.

True. But everything I've seen so far indicates that even the ability to turn into various superheroes pales in comparison to the full potential of a Power Ring or a Mother Box.

Darko · 2025-11-30T17:20:34+0000

Vaermina said:
In story the big brain Reach thing managed to do it.

As did the OMAC's

Yet neither side has managed to defeat Paul.

Vaermina said:
As far as I recall the Alpha Lanterns and Corpse don't exist in story

The Corpse first showed up when the tried to attack the Renegade.

He actually Assimilated one of them.

Vaermina said:
Also, the idea that Power Rings are the "most advanced" technology in the universe is complete fannon. Even discounting New God tech. And Monitor/Anti-Monitor tech. There's a bunch of stuff more advanced floating around like the

They still are in the top 5.

Someguy Somewhere · 2025-11-30T17:55:43+0000

CrazyNoVa said:
True. But everything I've seen so far indicates that even the ability to turn into various superheroes pales in comparison to the full potential of a Power Ring or a Mother Box.

The H-Dial inspired later shows such as Ben 10, with the idea of 'random alien transformation device'. For those that are familiar with that media, Alien X was effectively omnipotent and manage to Destroy and Recreate their entire Universe in moments. Not that I'm directly scaling the Dial to the Watch in this case, but it does have to make you wonder about what Particular Hero's are contained / replicateble.

While there appears to be some sort of intelligence to the selection of the hero, one of the quirks that previous owners said, and which was observed by OL during the Evil Supergirl incident, was that it ALWAYS gives something useful to the particular situation the user is involved in, even if it is not directly obvious.

So you have to wonder what might pop out in the event that it encounters a Significant Threat.

Looking over the wiki page for the Dial, there's the usual expected flying bricks, burning persons and stretchy people.....but jumbled in there are a few that stand out. I'm gonna cherry pick a few:

Sphinx Man – A superhero that has a stone body and wings that allowed him to fly. He could ask a person the "Riddle of the Sphinx" and the victim would vanish into Limbo if he did not answer correctly.

Control-Alt-Delete – a computer-themed superhero who is able to "reboot" recent events.

Flash- a duplicate of Flash. [Note: Barry Allen]

Minotaura - a large minotaur-like superheroine that has super-strength and can trap anyone in a maze.

Reign of the Supermiguels - Supermiguel versions of Steel, Superboy, Cyborg Superman, and the Eradicator.

Stuffing random people into alternative dimensions for failing to answer a question correctly, localized reality rewriting, Flash (proper Speed Force bullshit powers, rather then just 'run fast' version), Another 'stuff you into a maze (reminds me of the Lady of Pain from Planescape) and then of course, All the Super People from Death And Rebirth of Superman. I'd say that most of those would give the average Lantern User some trouble. I Think there's a few time travel / Stoppers in the lists but couldn't find them, which would be worse for the obvious issues.

The problem with the Dial isn't that it's not powerful enough to keep up with a Lantern, if it can copy mechanical stuff, Flash and Pseudo-Kryptonians, it might even Have a Lantern on file. The problem is you don't know what you'll get until you use it, which means you can't really PLAN on any one powerset. And as Batman Proves, preperation wins battles.

Vaermina · 2025-11-30T19:27:54+0000

CrazyNoVa said:
And yet, we never see Brainiac use his technopathic abilities to take control of a Green Lantern's ring whenever he fights them. How strange. In fact, I might be remembering this wrong, but wasn't Larfleeze recently able to use his ring to hack and enslave Brainiac in canon?

Also, yes, the Corpse does exist in this story. They're mentioned several times, and I recall that they tried to kill the Renegade at some point.

The Coluan Brainiac never really fights Lanterns, the only one I know of that does is "Brainiac 2.0" which was just an AI copy of Brainiac without his actual powers.

