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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

If I remember correctly, the only reason Sunset ended up on the Renegade's Earth is because the device that would've created Ambush Bug instead made it so that the Sunset ended up there instead of where she ended up in canon. So there is no Sunset on Paul's Earth because Ambush Bug's creation prevented that from happening.

Disappointing. Circe-tutored supervillain Sunset might've been a fun moment.
 
Disappointing. Circe-tutored supervillain Sunset might've been a fun moment.
Well, if it's any consolation, we know that Paragon!OL will eventually make his way to Equestria and have his talk with Nightmare Moon.

Edit: And he was visiting regularly for an entire millenium so he might've intervened in that scenario. Though from the surprise from Celestia about his general existence, either he didn't do anything then or he didn't make himself known to Celestia when he intervened.

It may be well after the story ends but beggars can't be choosers.
 
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I'm hoping for more possible future crossovers or at least fun little bottle episodes, like a version of Mr. Zoat/Paul that wound up in the universe of the recent hero game Dispatch, either in the way of Peter Wynne by starting a company like SDN or tried to be a hero only to retire after a short stint and acts as an office worker instead taking the role of HR or something that deals with the reformation of ex-villains.
 
Stuff in Renegade and Paragon seems to run not quite parallel, but in roughly the same direction. Does that mean a version of Sunset got dropped into the Paragon timeline without anyone noticing, then has been kicking around Earth through the Sheeda and Anti-life?

Have we not seen her around because she just showed up and promptly got merked by Earth bullshit?
No, Sunset ended up in the Renegade timeline due to Brum-El's teleportation bugs activating without Irwin Schwab.
 
Motivations (part 4) New
12th August 2013
16:26 GMT

"… Oh."

Does Timaronian law have 'pleading the belly'? Don't know, because not enough women burned worlds from orbit for there to be an established precedent.

"I assume that General Dru-Zod is the father?"

"Ah, yes."

"If you're not certain-."

"I am certain. I'm also shocked." She frowns distractedly. "How does this… Affect anything?"

"I don't know. I'm going to go and talk to your lawyer about this now. Excuse me."

I

step out, homing in on Arnus's desire to practice interstellar law again before

barging into the room set aside for his deliberations.

He looks up at me, and then shuts down his terminal. "Orange Lantern. Contact between a lawyer and a party to the case-."

"Is perfectly fine when that party is a physician or being employed as one or otherwise providing pertinent medical information."

"Medical?"

"Ursa's pregnant."



"I see."

"So if you want me to go and talk to Amalak about this, now is the time to tell me."

"How advanced is the pregnancy?"

"She didn't know. Thinking about it…" Ah, very early development, the amount of time between their coup attempt and them being sent to the phantom zone… "I'd estimate that she became pregnant about the time they started planning their coup."

He nods slowly. "A highly stressful situation."

"And one where getting court-martialled for fraternisation was the least of their worries. Which makes sense, but it's an extra complication."

"Have you informed Dru-Zod?"

"No. Legally, I have to tell you. Practically, I probably need to tell Amalak, because we sort of need him not to insist on executing her until after she's given birth."

"Why not move the fetus to an incubator?"

"Kryptonian birthing matrixes are designed to gestate the foetus from the start. Once the cells are embedded in the uterine wall, best kryptonian medical practice is to leave them where they are."

"I see. My own species are more adaptable."

Yes, he used to look like a tau before getting reconfigured, but that flexibility is unusual.

"I'm not saying that someone couldn't kludge something workable together, I'm saying that the kryptonian physicians advised against it back when they still existed."

He inclines his head slightly, then gets out of his chair. "Do not tell Commodore Amalak yet. I will discuss the subject with my clients first."

"Ah… Okay, but talk quickly. The Doomsday's pretty fast, and he wants a speedy trial."

He nods as he leaves the room. "I will not take long."

I watch as the door closes, and… Ugh. The fact that she's pregnant doesn't mean that she's not a mass murderer, however natural discomfort at the idea of executing a woman just after she's given birth is. And it's not just a matter of being on the bridge when the captain did it; she had his complete confidence and almost certainly took part in the planning process. She thought that bombarding a world from orbit was better than just loading a bunch of people into the ships they used to do it and heading off instead.

