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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I think the flaps will be felt when Soker comes knocking with his huge Navy and Bastet and her allies are the only known group with a similar build up to counter him, even more so when we know the ToKra are both inside the realm of Bastet and probably view her group in a positive light so they are likely going to feed them some intelligence (enter Paul as spy master and advisor for Bastet).

The ToKra were mostly against Ra and tyrant systems lords, not their entire species.
Sokar is well ahead of anything the SI could build in the intervening period, even if he did nothing but build shipyards and then ships. A recording of Sokar's industrial development on the other hand would be a valuable worked example for the other underlords. 'This does work, and the workers can still be controlled'.
 
The Ori can't tell that there's life in the Milky Way galaxy, the ascended Ancients are blocking their sight. They only find out once the SGC discovers Avalon in England and accidently trigger an extra-galactic communication device to the Ori galaxy.
Nope, but they absolutely should be sensing Paul's Ring and Lantern given what they do.
 
The Superpower Gauntlet shouldn't be usuable by him due to his Orange Power Ring.

I'd have said it made it more usable as the gauntlet worked by infecting a host with a virus, if he want's to be immune he would be but if he wants it to affect him it will. He could also duplicate it like he did the Goa'uld and get the benefits long term, but then he could have also scanned how Goa'uld enhance their hosts and applied those changes so the virus might have a diminished effect.

And then Anubis shows up, stealing Sokar's stich. Hilariously, despite Anubis's knowledge of Ancient technology, I'd rate Sokar as the bigger threat.

Was anyone else disappointed that they went for him being the Devil instead of the Abrahamic God? I mean aside from it being a better fit for the Goa'uld's ego to be the all powerful god rather than the created servant who rebels, there's plenty they could have done with that idea.
It's been a long time since I went through a bible but I remember a passage in Ezekiel saying God sent a servant through a city to place his mark on the foreheads of the worthy and the sent others to kill any without a mark, old, young, men, women, etc and the only line we get is Teal'c saying God is utterly unlike any Goa'uld o_O

Nope, but they absolutely should be sensing Paul's Ring and Lantern given what they do.

No reason the Ancients couldn't hide that too, they're probably doing the ascended version of a picture in front of a security camera trick rather than blocking each thing individually.
 
I'd have said it made it more usable as the gauntlet worked by infecting a host with a virus, if he want's to be immune he would be but if he wants it to affect him it will. He could also duplicate it like he did the Goa'uld and get the benefits long term, but then he could have also scanned how Goa'uld enhance their hosts and applied those changes so the virus might have a diminished effect.
The virus overclocks the body to a harmful degree and doesn't activate when it detects a symbiote.


No reason the Ancients couldn't hide that too, they're probably doing the ascended version of a picture in front of a security camera trick rather than blocking each thing individually.
The picture in front of a security camera trick only works if you don't shine something bright on the other side of the photo.

And that also assumes the Ascended would want to protect him, instead of wanting to get rid of him. Which they almost certainly would given he's going around dumping the spiritual equivalent of toxic waste everywhere.
 
This Stargate side story makes me want to read Stargate fanfics again.
Do you guys have recommendations ?

Well...I stumbled across an...odd...take on Stargate here abouts a little while back. It's certainly a different flavor of crazy then you'd normally expect of that franchise due to it being crossed over with, of all things, the modern She-Ra universe, and takes place early in the SG-1 timeline before they really get rolling on things.

Here it is

Having read it to it's as now current point, I'm still on the fence on it's quality. Characterization is a bit bland (though amusing for the Science buddies side of things) due to most of it coming long before much of the development that happens over the course of SG-1's run. It also takes any expected status quo from there and kicks it over.

You'd Expect it to be some action story....but no.....the it's more of an 'Uplift' story gone horribly horribly wrong.

Basic story is 'hey someone oops the gate and SG-1 from say....season 1 or 2? ends up in post last episode she-ra...tells them about the snakes and earth.

She-ra's people pack up a formerly Horde Space Fleet, head to earth and say 'HI we're Aliens and we want to help you fight other aliens in the war that you don't know about'.

They say this To The Whole Planet..... who then throw a fit at the obviously gay magic girls invading 90's era earth.