Lastly, I never said that Power Rings were the most advanced things in the universe. I even said Mother Boxes were more advanced, remember? Also, the idea that the H-Dial is more advanced than a Power Ring is ludicrously nonsensical, considering that Power Rings are more versatile, more practical, more powerful, and just has many more overall functions than the H-Dial.

Are we talking Zoat Power Rings or Canon Power Rings?

Darko said:
Yet neither side has managed to defeat Paul.

Only because Mr Zoat gave Orange Lantern an additional "immortality" power.

Without that he would have been killed by both.

Darko said:
The Corpse first showed up when the tried to attack the Renegade.

He actually Assimilated one of them.

Wasn't that during his travel to one of the alternate universes?

Darko · 2025-11-30T19:56:39+0000

Vaermina said:
Only because Mr Zoat gave Orange Lantern an additional "immortality" power.

Without that he would have been killed by both.

Yeah, it's not like the only orange Lantern in the comics wasn't immortal and that power rings can heal people.

Oh wait, he was and they can.

Vaermina said:
Wasn't that during his travel to one of the alternate universes?

Nope. It happened in universe 16.

He even assimilated Von Daggle.

CrazyNoVa · 2025-12-01T00:02:32+0000

Vaermina said:
Are we talking Zoat Power Rings or Canon Power Rings?

Both, although canon Rings are far, FAR more OP than Zoat's rings. I know it can be hard to forget when we see all thr awesome things Paul can do, but let's not forget that Zoat actually nerfed the Power Rings so that the story could work.

Vaermina said:
Only because Mr Zoat gave Orange Lantern an additional "immortality" power.

Without that he would have been killed by both.

Very true, although it all evens out because even though Zoat's rings have the potential to make someone immortal, they have less raw power than canon rings.

Someguy Somewhere said:
The problem with the Dial isn't that it's not powerful enough to keep up with a Lantern, if it can copy mechanical stuff, Flash and Pseudo-Kryptonians, it might even Have a Lantern on file. The problem is you don't know what you'll get until you use it, which means you can't really PLAN on any one powerset. And as Batman Proves, preperation wins battles.

Exactly. That's why I consider power rings superior to the H-Dial. Because they can do everything the heroes in the H-dial can, and unlike with the H-Dial, whose capabilities are selective and dependent on which hero you turn into, power ring users have access to their capabilities at all times, and those can be accessed by the user any time they want without needing to worry about randomness or whatnot.

Comparing the H-Dial to a Power Ring is like comparing one of the most powerful weapons in a video game to an item in that same game who always gives a random effect whenever it's used. Sure, the random item has the potential to be as strong as the powerful weapon, but if it's not always guaranteed, and in a pinch, you're obviously always going to rely on the weapon who is always consistently strong over the item that may or may not be strong at the moment. The difference between the powerful weapon and the random item is that when all is said and done, one is strong, consistent, reliable and trustworthy, while the other one is amusing, but unpredictable, luck-based and untrustworthy.

Vaermina · 2025-12-01T01:58:14+0000

Darko said:
Yeah, it's not like the only orange Lantern in the comics wasn't immortal and that power rings can heal people.

Larfleeze's species is naturally long lived not immortal, we find that out in "Brightest Day" when we learn that his parents are still alive.

Larfleeze's species also has superhuman durability, he directly tells us that.

CrazyNoVa said:
Both, although canon Rings are far, FAR more OP than Zoat's rings. I know it can be hard to forget when we see all thr awesome things Paul can do, but let's not forget that Zoat actually nerfed the Power Rings so that the story could work.

In the comics Power Rings can't heal (They can somewhat fake it though), transmute matter, maintain portable pocket dimensions for anything other then their Lantern, and don't have an AI that you can offload all the fiddly bits of construct creation onto.

Mr Zoat also removed the "opposing spectrum" vulnerabilities.