Sure, trying to 100% percent a situation is tempting. Certainly worth trying in a game. But with actual people's lives, they'd-.

Ring, how accurate was Jor-El's projected timeline?

A summary of his reports appears in my mind. So… Within a month. If they had loaded up their system defence ships with Jor-El's admirers and set course for… Anywhere, what would have happened? Assuming that the Science Council even noticed, because the people operating the sensor network would have sided with Dru-Zod and it would be easy for them to just not report it for a while…

They'd have sent Eradicators. If they could. Eradicators don't have built-in F.T.L.. So if Dru-Zod sabotaged their deployment ship… Could they build a new one inside a month? Probably. Would they bother?

I don't know.

And if they did and no one wanted to go back, how exactly would the Eradicators force them? If-.

If they went to a planet with a yellow sun, they could probably destroy the Eradicators. The Council Guard controlling them would give Dru-Zod a decent fight, but they'd lose to superior numbers.

And then… They hold out for a month, and it stops being a problem.

Ex-cept, the only yellow star I know they knew about is Sol, and… I'm not sure that Dru-Zod bringing a posse to Earth would have been good for us. They could probably set up on the surface of Mars well enough… No, I think they'd go to Earth. A few hundred fully powered kryptonians turning up in the eighties…

Ah…

Probably best for us that they didn't.

The other place they could go was Timaron. I haven't gotten the impression that they really had a problem with their old overlords, and kryptonian technology was still more advanced than what they had. There would have been a major benefit to both parties.

Or maybe… Maybe he didn't have enough support for something like that? Maybe he was having to lie to his subordinates about what they were doing and who they were arresting to make the coup happen at all? I don't know. I don't think he was lying to me but that doesn't mean that he was telling me the entirety of the truth.

Hm. Okay, there's not really anything I can do here. I

step out, looking for the desire to mend the universe that characterises

Lantern Mother of Mercy.

"Illustres. Welcome."

I stand on the surface of her world, just under the fronds of one of her solar energy collectors. Looking up, I can see the surface of Timaron, and off to one side I see the small orange specs of the observers.

"Orange Lantern Mother of Mercy. How goes it?"

"I am on schedule. The last of the volcanoes will be plugged by the end of the day. Then I will begin atmosphere filtration."

"Good show. Mind if I watch for a bit?"

"I would enjoy your company."

I nod, walking towards the trunk of the solar collector and sitting down with my back against it.

"So what have you been up to?"
 
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Huh. So it is medically inadvisable to execute her right away, even with the exo-wombs. I suppose the child would have to be adopted by someone else, after birth. At least, assuming the execution still happens.
 
12th August 2013
16:26 GMT


"… Oh."

Does Timaronian law have 'pleading the belly'? Don't know, because not enough women burned worlds from orbit for there to be an established precedent.
It is definitely going to complicate the matter of the trial. Especially if the timaronians are angry enough to not care about her status. Hopefully, she gets a reprieve, but I get the feeling that will be highly unlikely.

"I assume that General Dru-Zod is the father?"

"Ah, yes."
Loyalty being one of her big things, after all. Though that adds in a whole different angle to their association. Much like Shepard romancing Ashley or Kaidan in ME1, it's a little thing called 'fraternization.'

"If you're not certain-."

"I am certain. I'm also shocked." She frowns distractedly. "How does this… Affect anything?"
Certainly, if it was a one-night thing, she should be surprised, unless things just happened to line up right.

"I don't know. I'm going to go and talk to your lawyer about this now. Excuse me."

I

step out, homing in on Arnus's desire to practice interstellar law again before
I bet he was in a great mood before this moment. Performing in his original career instead of flying around punching criminals?

barging into the room set aside for his deliberations.

He looks up at me, and then shuts down his terminal. "Orange Lantern. Contact between a lawyer and a party to the case-."
Really should have knocked, OL. I know you're in a rush, but...

"Is perfectly fine when that party is a physician or being employed as one or otherwise providing pertinent medical information."

