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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

OL's penchant for supervillain wrangling seems to have carried over quite well to being a wasteland negotiator.
Warlords are typically somewhat more stable and reasonable people than supervillains, as if a warlord is completely unhinged they tend to come down with a sudden case of knife in the back from one of their more reasonable subordinates.
 
Explain? This sounds amusing.
World Cup semifinals, on Wednesday, England vs Argentina, England was 1-0, and they "turtled in", went all defense, also called "parking the bus". Argentina is a high offense team , they had good control of the ball and kept fighting for the equalizing goal. Argentina won 2-1...

Most England fans are furious with the bad decision to play like that...
(Not touching the subject anymore, too much derail already)
 
Existence outside the mortal world as some kind of force ghost and god speaking to/through prophets are both pretty tame beliefs as far as religion goes, and neither of those are the primary reason the other Christians view them negatively. Since im not a theologian or an evangelist I can't definitely say which belief in particular is most egregious to other people, but i would bet its about its founder, origins, and scandals more than the actual doctrinal differences.
All of this except the scandals are really old news at this point. Their doctrine has changed many times since then. They went from polygamy to just forbidding caffeine. It's the close knit cultural structure resembling an MLM and the way they form actual MLMs that are weird, as well as the cultish behavior that contributes to in some towns, like in the recent Bricks N Minifigs scandal where among other possibly more egregious things it turned out their chains aren't licensed LEGO distributors. Also, some of them write weird somewhat misogynistic fantasy that's inspired by their religious beliefs like Twilight and whatever Shad of Shadiversity wrote, but that mostly just gets them a sideways glance.
 
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All of this except the scandals are really old news at this point. Their doctrine has changed many times since then. They went from polygamy to just forbidding caffeine. It's the close knit cultural structure resembling an MLM and the way they form actual MLMs that are weird, as well as the cultish behavior that contributes to in some towns, like in the recent Bricks N Minifigs scandal where among other possibly more egregious things it turned out their chains aren't licensed LEGO distributors. Also, some of them write weird somewhat misogynistic fantasy that's inspired by their religious beliefs like Twilight and whatever Shad of Shadiversity wrote, but that mostly just gets them a sideways glance.

They also have a tendency to do the weird offensive thing of baptizing dead people into their religion via people who are already member, Anne Frank of Diary fame has been baptized by them at least three time.
 
Schooled (part 5) New
21st September 2013
08:58 GMT -5

"Morning, campers!" Oliver raises his coffee mug in greeting as I walk into the Mountain's kitchen. I look left and see Zatanna walk in from the direction of the hangar. "All ready for the big day?"

I shrug. "My.. birthday was four days ago?"

Oliver starts. "No one told-? Ah, great."

Zatanna shakes her head. "We're taking on new students."

"Ah… This is supposed to be the place for training new superheroes." Though I didn't… Think that Batman had picked up Jason Todd yet. And honestly between the yellow ring and the general change in his demeanour that might never happen now. Actually… I don't think that the League members have any apprentices who aren't already on the team. "Who?"

"Yeah, that's the thing." Oliver puts his mug down on the sideboard. "Because of how the League doing more work… Everywhere… It would be a big help if everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet."

"Are you-?" My mouth drops open as I consider the implication. "You're actually adopting the 'Big League' model?"

He looks mildly uncomfortable. "I wouldn't go.. quite that far. But I… Guess you're… Not too far wrong."

"Well, this is definitely worth your time. And I completely understand you putting this ahead of my chocolate company. So are you taking over den mother duties?"

"I.. prefer 'Principal', but yeah, basically."

"That's an optimal use of your abilities." I smile broadly, while he's just smiling awkwardly. "I'm genuinely impressed. I'm not used to this. So are they doing the same…"

I glance at Zatanna, who doesn't look anything like as excited as I am.

"The same rotating tuition thing we had?"

Oliver looks a little awkward. "Ah… No. We're mostly leaving it to you guys."

"Us guys?"

Zatanna nods. "Everyone from the first year who's not going to college."

Huh. I've been… Helping with training the Supergirls and Ak-Var already, so it's not like this is far outside of my wheelhouse. And my Lanterns, of course.

"So we're basically picking up from the Alliance of the Just?"