The story is mostly watching the sociopolitical-political Bonfire that is earth, with scattered action scenes where 'I have a jaffa army / We have a Hulk She-Ra' comes into play
 
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This Stargate side story makes me want to read Stargate fanfics again.
Do you guys have recommendations ?
XSGCOM, by hotpoint, is an old favorite. Crossover with classic X-COM, but unfortunately died in 2011, early in the sequel (a Stargate Atlantis/X-COM: Terror from the Deep crossover)

Stargate Physics 101 is a one shot about the Ancients developing the stargate. Has a little bit of a Skippy's List/Thing Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed To Do feel with the more energetic experiment failures.
 
This Stargate side story makes me want to read Stargate fanfics again.
Do you guys have recommendations ?
Stellar Reich.

Those wacky National Socialists got the gate first and set up an off-world perfect Aryan community, then the allies bombed the Germany-side of the project flat and paperclipped the gate. SG1 happens as normal, but the Space Nazis are doing their own thing at the same time.
 
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Stellar Reich.

Those wacky National Socialists got the gate first and set up an off-world perfect Aryan community, then the allies bombed the Germany-side of the project flat and paperclipped the gate. SG1 happens as normal, but the Space Nazis are doing their own thing at the same time.

….How'd you'd hear about this, Zoat?
 
"That's true, but you're missing the point. This war? This isn't going to go away. There's no Ra who will step in and enforce a peace treaty if things go on too long. I believe that the ultimate victor will be the side which handles attrition the best. That doesn't constantly lose ships for debatable gain."

He crosses his arms across his chest. "Then what do you propose?"

"Let everyone tire themselves out while our strength increases. Increase the strength of patrol fleets, and build new shipyards. With Lady Heset's improvements to her mines-" Some of which was a result of mining equipment I provided, but not all. It turns out that not being crazy makes you a better administrator. "-we have an increased amount of naquada to work with. And everyone who might try and interrupt construction is distracted."
Of course, Bastet is one of the Goa'uld who have a reliable alliance with another Goa'uld who remains outside of their direct control.

The alliance with Kali means that even if Bastet/her council of lords might choose to remain out of the conflict until other parties are exhausted or they see an opportunity, they may very well have to put themselves in to avoid losing that alliance and all the ships that come with it.
It depends on how much Bastet is convinced of an alternate strategy, and how much she is able to convince Kali.

But equally, Bastet may very well have assumed Apophis would set some kind of trap from his character and history, and in the absence of the intelligence to break that trap, concluded that trying to passively prod towards no falling into it was in her interests. And may be accepting that getting stuck in is inevitable due to her alliance, but would prefer to better choose her place to intervene.
Or else is using the meeting partly just to assess Paul's character and tendencies, on account of how he has displayed capabilities that make him unusually potentially threatening, should he actually choose to follow through on that potential.
 
"That's true, but you're missing the point. This war? This isn't going to go away. There's no Ra who will step in and enforce a peace treaty if things go on too long. I believe that the ultimate victor will be the side which handles attrition the best. That doesn't constantly lose ships for debatable gain."

He crosses his arms across his chest. "Then what do you propose?"

"Let everyone tire themselves out while our strength increases. Increase the strength of patrol fleets, and build new shipyards. With Lady Heset's improvements to her mines-" Some of which was a result of mining equipment I provided, but not all. It turns out that not being crazy makes you a better administrator. "-we have an increased amount of naquada to work with. And everyone who might try and interrupt construction is distracted."
Paul's gaming strategy is multiversal, it seems. I remember Paul doing things like this in story parts when he was doing RTS games like early in the story with Connor. Paul turtles up and defends while gathering resources to tech up and then comes out swinging.
 
Starring (part 12)
A little later

"You see?"

I nod. I do. Mahes has been doing a lot of work on wargaming the most likely outcomes of the wars raging all across the galaxy. While the calculations changed slightly based on my intelligence -which only extends to the area around Bastet's space- there's almost no way for us to make enough ships to make a significant difference to the situation before one of the victors comes and starts leaning on us. Not with the systems we have now, at least.

Goa'uld are feudal. The fight between Heru'ur and Apophis will end with one of them dead, but most of the other goa'uld who survive to that point will be given the opportunity to bow to the victor. At that point, if we haven't supported the victor they might well decide to pay off their supporters with our space. We need to have done enough fighting that the victor will feel obliged to negotiate our submission instead.

"I believe that figure can be improved within a relevant timescale."

He frowns. "How? Labourers can only work so fast before the errors become unacceptably frequent. Even if I move trained jaffa crewmen to construction duty, these figures will change little and our fleet performance will suffer drastically."

