With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Oglymogly · Sep 1, 2022

Riiight, I forgot that Constitine vetted this parallel. And it isn't a Constitine story without the man in charge being incompetent or a total piece of shit.

Lord Ernest · Sep 1, 2022

I knew these guys were some fascists shits!

And, yeah, why is Interceptor horrified? She just described using Obsidian as a power suppressor system because the guy is unfortunately sick; she's on the same wavelength as her Commander.

I know the poor guy is dangerous, kinda like Legion, but the attempt should be made to help him or brainstorm ways to help him, not "well, he's convenient like this and if we don't tell anybody, then nobody can be mad about it".

Although now I'm curious why John is springing this confrontation now, what is it in aid of? I hope if he has a plan that the quality of his plans have at least improved from before, where they usually ranged from "fucked up" to "awful with probabilities of disaster" to "what plan?".

Ngamer11 · Sep 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
"Bloody convenient if they could. Because there was an investigation going on, wasn't there. After a few to many prisoners in for minor offences got their brains mangled by your suppression system."

That should say 'too'.

Handlewithcare · Sep 1, 2022

Why is Paul so enthused about their pseudo-cure for shizophrenics? Can't he rewrite brain chemistry with his ring? Or can't like a dozen other super-scientists on his paralel?

Also, we now know why they were so keen on killing Dominators.

Also also...did Scott sell out his own son?

Chojin Patriarch · Sep 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
21st November 2012
15:02 GMT -5

I watch out of the window of the secure detainment facility's office as a woman is embraced by her tearful family after a fifteen year absence. Parents and sisters, in this case, people who had long since assumed that they'd never see her again. She has a relatively minor superhuman pyromantic ability that resulted in her getting abducted by the dominators when their snatch squads went through the local version of Gotham. She's not being let go yet; unlike most of the people we recovered she isn't being kept for fear that she'll return to a life of crime but rather because she hasn't finished going through 'decontamination' yet. That will involve checking her for implants, mind control effects and genetic alterations, as well as providing her with therapy and…

Interesting. Wonder if it's anyone known in the comics? At any rate, making sure there's no ticking time bombs is definitely a good idea. Even if the Dominators never expected Earth to come for their stolen people, I wouldn't be surprised if there were things put in them to prevent any rebellious ideas.

And working out how to integrate people back into society after a fifteen year gap.

"What do you plan to do with the former prisoners?"

Yeah, that's not an insignificant amount of time. Teenagers would be approaching their mid-thirties, and older folks would be hitting middle age. Some of them might have kids they've never met who are now in their teens...

"Depends on what they were in prison for." Commander Scott is looking like his old self, though I've noticed that he's occasionally touching his ring in a way that he wasn't before. "Everyone who's served their sentence is being treated like a civilian. Everyone who was served more than fifteen years… I think a little leniency is in order, if they get with the program."

I nod.

Well, at least they recognise that things can't have been pleasant for the taken. By comparison, prison with hard labour would have been a holiday camp, I bet. Let me guess, though: 'Get with the program' is a euphemism for 'sign up with the JSI'?

"And Mister Rice?"

Interceptor snorts. "We should leave him as he is."

Oh, really? If you were in that position, would you want your rescuers to just leave you stuck in a power-dampening machine?

Commander Scott doesn't show any particular emotion. I give him a moment to respond, but… Nothing. Alright then.

"Might I ask 'why'?"

Probably doesn't trust himself to hold back. Even if his relationship to Todd 'Obsidian' Rice isn't public knowledge, the man is officially a criminal...

"Do you know what the cure rate for schizophrenia is?"

"As far as I know, it doesn't get cured. Sufferers learn to cope with it, usually assisted counselling and psychoactive drugs."

Even in the wonderful realm of DC Comics, huh? Except for the rare few how are undiagnosed telepaths, or learn to turn it into a superpower somehow... And even then, that's not 'curing' them...