Oliver shakes his head. "No, we're… Not going quite that wide. Yet. Maybe once things are calmed down all the way and we can do proper vetting… But that whole thing showed that there's a… A real big demand for that kinda thing."

I raise my eyebrows and smile at him.

He takes a deep breath in, and then lets it out. "Alright. What?"

"Remember when you asked how you could untake over the world?"

Zatanna frowns. "Huh?"

Oliver looks increasingly uncomfortable. "Yeah..?"

"So you've given up on that? We're just going for full world conquest?" I clap my hands together and then rub them against each other. "Good show! But remember, if you want a particular continent, don't put you bid in last or you might get stuck with Australia."

Zatanna stares at me. "Wait, I thought that was just you saying something stupid on camera again. Were you serious about that?"

"It's not a matter of whether I'm serious about it or not. It's about whether the League is."

"Ah…" Oliver's visibly wincing. "We're not.. 'take over the world' serious."

"Well you should take it seriously; you're taking responsibility for the lives of five billion people."

"You know that wasn't what I meant."

"I think it was what you meant, I just don't think you meant to say it."

Zatanna puts her hands on her hips. "Could one of you please fill me in?"

"Global government collapsed, the League took over. Global militaries were crushed or suborned, the League took over. Currencies collapsed, the League took over-."

Oliver points to me. "The medallions were your idea."

"Yes, but I couldn't have put them into practice. The fact is, everything that central governments are supposed to do, the League is increasingly taking over. Because no one else was doing it and the League is in a position to do so. And that massively undermines governments, because what's the point of reconstituting them when the League does it all better, cheaper and easier? And the only thing holding it back was the lack of manpower."

Oliver bows his head.

"Because it's really only Batman-with-power-ring and Mister Atom who can manage the entirety of human civilisation. But there are a few more people in the world who can think on that level, or build machines which can, or can handle smaller areas… And the League doesn't need much more brute force due to the OMACs, but there's room for more specialised skills. And League members can't really take time away from their official League duties and secret identities, but members of our team are nothing like as renowned so we don't have the political or diplomatic value and do genuinely know enough to teach the new people the basics… And it probably does need someone from the League overseeing it, and you've got the time because you don't work for me anymore!"

"Okay!" Oliver claps his hands together. "Zatanna!"

She looks a little bewildered. "This is the first I'm hearing about this. Is that..? True?"

"From a… Certain.. point of view."

She thinks for a moment, and then nods. "Alright."

"Ah. Alright?"

Zatanna shrugs. "I like the idea of Batman running America better than the idea of Horne or Knight doing it. I know how China treated it's metahumans until they lost control of their Gobi Desert prison, and I know how corrupt the Russian government is. So if Batman's taking over the world, I think that's a good thing."

Oliver mantles his eyes with his left hand. "Oh… God."

"So is there a lesson plan, or are we working on that today, or is it more of a mentoring thing?"

Oliver takes a moment, and then lowers his left hand. "The plan… Was, that you'd have two or three of the new kids you'd mentor, and you'd rotate doing group classes. And suddenly I'm not sure that's a great idea."

Zatanna smiles brightly. "No, I think it's a great idea."

I nod enthusiastically. "Excited to be a part of it. I'll make sure that my classes cover logistics and economics, so that the future world-controllers have what they need in order to succeed."

Oliver bows his head again.

"Okay, Paul, tell me straight: have you filled in for my old job yet?"

"Afraid so."

A deep breath-. A lot of people have been taking those around me lately. I wonder if there's a flu or something going around? "Right, okay. Let's go grab the others and look though the new recruits."
 
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Poor Oliver. He's having that moment Mister Atom had from the other side. "Why was taking over the world so easy I was trying NOT to do that??"

Plus the obligatory 'Paul thinks this a great idea what did I do wrong' double take :V
 
abilities." I smiling broadly,

"smile"

abilities." I smiling broadly, while he's just smiling awkwardly.
Lots of people smile like that around you.
But remember, if you want a particular continent, don't put you bid in last or you might get stuck with Australia."

Or worse, England.

Wet weather, terrible food and everyone has crooked teeth and will steal anything that isn't nailed down.

Zatanna stares at me. "Wait, I thought that was just you saying something stupid on camera again. Were you serious about that

It can be difficult to tell with him.

