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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Venus isn't that visually different from Moon, so how come he didn't immediately clock where he was? Is some sort of mental influence happening right now? With the possessed local Paul being used as a vector? (the eyes that contacted his ring probably belong to the local dark Paul I guess).
 
She takes a deep breath to steady herself, stretching and loosening her muscles and wiping her eyes with her right hand. "We lost. Queen Metalia restored herself to full power, and-. And the world's falling apart."
The fuck!? The fuck did local Paul do!? Even in the anime, Metalia is a "rocks fall, everyone dies" planet killing dark god. I... legitimately don't know why there's anyone left alive on the planet at all right now, never mind try and fight back.

She glares at me. "She already killed you-! My you! My friends! She's flooding the planet with dark energy!" She calms down a little, still staring at me. "She is very hard to deal with."
Usagi's dead. Welp, even if they can find a way to stop Metalia, it doesn't really matter. While Wiseman/Death Phantom is butterflied away, there's still the Makai Tree, Pharaoh 90, Nehelenia and fucking Sailor Galaxia. Without Usagi there's no way to stop any of them, and even if they could, without Usagi there's no way for anyone to survive the Great Freeze. Earth is fucked.
 
The Senshi uniform is a leotard with some ribbons and a miniskirt. It's nothing remotely stripper-y unless you're particularly into one piece swimsuits and high heels.
So this Paul is part of Metallia's Vanguard? I never watched Sailor moon, so I have No idea what that means. Can this version be saved?
Metallia waking up is a "rocks fall, everyone dies" apocalypse. In canon, the first time Metallia was active caused the death of a magical kingdom covering the solar system and destroyed all evidence of that kingdom on Earth along with blasting them back into the stone age despite said kingdom being ruled by a goddess with a wish granting relic. The second time she was active instantly sent everyone on Earth (apart from the Senshi) into a murderous insanity that would have killed everyone if Sailor Moon didn't revive everyone.

Yeah, Sailor Moon kind of goes ham. There's a reason the SB "Sailor Moon vs the God-Emperor of Mankind" thread was a one sided roflstomp in favour of the girl with the ribbons.
 
Of course, with how my tattoos work, while it's doing that I'm absorbing a little of it right b-
He is picking up quite a lot of exotic stuff for his soul on this trip. Wonder if anything will come of it.

Ring, do I want to know how old she is?
To answer the asked question: Probably. Not knowing would not reassure you.
To answer the implied question: Mid teens. I think Moon and co were 14 in the first season so Venus should be somewhere in that general area. Which does go some way to explaining her actions. Teens are idiots.

this Queen Metalia person
This is getting odd. Paul absolutely knows about Sailor Moon because he made cosplay of it. I can buy him not recognising a live action version, at least briefly, but she has name-dropped enough people and things that he really should have realised where he is by now.
 
Venus isn't that visually different from Moon, so how come he didn't immediately clock where he was? Is some sort of mental influence happening right now?
No, no, I'm not putting up with pages of nonsesne speculation again. The SI is aware that Sailor Moon is a thing that exists, but couldn't name any of the characters, much less describe their costumes (other than Sailor Moon's) in detail. Plus, he is aware that that sort of thing became a standard look for a lot of Japanese magical girl series, so he isn't specifically associating this blonde Japanese girl with that.
"sends me" or "sending"
missing a preposition, perhaps. above? behind? beneath?
Thank you, corrected.
Tried to negotiate with and/or date Beryl?
No.
 
Wait until you work out how he doomed the world.
Snagged the Silver Crystal as a power source for his ring because he couldn't find a lantern, then got mind controlled into switching sides because he had no inherent magic resistance, giving Metalia easy access to the crystal?

(I know/remember about as much about Sailor Moon as the SI, so I'm mostly guessing based on the bits of context other commentary have provided)

It's not often we see a world where Paul's presence somehow made things worse instead of better.

The main YJ Earth? Maybe later seasons got worse; I didnt watch past the first few episodes of season three, but WTR's timeline hasn't gotten to when season two started, and between the Sheeda and the Anti-Life stuff, the SI's Earth is in way worse shape than canon YJ's Earth at that point.
 