"Yeah. Because schizophrenia is the result of the human brain not making the right levels of neurotransmitters. It's not something you can fix with injections. You can't even reliably suppress it with drug injections, just reduce the impact. We've managed to properly cure a handful of people using cybernetics-."

"That's great! Can I-? Would you mind giving me a copy of your records before we leave?"

...OL, I don't think it'll be a method that most people would willingly make use of...

Interceptor frowns. "We had to take their brains out of their skulls and wire them into a pharmacy. It's a functional solution, but it's not exactly something you can apply to a whole population."

"It's still an option, and it's better than nothing."

...Seriously, OL? What about quality of life? Then again, Maltusian tech could make the cybernetics much safer...

Commander Scott nods. "We can share medical technology if you don't mind reciprocating."

"Right, you don't have purple healing rays, do you."

...What's the bet they discover how to turn them into Purple Death Rays inside a year?

I take one of my spares out of subspace and deposit on the meeting table, along with full documentation.

"We're still doing testing prior to mass implementation, but there haven't been any problems so far."

How has that been going, by the way. Any pushback from medical unions or the like?

Commander Scott looks at it for a moment. "That's very kind of you. What does it 'heal'?"

"Any organic damage. It won't completely regrow missing parts, but anything short of that will knit back together."

Quite useful for a superheroic army, really. Especially for those who aren't bullet-proof.

Interceptor's posture relaxes slightly, though she still has a stern expression.

"My point is that we can't cure his schizophrenia. Given how his physiology works, we can't use cybernetics, and give how powerful he is, we can't risk depending on drugs or therapy. It makes more sense to use him as a perfect power suppressor system at the new Slab than it does to try turning him back."

...Well, that's a very nice sentiment, but...

Whaw.

I agree with everything she just said, but completely disagree with her conclusion.

Heh, a nice bit of Skywalker snark there.

There are magic means to treat mental illnesses, though none of them are reliable either. Given the risk he poses and the crimes he's already committed, it isn't right to risk the lives of everyone on the planet by letting him out. And he is more reliably contained at the moment than the JSI could do with the resources at their disposal.

"Still, I think it's worth the risk. The dominators will have backup up their research, and right now he's the only superhuman that you know it won't effect." I look towards Commander Scott. "You said that his reports said he was getting better. Does he present a threat?"

And if he can learn to do the 'power blackout' thing on demand, well...

"He didn't, before he was a prisoner of the Dominion for fifteen years."

"But you're talking about turning a person into an accessory. We had that in my parallel, when someone turned a telepath called Doctor Cizko into an intelligence suppressing machine. It doesn't inspire confidence in people. There's a difference between 'this person is a clear and present danger' and 'this person's brain is a useful paperweight'."

To be fair, I suspect Commander Scott's gauge is just a little biased towards the former than the latter...

Interceptor shrugs. "Then we don't tell people. It's not like most people bother finding out what our actual rules of engagement are. If we turn up with a new power suppressor, no one's going to think anything of it."

I blink.

And just distract the people with some bread and circuses, will you?

Toss a bit more 'two minutes of Hate' aimed at the Dominators and they'll cheer you on?

"This is what I sound like to other people, isn't it?"

"Yeah mate." John Constantine plops himself down in the chair next to me. "It is."

...You knew he was there the whole time, didn't you, OL?

Interceptor blinks. "How did-?"

"Wizard. Amazing where I can get, especially when people are all looking the other way. And I've been getting all sorts of places. Listening. Learning." He reaches into his coat pocket and pulls out a smooth black stone. "Know what this is?"

...I suspect the Black Diamond would be very securely contained, so no?

"The Blackrock." Commander Scott generates construct manacles and tries to clamp tem around John, only for the construct to decay into static before it reach him. "Don't even think about using that."

"Using it? No. Not my style. But it's a dead useful tool. Did you know that it records every single electromagnetic transmission on Earth? Has done ever since Silverstone created it."

And John's got an anti-Lantern Construct spell now? I see he's been dredging Quinn's memories for a few new tricks.