"Provide them with better tools."

He tilts his head slightly to the side. "Better..?"

"Much better."

He stares at me, his eyes flaring for a moment. "That is a risk. If we were discovered, the other System Lords would use that as a rallying cry to crush us utterly. And that is leaving aside how unruly the humans would become."

"I have long believed that a more technologically advanced level of human civilisation could be maintained without sociological collapse. My original plan was to experiment on Syrania, on the grounds that I could kill the rebellious human population with a viral weapon easily enough if I was mistaken."

He looks curious. "Is Lord Bastet aware of your actions?"

"She is not unaware of them. It is a gradual process and I have not yet breached Ra's laws."

He considers our logistics plot, and then shakes his head. "Even if we throw out those laws immediately, it would take generations to educate them sufficiently."

I nod. "True, but I… Believe that I could acquire sufficient devices to speed up the manufacturing process without the need to fully educate the workers on their function."

"From where? Your own wrecked ship? The fleet Ra granted you, whose ships even now fight for Heru'ur?"

"It is no great secret that Ra did not use jaffa for his armies. He… Was less than rule-abiding in other ways, as well. Heru'ur had little enough interest in where the ships he fought with came from."

Nonsense, of course. Oh, I'm sure that Ra had better construction technology than he was sharing with the System Lords, but I'm going to be making whatever machinery we need with the ring.

"What will acquiring that cost?"

"Cost? With Ra dead I'm probably the only one who knows that such devices exist. The only question is, how much does our production need to improve for the difference to be significant?"

He presses some buttons on the tactical computer, and with Am-heh's help I'm truly astonished at how inefficient goa'uld techniques are.

"We would need to increase production by two hundred percent in two years. By which I mean that at the end of two years we need three times as many ships as we would have had otherwise."

"Hm. That should be possible. Mechanical drills to improve the output of the miners, ground penetrating radar to locate new seams of minerals, plasma smelters to increase refining speed…"

And thanks to Am-heh I just know this stuff. I see where the goa'uld attitude comes from. Modern humans might be able to understand goa'uld technology well enough to use it but every goa'uld knows how to make just about everything their civilisation ever developed. Compared to us… Them, humans are a bit slow. Even advanced humans from worlds like Earth.

I access the computer myself and feed in the timelines and improvements. Crystal production appears to be the bottleneck now, but even allowing for a margin of error 200% doesn't look like it will be that hard.

The difficulty will be in convincing the others to go along with it.

Mahes sighs.

"That will work. Can your spies locate a source for new crystal forges?"

"They haven't yet, but I can make enquiries." I give him a sidelong glance. "You could sound happier about it. Are you seeing a risk that I am not?"

"I like war."

"You'll get a war. You just have to wait two years instead of jumping right in."

"I will live with my disappointment. Enjoyable as conflict is, it is better to win."

I offer him my right hand, and after a moment's hesitates he.. clasps my forearm.

"You do realise that Bastet sent us in here as a test, don't you?"

He frowns curiously. "Who else would she send? You were the one arguing against my proposal."

"Exactly. The mouthiest underlords get sent to work on a plan. If we can't get along, she could berate both of us and take whatever course she wants. If we can, she gets a better plan and no one argues about it."

He looks mildly irritated as he releases my arm. "I don't care for that sort of thing."

"Oh?"

"I've served under dozens of different gods in my life. When I was much younger I was more politically aware, always… Scrabbling for the slightest piece of influence or power, retaliating against every slight. Now? I stick to fighting. It's what I enjoy and what I'm best at. Lord Bastet respects that, and so do the other underlords. But you…" He eyes narrow. "I don't know what you want. I know of the Lord Mammon of old, but he could not have killed Lord Am-heh so quietly. What has happened to you?"

"Two hundred years, Lord Mahes. Two hundred years, trapped under a crashed starship, under a mountain. I had to rethink a great many things."

"Such as?"

"What happens next time we have to fight the asgard? It is fortunate that they do not consider our treaty to have been invalidated by Ra's death, because we have no one who is his equal. No Supreme System Lord to unify us. We know so much, understand so much, yet those few of us who truly innovate hoard what they build to themselves and all others would be more likely to kill them and destroy their work than attempt to copy their example."

"You have examples, I assume?"

