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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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No I'm not. I'm saying 1: this was clearly not a cultural thing because it most certainly wasn't their culture to deny fathers their children or knowledge of such 2000 years ago, and the amazons since have clearly retained this since all those male relatives knew from the start what they were getting into.
And 2: You can't honestly argue that culture is an excuse unless you're willing to give the same weight to the other guy's culture too.
But culture is no excuse for leading a guy on regardless. It's just common sense. And no, common sense is not somehow uncommon.
"It's fine" my ass. She clearly knew what she was doing. And the alternative only makes her look worse.
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Can confirm. When my dad was in his 30s, he was a computer programmer that was getting a little soft around the middle but still had plenty of muscle from doing farm work and maintaining heavy machinery. (Now that he's in his 60s he's considerably softer around the middle and not nearly as strong as he was in his prime, but he can still lift more than me.)
You're British. Nobody would notice if you stopped using H.
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It literally was though, Amazons would meet up with men, have sex to produce a child and then leave with the prospective father only knowing he has a kid if it's a son and they bring it back
The only difference between then and now is that she assumed that he knew that was the deal and he didn't
I am, the guy is completely in the right here
Common sense is a completely artificial construct that's shaped by your culture, it's common sense in the UK that chocolate shouldn't taste like vomit but the US would disagree with that
In the same way it's common sense for her to go out and get impregnate and then come back without ever seeing the man again
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£200? Does it come with a blow job?
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That's self-service I'm afraid.
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Even in Sparta you uncultured Corinthian, Athenians were at least raised in a mixed gender environment unlike the Spartans who were taken from their mother at age seven and spent most of their time in barracks with other men not getting married until about age thirty.
Uncomplicated Good Works (part 18)
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22nd December 2012
16:52 GMT +3
"How's the Flash doing?"
"He wasn't too happy about Blitzen showing up." We slow as we approach our destination in the northern wilds of Themyscira. "But since she's spending most of her time with the Alliance, it's not too much of a problem."
"Ah, the stepsister he never wanted."
"I talked a lot to Overman, so I'm not just going to dismiss her because she's a Nazi. But most people aren't that open-minded, and Blitzen… She's not as apologetic as he is."
"He actually fought in their World War Two. She wasn't created until the bodies were paved over. But, no. I meant about the Sheeda."
"He's talking to someone about that. He's not the only one." His eyes flick to me. "You could talk to him yourself."
"I don't think he needs to hear more about my outlook."
"I'm going to guess that you would have tried talking Lord Malvolio into killing her for you."
"Or kicking her out at least. Honestly, I can't see how someone with her temperament could survive around him for any length of time without doing something to insult him badly enough that he'd lose his temper. And the rest of the Sheeda survivors weren't worth it. And… I'd guess that you'd want to send her to the Phantom Zone."
"I thought that was the cowardly answer? Should I be insulted?"
"I can't think of a classically heroic way to resolve the situation. If she was tried in a court, she would be executed. Anything else would present too great a risk of her getting free. The Phantom Zone would probably contain her without requiring her death."
"Are you sure that death would contain her?"
"Reasonably sure. People usually die when they are dead. She doesn't have a way to come back without the Cauldron of Rebirth, and that would require someone to dump her body in it. And… For there to be a body to dump in it."
…
"Did someone secure the Cauldron?"
"I'd have to check with General Lane. I don't remember a Sheeda… 'Cauldron' being mentioned specifically. What is it?"
"A sort of super Lazarus Pit in the form of a big cauldron. And if Lord Malvolio has it, that might explain why he's not still angry about Flash killing her."
That gets a surprised blink. "You think he's resurrected her?"
"I think it's a possibility. I don't think that asking him about it would help the situation."
"No, but it's going to make Batman even more paranoid about people using Sheeda technology."
I nod. "But… Flash is… Coping? I know how out of character that was for him."
"I don't think he's back to normal yet, but he's getting there."
I nod as we land outside of an ancient farmstead. No one I asked could remember exactly when Medina and Family set up here. Amazons don't have perfect memories, after all. 'Before the current city was built' was the best I could get out of anyone. But looking around at the surrounding landscape I'm reminded of an incident involving… A British University, I forget the name. They needed a new oak beam for the roof, but it would have to be far longer than was commercially available. One stroll into the grounds later and they found the tree that their forebears planted a hundred years ago for that express purpose.
The whole 'A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under whose shade they will never sit' doesn't really apply when everyone is ageless and no one is having children, but the trees are laid out in generational rows, ready for use when the house and barn next needs it.