John leans forward, resting his chin on his hands.

"Funny how different the version of your chat with the dominators it recorded was compared to the version that got released to the public. You want to explain that, Commander?"

...Welp. And I had high hopes that things were better than they seemed.

Commander Scott's eyes narrow slightly.

"I don't know what you think you've found out from the tool of a well known supervillain, but if you think it's important then you might as well tell us."

Letting himself dig his grave a little deeper, Commander? Bad move, but then, you've never met a Constantine, have you.

John lifts is head off his hands, and glares Commander Scott with genuine anger in his eyes.

"You sold them out. The Slab, Basement One Oh One, all those other places I never heard of until I heard you tell them about them. Every JSI-run prison, you handed the lot off to the Dominion."

...And I'm guessing there was quite a few. JSI seems very much an 'If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem' kind of organisation.

Interceptor huffs. "We don't keep the locations of our prisons secret, Wizard. The dominators were in orbit. I'm sure they could work out what was in the buildings with 'JSI PRISON KEEP OUT' written on the side on their own."

"Bloody convenient if they could. Because there was an investigation going on, wasn't there. After a few to many prisoners in for minor offences got their brains mangled by your suppression system."

Ah... Sort of a 'they weren't exactly making themself useful' kind of reaction, eh?

Commander Scott glares back. "That's enough."

"Which got shut down right afterwards. Investigating the people keeping the world safe at a time like that? Just not done. Plus all the evidence was on the other side of the galaxy. Do any of the ones we got back know, or is Brainwave going to give them a one-over first?"

...A once-over with a little side-eye towards 'correcting' some inconvenient memories?

"No. We handed them over because it was best for Earth."

Interceptor's face falls, and she looks at Commander Scott in horror.

Oh, you'll happily use a sentient being as a power suppressor, but tossing some super-criminals to the dogs is too much? Someone has skewed sensibilities...

Well, this has taken a turn for the grim-dark, hasn't it? To be fair, I kind of expected it, given the source material held this reality up as 'wrong' due to the lack of the Big Three. I suppose this is why. What's the bet John's cottoned on to the spell that erased them from this history, and is about to tug on a loose thread or two? He's certainly got the power to manage it, if nothing else.

A few errors today, Mr Zoat.

Everyone who was served more than fifteen years…

Everyone who has served more than fifteen years…

...usually assisted counselling and psychoactive drugs."

...usually assisted by counselling and psychoactive drugs."

The dominators will have backup up their research...

The dominators will have backups of their research...

...and tries to clamp tem around John...

...and tries to clamp them around John...

John lifts is head off his hands...

John lifts his head off his hands...

ForeverShogo · Sep 1, 2022

As far as I understood it, the Dominators basically had the Earth under siege without the Earth being able to really do anything about. If the JSI had to throw supervillains under the bus to end the siege, who the fuck cares? Like, seriously, should they have just let the Dominators keep attacking without the means to retaliate? Cutting a deal was the sensible move.

megrisvernin · Sep 1, 2022

ForeverShogo said:
As far as I understood it, the Dominators basically had the Earth under siege without the Earth being able to really do anything about. If the JSI had to throw supervillains under the bus to end the siege, who the fuck cares? Like, seriously, should they have just let the Dominators keep attacking without the means to retaliate? Cutting a deal was the sensible move.

It's a tough play to make. I think in the situation it's not unreasonable, though he should have made it public and accepted the consequences.

0zymandias · Sep 1, 2022

Prognostic Hannya said:
Wait, Interceptor is surprised by this? She doesn't exactly strike me as a naïve idealist.

I imagine she views Obsidian as a write off already, that due to how damaged they are, the practical options are killing them or making use of brand new weapon in their arsenal; and between the two options the latter is far more palatable.

hance1986 said:
I get it, in a utilitarian kind of way. Handing over Earth incorrigibles to the Dominators. It was probably one of the things that made them leave, getting test subjects. Plus it gave Earth a rallying base 'Remember the Lost', and all that. The JSI seem to have made a more orderly world in the meantime. But then again, so did the Justice Lords.