. Is that..? True?"

"From a… Certain.. point of view."

Now all he needs is a brown robe and a hit claymation cartoon.

And suddenly I'm not sure that's a great idea."

Zatanna smiles brightly. "No, I think it's a great idea."

I nod enthusiastically. "Excited to be a part of it.

Your enthusiasm for it is not helping him.

"Okay, Paul, tell me straight: have you filled in for my old job yet

Already missing being a discount Willy Wonka?

A deep breath-. A lot of people have been taking those around me lately. I wonder if there's a flu or something going around

I'm sure there are plenty of people that consider you to be a plague on their lives.
 
Lovely chapter! Paul's enthusiasm for a self-actualized Justice League finally admitting they run the show is delicious.

I nod enthusiastically. "Excited to be a part of it. I'll make sure that my classes cover logistics and economics, so that the future world-controllers have what they need in order to succeed."
Be careful Paul, if you keep poking him you're liable to make a hole and he'll start deflating.
"Okay, Paul, tell me straight: have you filled in for my old job yet?"

"Afraid so."

A deep breath-. A lot of people have been taking those around me lately. I wonder if there's a flu or something going around?
Oh no, too late!
 
I really hope the Justice League can basically just take over the world like Paul says they should and not worry about people wanting their corrupt governments back in power.
 
Now I'm really excited about this episode and way less enthusiastic about the Fallout interruptions.

I think Oly is one of the few that Paul has explicitely explained how the League is taking over the world but still didn't want to acknowledge it. I think this conversation might have changed that; he might not like it, but he is part of the organization in charge of the planet, better accept the responsability upfront rather than keep the "aw, shucks" coping attitude.

However, I'm still worried about the possibility that Batman has gone Brother Eye and whatever the heck stupid Anarky and his pals are doing. If it wasn't for those 2 things, I would be way more hyped about the League taking over the world.

Now let's get some new heroes rolling!
 
21st September 2013
08:58 GMT -5


"Morning, campers!" Oliver raises his coffee mug in greeting as I walk into the Mountain's kitchen. I look left and see Zatanna walk in from the direction of the hangar. "All ready for the big day?"

I shrug. "My.. birthday was four days ago?"
I suppose Bir Tiwali is feeling a bit crowded with all the orange Lanterns on site, awkwardness of the ladies' misunderstanding aside. And Justice Mountain always has such a homey feeling, even with so few people present.

Oliver starts. "No one told-? Ah, great."

Zatanna shakes her head. "We're taking on new students."
Good, that explains the 'school' joke Shayera made. So, then, a new generation of the team. Wonder how many kids from the canonical season 2 will appear.

"Ah… This is supposed to be the place for training new superheroes." Though I didn't… Think that Batman had picked up Jason Todd yet. And honestly between the yellow ring and the general change in his demeanour that might never happen now. Actually… I don't think that the League members have any apprentices who aren't already on the team. "Who?"
At least he's not likely to get killed by the Joker even if he does become a cape.

"Yeah, that's the thing." Oliver puts his mug down on the sideboard. "Because of how the League doing more work… Everywhere… It would be a big help if everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet."

"Are you-?" My mouth drops open as I consider the implication. "You're actually adopting the 'Big League' model?"
Ala 'Justice League unlimited'? Smaller field teams of five to seven, drawn from suitable mission-related skill-sets? It does mean the Thanagarian shuttles will see use at least.

He looks mildly uncomfortable. "I wouldn't go.. quite that far. But I… Guess you're… Not too far wrong."

"Well, this is definitely worth your time. And I completely understand you putting this ahead of my chocolate company. So are you taking over den mother duties?"
I'm sure Red Tornado has been busy with other matters.

"I.. prefer 'Principal', but yeah, basically."

"That's an optimal use of your abilities." I smile broadly, while he's just smiling awkwardly. "I'm genuinely impressed. I'm not used to this. So are they doing the same…"
Heh, this is going to be an interesting experience for Ollie. He's not used to kids, is he? Especially super-powered ones, where every little thing is so much bigger.

I glance at Zatanna, who doesn't look anything like as excited as I am.

"The same rotating tuition thing we had?"
For that matter, how many students at a time are they going to be managing?

Oliver looks a little awkward. "Ah… No. We're mostly leaving it to you guys."