Aside from that piece of sagacity, the farm looks… Oh dear. Like a pre-Exodus farm. They haven't done the sort of infrastructure building that most Amazons have, with sewers, stone paths and walls and slate roofs. They've deliberately recreated something older and simpler.
Rats.
"Hello?!"
I stroll down what looks like the path into the farmyard. I can hear pigs grunting and geese honking, and a-.
Shclunk.
The sound of dinner being decapitated. I'm not sure whether Hippolyta is doing Christmas this year. I don't imagine that the last one really enthused anyone. But a traditionalist Themysciran definitely wouldn't.
"Hello?"
Heavy footsteps in heavy boots, then one of the residents comes into view. Black hair, olive skin, muscled from constant farm work rather than a gymnasium. Not Medina herself, but probably one of her wives.
"No, I'm sorry." She shakes her head. "We agreed one at a time, and it's Medina's turn. Try the City."
"That's not why I'm here."
She looks us both over and frowns. And suddenly I feel self-conscious about how I dress on professional occasions.
"Are you friends of the Princess?"
"Yes. More to the point, I'm the one who brought the portal to Themyscira."
"Oh, ah, Paa… Pavlos?" I nod. "And…" She squints. "Um. Marvelman?"
"Close. It's Superman."
I suppose an isolated corner of Themyscira is the one place on Earth that's more likely to have heard of me than Superman.
"And I am Karyne. If you are not here to sire a child, are you here to trade for produce?"
"Are you aware of how much of a fuss Medina has created?"
"I… Suppose it's some. But most of us cannot shape clay into a child and have it come to life."
Y-es, Hippolyta did say that was the closest she came to being deposed, didn't she?
"This might be something I should talk about with your whole family. In short, America has very different customs relating to parental responsibility to Themyscira, and the child's biological father wants to discharge his responsibilities." She nods. Okay, not getting the misandrist diatribe I was half-braced for. That's a good sign. "And because there's no actual treaty between America and Themyscira, it's a matter for the forum, and… Medina's actions are rubbing the majority up the wrong way."
Karyne frowns. "Why? The women of the City could do the same if they wished."
"The American government usually restricts people coming into their country from the outside. Themyscira has been given… Effectively, given a bypass on those rules because they trust you and because there aren't that many of you. If Amazons start flagrantly ignoring local custom, that could change. The man who sired Medina's child had a very different idea of what their relationship was to what she intended."
Karyne's frown deepens. "He thought that she would stay with him?"
"He didn't know she was from Themyscira."
Karyne puts her hands on her hips.
"That is not what she told us."
16:52 GMT +3
"How's the Flash doing?"
"He wasn't too happy about Blitzen showing up." We slow as we approach our destination in the northern wilds of Themyscira. "But since she's spending most of her time with the Alliance, it's not too much of a problem."
"Ah, the stepsister he never wanted."
"I talked a lot to Overman, so I'm not just going to dismiss her because she's a Nazi. But most people aren't that open-minded, and Blitzen… She's not as apologetic as he is."
"He actually fought in their World War Two. She wasn't created until the bodies were paved over. But, no. I meant about the Sheeda."
"He's talking to someone about that. He's not the only one." His eyes flick to me. "You could talk to him yourself."
"I don't think he needs to hear more about my outlook."
"I'm going to guess that you would have tried talking Lord Malvolio into killing her for you."
"Or kicking her out at least. Honestly, I can't see how someone with her temperament could survive around him for any length of time without doing something to insult him badly enough that he'd lose his temper. And the rest of the Sheeda survivors weren't worth it. And… I'd guess that you'd want to send her to the Phantom Zone."
"I thought that was the cowardly answer? Should I be insulted?"
"I can't think of a classically heroic way to resolve the situation. If she was tried in a court, she would be executed. Anything else would present too great a risk of her getting free. The Phantom Zone would probably contain her without requiring her death."
"Are you sure that death would contain her?"
"Reasonably sure. People usually die when they are dead. She doesn't have a way to come back without the Cauldron of Rebirth, and that would require someone to dump her body in it. And… For there to be a body to dump in it."
…
"Did someone secure the Cauldron?"
"I'd have to check with General Lane. I don't remember a Sheeda… 'Cauldron' being mentioned specifically. What is it?"
"A sort of super Lazarus Pit in the form of a big cauldron. And if Lord Malvolio has it, that might explain why he's not still angry about Flash killing her."
That gets a surprised blink. "You think he's resurrected her?"
"I think it's a possibility. I don't think that asking him about it would help the situation."
"No, but it's going to make Batman even more paranoid about people using Sheeda technology."
I nod. "But… Flash is… Coping? I know how out of character that was for him."