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No, no, I'm not putting up with pages of nonsesne speculation again. The SI is aware that Sailor Moon is a thing that exists, but couldn't name any of the characters, much less describe their costumes (other than Sailor Moon's) in detail. Plus, he is aware that that sort of thing became a standard look for a lot of Japanese magical girl series, so he isn't specifically associating this blonde Japanese girl with that.


Thank you, corrected.

No.
The nonsense speculation is literally the entire point.
 
Usagi's dead. Welp, even if they can find a way to stop Metalia, it doesn't really matter. While Wiseman/Death Phantom is butterflied away, there's still the Makai Tree, Pharaoh 90, Nehelenia and fucking Sailor Galaxia. Without Usagi there's no way to stop any of them, and even if they could, without Usagi there's no way for anyone to survive the Great Freeze. Earth is fucked.

It's fine, resurrecting herself and her friends is a Tuesday for Usagi. Or well, it will be fine, presumably she just needs a little help.
 
Usagi's dead. Welp, even if they can find a way to stop Metalia, it doesn't really matter. While Wiseman/Death Phantom is butterflied away, there's still the Makai Tree, Pharaoh 90, Nehelenia and fucking Sailor Galaxia. Without Usagi there's no way to stop any of them, and even if they could, without Usagi there's no way for anyone to survive the Great Freeze. Earth is fucked.

Any chance that some of them could fight and take each other out?

Snagged the Silver Crystal as a power source for his ring because he couldn't find a lantern, then got mind controlled into switching sides because he had no inherent magic resistance, giving Metalia easy access to the crystal?

(I know/remember about as much about Sailor Moon as the SI, so I'm mostly guessing based on the bits of context other commentary have provided)

How would the Silver Crystal be a compatible power source for an orange ring, though? Am I missing something?

The main YJ Earth? Maybe later seasons got worse; I didnt watch past the first few episodes of season three, but WTR's timeline hasn't gotten to when season two started, and between the Sheeda and the Anti-Life stuff, the SI's Earth is in way worse shape than canon YJ's Earth at that point.

To be fair, the heroes still won against those threats, so I wouldn't really call it the worst case scenario.

Besides, those threats were all operating independently of Paul, so blaming him for them is unfair, because they would have still attacked Earth anyway even if he wasn't there.
 
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So we went from Might and Magic to Sailor Moon. Still hope Paul helps MMPaul out after solving this new issue. Also is Sailor Moon Paul or MM Paul one of the Paul's that were captured by Krona, and if so do they have "Yellow" Green Lantern rings?
 
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How would the Silver Crystal be a compatible power source for an orange ring, though? Am I missing something?
Some of the other alts have used local magical artifacts as power sources. And I think assimilation/conversion is probably on the table as well (didn't happen to change a green lantern to orange?). Like I said, I don't know much about Sailor Moon; I'm just wildly speculating and the Silver Crystal seemed to have a lot of different functions. Plus it was tied to Metalia.
 
Some of the other alts have used local magical artifacts as power sources. And I think assimilation/conversion is probably on the table as well (didn't happen to change a green lantern to orange?). Like I said, I don't know much about Sailor Moon; I'm just wildly speculating and the Silver Crystal seemed to have a lot of different functions. Plus it was tied to Metalia.

You don't think he tried to do something as dangerously reckless as assimilating the Silver Crystal, do you? Because if he did and succeeded, that would be disastrous.
 
There have been a lot of explanations given for what exactly the Silver Crystal is, even within the same Sailor Moon continuity. Sometimes it seems like it's "only" a magical artifact and sometimes it seems like it's basically Usagi's soul, not really separable from her. We get all this stuff about needing to locate the Silver Crystal like it's a lost artifact, and then sometimes Usagi can just cry it out as a tear.

I don't know what Zoat will go with exactly, but my best take is that Usagi and the Silver Crystal are the same thing. Her existence as a human is a manifestation of the crystal's power and sapience. Sometimes the human being and the rock can physically separate and she can even hand the rock to someone else, but they're never distinct entities. The old Silver Millennium Queen had a magic artifact called the Silver Crystal and a daughter called Serenity... but both of those were actually the same thing on some level.