"The helmets we give to jaffa. Ra designed them originally, but did you know that his own have a number of features he omitted from the version he shared?" He looks curious. "Starship control systems are the same. He and Ptah, and… Me, in the old days, got the good stuff. Everyone else got the dumbed-down version. What do I want? I want us to be the glorious shining gods we deserve to be, eternal, powerful, terrible. We could do so much and we actually do so little. We disappoint me. And if living up to our potential means dragging the jaffa and humans up to where we are now, then so be it."

He grins. "You're a madman! But from the sounds of things you will at least be entertaining." He thinks for a moment. "Do you know where I might find some of the fully functional helmets?"

"I might be able to lay my hands on one or two. And I might be able to trade them to you."

"In exchange for what?"

"I would like to borrow one of your Second Primes, and a squad or two. I have some thoughts on how our doctrines could be improved, and I would like to test it with them."

He doesn't hesitate in nodding. "I look forward to hearing what you discover with them."
 
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Nonsense, of course. Oh, I'm sure that Ra had better construction technology than he was sharing with the System Lords, but I'm going to be making whatever machinery we need with the ring.
Funny how this Paul doesn't suffer from the same lack of motivation problem that hit's the formerly paragon Paul any time he tries to spend more then a few hours building something.
 
What do I want? I want us to be the glorious shining gods we deserve to be, eternal, powerful, terrible. We could do so much and we actually do so little. We disappoint me. And if living up to our potential means dragging the jaffa and humans up to where we are now, then so be it."
Really drinking the Kool-Aid.

If Mammon manages to assimilate an Asgard and capture one of their ships or a Asgard scientist...the Stargate Galaxy might be fucked.

On one hand, a human going native with the snakeheads and making it is bad and something could be said for betraying his race as a human to side with the Goa'uld... but the Tollan or SG Earth, SG Earth more, supporting the underdogs might work from a working with Named Characters perspective or a feel good one, but Paul has infinitely more freedom as a 'God' than he would to make change as some kind of xenotech consultant or something for Stargate Command.

Plus from a pragmatic and avaricious point of view, keeping the Tau'ri as kind of low level antagonists on the periphery might be useful as like an opposing lever kind of way.

I can kind of see from an avarice viewpoint, the Goa'uld would be the better play, being greedy bastards themselves. Plus development and improvement is easier with the snakes already having high technology and having to break through the feelings and use their advantages effectively versus solely working with Earth from a lower level.

Plus power ring OP could probably spoof Ancient gene locks to use their technology and crack open their knowledge in the future.
 
A little later

"You see?"

I nod. I do. Mahes has been doing a lot of work on wargaming the most likely outcomes of the wars raging all across the galaxy.
Zoat needs to fly to earth, and scan all the 40k second edition codexes, and models. Start your people wargaming as leisure. Promote the good ones.
 
A little later

"You see?"

I nod. I do. Mahes has been doing a lot of work on wargaming the most likely outcomes of the wars raging all across the galaxy. While the calculations changed slightly based on my intelligence -which only extends to the area around Bastet's space- there's almost no way for us to make enough ships to make a significant difference to the situation before one of the victors comes and starts leaning on us. Not with the systems we have now, at least.
So, an experienced and sensible warhawk, regardless of any hunger for battle. I shudder to imagine what he would have been like without being corrected by Paulmon. Certainly, things would likely have been noisier.

Goa'uld are feudal. The fight between Heru'ur and Apophis will end with one of them dead, but most of the other goa'uld who survive to that point will be given the opportunity to bow to the victor. At that point, if we haven't supported the victor they might well decide to pay off their supporters with our space. We need to have done enough fighting that the victor will feel obliged to negotiate our submission instead.

"I believe that figure can be improved within a relevant timescale."
Ah, the joy of having specialised in logistics rather than military fields.

He frowns. "How? Labourers can only work so fast before the errors become unacceptably frequent. Even if I move trained jaffa crewmen to construction duty, these figures will change little and our fleet performance will suffer drastically."

"Provide them with better tools."
I shudder to imagine what they're using now.

He tilts his head slightly to the side. "Better..?"

"Much better."
In other words, closer to the modern age than pre-Renaissance... Which has its issues.

He stares at me, his eyes flaring for a moment. "That is a risk. If we were discovered, the other System Lords would use that as a rallying cry to crush us utterly. And that is leaving aside how unruly the humans would become."