I can already hear the fascist counter; 'at least the trains ran on time'.

Handlewithcare said:
Why is Paul so enthused about their pseudo-cure for shizophrenics? Can't he rewrite brain chemistry with his ring? Or can't like a dozen other super-scientists on his paralel?

Also, we now know why they were so keen on killing Dominators.

Also also...did Scott sell out his own son?

He can but that can only work when he cares about the person he's working on and it's nowhere near a practical solutions that could be applied on larger scale, I think he's only done so once. Also seems like he did, it seems that Green Laterns are rarely good fathers.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Oh, you'll happily use a sentient being as a power suppressor, but tossing some super-criminals to the dogs is too much? Someone has skewed sensibilities...

Interceptor seems to have a simplistic view of the world, I think it might be less that she's found her inner humanitarian rather than she's had her image of Commander Scott tarnished somewhat. He's likely been portrayed as the greatest protector of humanity against the Dominion and now he's found to have actually negotiated and given away humans to the enemy.

Churchill made his career on how his stubbornness to fight the Nazis, and his legacy was defined by it. Only then it turns out that he was perfectly willing to come to terms had they given a better offer.

Mr Zoat said:
"This is what I sound like to other people, isn't it?"

If this mission pushes Paul to take a good hard look at his current philosophy and reconsider where it might take him. It's a good one. Hopefully we see a bigger Justice League but one without fascistic overtones.

Ganurath · Sep 1, 2022

Ah, so Scott invited the Dominators over to remove evidence of the prisons being mismanaged, with the other prisoners being added to the mix to conceal the motive.

Vaermina · Sep 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
"This is what I sound like to other people, isn't it?"

"Yeah mate." John Constantine plops himself down in the chair next to me. "It is

Eh. I would say you're worse.

Mr Zoat · Sep 1, 2022

Prognostic Hannya said:
Wait, Interceptor is surprised by this? She doesn't exactly strike me as a naïve idealist.

It's a matter of scale, and the fact that they used it as a rallying cry for fifteen years.

BlueMangoAdea said:
Pyrokinetic, unless her ability is actually magical.

The SI doesn't know the source.

Ngamer11 said:
That should say 'too'.

Thank you, corrected.

Handlewithcare said:
Can't he rewrite brain chemistry with his ring?

He doesn't know enough about neurology to only change the bits he needs to change.

Or can't like a dozen other super-scientists on his parallel?

Well...

Chojin Patriarch said:
Everyone who has served more than fifteen years…

Not quite, but still wrong.

...usually assisted by counselling and psychoactive drugs."
The dominators will have backups of their research...
...and tries to clamp them around John...
John lifts his head off his hands...

Thank you, corrected.

FreeGod · Sep 1, 2022

Paul has gotten used to being the Devil's advocate among groups of very idealistic heroes. When the heroes he is with aren't it throws him off a bit. He knows how to deal with villains, but right now he was using the wrong set of social assumptions.

BR549 · Sep 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
Interceptor's face falls, and she looks at Commander Scott in horror.

When this is all said and done this is the moment Paul added +1 to his Supergirl collection, isn't it.

Lord Ernest said:
And, yeah, why is Interceptor horrified? She just described using Obsidian as a power suppressor system because the guy is unfortunately sick; she's on the same wavelength as her Commander.

There's a teeny, tiny, difference between "this supervillian we can't cure was stuck in this machine by evil aliens and he's too dangerous to take out of it, we might as well make use of him" and "the world's greatest hero willingly handed over thousands of prisoners to an alien invasion force as tribute and then claimed they were abducted".

Bramble Thorn · Sep 1, 2022

BR549 said:
There's a teeny, tiny, difference between "this supervillian we can't cure was stuck in this machine by evil aliens and he's too dangerous to take out of it, we might as well make use of him" and "the world's greatest hero willingly handed over thousands of prisoners to an alien invasion force as tribute and then claimed they were abducted".