Like I said, just my take.
 
Snagged the Silver Crystal as a power source for his ring because he couldn't find a lantern, then got mind controlled into switching sides because he had no inherent magic resistance, giving Metalia easy access to the crystal?

(I know/remember about as much about Sailor Moon as the SI, so I'm mostly guessing based on the bits of context other commentary have provided)
No. I don't think the Silver Crystal even existed in the conventional sense when he arrived. It had to be reassembled or something.
The main YJ Earth? Maybe later seasons got worse; I didnt watch past the first few episodes of season three, but WTR's timeline hasn't gotten to when season two started, and between the Sheeda and the Anti-Life stuff, the SI's Earth is in way worse shape than canon YJ's Earth at that point.
Completely true.
The nonsense speculation is literally the entire point.
It's not speculation I mind, it's that despite me specifically saying 'no, he really doesn't know much about Sailor Moon (the series)', several people have assumed that something's up with that.
Any chance that some of them could fight and take each other out?
Yes, but there won't be much left of the Earth to appreciate it.
How would the Silver Crystal be a compatible power source for an orange ring, though? Am I missing something?
He could use it to tap into the Galaxy Cauldron. That would power him quite nicely.
To be fair, the heroes still won against those threats, so I wouldn't really call it the worst case scenario.

Besides, those threats were all operating independently of Paul, so blaming him for them is unfair, because they would have still attacked Earth anyway even if he wasn't there.
I like to think of it as Byronic; though he's tried to improve things and help people, and in some areas genuinely has, the overall situation is worse than if he hadn't bothered. The Sheeda Harvest happened early because of him, and Mannheim got powered up because the Forever People couldn't stop him. Those weren't things that he meant to happen, but they did happen because of him.
 
Who wants to bet that this mess happened because of Paul's fetish for supervillains?

He tried to redeem Beryl only for it to backfire.
 
I like to think of it as Byronic; though he's tried to improve things and help people, and in some areas genuinely has, the overall situation is worse than if he hadn't bothered. The Sheeda Harvest happened early because of him, and Mannheim got powered up because the Forever People couldn't stop him. Those weren't things that he meant to happen, but they did happen because of him.

I disagree. Again, Darkseid and the Sheeda would still have tried to target Earth even if Paul wasn't there, so saying that he's responsible for them is nonsense. Regardless of when those events happen, a massacre is still a massacre, and it would have been a much bigger massacre if Paul hadn't been around. Also, there's other times in the story where Paul ended up saving the day too. Some examples:

Remember how Kon was only able to stop Oceanus because he had Helios' power? Paul is indirectly responsible for him worshipping Helios because he was the one who convinced Diana to adopt Kon, and in then convinced Kon to worship Helios in the first place, so if Paul hadn't been there, Oceanus's rampage would have lasted much longer and many more people would have died, because Kon wouldn't have had Oceanus' blessing. Without Paul, the body count for Oceanus's rampage could have potentially reached the nine digit range.

Then, there's also the whole business with Sabbac and Fawcett City. If Paul hadn't been there to intervene, then Sabbac and his sponsors would have succeeded in killing the Marvel Family, and they would have had an even harder time fighting off the demonic invasion, because without Paul, there would be no Adom or Constantine to back them up either, and no Sword of Beowulf to save Billy, which means that the entire population of Fawcett City would have been decimated.

Then, there's all the space stuff. Before Paul came along and helped found the Orange Lantern Corps, the Controllers were losing the war, but now that they have a Lantern Corps ans L.E.G.I.O.N., they actually have a chance to succeed. Also, the war between the various criminal factions of Vega would still be ongoing, with all the bloodshed that implies, and the eye-stealing religion would have never been dismantled either.

Want me to keep going? Because I can.

I mean... we know that he did in fact doom the world somehow. So "disastrous" seems apropos?