CrazyNoVa · 2025-12-01T02:41:28+0000

Vaermina said:
In the comics Power Rings can't heal (They can somewhat fake it though), transmute matter, maintain portable pocket dimensions for anything other then their Lantern, and don't have an AI that you can offload all the fiddly bits of construct creation onto..

Oh yes, they absolutely can.

The Green Lantern Corps has shown to have many medics on staff (like Soranik Natu) who can use their rings to assist them in their medical work, and Simon Baz has demonstrated a talent for using the green light to heal people, even managing to bring someone back from near-death through sheer willpower alone. Furthermore, both Blue Lanterns and Star Sapphires have shown the ability to heal people too. Saint Walker regrew Arkillo's tongue after it got ripped out of his mouth by Mongul, and Kyle Rayner was resurrected by a Star Sapphire after he temporarily died during the Blackest Night event. So yes, Power Rings can absolutely heal people.

And yes, Power Rings do have A.I.s that work like that too, and the portable dimension thing is also canon. In fact, Hal once had a weird adventure where he went inside of his own ring's pocket dimension and met his Ring's living A.I. consciousness.

Furthermore, sufficiently advanced power ring users have shown the ability to artificially replicate and alter matter down to the molecular level, including organic matter. And they can even create fully sentient and autonomous construct life-forms too.

And no, he did not remove the opposing spectrum vulnerabilities. At least not completely. If that was really the case, the white light wouldn't have been able to purge away the anti-life from Earth, and Paul wouldn't have been able to resist its effects either.

Vaermina · 2025-12-01T04:15:19+0000

CrazyNoVa said:
Oh yes, they absolutely can.

The Green Lantern Corps has shown to have many medics on staff (like Soranik Natu) who can use their rings to assist them in their medical work, and Simon Baz has demonstrated a talent for using the green light to heal people, even managing to bring someone back from near-death through sheer willpower alone. Furthermore, both Blue Lanterns and Star Sapphires have shown the ability to heal people too. Saint Walker regrew Arkillo's tongue after it got ripped out of his mouth by Mongul, and Kyle Rayner was resurrected by a Star Sapphire after he temporarily died during the Blackest Night event. So yes, Power Rings can absolutely heal people.

Soranik Natu assists their medical work by creating tools. Which requires actual medical knowledge.

What Simon Baz did was directly stated as having been "impossible" by a veteran green lantern. And that "healing" involved Simon standing next to the "Book of Black", crying black tears, the color of his light inverting to black, and part of his lifeforce getting sucked out since he was barely able to stand after doing it.

And Kyle Rayner was resurrected by his White Lantern powers, not Star Sapphire.

But yeah, you did get me on one, because I forgot to specific "no power ring outside of blue". Though even that's more because healing is a distinct function of the Blue Light of Hope.

And yes, Power Rings do have A.I.s that work like that too, and the portable dimension thing is also canon. In fact, Hal once had a weird adventure where he went inside of his own ring's pocket dimension and met his Ring's living A.I. consciousness.

I didn't say there was no AI, I said that the AI can't handle the fiddly bits of construct creation.

And the user of a ring having to handle the fiddly bits of construct creation is an actual plot point across multiple series.

CrazyNoVa said:
Furthermore, sufficiently advanced power ring users have shown the ability to artificially replicate and alter matter down to the molecular level, including organic matter. And they can even create fully sentient and autonomous construct life-forms too.

Yes, but that is just a construct faking it.

Zoat has the ring transmuting actual matter.

CrazyNoVa said:
And no, he did not remove the opposing spectrum vulnerabilities. At least not completely. If that was really the case, the white light wouldn't have been able to purge away the anti-life from Earth, and Paul wouldn't have been able to resist its effects either.

Yes, he did.

Zoat has Orangle Lantern use his ring against Blue/Violet light constructs when both of those are supposed to completely neutralize the Orange Light.

AverusBlack · 2025-12-01T06:03:45+0000

Vaermina said:
Soranik Natu assists their medical work by creating tools. Which requires actual medical knowledge.

