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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Well that was interesting, I like how you handled Graven talking to a super genius child, not condescending, but not being walked over either. One reference confused me though, how are Chinese soldiers going to be turned into social Trojan horses, and how is that a move taken from WWZ's Cuba? Just showing a handful of soldiers the benefits of living in a capitalist democracy wouldn't make a huge dent in a population as large as China's (Chinese students at American universities would serve a similar role if they were), and Cuba only became democratic due to the huge number of American immigrants eventually exerting influence on Cuban culture. Am I grossly underestimating the size of Luthor's space corps, or does Graven have something a little more potent planned?
 
AtomicGeneral25 said:
Well that was interesting, I like how you handled Graven talking to a super genius child, not condescending, but not being walked over either. One reference confused me though, how are Chinese soldiers going to be turned into social Trojan horses, and how is that a move taken from WWZ's Cuba? Just showing a handful of soldiers the benefits of living in a capitalist democracy wouldn't make a huge dent in a population as large as China's (Chinese students at American universities would serve a similar role if they were), and Cuba only became democratic due to the huge number of American immigrants eventually exerting influence on Cuban culture. Am I grossly underestimating the size of Luthor's space corps, or does Graven have something a little more potent planned?
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Also, China has a policy of covertly "influencing" any expatriates that start to reach a certain level of prominence. Unless his plan is to get the Chinese Space Navy expats to launch a coup, I think he'll probably be disappointed, barring the use of New God magic (possibly in concert with Scott Free).

I think we might be getting a bit close to breaking the "no politics" rule, though.
 
Mquz said:
For clarification, what does it mean outside of the anime fandom?
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I'm just gonna note that topic has been argued to death and back to the point where it tends to invite modly wrath due to the flame wars that tend to ensue.
nick012000 said:
Also, China has a policy of covertly "influencing" any expatriates that start to reach a certain level of prominence. Unless his plan is to get the Chinese Space Navy expats to launch a coup, I think he'll probably be disappointed, barring the use of New God magic (possibly in concert with Scott Free).

I think we might be getting a bit close to breaking the "no politics" rule, though.
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Little bit, but everyone's being reasonable so I see no reason to start whipping out the big bad modvoice just yet.
 
TheMidnightRook said:
I'm fully aware that that should be "I'm fully aware".
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Thank you, corrected.
AtomicGeneral25 said:
Well that was interesting, I like how you handled Graven talking to a super genius child, not condescending, but not being walked over either. One reference confused me though, how are Chinese soldiers going to be turned into social Trojan horses, and how is that a move taken from WWZ's Cuba? Just showing a handful of soldiers the benefits of living in a capitalist democracy wouldn't make a huge dent in a population as large as China's (Chinese students at American universities would serve a similar role if they were), and Cuba only became democratic due to the huge number of American immigrants eventually exerting influence on Cuban culture. Am I grossly underestimating the size of Luthor's space corps, or does Graven have something a little more potent planned?
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He's thinking very long term.
 
Mquz said:
Since he's not a citizen, he could be classified as a foreign national helping a president be elected.
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There is probably a difference between clandestine influence peddling or monetary shenanigans and public commentary.
Finding out the local I can't believe it's not Russia is covertly spending money in what looks like (or more importantly can be spun by the opposing side and made to look like) an attempt to buy an election is a different beast than someone influential there saying publicly their beliefs about the candidates.

Sceptic said:
Why not? Collect the whole set.
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Isn't the whole set of Governor-Generals basically Canada and Australia?
 
I wonder if the Renegade is going to offer him a Orange Ring, like the Paragon planned to.
 
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Mquz said:
For clarification, what does it mean outside of the anime fandom?
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In the general world "trap" is a slur referring to MtF trans people, the implication being that a person thinks they're dating a woman when it's suddenly revealed that their romantic partner is actually a man. I'm sure that you can understand why that sort of thing would be infuriating for trans people.

Now, since going further than just defining the term would run directly into the rule against modern politics, what with trans rights being a current political thing, I would advise leaving it at that.
 
Buggy123 said:
I hope this is a live program, or at least has a favorable editor. It could still go pretty badly for him if they edit it right.
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Is probably live, and honesty, Grayven has so many ways to prove if a footage is false or edited that's ridiculous.

Considering how much Marvel overuses the whole "frame someone for something, usually Spiderman" it would be Interesting to see what Oh El in Marvel fid during Civil War of he couldn't prevent it. Probably go off planet to fight that big threat that was happening at the same time.
 
Aeess said:
I wonder if the Renegade is going to offer him a Orange Ring, like the Paragon planned to.
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And Grayven is the bad guy why again? Grayven might have experimented with himself but he had a power ring in case things went wrong, this kid ends experimenting with his own brain without having experimented on others first to make sure the procedure is as safe as possible. And without having taken enough precautions to mitigate or solve any problems if things go wrong.

Not to mention is the BRAIN, together with hormones and the spinal cord nervous system is what determines how we think and behave.

At least certain Decepticon that turned off his emotions always had the reason to turn them back on, depending on continuity.
 
SirKaid said:
Now, since going further than just defining the term would run directly into the rule against modern politics, what with trans rights being a current political thing, I would advise leaving it at that.
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Seconded. Or thirded since we have a mod saying essentially the same thing above.

Pinklestia said:
And Grayven is the bad guy why again?
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Um....he's not and never has been. He's impulsive and occasionally more violent than the Justice League likes, but that's a heck of a long way from being "the bad guy" in most books.
 
Stsword said:
Look up Earth 23.
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*does so* o_O
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Sometimes I find myself quite happy with giving up on comics years ago...
 
