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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Chojin Patriarch said:
And his soul was going to the bad place anyway. Why not get some good stogies from it?
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Actually, if we go with the Spectre's explanation, he isn't. He's insane. The few times he's been restored to sanity he's been horrified at his own behaviour.
Corrections: "I've heard you singing, Boomer."
He looks around in an attempt to gauge the feelings of the room.
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Thank you, corrected.
KillingYouNicely said:
But yeah, I get it. Considering they also killed off Vandal Savage in that movie? Those movies take it seriously.
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That and Knockout being killed were both bullshit.
Bramble Thorn said:
Feeling rather jilted here. You've been answering all of Darko's questions. What am I, chopped liver?
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I don't know. We're on the internet. For all I know, yes, you are literally a sentient pile of chopped liver.

Look, I've given Word of Zoat repeatedly on a topic that has minimal actual relevance to the story. And I'm being ignored. So, I'm out. I don't want to give the topic oxygen.
Darko said:
But seriously what does Angel Paul want from Waller?
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"The equipment of some old dead superhero from the forties."
 
Mr Zoat said:
"The equipment of some old dead superhero from the forties."
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Is it star man? It's usually star man with you. Especially after a given Paul is on their second or third major powerset.

I mean fair enough a human built space ship, essentially unlimited clean energy, and a low grade power ring are far from unimpressive, but you have to admit a lot of Pauls go for it.

Kind of wondering why most of them wait so long to get to it?
 
Ah wanted another set of powers in case the wings don't cut it.

For the bullshit of the movie in killing Savage and Knockout the only two excuses i can guess is that either Savages immortality in that universe was running out, or it may not have been that strong in the first place and he survived all this time by being EXTREMELY lucky and tenacious.
As for Knockout maybe the bullets that killed her were somehow magical in nature and while New Gods are resistant to magic maybe they were stronger than she could resist.
Also let's not forget the comics sometimes barely make any sense in portraying the New Gods as being just some aliens with an overinflated sense of self or multiversal super beings that have many avatars.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Mr Harkness' eyes dart her way for a moment, then return to me. "Just because you clearly appreciate my virtues, that doesn't mean I'm about to start singing kumbaya."

"I've heard you singing, Boomer." Mr Lawton keeps his eyes fixed on the road. "If he's convinced you to spare me hearing it again he might actually have been sent by God."
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"Ok, boomer."
– Deadshot
 
man·tle1​
/ˈman(t)l/
noun

  • 1. a loose sleeveless cloak or shawl, worn especially by women
  • 2. an important role or responsibility that passes from one person to another
if you really don't like mantle, give them another term for the effect.
 
Jacen said:
man·tle1​
/ˈman(t)l/
noun

  • 1. a loose sleeveless cloak or shawl, worn especially by women
  • 2. an important role or responsibility that passes from one person to another
if you really don't like mantle, give them another term for the effect.
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It's been confirmed that it doesn't pass from one person to another. Paul has it because Father Box copies Graven's soul structures onto his. This is why memories are presumably bleeding. Paul is basically a parasite inhabiting and mixing with a clone of Graven that he created using his original body as vase material.
 
Mquz said:
It's been confirmed that it doesn't pass from one person to another. Paul has it because Father Box copies Graven's soul structures onto his. This is why memories are presumably bleeding. Paul is basically a parasite inhabiting and mixing with a clone of Graven that he created using his original body as vase material.
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"Paul and Grayven, sitting in a tree,
m - a - n -"

Angel Paul is fascinating. Does he still subscribe to ParaPaul's consequentialism or does he, as angels do, wholly follow virtue ethicsdeontology? Or somewhere in-between? Rule consequentialism with a God bias? I can't wait to see more of him.
 
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If Wings!Paul gets the Lantern, how would the wings and ring interact? I'd like Wings!Paul to show the other members of the Squad that he has the potential to kill a lot of people with both power sources at his disposal, if only so that they could all stare at him in shock/fear again.
 
Ngamer11 said:
If Wings!Paul gets the Lantern, how would the wings and ring interact? I'd like Wings!Paul to show the other members of the Squad that he has the potential to kill a lot of people with both power sources at his disposal, if only so that they could all stare at him in shock/fear again.
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'The only ring that has the capacity to affect the user's body/power set without their express orders is the red ring, so I imagine there won't be any intera, though there will be overlap, i.e. healing, flight, etc.

Mr Zoat, can this Paul do the 'I deny you the light of creation thing?
 