Is everyone who ever paid a ransom because someone else had a gun, and was pointing it at peoples heads?

What about some rural sheriff confronted with a lynch mob who outnumbers and outguns him and his deputies, who is given the options of turning over a prisoner for a hanging, or the whole sheriffs office very likely getting overrun and killed?

Make no mistake that the blame should be laid first and foremost on the Dominator Invasion Fleet that had their guns trained on Earth when the deal was brokered. And it is to his credit that he did his best to build up Earths defenses so they could only be extorted this way once. And that he acted to get them beck the moment it became practicable to do so. And that he was willing to do it knowing it meant his own son would be one of those taken.

No comment on the coverup though.

Old Knife · Sep 1, 2022

On one hand we don't know why he did these things in the first place.
On the other hand... Wait a minute. Where is demon supergirl?

Anyway. Time for genocide 3:Return of the Paul!

Prince Charon · Sep 1, 2022

Bramble Thorn said:
No comment on the coverup though.

The coverup may be what Interceptor is most upset about. She's (arguably) a fascist, but she's an honest fascist (and now I'm imagining her having a conversation with Overgirl, and having another horrifying revelation).

Old Knife said:
On one hand we don't know why he did these things in the first place.
On the other hand... Wait a minute. Where is demon supergirl?

I think they were going in without her first to make sure that the locals were OK with her going back, or something like that, so she's still on Earth-16p.

FeepingCreature · Sep 1, 2022

Yeah I think the coverup is almost the main moral problem here. There's one thing of doing a bad thing in a situation where all your choices are bad ones, and there's a whole other thing "leaning in" and using it to your personal advantage.

Sometimes the universe is terrible and only gives you terrible choices. That doesn't change whether you're part of it becoming better, or part of it becoming worse. Scott made himself part of it becoming worse here.

RichardWhereat · Sep 1, 2022

Handlewithcare said:
Why is Paul so enthused about their pseudo-cure for shizophrenics? Can't he rewrite brain chemistry with his ring? Or can't like a dozen other super-scientists on his paralel?

Having more options lets you choose the most humane method, and refine the others.

goricnac · Sep 1, 2022

So I think one of the issues Interceptor has here is that apparently a lot of the prisoners they handed over were there for minor offences. This isn't handing over everyone in blackgate, this is handing over every prisoner the JSI had in any facility they controlled.

Remember they were being investigated for getting people with minor offences killed by experimenting with power suppressors, they handed over not just murderers, but also shop lifters, people with DUIs, minor drug offenders, hell wouldn't be surprised if there were people there who's only crime was not being able to afford bail. Every JSI run facility was handed over, this isn't handing over the joker, this is sentencing Captain Cold to a race of Mengeles to cover up your crimes.

Mr Zoat · Sep 1, 2022

Old Knife said:
On the other hand... Wait a minute. Where is demon supergirl?

Themyscira, Reformation Island. They wanted to check the destination before they took her back.

Prince Charon said:
The coverup may be what Interceptor is most upset about. She's (arguably) a fascist, but she's an honest fascist (and now I'm imagining her having a conversation with Overgirl, and having another horrifying revelation).

I wouldn't call her a fascist. The JSI doesn't control the economy, and there's no 'enemy within'.

Tyrantviewer · Sep 1, 2022

Okay has anyone here seen the second Kingsman Movie because spoilers ahead.

In that movie the villian contaminates basically every illlegal drug in the world with a virus that will cause in order, blue discolorations, uncontrolable dancing, paralysis and then death- with her having the only cure. She offers to give the cure away for free, if all of those drugs are made legal, and she is pardoned of everything (I think, she is nuts enough that maybe she didn't include that) planning to become even more rediculously wealthy by then being able to sell all of it above board. She chooses to negotiate with the U.S. president as the representative of the free world, because she considers the United Nations Toothless. The president decides to do nothing, just stall for time until every drug user dies, winning the war on drugs by eliminating demand, crippling the villian's opperations because they have no more customers and fixing everything- at the cost of millions to billions of people dying of horrific, preventable disease. He is arrested after the heroes save the day- either because they revealed what he said (they are spys) or because one of the victims was his aid, who took uppers as part of mannaging the rediculous workload he gave her.