"Us guys?"

Zatanna nods. "Everyone from the first year who's not going to college."
I can assume Zatanna will be training rookies in magical recognition and defence procedure.

Huh. I've been… Helping with training the Supergirls and Ak-Var already, so it's not like this is far outside of my wheelhouse. And my Lanterns, of course.

"So we're basically picking up from the Alliance of the Just?"
That would be an easy source of young and rookie heroes looking for more advanced skills than what the Alliance can provide.

Oliver shakes his head. "No, we're… Not going quite that wide. Yet. Maybe once things are calmed down all the way and we can do proper vetting… But that whole thing showed that there's a… A real big demand for that kinda thing."

I raise my eyebrows and smile at him.
Try to hold back the satisfied chuckling until after you're out of earshot, OL.

He takes a deep breath in, and then lets it out. "Alright. What?"

"Remember when you asked how you could untake over the world."
Ah, that relies on the world's governments being able to take up the slack sooner rather than later.

Zatanna frowns. "Huh?"

Oliver looks increasingly uncomfortable. "Yeah..?"
And Ollie's already having misgivings about this idea, isn't he?

"So you've given up on that? We're just going for full world conquest?" I clap my hands together and then rub them against each other. "Good show! But remember, if you want a particular continent, don't put you bid in last or you might get stuck with Australia."

Zatanna stares at me. "Wait, I thought that was just you saying something stupid on camera again. Were you serious about that?"
It could be worse, you could be posted to Justice League Antarctica.

"It's not a matter of whether I'm serious about it or not. It's about whether the League is."

"Ah…" Oliver's visibly wincing. "We're not.. 'take over the world' serious."
Why not? 😏

"Well you should take it seriously; you're taking responsibility for the lives of five billion people."

"You know that wasn't what I meant."
True, standing as Earth's guardians in the eyes of the interstellar community does kind of carry that weight.

"I think it was what you meant, I just don't think you meant to say it."

Zatanna puts her hands on her hips. "Could one of you please fill me in?"
Around OL, you've got to really be careful with your wording...

"Global government collapsed, the League took over. Global militaries were crushed or suborned, the League took over. Currencies collapsed, the League took over-."

Oliver points to me. "The medallions were your idea."
But he didn't stick around to implement them, did he?

"Yes, but I couldn't have put them into practice. The fact is, everything that central governments are supposed to do, the League is increasingly taking over. Because no one else was doing it and the League is in a position to do so. And that massively undermines governments, because what's the point of reconstituting them when the League does it all better, cheaper and easier? And the only thing holding it back was the lack of manpower."
The problem is expansion, though. There's plenty of comics stories where someone infiltrates the team during a recruitment drive or publicity affair. And recruiting from government-backed superteams comes with the issue of said capes retaining loyalty to their nation first.

Oliver bows his head.

"Because it's really only Batman-with-power-ring and Mister Atom who can manage the entirety of human civilisation. But there are a few more people in the world who can think on that level, or build machines which can, or can handle smaller areas… And the League doesn't need much more brute force due to the OMACs, but there's room for more specialised skills. And League members can't really take time away from their official League duties and secret identities, but members of our team are nothing like as renowned so we don't have the political or diplomatic value and do genuinely know enough to teach the new people the basics… And it probably does need someone from the League overseeing it, and you've got the time because you don't work for me anymore!"
And thus it all works out thusly.

"Okay!" Oliver claps his hands together. "Zatanna!"

She looks a little bewildered. "This is the first I'm hearing about this. Is that..? True?"

"From a… Certain.. point of view."
Thank you, Obi-Wan. And sadly, most of the League still don't really seem to have internalised the facts...

She thinks for a moment, and then nods. "Alright."

"Ah. Alright?"
Hey, she's gone along with OL's plans before, is this so surprising?

Zatanna shrugs. "I like the idea of Batman running America better than the idea of Horne or Knight doing it. I know how China treated it's metahumans until they lost control of their Gobi Desert prison, and I know how corrupt the Russian government is. So if Batman's taking over the world, I think that's a good thing."
The problem is they're neither trained in how to manage it, nor particular interested in doing so except out of civic responsibility.

Oliver mantles his eyes with his left hand. "Oh… God."