"Medical?"
Ah, that got his attention. And when you're talking about this situation, there's really only two options: She's already dying, or...

"Ursa's pregnant."



"I see."
...That. He's probably gonna have to check Timaronian laws to see what impact this has now. Which may actually be something he enjoys.

"So if you want me to go and talk to Amalak about this, now is the time to tell me."

"How advanced is the pregnancy?"
Now, see, that is an important question, but the way she reacted, well...

"She didn't know. Thinking about it…" Ah, very early development, the amount of time between their coup attempt and them being sent to the phantom zone… "I'd estimate that she became pregnant about the time they started planning their coup."

He nods slowly. "A highly stressful situation."
So it's marginally excusable. Just a fluke that she was fertile at the right moment, I suppose. Unless said preparation took weeks.

"And one where getting court-martialled for fraternisation was the least of their worries. Which makes sense, but it's an extra complication."

"Have you informed Dru-Zod?"
Oooh, he's gonna be shocked if he finds out. Finding out you're going to be a father can change a man's outlook rather suddenly.

"No. Legally, I have to tell you. Practically, I probably need to tell Amalak, because we sort of need him not to insist on executing her until after she's given birth."

"Why not move the fetus to an incubator?"

"Kryptonian birthing matrixes are designed to gestate the foetus from the start. Once the cells are embedded in the uterine wall, best kryptonian medical practice is to leave them where they are."
A good question. And a natural complication to see. The kind of trauma removing the placental connection would involve could well cause the fetus to fail.

"I see. My own species are more adaptable."

Yes, he used to look like a tau before getting reconfigured, but that flexibility is unusual.
Probably some measure of tailored genetic modifications. His species can modify their appearance, why not make pregnancies easier for the ladies?

"I'm not saying that someone couldn't kludge something workable together, I'm saying that the kryptonian physicians advised against it back when they still existed."

He inclines his head slightly, then gets out of his chair. "Do not tell Commodore Amalak yet. I will discuss the subject with my clients first."
Right, then. Better be quick.

"Ah… Okay, but talk quickly. The Doomsday's pretty fast, and he wants a speedy trial."

He nods as he leaves the room. "I will not take long."
Good. It's surely a matter of days before the whole thing gets underway, if not hours.

I watch as the door closes, and… Ugh. The fact that she's pregnant doesn't mean that she's not a mass murderer, however natural discomfort at the idea of executing a woman just after she's given birth is. And it's not just a matter of being on the bridge when the captain did it; she had his complete confidence and almost certainly took part in the planning process. She thought that bombarding a world from orbit was better than just loading a bunch of people into the ships they used to do it and heading off instead.
Admittedly, it would have been a lot more noticeable if they started shipping people offworld. Especially after a ban on doing just that.

Sure, trying to 100% percent a situation is tempting. Certainly worth trying in a game. But with actual people's lives, they'd-.

Ring, how accurate was Jor-El's projected timeline?
Reminds me of the 'ME1 infinite Morality loop'. One NPC encounter can be repeated to provide a continuous feed of Paragon and/or Renegade points for as long as you can stand to perform it. But imagine the NPC's point of view... 🤔

A summary of his reports appears in my mind. So… Within a month. If they had loaded up their system defence ships with Jor-El's admirers and set course for… Anywhere, what would have happened? Assuming that the Science Council even noticed, because the people operating the sensor network would have sided with Dru-Zod and it would be easy for them to just not report it for a while…
A big leap, but if it makes the hypotheticals easier...

They'd have sent Eradicators. If they could. Eradicators don't have built-in F.T.L.. So if Dru-Zod sabotaged their deployment ship… Could they build a new one inside a month? Probably. Would they bother?

I don't know.
Could well have seen the Science Council fume but sit on their hands.

And if they did and no one wanted to go back, how exactly would the Eradicators force them? If-.

If they went to a planet with a yellow sun, they could probably destroy the Eradicators. The Council Guard controlling them would give Dru-Zod a decent fight, but they'd lose to superior numbers.
Given that a lot of those aboard would be military service personnel... There would be a decent amount of combined experience there.

And then… They hold out for a month, and it stops being a problem.