"I have long believed that a more technologically advanced level of human civilisation could be maintained without sociological collapse. My original plan was to experiment on Syrania, on the grounds that I could kill the rebellious human population with a viral weapon easily enough if I was mistaken."
I worry that even if that wasn't his original plan, he's been drinking the kool-aid long enough to consider it valid...

He looks curious. "Is Lord Bastet aware of your actions?"

"She is not unaware of them. It is a gradual process and I have not yet breached Ra's laws."
To be fair, once System Lords reach a certain level of power, the laws become more like guidelines.

He considers out logistics plot, and then shakes his head. "Even if we throw out those laws immediately, it would take generations to educate them sufficiently."

I nod. "True, but I… Believe that I could acquire sufficient devices to speed up the manufacturing process without the need to fully educate the workers on their function."
Tools simple enough that 'point here, press this' is sufficient for them to use them? That has its own risks. Usually the sort whose visual footage would often be accompanied by a 'Liveleak' logo, once upon an Internet age.

"From where? Your own wrecked ship? The fleet Ra granted you, whose ships even now fight for Heru'ur?"

"It is no great secret that Ra did not use jaffa for his armies. He… Was less than rule-abiding in other ways, as well. Heru'ur had little enough interest in where the ships he fought with came from."
That is an interesting way to resolve the visual difference between the movie guards and the TV versions.

Nonsense, of course. Oh, I'm sure that Ra had better construction technology than he was sharing with the System Lords, but I'm going to be making whatever machinery we need with the ring.

"What will acquiring that cost?"
Heh. Only a matter of time, a few asteroids and some privacy...

"Cost? With Ra dead I'm probably the only one who knows that such devices exist. The only question is, how much does our production need to improve for the difference to be significant?"

He presses some buttons on the tactical computer, and with Am-heh's help I'm truly astonished at how inefficient goa'uld techniques are.
Don't tell me they're building their ships by hand, with hammers and nails? :confused: Surely they'd use some measure of advanced technology.

"We would need to increase production by two hundred percent in two years. By which I mean that at the end of two years we need three times as many ships as we would have had otherwise."

"Hm. That should be possible. Mechanical drills to improve the output of the miners, ground penetrating radar to locate new seams of minerals, plasma smelters to increase refining speed…"
See, that's more like it. He with the better manufacturing will win the resource war. ...Just look at World War II...

And thanks to Am-heh I just know this stuff. I see where the goa'uld attitude comes from. Modern humans might be able to understand goa'uld technology well enough to use it but every goa'uld knows how to make just about everything their civilisation ever developed. Compared to us… Them, humans are a bit slow. Even advanced humans from worlds like Earth.

I access the computer myself and feed in the timelines and improvements. Crystal production appears to be the bottleneck now, but even allowing for a margin of error 200% doesn't look like it will be that hard.
I saw that little 'Us... Them,' Paulmon. Remember, you are not one of these people, regardless of your act.

The difficulty will be in convincing the others to go along with it.

Mahes sighs.
At least on will, by the looks of it. And with his help, you can convince Bastet, who can order the rest to fall in line.

"That will work. Can your spies locate a source for new crystal forges?"

"They haven't yet, but I can make enquiries." I give him a sidelong glance. "You could sound happier about it. Are you seeing a risk that I am not?"
Presumably the crystals are one of the few things he can't easily reproduce. Interesting. Because of exotic materials, or an exotic process the Ring can't duplicate?

"I like war."

"You'll get a war. You just have to wait two years instead of jumping right in."
And you'll have the advantage going in. Never go into a fight with less numbers than your enemy.

"I will live with my disappointment. Enjoyable as conflict is, it is better to win."

I offer him my right hand, and after a moment's hesitates he.. clasps my forearm.
Jolly cooperation! ...With a tyrant who's part of an oppressive empire. Still, things can change.

"You do realise that Bastet sent us in here as a test, don't you?"

He frowns curiously. "Who else would she send? You were the one arguing against my proposal."
Not a test of skill, one of character.

"Exactly. The mouthiest underlords get sent to work on a plan. If we can't get along, she could berate both of us and take whatever course she wants. If we can, she gets a better plan and no one argues about it."

He looks mildly irritated as he releases my arm. "I don't care for that sort of thing."

"Oh?"
Politicking not to your taste, Mahes? Understandable from a soldier.