What Simon Baz did was directly stated as having been "impossible" by a veteran green lantern. And that "healing" involved Simon standing next to the "Book of Black", crying black tears, the color of his light inverting to black, and part of his lifeforce getting sucked out since he was barely able to stand after doing it.

And Kyle Rayner was resurrected by his White Lantern powers, not Star Sapphire.

But yeah, you did get me on one, because I forgot to specific "no power ring outside of blue". Though even that's more because healing is a distinct function of the Blue Light of Hope.

I didn't say there was no AI, I said that the AI can't handle the fiddly bits of construct creation.

And the user of a ring having to handle the fiddly bits of construct creation is an actual plot point across multiple series.

Yes, but that is just a construct faking it.

Zoat has the ring transmuting actual matter.

Yes, he did.

Zoat has Orangle Lantern use his ring against Blue/Violet light constructs when both of those are supposed to completely neutralize the Orange Light.

Sssshhhhhh, let people enjoy things. If you don't like how the story is written, too bad.

CrazyNoVa · 2025-12-01T06:17:05+0000

Vaermina said:
Soranik Natu assists their medical work by creating tools. Which requires actual medical knowledge.

What Simon Baz did was directly stated as having been "impossible" by a veteran green lantern. And that "healing" involved Simon standing next to the "Book of Black", crying black tears, the color of his light inverting to black, and part of his lifeforce getting sucked out since he was barely able to stand after doing it.

What are you talking about? The book of black wasn't involved, and Simon's tears weren't black either. They appeared that way due to a coloring error. We know this, because in the next panels, his tears look completely normal, as did his light color. Also, the veteran Green Lantern in question obviously didn't know what he was talking about, because Green Lanterns have done way crazier things than this in the past.

What Soranik Natu did still counts as using a power ring to heal someone. Yes, what Soranik does obviously requires medical knowledge, but it still counts as a power ring being used to help heal someone regardless. It just goes to show that any Green Lantern with the appropriate medical know-how can use their ring to heal people.

Vaermina said:
And Kyle Rayner was resurrected by his White Lantern powers, not Star Sapphire.

But yeah, you did get me on one, because I forgot to specific "no power ring outside of blue". Though even that's more because healing is a distinct function of the Blue Light of Hope.

No, that's not what happened at all. I just went back to read the story, and I can assure you that Kyle was not resurrected by the White Light. The White Light wasn't even involved at all until the end of the event. He was resurrected by the Star Sapphire Miri Riam, using the Violet Light to channel the bond between Kyle and Soranik to heal Kyle and bring him back to life.

Mr Zoat · 2025-12-01T06:27:40+0000

8th August 2013
22:49 GMT

Amalak looks curious, Nallam confused and Zolan-La fearful as Lantern Mother of Mercy drifts into the system. Scanning, I see the tiny spec of green marking the position of Lantern Tomar-Re as he serves as her escort.

"H-? How-?"

"Epic-scale telekinesis, combined with power ring faster-than-light travel. If you mean, 'how can something like that exist?', my best guess is a crazed bioengineer, but I don't really know and she doesn't remember."

Amalak tears his eyes away from where she's lumbering in-system and looks at me. "We can talk to her?"

"Certainly. She doesn't really have ears, but her telekinesis is sensitive enough to detect vibrations in the air. We gave her more conventional communications devices as backups, but she prefers to use her ring."

Zolan-La looks hesitantly towards the ship's captain, who in turn gestures to the communications officer.

"Aye sir, hailing the… Flying planet."

"Ater Clementia. Well… That's what I've been calling it, and no one's corrected me."

Amalak smiles. "Do you think perhaps that they assume that you know?"

I nod. "Circular sourcing is a problem my species is grappling with."

"Ah…" The officer on sensors nervously looks around. "Sir?"

The captain approaches his station. "What is it?"