What we have in our story here is similar- alt Scott was waging a war on crime, that apparently already had shady stuff going on, anyone who looks up Marvel's civil war comics can see how that can happen, and decides to sell out the super criminals to get the dominators to leave. This is leavened by the fact that he jumped at the chance to go and rescue everyone, but the facts that he and interceptor are fine with leaving his son as a power source for a power nullifier, and that he kept his deal with the dominator's secret.

This also reminds me of how several fanfic interpretations of green laterns and the guardians are implied to have issues because of TOO MUCH willpower, too stubborn to listen to other points of view or reconsider their own choices, so the guy made mostly of green light falling into the same trap isn't surprising.

In any case the issue isn't just that he sold out a chunk of humanity to aliens without telling anyone, its that he apparently covered up some crimes of his own doing so, using an alien invasion to bolster his own agenda, clearly contrary to law and order, undermining a lot of the values Interceptor shows to be a part of his regime- anti alien sentiment, harsh but fair dealings with criminals etc. This one reveal throws everything into question because when else was he willing to compromise his apparent ideals for expediency and what what else is he covering up

Darko · Sep 1, 2022

Well fuck.

Mr Zoat said:
"Depends on what they were in prison for." Commander Scott is looking like his old self, though I've noticed that he's occasionally touching his ring in a way that he wasn't before

Not too surprising since he nearly died.

Mr Zoat said:
Everyone who was sentenced to more than fifteen years… I think a little leniency is in order, if they get with the program."

I think they'll be eager to embrace whatever you give them.

Mr Zoat said:
Interceptor shrugs. "Then we don't tell people. It's not like most people bother finding out what our actual rules of engagement are. If we turn up with a new power suppressor, no one's going to think anything of it."

I blink.

"This is what I sound like to other people, isn't it?"

Yes.

Mr Zoat said:
"Wizard. Amazing where I can get, especially when people are all looking the other way

Oh no, they let him out of sight.

Mr Zoat said:
way. And I've been getting all sorts of places. Listening. Learning

Crap.

Mr Zoat said:
static before it reach him.

"reaches"

Mr Zoat · Sep 1, 2022

Darko said:
"reaches"

Thank you, corrected.

Darko · Sep 1, 2022

Prognostic Hannya said:
Wait, Interceptor is surprised by this? She doesn't exactly strike me as a naïve idealist.

Lord Ernest said:
And, yeah, why is Interceptor horrified? She just described using Obsidian as a power suppressor system because the guy is unfortunately sick; she's on the same wavelength as her Commander

It probably has something to do with the fact that he willingly gave those people to the Dominators; a group a lot of people from Earth despise and which has caused a lot of damage to them.

Lord Ernest said:
Although now I'm curious why John is springing this confrontation now, what is it in aid of

John likes to do these types of things from time to time, and he really despises hypocritical authority figures.

Handlewithcare said:
Why is Paul so enthused about their pseudo-cure for shizophrenics? Can't he rewrite brain chemistry with his ring

He could, but he probably wants something that can be mass-produced.

Handlewithcare said:
Or can't like a dozen other super-scientists on his paralel?

It may not be their area, or their crazy and you don't want them anywhere near it.

0zymandias said:
I can already hear the fascist counter; 'at least the trains ran on time

And that was never even true.

Heck, with Scott giving Obsidian away, he probably would have doomed Earth far more than it previously was.

Imagine them using Obsidian to block all power on Earth.

Darko · Sep 1, 2022

Chojin Patriarch said:
OL, I don't think it'll be a method that most people would willingly make use of...