"I've served under dozens of different gods in my life. When I was much younger I was more politically aware, always… Scrabbling for the slightest piece of influence or power, retaliating against every slight. Now? I stick to fighting. It's what I enjoy and what I'm best at. Lord Bastet respects that, and so do the other underlords. But you…" He eyes narrow. "I don't know what you want. I know of the Lord Mammon of old, but he could not have killed Lord Am-heh so quietly. What has happened to you?"
Less stress, less problems. A good way to live... If it weren't for the fact it's built on the backs of your people.

"Two hundred years, Lord Mahes. Two hundred years, trapped under a crashed starship, under a mountain. I had to rethink a great many things."

"Such as?"
Ah, really deepening that fake background story, Paulmon. Nicely done.

"What happens next time we have to fight the Asgard? It is fortunate that they do not consider our treaty to have been invalidated by Ra's death, because we have no one who is his equal. No Supreme System Lord to unify us. We know so much, understand so much, yet those few of us who truly innovate hoard what they build to themselves and all others would be more likely to kill them and destroy their work than attempt to copy their example."
Ooh, that is a good question. The Grey boys may be higher tech, but they're less potent overall due to cultural prerogatives and stagnation... But if they're roused, they can make one hell of a mess..

"You have examples, I assume?"

"The helmets we give to jaffa. Ra designed them originally, but did you know that his own have a number of features he omitted from the version he shared?" He looks curious. "Starship control systems are the same. He and Ptah, and… Me, in the old days, got the good stuff. Everyone else got the dumbed-down version. What do I want? I want us to be the glorious shining gods we deserve to be, eternal, powerful, terrible. We could do so much and we actually do so little. We disappoint me. And if living up to our potential means dragging the jaffa and humans up to where we are now, then so be it."
Though hopefully nudging them into a more benevolent fashion in the long run. Also, it sounds like you're paraphrasing the Emperor.

He grins. "You're a madman! But from the sounds of things you will at least be entertaining." He thinks for a moment. "Do you know where I might find some of the fully functional helmets?"

"I might be able to lay my hands on one or two. And I might be able to trade them to you."
Sidetrip to Abydos, perhaps? Or has he got a few hidden away in his wreck?

"In exchange for what?"

"I would like to borrow one of your Second Primes, and a squad or two. I have some thoughts on how our doctrines could be improved, and I would like to test it with them."

He doesn't hesitates in nodding. "I look forward to hearing what you discover with them."
Doctrines that focus on 'fighting to kill, not to scare'? Or things that would be considered 'dishonourable', like ambush and covert operations?

Well, good to see Mahes isn't an unreasonable fellow. And sweetening the pot with some of the good stuff from Ra's toybox is definitely helping the deal. I get the feeling their suggestions will be some opposition, but ultimately go through. Bastet might have to watch some of the more ambivalent underlings, though. One guy flips with his knowledge of what they're planning, and... :eek: Well.

Zoat needs to fly to earth, and scan all the 40k second edition codexes, and models. Start your people wargaming as leisure. Promote the good ones.
:p And given the timing, he can even get them brand new, mint condition, for his personal collection!
 
If Mammon manages to assimilate an Asgard and capture one of their ships or a Asgard scientist...the Stargate Galaxy might be fucked.
Yes, because that would draw the Replicators to the Galaxy.


Plus power ring OP could probably spoof Ancient gene locks to use their technology and crack open their knowledge in the future.
Not unless Zoat seriously nerfs Ancient technology.

And he'd have to be an idiot to even try given how insane Ancient security can be for anything that's not functionally a trinket.
 
"It is no great secret that Ra did not use jaffa for his armies

I'm guessing it's the same reason Bastet uses women instead of men, even though men are stronger.

Once you get past a certain point of advancement physical ability doesn't matter so much.

You don't need to be a black belt to shoot a gun, or in this case be a Jaffa to fire an energy staff or spaceship guns.

Plus there's the issue of loyalty.

The Jaffa are a patriarchal warrior society, so Bastet giving women the ability to fight can ensure that they feel indebted to her because she allows them to pursue an occupation the Jaffa see as ideal.

And even if some of them hate her, they may still fight for her because if another Goa'uld conquers them then they're likely to be reduced to being second-class citizens.

Ra's situation could be similar, but from the side of species rather than gender.

If the humans in his armies see that their master trusts them to fight the physically superior Jaffa then they could feel flattered.

Plus like with Bastet, even if they hate him they may still fight for him because the alternative is worse.