"I don't think he's back to normal yet, but he's getting there."
I nod as we land outside of an ancient farmstead. No one I asked could remember exactly when Medina and Family set up here. Amazons don't have perfect memories, after all. 'Before the current city was built' was the best I could get out of anyone. But looking around at the surrounding landscape I'm reminded of an incident involving… A British University, I forget the name. They needed a new oak beam for the roof, but it would have to be far longer than was commercially available. One stroll into the grounds later and they found the tree that their forebears planted a hundred years ago for that express purpose.
The whole 'A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under whose shade they will never sit' doesn't really apply when everyone is ageless and no one is having children, but the trees are laid out in generational rows, ready for use when the house and barn next needs it.
Aside from that piece of sagacity, the farm looks… Oh dear. Like a pre-Exodus farm. They haven't done the sort of infrastructure building that most Amazons have, with sewers, stone paths and walls and slate roofs. They've deliberately recreated something older and simpler.
Rats.
"Hello?!"
I stroll down what looks like the path into the farmyard. I can hear pigs grunting and geese honking, and a-.
Shclunk.
The sound of dinner being decapitated. I'm not sure whether Hippolyta is doing Christmas this year. I don't imagine that the last one really enthused anyone. But a traditionalist Themysciran definitely wouldn't.
"Hello?"
Heavy footsteps in heavy boots, then one of the residents comes into view. Black hair, olive skin, muscled from constant farm work rather than a gymnasium. Not Medina herself, but probably one of her wives.
"No, I'm sorry." She shakes her head. "We agreed one at a time, and it's Medina's turn. Try the City."
"That's not why I'm here."
She looks us both over and frowns. And suddenly I feel self-conscious about how I dress on professional occasions.
"Are you friends of the Princess?"
"Yes. More to the point, I'm the one who brought the portal to Themyscira."
"Oh, ah, Paa… Pavlos?" I nod. "And…" She squints. "Um. Marvelman?"
"Close. It's Superman."
I suppose an isolated corner of Themyscira is the one place on Earth that's more likely to have heard of me than Superman.
"And I am Karyne. If you are not here to sire a child, are you here to trade for produce?"
"Are you aware of how much of a fuss Medina has created?"
"I… Suppose it's some. But most of us cannot shape clay into a child and have it come to life."
Y-es, Hippolyta did say that was the closest she came to being deposed, didn't she?
"This might be something I should talk about with your whole family. In short, America has very different customs relating to parental responsibility to Themyscira, and the child's biological father wants to discharge his responsibilities." She nods. Okay, not getting the misandrist diatribe I was half-braced for. That's a good sign. "And because there's no actual treaty between America and Themyscira, it's a matter for the forum, and… Medina's actions are rubbing the majority up the wrong way."
Karyne frowns. "Why? The women of the City could do the same if they wished."
"The American government usually restricts people coming into their country from the outside. Themyscira has been given… Effectively, given a bypass on those rules because they trust you and because there aren't that many of you. If Amazons start flagrantly ignoring local custom, that could change. The man who sired Medina's child had a very different idea of what their relationship was to what she intended."
Karyne's frown deepens. "He thought that she would stay with him?"
"He didn't know she was from Themyscira."
Karyne puts her hands on her hips.
"That is not what she told us."
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I wanted to link to a video here, but I couldn't find it. While it's true that men and women lived separately, Sparta didn't celebrate same sex romantic relationships in the way that Athens or Thebes did.
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'killing her' I think.
Someone did an uh-oh.
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Someone is in the doghouse.
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True, but nevertheless, they were considered normal as opposed to relationships with women.
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Well, good thing the lasso of truth exists. Kind of makes these sort of he said she said things way simpler to sort out.
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Ok, so either she's lying or hes lying, given Pauls empathic vision didn't trip any alarms with the dude my guess is that she went out to try to find a breeding stud, ended up actually falling for the guy, panicked because she had gotten into the relationship based on a lie and decided to get out of there rather than come out with the truth. Which is extra fucked up when you remember she's already married.
This situation has gone from scolding an amazon that didn't think about the implications of differing social norms to potentially full on Telenovela.... APRHODITE GET THE POPCORN!
This situation has gone from scolding an amazon that didn't think about the implications of differing social norms to potentially full on Telenovela.... APRHODITE GET THE POPCORN!
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All of a sudden the image of Jerry Springer or Maury Povich style of talk show baby drama kicking off popped into my head. The idea of ancient Greek women rushing across a stage to start shoving and pulling hair over a pregnancy is hilarious.