Some may want their condition to end no matter the cost.

Chojin Patriarch said:
What's the bet they discover how to turn them into Purple Death Rays inside a year?

Sucker's bet.

Chojin Patriarch said:
How has that been going, by the way. Any pushback from medical unions or the like?

That may be difficult.

Chojin Patriarch said:
And John's got an anti-Lantern Construct spell now? I see he's been dredging Quinn's memories for a few new tricks.

He already had some anti-Lantern tricks before Quinn.

When he was in Atlantis, he was able to blow some smoke out of a protective shield Paul had him in.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Oh, you'll happily use a sentient being as a power suppressor, but tossing some super-criminals to the dogs is too much? Someone has skewed sensibilitie

She has some fascist tendencies, so of course she's like that.

Plus, she may feel that while it's okay for them to do horrible things to people, it's not okay for others to do it.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Well, this has taken a turn for the grim-dark, hasn't it? To be fair, I kind of expected it, given the source material held this reality up as 'wrong' due to the lack of the Big Three. I suppose this is why. What's the bet John's cottoned on to the spell that erased them from this history, and is about to tug on a loose thread or two? He's certainly got the power to manage it, if nothing else

I'm guessing a fight is going to break out and then John undoes it.

Or just an argument that shows Scott trying to defend his actions, only for John to tell him to piss off and then undo it and watch in glee as Scott little fascist world falls apart.

Darko · Sep 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
and glares Commander Scott with

'glares at'

inglorius · Sep 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
Wholeness Rightly Assumed.

This should be oranged.
That aside, stuff like trading out undesirables kinda is a green thing. Just look at all shit guardians pulled.

Chaoswind · Sep 1, 2022

ForeverShogo said:
As far as I understood it, the Dominators basically had the Earth under siege without the Earth being able to really do anything about. If the JSI had to throw supervillains under the bus to end the siege, who the fuck cares? Like, seriously, should they have just let the Dominators keep attacking without the means to retaliate? Cutting a deal was the sensible move.

The JSI is under investigation for egregious human rights violations and the dominators JUST HAPPENED to attack the earth to take a bunch of super villains and people off the planet and leave without actually casually fucking it over with orbital bombardment and sending them back to pre industrial level as any sensible "evil" space Nazis would have done?

Constantine is implying a lot more than men taking hard choices while hard under a bad situation, he is implying the JSI caused the bad situation.

This would be more in line with Paul getting egg in his face for just helping them witout verifying their claims.

Bud-E · Sep 1, 2022

Did Commander Scott offer the prisoners so the Dominators would stop attacking earth as a sort of trade agreement? Cause if so what about the non-criminal Metas were they captured before or after the deal was made?

Chaoswind · Sep 1, 2022

Bud-E said:
Did Commander Scott offer the prisoners so the Dominators would stop attacking earth as a sort of trade agreement? Cause if so what about the non-criminal Metas were they captured before or after the deal was made?

I actually wonder why the Dominators came to earth, took a bunch of super villains and "random people off the planet" and then left without sending earth back to pre industrial levels, and how the JSI just became the world government as a result of the power vaccum.

The fact the green lanterns didn't do shit smells terrible for commander Scott because we know one of the ways to bypass Green lantern law enforcement is to show them you were invited to the planet by the local authorities, so putting all the evidence together results in the JSI inviting the dominators to take a bunch of their prisoners off their hands and causing enough damage to allow the JSI to consolidate power and take over the planet.

In short in this parallel the JSI is the light and their plan worked to a T. They even managed to dupe an idiot over powered orange lantern into cleaning their tracks by getting rid of the evidence that remained. I wonder if Paul will come to that conclusion on his own or if Constantine will have to walk him through his idiocy.

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lord of all I survey

Connoisseur.

Dedicated ragequitter

Connoisseur.

Connoisseur.

Connoisseur.

Getting sticky.

Lord of nonsense

Stand up so I can push you down!

Lord of nonsense

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