And it could also be a way to mock the System Lords.

If his army is entirely human, something Goa'uld see as being no different than an animal, while the rests are Jaffa, an enhanced soldier, then he may feel pleasure that they're physically superior soldiers are still second to his.

Compared to us… Them, humans are a bit slow. Even advanced humans from worlds like Earth.

Though not necessarily more intelligent.

They may have a greater degree of knowledge compared to most societies, but they're not necessarily all that smart themselves.
 
So I'd like a comparison from people who are more familiar with DC than I am and possibly Stargate are the ancients from Stargate the equivalent to the Guardians of OA?
 
So I'd like a comparison from people who are more familiar with DC than I am and possibly Stargate are the ancients from Stargate the equivalent to the Guardians of OA?
Ha! No.
The Ancients had some moderately impressive tech but are not remotely close to what the Guardians hand out to their mall cops. Paulmon's ring is the most advanced piece of tech in that universe.

The Ancients were also much more 'mad scientist' and 'abusive precursor' than the Guardians. They poked the universe and usually left the poking device lying around after it blew up in their face.
 
Really drinking the Kool-Aid.

If Mammon manages to assimilate an Asgard and capture one of their ships or a Asgard scientist...the Stargate Galaxy might be fucked.
Or he might say: "Wait, seriously? Why are you harvesting tissue from existing clones to clone new bodies? Why not just digitise your earlier genetic structure and replicate new genetic strands based on that as-needed"?

And then the asgard would be saved.
Zoat needs to fly to earth, and scan all the 40k second edition codexes, and models. Start your people wargaming as leisure. Promote the good ones.
Unfortunately, in the Stargate universe early Games Workshop took a rather different direction. 7th Edition Laserburn just doesn't compare.
So, an experienced and sensible warhawk, regardless of any hunger for battle. I shudder to imagine what he would have been like without being corrected by Paulmon. Certainly, things would likely have been noisier.
Canon. Bastet becomes an active participant, does okay, then gets bodied by Anubis because she's out of position and has used up all her reserves.
Jolly cooperation! ...With a tyrant who's part of an oppressive empire. Still, things can change.
There are plenty of human civilisations more oppressive. Sparta, Dahomey and the Aztecs to name but a few.
Though hopefully nudging them into a more benevolent fashion in the long run. Also, it sounds like you're paraphrasing the Emperor.
Of Mankind or Palpatine?
Sidetrip to Abydos, perhaps? Or has he got a few hidden away in his wreck?
He suspects that the US military has already looted Abydos, and almost certainly has the place well defended. The second one.
Doctrines that focus on 'fighting to kill, not to scare'? Or things that would be considered 'dishonourable', like ambush and covert operations?
I'm going to be generous and assume that there's some reason why jaffa fight like they do. Like, Ma'tok were needed to punch through trinium armour or asgard force fields, then everyone slimmed down their armour because it wasn't stopping the weapons everyone used, but only a few places have realised that means that a Zat'nik'tel is now strictly superior due to maneuverability and rate of fire.
Thank you, corrected.
 
The Ancients were also much more 'mad scientist' and 'abusive precursor' than the Guardians. They poked the universe and usually left the poking device lying around after it blew up in their face

I'd say they're more "idiot precursor" than abusive.

A recent fic I read had the Asgard being asked why they didn't ask the Ancients for help and the Asgard essentially compare the Ancients to being that type of friend that you like and enjoy hanging around, but you wouldn't trust them to watch your house because you just know it'll be a mess when you get back.

And the Guardians and Maltusians have their own skeletons, like the Manhunters and Krona.
 
Unfortunately, in the Stargate universe early Games Workshop took a rather different direction. 7th Edition Laserburn just doesn't compare.
Laserburn, huh? Part of the primordial soup of strategy gaming that brought us Warhammer 40k, and supposedly, X-Com by way of it's spiritual predecessor, Laser Squad. That's a deep cut (From a power weapon. :p No save!)

There are plenty of human civilisations more oppressive. Sparta, Dahomey and the Aztecs to name but a few.
True, and I suppose life under the Goa'uld is pretty fine, unless your local 'God' is feeling particularly testy that day and you're unlucky... :oops:

Of Mankind or Palpatine?
Little bit of both. I'm reminded of that TTS speech that gave Decius that pope-hat-boner... And then it went more than a little Sith...
 

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