"I… Thought it was a planetary ring, or some sort of high altitude creature. But… But around the.. planet, there's…" A nervous glance at me. "Bodies"

I nod. "She's a growing girl. The war with the Reach has produced vast quantities of corpses, and this way we can ensure that their souls reach an afterlife."

Some stare at me. Other try to avoid looking at me.

"Oh, like any of you know anything about thaumaturgy."

"P-planet responding, sir."

The captain gives his fronds a calming wave. "On screen."

An image of Mother of Mercy's nexus appears on screen. There's no camera there-. Or at least there wasn't last time I looked. I suspect that she's using a construct camera.

One of the aides regurgitates his last meal, which seems-. Oh, no, he's just being sick.

She doesn't look… That weird? Does she?

"Hail Xudarian ship. I am Orange Lantern Mother of Mercy. Are the observers on board?"

Zolan-La hesitantly steps forwards. "They are."

"Then I will begin."

"Good." Zolan-La glances back as one of the other aides helps Weak Stomach off the bridge. "Good. Ah. How long do you think this will take?"

"I will not know until I am closer."

Amalak taps my arm. He's not watching the main screen. He's watching the sensor station.

"Yes?"

"A planet… With better acceleration that most freighters a millionth of its mass."

"Yes. I did say."

"I assumed that you were exaggerating. I expected a dwarf planet, or perhaps a station with the mass of one."

"Wee have one of those as well, but he's a shipyard and not a geo-engineering station."

He makes a heavenward gesture of appeal. "And it turns out that I know absolutely nothing about interstellar travel at all."

"This is kind of a fringe case. As I said, she's unique."

"Does she have a sister?"

"I mean… She can bud, but I don't think she's interested in dating humanoids."

He nods for a moment, then jerks his head back to me. "What?"

"I mean, how would that even work? And shouldn't you stick to members of your own species? They need to genetic diversity."

He regards me carefully for a moment. "You come from a strange place, don't you?"

"Not originally, but I did move to one. Just living there is excellent preparation for becoming a Lantern; after a while nothing phases you."

He turns back to the main screen. "Did she work on your planet?"

"No, one of our neighbours. She gave them telekinetic spires to compress their atmosphere so that they could start living on the surface again."

"Can it fly, too?"

Huh. "I didn't actually ask."

"I wonder if there have been flying planet throughout the universe for my entire life and I have missed them by pure chance."

"I only know of three others. They're not that common."

He blinks at me, then closes his eyes for a moment. Then he walks away from me, towards the main screen. Looks like Zolan-La and Lantern Mother of Mercy have finished their conversation, and the screen is now showing a live feed of Timaron. I see the eclipsed portion increase as Mother of Mercy moves closer, and…

"Remarkable."

The clouds enshrouding the part of the world closest to Mother of Mercy's angle of approach begin to drop out of the air, as if an invisible hand was pushing down on a sponge, or a crowd of minnows were darting away from a probing beak. Storm clouds crackle with lightning as the dust falls to the ground and water turns to precipitation. In the thin band between Ater Clementia and Timaron I get my first clear view of the planet's surface, and… That's nasty, but as Mother of Mercy continues moving the clear band expands… In fills in a little as she continues around the planet, but even then the glowing magma channels far below can dimly be seem glowing through the dust.

"That…" Zolan-La is staring at the screen along with the rest of us. "Our best estimates were that that would take years…"

"All about having the right tools, Minister."

Amalak shakes his head. "I.. used to dream that the surface beneath the clouds might turn out to be unblemished." He snorts. "Foolish, really."

"It's just a matter of time. Do you want to visit the surface?"

"Is it necessary for the trial?"

"No, Lantern Mother of Mercy can document everything."

"Then… No. I'll visit once the surface has a little more life to it. Until then, I'm happy to leave my few memories of its former state untainted."

AverusBlack · 2025-12-01T06:36:22+0000

Mr Zoat said:
He regards me carefully for a moment. "You come from a strange place, don't you?"