Guys from Gotham (part 18)
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    01:43 GMT -5

    Still not coming out.

    Okay, sitting inside a warded area is actually a pretty good plan. The area around the warehouse is empty enough that there's clearly no way it could escape without me noticing. And if I enter the warehouse facility then it might be able to exit through one of the doors, or the ventilation-

    Still not coming out.

    -or just through a gap in the walls or the roof. The wraith is looking, but I'm not confident of its ability to locate an intelligent object that is actively trying to hide from it inside an internally warded building. I can't leave a drone up here while I search myself because I don't have a drone that could reliably spot a shapeshifter that was making an effort.

    Still-.

    Right! That's it! Gotham doesn't have street magicians and the wards wouldn't stop a serious magician anyway.

    I open my eyes, needing to see even the tiniest flicker of emotion within the warehouse. The whole building wavers in my vision for a moment, then snaps back with a tiny orange glow… Tiny orange glows, but those are rats and other minor pests. Only one stands out as a sophont mind. It's hiding… In the main warehouse. Now I don't have to worry about the wards I can easily detect it by ring scan; it's pretending to be some sort of rag doll. The wraith begins flying in its direction with a renewed hunger, but I shake my head.

    I transition into the building. Though this facility is new, most of it predates its current usage. There is more than enough room for me to trace an unobstructed line between myself and my target. The doll doesn't move as I and its greater whole appear, and doesn't have time to as I grab it and dump it into the mud ball with the rest of it.

    "This has been a long and annoying night. Reform. Now."

    The doll swiftly dissolves, the shape and then the colours of the 'fabric' merging with the rest of the mass, the doll's face merging with the formerly-vacant mudface. The more complex lights are still there, growing in complexity as whatever it was trying to do to shut itself down stops.

    The face shrinks, rising from the surface of the mud and becoming noticeably more feminine as it extrudes. Still too misshapen to easily identify as any person in my database, assuming that this being is foolish enough to use its original face.

    "Please let me go."

    "As I told your lesser half, you're under arrest. It is extremely unlikely that I will let you go."

    "Please."

    "Oh, well since you asked so nicely a second t-. No. What happened to Charles Adelsen?"

    "I don't know."

    "Uh-huh."

    "I was.. given pictures. I was told who he was. I was given recordings of his speech. I never met him myself."

    "And who gave you those pictures?"

    "Kobra."

    "Plausible. Which part?"

    "Lady Eve."

    Not a well known name, outside of intelligence circles. Still, hardly conclusive. She doesn't keep her name a secret. I imagine that if you move in the right circles it's not too hard to hear it.

    "And how did you end up like this?"

    "I hated my natural face. I wanted to change. Lady Eve promised me that she would make it happen."

    "Right… But how did you get from that… Actually, how did you get in contact with Lady Eve in the first place? She must have hundreds of willing cultists who'd do anything to get power like this."

    "I don't know. I just wanted it."

    "Oh, come on-."

    "I don't!"

    Her face expands, her eyes going from a dull red glow to a furious burn.

    "Kobra agents came to my ro-. My house! They offered and I said yes. I didn't want to be me anymore."

    Hm. Perhaps they picked someone who already hated their own body in the hope of them not having so much of a psychological problem adapting to being made of mud? It still seems… Kind of dumb. Someone fanatically loyal would be better. Or several fanatically loyal people. The usual Kobra loyalists wouldn't talk to law enforcers like this.

    "What exactly did they do to you?"

    "They blindfolded me and took me out into the middle of nowhere. There was this… Sarcophagus… Thing, filled with some sort of… Gunk. They said it was some sort of magic and told me to get in."

    "And you just… Did?"

    "Yes."

    Ah. Hated her life so much that she wanted to cease existing… Still puzzling how Kobra found her. Or a Lazarus Pit. I could understand Ra's having a few stashed away somewhere, but I'd have thought that a man like him would have had protocols to prevent them falling into the wrong hands.

    "Why did they send you here?"

    "I was supposed to hide here and wait for other orders. They set up ' Charles Adelsen'… I don't know if they killed him or if he was a Kobra member or if he ever really existed in the first place."

    We can check th-. Richard can check that.

    "And what do you plan to do now?"

    "I.. thought you were going to send me to prison."

    "Yes, but assuming that you're telling the truth about Charles Adelsen, I've only got you for your Kobra membership. Taking into account that from what you said you appear to have been more of a test subject than a member, then even adding in the other charges that the District Attorney's office might raise, you're not looking at all that much prison time. And given that you're made of mud, you may well be effectively immortal."

    "You tried to hide rather than fight, you've been reasonably cooperative and you haven't shouted 'snake snake' even once. That suggests to me that you're an essentially rational woman. So what I'm going to suggest is that you speak to a colleague of mine and tell him absolutely everything about your contact with Kobra. And you can have a think about what you want to do with the rest of your life. Does that sound like a good idea to you?"

    "I.. guess… I just assumed that they'd be watching me."

    "With a view to doing what, exactly? You're made of mud. I shot the only other person I know about who's like you with a truly terrifying amount of gamma radiation and he was up and about in a couple of months. If you're happy being made of mud and you don't have any external leverage, there's essentially nothing they can do to compel you."

    "There's… Someone else like me?"

    "Sort of. He's much worse at shapeshifting than you are. So how about it?"

    "And you can keep me safe from Kobra?"

    "You can keep you safe from Kobra. But the more information you give me, the more I can do."

    "Then… Okay."

    Hey. A rational would-be supervillain. Perhaps tonight wasn't a total waste of time after all.
     
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    This is probably them trying to figure out what made Clayface transform by using a test subject with the right mindset of wanting to change who they are (something most versions of Clayface have).
     
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