Sceptic said:
Wait, so... hypothetically speaking, if I just beat a guy to death with a piece of fireplace, you're saying I haven't just trivially stolen his identity‽

Anyone got any advice for hypothetical body disposal?
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hypothetically, invest in a factory that manufactures lye, or a pig farm, preferably beforehand. remember to remove the teeth and hair first if the latter-
don't be a idiotic twat like Dexter and drop little weighted baggies into the water to wash up bodyparts on shore the first time a violent storm/hungry predator/random anchor rips a bag open/decomposition gasses make the bag buoyant enough to float ANYWAY.

uhhh. hypothetically speaking, t..that is!
 
FeepingCreature said:
Angel Paul is fascinating. Does he still subscribe to ParaPaul's consequentialism or does he, as angels do, wholly follow virtue ethics? Or somewhere in-between? Rule consequentialism with a God bias? I can't wait to see more of him.
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I think you might be getting the meaning of virtue ethics a bit confused, here... It sounds like you're talking about deontological ethics, which I'm guessing is what angels would follow. But, it's all Greek to me. :)

Ethics is a bit of a mine field (which is better than a mime field :) ), and you know you're in trouble when you hear that they plan to build 'ethics' (of some flavour, probably consequentialism) into the AI of robots. :)

(I'm completely ignoring the "consequentialism has similar failings to scientific reductionism" bit, due to having issues with context, here. :) )
Sceptic said:
Wait, so... hypothetically speaking, if I just beat a guy to death with a piece of fireplace, you're saying I haven't just trivially stolen his identity‽
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I know of someone who was attacked by a fireplace... Apparently due to a fall, grabbing the thing, and the original installer hadn't actually fixed it to the wall... So, maybe you could claim that the fireplace was responsible? And, therefore they're the one that gets his identity? :)
(I, personally, wouldn't refer to murder as 'trivial'...)
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Mr Zoat, can this Paul do the 'I deny you the light of creation thing?
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Doesn't sound like 'minor theugy' to me...

Makes me wonder what would allow him to get better at wielding the power, though... Have the wings caused him to grow an angelic-style soul, to 'fill the gap'? So, maybe a matter of time and practice? And, I guess there might be the issue of whether Boss Smiley has noticed him...
 
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Idkusername said:
'The only ring that has the capacity to affect the user's body/power set without their express orders is the red ring, so I imagine there won't be any intera, though there will be overlap, i.e. healing, flight, etc.

Mr Zoat, can this Paul do the 'I deny you the light of creation thing?
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No.
 
Handlewithcare said:
That Paul is the one with the weirdest mental architecture.

If your plan is not "get Lantern" but "implant angel wings" then that speaks of some underlying...differentness.
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At first, I wondered if he arrived without an Orange ring, and had some other means of getting the money to pay Constantine with, but then Zoat commented on wanting to get Alan's lantern from Waller. At a guess, he either didn't want to go through the difficulty involved in obtaining the lantern without permission, or made a deal of some sort before meeting Constantine.
 
Wonder how powerful he is in comparison to an average angel and Angelica?
On one hand he was never a demon to begin with and may find it easier to use the angel magic, but Angelica is a higlhy intelligent and skilled magic user that has had thousands of years to perfect her craft and probably has a load of theoretical knowledge on theurgy and its uses, plus she may be getting tutored by Zauirel.
Also she had a team of highly skilled atlanteans, a skilled surgeon and biomancer as well as perhaps the worlds oldest non divine magic practiteoner helping her while Paul just had Constantine and probably someone he managed to dig up.

Zoat i know this is a longshot, but have you ever planned of who you would like this one to start dating?
If he manages to save Knockout then he may go the route of Eros!Paul and get two beautiful and deadly women falling for him.
 
Mr Zoat said:
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Fair is fair I suppose, mainlining the power of a reputedly benevolent god can't be a worse way of getting a soul than mainlining the Embodiment of Avarice.

Vaermina said:
It says something when going to John Constantine and having him graft Angel wings to your back is still a smarter idea then what Grayven did with the Father Box.
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John Constantine vs an evil box of scientific evil.
Yeah I think most would agree that John was the better option. Not all but most.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Hah! No, don't be absurd. The one who made it has no authority in Heaven. Why would God build moral law into the fabric of the universe and then instruct his creations to allow it to be bypassed by a card?"
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A pity that thought hasn't occurred to the likes of Vandal Savage or Eobard Thawne.

BOOMERANG: Yeah, but I still wanna avoid Hell.