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If only he knew.

Ngamer11 · 2025-12-01T06:38:56+0000

Mr Zoat said:
"A planet… With better acceleration that most freighters a millionth of its mass."

That should say 'than'.

"Wee have one of those as well, but he's a shipyard and not a geo-engineering station."

That should say 'We'.

"I wonder if there have been flying planet throughout the universe for my entire life and I have missed them by pure chance."

"I only know of three others. They're not that common."

What planets is Paul referring to here?

The clouds enshrouding the part of the world closest to Mother of Mercy's angle of approach begin to drop out of the air, as if an invisible hand was pushing down on a sponge, or a crowd of minnows were darting away from a probing beak. Storm clouds crackle with lightning as the dust falls to the ground and water turns to precipitation. In the thin band between Ater Clementia and Timaron I get my first clear view of the planet's surface, and… That's nasty, but as Mother of Mercy continues moving the clear band expands… In fills in a little as she continues around the planet, but even then the glowing magma channels far below can dimly be seem glowing through the dust.

I think that should say 'It'.

I'm loving how more and more people across the universe are learning how BS crazy Earth is. I sincerely hope it will one day be seen as the Gotham of the universe.

Ciber · 2025-12-01T06:41:35+0000

Sometimes it's hard to tell if Paul is intentionally taking the piss.

TFTwink · 2025-12-01T06:44:52+0000

Mr Zoat said:
He blinks at me, then closes his eyes for a moment. Then he walks away from me

It's OK bud, the people on Earth do that with Paul too

BR549 · 2025-12-01T06:52:44+0000

Mr Zoat said:
And shouldn't you stick to members of your own species? They need to genetic diversity."

'the'

"Can it fly, too?"

What is Amalak referring to here? The telekinetic spires? Mars itself?

"I wonder if there have been flying planet throughout the universe for my entire life

'planets'

NightmareWarden · 2025-12-01T06:58:19+0000

Ciber said:
Sometimes it's hard to tell if Paul is intentionally taking the piss.

Of course he's taking the piss this time. In most cases where Paul does this, yeah, he's being genuine. But no, it is too in-your-face this time.

I do have a sliver of doubt. If I'm wrong, then Mr Zoat is doing a reversal here. He still isn't doing the "Paul is weirding people out on accident, crashing their systems with weird but correct responses" routine with the NORMAL low-risk amounts of horrifying revelations. He's gone way beyond that. Instead, Paragon-Paul is being genuine, but the joke is on us, the audience, rather than trial group. Mr Zoat is exaggerating the chapter itself for comedic value. He gets to chortle about his cleverness, and smirk at our agonized incredulity.

None of the above is a complaint, none of these options are flaws. I'm tickled by how Amalak's group is getting a whole fist and forearm deep in there, really stretching what they're comfortable feeling. It's overwhelming and making their heads swim.

Duke Long · 2025-12-01T07:02:29+0000

Mr Zoat said:
He regards me carefully for a moment. "You come from a strange place, don't you?"

"Not originally, but I did move to one. Just living there is excellent preparation for becoming a Lantern; after a while nothing phases you."

Come on, by local standards you did come from a strange place.

Mr Zoat said:
The clouds enshrouding the part of the world closest to Mother of Mercy's angle of approach begin to drop out of the air, as if an invisible hand was pushing down on a sponge, or a crowd of minnows were darting away from a probing beak. Storm clouds crackle with lightning as the dust falls to the ground and water turns to precipitation. In the thin band between Ater Clementia and Timaron I get my first clear view of the planet's surface, and… That's nasty, but as Mother of Mercy continues moving the clear band expands… In fills in a little as she continues around the planet, but even then the glowing magma channels far below can dimly be seem glowing through the dust.

'seen'

Ngamer11 said:
What planets is Paul referring to here?

Mogo, Warworld… I don't know the third.

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