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if something like the lasso existed in the real world then i belive it could cause the downfall of many countries
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I'll bet Clark got a few appreciative looks as he passed through the city. Those Kryptonian tights of his don't leave much to the imagine now matter how thick they are. And he's likely to have the sort of physique that antiquitarian Hellenes might consider pleasing to the eye.
She's young.. -ish. For her, the wartime atrocities are history, not living memory.
Now, I wonder who could handle being the Justice League's psychiatrist? Or at least be one discreet enough to cope with keeping any slips about a secret identity private.
Honestly, I don't think Big Green liked her much anyway. But the rules of hospitality are inviolable... Until the guest fucks up.
From what I remember of my one reading of the Seven Soldiers series, Gloriana Tenebrae was not the most... Humble person.
'Arrogant bitch with delusions of godhood' might be a charitable description.Given what OL remembers of the Sheeda, and we know from the Renegade's little trip, probably not.
Sadly, like Dark Eldar, keeping them dead is something of a challenge given the transitory nature of their souls. In the case of Dark Elder, they can be revived from leftover chunks, albeit at the cost of another's pain and suffering.
With any luck, it pissed off back to the future along with the castle.
If only to kill her again, knowing what she ordered done to Earth.
In some cases, I'd be more worried about the technology using them.
Well, that's good to hear. I'm sure the Rogues are happy about that part.
How foresighted of their predecessors. Let's hope they planted a new tree in its place for next century.
So they're either willingly old-fashioned, wilfully backward, or simply don't care for 'these new-fangled tomfooleries like 'sanitation''. No wonder Medina went about things the way she did, then.
In other words, will that old-fashioned-ness extend to their attitudes towards men...
Ah, the delightful sights, sounds and smells of classical farming. I bet Clark feels kind of nostalgic... A little, anyway. This is probably less modern than he's used to.
I'm betting she did it in honour of Kon and Mitchell... Since ancient Hellenic culture didn't have any directly equivalent holidays...
...Not quite the reaction OL or Clark were expecting, I bet.
She's probably thinking 'Well, they're certainly fit, I'll give them that' or similar.
Which I bet will be remembered as a pretty significant time.
Indeed. He's not nearly blond enough to be Marvelman, never mind the cape. Even if the colours are similar.
...Would she like to speak to their manager?
But seriously, a little farm out here probably is fairly self-sufficient. Not surprised any excess gets sold at markets.Oooh, golem burn. And I doubt word of OL's offer to provide an IVF-equivalent service hasn't made it out this far.
She was half-expecting something like this wasn't she? At least one of Medina's group is smart enough to realise things might change in three thousand years.
And that's probably news to her. Though hopefully this whole affair doesn't sour things between the countries.
I mean, New York, melting pot of cultures and tourists. He probably just assumed she was an odd Greek girl... With a passion for physical fitness.
Oooh, has someone not been honest with her wives about this sordid peccadilo?
Sounds like Medina's been telling porkie pies to more people than the father of her child. Someone might be in for a telling off when she gets home, and maybe a stay in the doghouse. Which they probably actually have here, for that extra comedic value. At any rate, when word of this gets out, public opinion is really going to turn nasty...
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Why would Malvolio resurrect the Sheeda Queen?
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But the Counties that rose up to replace them would be more stable. That which can be destroyed by the true should be. Of course when I say that mean including full context not just progangda slanting.
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Thank you, corrected.
No, he doesn't have a tiny penis.
Because she was harmed after he offered her sanctuary, making it his responsibility.
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That's not true. Statues and paintings were given tiny penises by artists as a metaphor for self-control and their intellectual exceptionalism being more important than base desires. I assure you, large penises were still very much popular in practice.
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Aphrodite, Aphrodite, Aphroditeeee...thegoddesoflove
But new and potentially better ones would rise in their stead.
Those ancient types tend to take guest right very serioulsy. Her death under his truce is an insult.
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Well the guy probably has a newfound hatred for people that belong to groups that have committed mass murder and feel no shame for it.
Plus, she's a Nazi, which means she's automatically to be hated.
'lot with'
Yeah, look at what you did to Supes.
Worried that they'd be too old-fashioned?
Having giant winged people showing up and singing murder would certainly dampen the mood.
Unless they liked the food.
Well this is interesting.
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and just like that, a millennia-old lesbian polygamist family have turned the Forum into the Jerry Springer Show
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This is honestly just perfect.
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I bow to your superior experience.
Also, you just said that Superman has a tiny penis.
Thank you, corrected.
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Malvolio is only 400 years old and only left Earth 200 years ago. Guest right wasn't as big a thing. This was already modern Era.
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Slander!