"So is there a lesson plan, or are we working on that today, or is it more of a mentoring thing?"
Ah, thank goodness, moving on from the hard questions.

Oliver takes a moment, and then lowers his left hand. "The plan… Was, that you'd have two or three of the new kids you'd mentor, and you'd rotate doing group classes. And suddenly I'm not sure that's a great idea."

Zatanna smiles brightly. "No, I think it's a great idea."
It'll expose them to plenty of different routes for heroing, From Robin's detective thing to OL's... Everything... 😨

I nod enthusiastically. "Excited to be a part of it. I'll make sure that my classes cover logistics and economics, so that the future world-controllers have what they need in order to succeed."

Oliver bows his head again.

"Okay, Paul, tell me straight: have you filled in for my old job yet?"
He's really wondering if he made the right choice accepting this position, isn't he?

"Afraid so."

A deep breath-. A lot of people have been taking those around me lately. I wonder if there's a flu or something going around? "Right, okay. Let's go grab the others and look though the new recruits."
...Really, OL?

At least, with any luck, we'll get to see prospective recruits tomorrow. This is a great way to delve into the teen hero scene of the DC Universe, even as presented in 'Young Justice' form. It'll also be fascinating to see what each Team member could teach them. Some are easy, like Robin and proper investigative techniques... Others, not so much.
 
Zatanna shrugs. "I like the idea of Batman running America better than the idea of Horne or Knight doing it. I know how China treated it's metahumans until they lost control of their Gobi Desert prison, and I know how corrupt the Russian government is. So if Batman's taking over the world, I think that's a good thing."

Oliver mantles his eyes with his left hand. "Oh… God."

America: the democrats are politically incompetent (Horne managed to turn a sure-win re-election into a fair fight) and beholden to oligarchs, and still hurt people for imperialism. The republicans are fiscally incompetent and monstrously corrupt (Luthor noted Knight agreed with whoever spoke with him last, and was easy to buy), even before recent events (just look over the last 50 years).
China: good at long-term planning, but totalitarian and like to slaughter their own people when they protest, and crush free speech to the point of hiding that pandemics are starting, preventing responses. And in this timeline, they have open meta human concentration camps, as well as death squads.
Russia: less oligarch-corruption than Prime, since the Personification of Russia is actively working on his own government… but it's still Russia.

I can see why Zatanna would prefer Batman, even hopped up on Fear juice and Fear Smilex. And that's rather the problem, isn't it?


Also, yay! Ollie has to deal with this, and it looks like Zatanna and at least some of the team (Wally, since he's avoiding college?) will be returning to the stage!

Zatanna smiles brightly. "No, I think it's a great idea."

I nod enthusiastically. "Excited to be a part of it. I'll make sure that my classes cover logistics and economics, so that the future world-controllers have what they need in order to succeed."

Oliver bows his head again.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I mean, this is clearly how the Legion of Superheroes has to deal with the Science Police and whatever, and Paul himself has a ton of blind spots when it comes to authoritarianism in general, so I expect police brutality and other corrupted institutionalisms to creep in without Grayven's god-powers keeping everything clean. But at least they'll get to have fun with telepaths!
 
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Thank you, corrected.
Or worse, England.

Wet weather, terrible food and everyone has crooked teeth and will steal anything that isn't nailed down.
We're not a continent. And I'll take unergonomic teeth over government mandated paedophile adoption, Germany.
I feel like OL is taking the piss.
...

No. Surely not.
Now I'm really excited about this episode and way less enthusiastic about the Fallout interruptions.
Eh, there's only two more to go.
 
Russia: less oligarch-corruption than Prime, since the Personification of Russia is actively working on his own government… but it's still Russia.
OK, that sounds familiar, but I'm blanking on which episode it's from. Help?

We're not a continent. And I'll take unergonomic teeth over government mandated paedophile adoption, Germany.
... what. Can this be explained without going into Rule 8?
 
21st September 2013
08:58 GMT -5
I had been wondering why they would encourage OL, who is very far from a model league hero, to be part of the teaching staff. Now it is clear that Batman decided OL was perfect for teaching the new ruler-heroes and didn't bother telling the rest of the league about the curriculum.

Wonder if Oliver realises that everyone on The Team will happily follow Paul's example.
 

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