Ex-cept, the only yellow star I know they knew about is Sol, and… I'm not sure that Dru-Zod bringing a posse to Earth would have been good for us. They could probably set up on the surface of Mars well enough… No, I think they'd go to Earth. A few hundred fully powered kryptonians turning up in the eighties…
There would still have been some superhumans about, but by and large, they weren't operating particularly openly...

Ah…

Probably best for us that they didn't.
...There also weren't a lot that could stand up to empowered Kryptonian soldiers.

The other place they could go was Timaron. I haven't gotten the impression that they really had a problem with their old overlords, and kryptonian technology was still more advanced than what they had. There would have been a major benefit to both parties.
But it would also be a likely place for the Science Council to look if they decided to engage in pursuit.

Or maybe… Maybe he didn't have enough support for something like that? Maybe he was having to lie to his subordinates about what they were doing and who they were arresting to make the coup happen at all? I don't know. I don't think he was lying to me but that doesn't mean that he was telling me the entirety of the truth.
Far too many unknowable variables involved. Theorycrafting is fine, but don't rely on it.

Hm. Okay, there's not really anything I can do here. I

step out, looking for the desire to mend the universe that characterises

Lantern Mother of Mercy.
Huh. Well, he moved on quickly. I suppose he doesn't have to be present the whole trip, after all.

"Illustres. Welcome"

I stand on the surface of her world, just under the fronds of one of her solar energy collectors. Looking up, I can see the surface of Timaron, and off to one side I see the small orange specs of the observers.
A terrifying sight for anyone with conventional perceptions of 'normal'.

"Orange Lantern Mother of Mercy. How goes it?"

"I am on schedule. The last of the volcanoes will be plugged by the end of the day. Then I will begin atmosphere filtration."
Swift work. She's giving them a real masterclass in geological and ecological manipulation.

"Good show. Mind if I watch for a bit?"

"I would enjoy your company."
If nothing else, he might get some ideas. About what, I'm not sure, but still...

I nod, walking towards the trunk of the solar collector and sitting down with my back against it.

"So what have you been up to?"
Heh. What do you talk about with a being big enough to cover a planet, after all?

Well, the pregnancy is confirmed, and being kept on the down-low for now. No doubt once Arnus reads up on the relevant passages of Timaronian law, a decision will be made to go public with it. 😏 Bit cheeky not to tell the father yet, but why worry him, eh? Seems like a good place to cut away to another alternate, anyway. Wonder who it'll be this time...

"I assume that General Dru-Xod is the father?"
"I assume that General Dru-Zod is the father?"
"Illustres. Welcome"
Missing Full Stop.
 
Lantern Mother of Mercy.

"Illustres. Welcome."

I stand on the surface of her world, just under the fronds of one of her solar energy collectors. Looking up, I can see the surface of Timaron, and off to one side I see the small orange specs of the observers.

"Orange Lantern Mother of Mercy. How goes it?"

"I am on schedule. The last of the volcanoes will be plugged by the end of the day. Then I will begin atmosphere filtration."

"
Good show. Mind if I watch for a bit?"

"I would enjoy your company."


I nod, walking towards the trunk of the solar collector and sitting down with my back against it.

"So what have you been up to?"


i love interactions with the truly unique Orange Lanterns. now i'm imagining a way that MoM lives up to her name and provides some kind of unique-to-her solution for the pregnancy. creating a birthing pod on herself, maybe. what this is making me realize is that i don't know nearly enough about what MoM's baseline powers/abilities/whatever are, let alone how they could be augmented by an Orange Ring. i know she's been acting as a kind of satellite for interstellar souls to get them to Hades, or am i misremembering that?

also, while i love what Lantern Son of Great Mother is doing on earth with infrastructure, but it makes me curious what LSoGM and MoM would think of each other, or how they might interact. i'm assuming they know about each other, or at least have the opportunity to learn about each other via Ring. i could see LSoGM being myopic and not looking her up, but i just feel like MoM is more sapient and curiousity might lead her to another Lantern that seemingly has a name inferring a built-in desire to serve a greater "Mother."

i dunno, but i enjoy the flights of fancy that this extended universe takes me on.
 

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