Yeah, but I mean it in the sense that, if memory serves right, the crystal is the only thing on Earth that could stop Metalia. So if Paul turned it orange with avarice, its properties could be altered and things might get messy.
 
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I know, right? It's not often we see a world where Paul's presence somehow made things worse instead of better.

Either he'll have to find a way to revive the Sailor Scouts and then give them a do-over, or pit Metalia against an entity that would be powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with her.
It wouldn't have been hard.

The Sailor Scouts only won because the Dark Kingdom treated them like a joke until it was too late. A Paul going on the attack with his normal attitude would have flipped that paradigm on its head resulting in the Dark Kingdom actually treating them like a real threat instead of a minor annoyance.
 
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The lack of any color on the possessiveness is interesting

Yes, nobody is considering that maybe, just maybe, Minako is just overjoyed and relieved to finally find an ally after spending god knows how long fighting against Metalia's forces all by herself with no one to rely on. I'd feel the same way.

It wouldn't have been hard.

The Sailor Scouts only won because the Dark Kingdom treated them like a joke until it was too late. A Paul going on the attack with his normal attitude would have flipped that paradigm on its head resulting in the Dark Kingdom actually treating them like a real threat instead of a minor annoyance.

Maybe the Dark Kingdom operates on the same logic as Power Rangers villains? I recall one episode of the later seasons (Time Force, I think) where one of the main villain's minions asks him why he keeps sending one monster at a time to fight the Rangers instead of sending an army of monsters to wipe them out, and the main villain says that it's because while he's powerful enough to dominate and control one monster, if he tried to use more than one monster at a time, he may lose control of them and they may try to rebel against him.
 
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To answer the asked question: Probably. Not knowing would not reassure you.
To answer the implied question: Mid teens. I think Moon and co were 14 in the first season so Venus should be somewhere in that general area. Which does go some way to explaining her actions. Teens are idiots.
Minako is actually a year younger than Usagi, she's 12 during Codename: Sailor V, and 13 during the Dark Kingdom and Black Moon arcs.
 
I disagree. Again, Darkseid and the Sheeda would still have tried to target Earth even if Paul wasn't there, so saying that he's responsible for them is nonsense. Regardless of when those events happen, a massacre is still a massacre, and it would have been a much bigger massacre if Paul hadn't been around. Also, there's other times in the story where Paul ended up saving the day too. Some examples:
Oh certainly. But the Light were actually quite good at Darkseid management, and the Sheeda haven't attacked by... Whatever series canon is on.
Remember how Kon was only able to stop Oceanus because he had Helios' power? Paul is indirectly responsible for him worshipping Helios because he was the one who convinced Diana to adopt Kon, and in then convinced Kon to worship Helios in the first place, so if Paul hadn't been there, Oceanus's rampage would have lasted much longer and many more people would have died, because Kon wouldn't have had Oceanus' blessing. Without Paul, the body count for Oceanus's rampage could have potentially reached the nine digit range.
Except... The Oceanus thing only happened because he captured Ocean Master, leading to his execution. Canonically, Ocean Master escaped, achieved little, and was eventually killed by Lady Shiva.
Then, there's also the whole business with Sabbac and Fawcett City. If Paul hadn't been there to intervene, then Sabbac and his sponsors would have succeeded in killing the Marvel Family, and they would have had an even harder time fighting off the demonic invasion, because without Paul, there would be no Adom or Constantine to back them up either, and no Sword of Beowulf to save Billy, which means that the entire population of Fawcett City would have been decimated.
Except... That whole thing was started by Colin Thornton. Who did it because he was being courted as a Klarion-replacement.
Then, there's all the space stuff. Before Paul came along and helped found the Orange Lantern Corps, the Controllers were losing the war, but now that they have a Lantern Corps and L.E.G.I.O.N., they actually have a chance to succeed. Also, the war between the various criminal factions of Vega would still be ongoing, with all the bloodshed that implies, and the eye-stealing religion would have never been dismantled either.
That's true. Doesn't help Earth and has resulted in more people dying in the short term, but is a genuine improvement to the state of the galaxy in the longer term.
 

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