WINGS!PAUL: Then take some time to repent. Stop doing bad sh@#. Do some good with your life, it's not that difficult! It really is THAT easy!

BOOMERANG: Eeeeh, I don't know, it just seems like too much work, you know?

WINGS!PAUL: REALLY? I mean, it's your soul, your choice, but you DO know that nigh eternal torment may very well await you on the other side, right? A LITTLE hard work is an incredibly, INCREDIBLY small price to pay to avoid all that.

BOOMERANG: Maybe Hell won't be that bad!

WINGS!PAUL: ....I have it on VERY good authority that whatever you can imagine, it's going to be much, MUCH worse.
 
Ngamer11 said:
Should that be Director or Agent Waller instead?
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I don't know. I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that she had a doctorate, but I've got no idea where.
Darko said:
Zoat i know this is a longshot, but have you ever planned of who you would like this one to start dating?
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No, none at all.
If he manages to save Knockout then he may go the route of Eros!Paul and get two beautiful and deadly women falling for him.
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It came up in the comics. Knockout is pansexual and assumes that relationships are open by default. Scandal isn't and doesn't.
 
Oh damn. It's that universe. With a version of Killer Frost I really, really like.

Also has what may very well be the best version of Doctor Fate ever.



Nabu really needs to work the stick out of his ass and give that guy another chance. Of all the dangerous shit one can probably find in the Tower of Fate, that card really isn't even that big of a deal.

Of course, in that movie I'm pretty sure the card does actually send people to Heaven. And they did a tie-in comic that takes place after the movie, where it turns out Amanda Waller is such a piece of shit The Specter has decided to come after her.
 
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There was this other fic on SV called Life Ore Death where Scandal had a threeway with Wally and Knockout after Wally showed her pictures of him posing over Savages heart patterned underwear after he beat and panced him when he tried to stop him from taking the heart to Princess Perdita.
Scandal may work for her father but she hates him and if Paul heals Knockout and stops her father she may be open to the idea of thanking him in a more intimate manner if Knockout suggest it even if she herself wouldn't initiate it herself.
Like Holly and Karon.

Wow i wonder what angel Paul is going to think about this version of Nabu?
I doubt that he is going to hate him as much as paragon hated his Nabu, but will probably be extremely dissapointed in his choice of a wearer.
That or he may want whatever mystical weed Nabu was smoking when he made that choice.
Celestial ganja, nothing beats it.
Plus if he is immune to most earth based intoxicants he is going to need as much celestial ones as he can get. He may be extremely patient and serene, but still it is safe to have some calming herbs on standby if you're dealing with the shit the DC universe throws at you.
Such shit includes being in debt to John Constantine.
I know he technically paid Constantine, but do you really think that is going to stop that walking miscarriage of a human being from calling in this supposed debt?

Speaking of funny Nabu hosts there is this one YJ fic on SB called Medic where the League and mc make one of Constantines friends a host for Nabu on the logic that him being friends with Constantine will result in him suffering later in life plus the guy did some horrible shit in life so wanted to repent by becoming a champion of order and defending the world from malignant magical menaces, so they thought him willingly giving himself up as a host, and protecting the world, would be better than potentially being taken by some demon and tortured for the crime of being friends with Constantine.
The funny thing about this is that it is a 100% correct seeing as in the comics a demon got a hold of the souls of several of Johns friends and was torturing them.

On a side note i really recommend a YJ fic by theirishdreamer on SB called The Dark Shard:Enemy of The Light.
It is a great fic though the grammar may turn some people off i really recommend it.
There are also several other fics of his like:
Ridire Coracairdhearg: The Shard of War and Blood (Star Wars/DnD)
The Traveling Merchant and Wandering Mage(multi cross SI and a side story of the The Dark Shard) etc.
 
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FeepingCreature said:
Oops, you are correct. Thank you for the correction.

I always mix those two up. :)
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Yeah, well I remember the three as 'consequentialism', 'authoritarianism' (trust that (external) authority to tell you what's right/wrong), and 'the other one'. I first heard about 'virtue ethics' from Michael Sandel's broadcasts, and I still have trouble remembering the term. :)

Trouble with a lot of these systems is that they throw the baby out with the bath water - you get the impression they're sort of looking for ethical/philosophical sound bites... I will admit speculating that Grayven might be a 'new existentialist', balancing rationalism against romanticism, maybe after the style of Colin Wilson (because that avoids the depressing Satre style), but, maybe that's pushing things too far. :)
 
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