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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Yep, though we don't see much of them.
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There are a few, but they're of a higher rank then Goa'uld that rule planets under another Goa'uld.
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I assume that's because there aren't that many of them, that most goa'uld who are mostly doing things like that have to be given their own planet just to stop them undergoing egotistical self-destruction.
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"Yes, its not like he is McGuyver" he says, glancing at Colonel O'Neill and smiling.
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The thing that I always wonder is that surly there must be a load Goa'uld since every Jaffa has a young Goa'uld inside them. Was that ever explained?
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Well when you put your babies inside people you send out to fight in deadly wars then the likelihood of them growing up tends to drop by a large degree.
The Goa'uld certainly have some interesting culinary traditions.
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I don't remember exactly how they work, but I do remember that they in fact do mature. There was an episode were one of the larval Goa'uld matured, had duped their rebel Jaffa into believing they had "changed their ways", got a host and then proceded to kill said rebel Jaffa.
Then again, the Goa'uld Queens can kinda engineer the larva to whatever suit their needs. The Tok'ra were engineered that way and Anubis convinced a Queen to join him and engineer blank Goa'uld (i.e. without any genetic memory) for his Kull warriors.
Also, I'm fairly certain we see more than a few Goa'uld infiltrators and some that were servants to others without ruling any planets, so surely there are more than a few Goa'uld with fairly low ranks.
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Funnily enough the infiltrators are shown to be higher ranked then those ruling planets under other Goa'uld.
Because ruling a single planet under another Goa'uld is basically what the Goa'uld use as the ultimate humiliation for their captured Goa'uld enemies.
Starring (part 16)
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9th October 1999
11:34 MDT
I try to keep a look of mild interest on my face as I'm led through the military facility where Earth keeps its stargate, even as I frantically data mine everything, their records, their research, their music and film library and the location of the planet…
I know where Earth is relative to everything else now. Not that I intend to share that with Bastet, but…
Haaaa…
Obviously I need to check that the film Stargate wasn't some sort of huge cover story for America's real stargate program. I'm not-. I know I won't find my family out there, in this Earth's Britain. But I'd like to visit anyway. Just to hear familiar-sounding voices.
But-. Focus. They had a physical barrier that could extend over the front of their stargate, though the gate itself was fixed in place. The only defences inside were a couple of fixed autocannons, though there is enough space for a squad to form up at the bottom of the ramp. That would be nasty for an attacker to charge into, but… Honestly, a couple of cannons could fire through the gate and kill everyone in the room if they could get the right angle, and from the way there was a blast shield over part of the wall at the opposite end of the room I suspect that they've got a control room overlooking the gate.
That's… An interesting design.
The soldiers escorting me aren't people I recognise from any previous contact, and they're not looking at me. I wasn't searched for weapons when I arrived, though I did make a point of showing that I wasn't wearing a kara kesh. We… Haven't passed anyone else in the corridor, probably because the route was cleared beforehand. I haven't been shown anything that would give me any idea what the surface looks like, or what the time or date are… If I didn't have a power ring.
Professional, but insufficiently paranoid.
I'm led to the door to a conference room, and my escort takes up position on either side of the door as their leader opens it for me.
"General Hammond is waiting for you."
I smile at him- "Thank you." -and then head on through.
At the head of the table is a bald and overweight man I assume to be the General. He's in his dress uniform, block of coloured ribbons representing medals included. Not sure whether that's a gesture of respect or an attempt to intimidate. If it's the latter… I don't know what he accomplished when he was younger and in shape, but he's not much of a threat now.
Three other people line the opposite side of the table. A short-haired blonde woman, a grey-haired man and Doctor Daniel Jackson, who has visited Syrania a few times.
He looks.. a little down.
"Lord Mammon." I return my attention to General Hammond. We've never met in person, though he's the one who signed off on all of our trades to date. Interesting that it's a General who is in charge rather than a civilian government official. The… State Department, I think it's called? "I am General George Hammond of Stargate Command. This is Colonel Jack O'Neill,-" Grey-haired man. Looks… Different to how I remember him. "-Major Sam Carter-" Blonde woman. Don't remember her. "-and you've already met Doctor Jackson. Please, take a seat."
"Thank you."
I hold out my right hand towards him, and after a moment's hesitation he half-rises and shakes it. Colonel O'Neil.. half raises an eyebrow at his colleagues as I hold it out to him, but he responds in kind without noticing the warning look from General Hammond. Major Carter is already holding out her hand, and only grimaces a little when I turn it aside and kiss her knuckles. Doctor Jackson-
"Peace be with you, Lord Mammon."
-manages to shake hands without incident, but he-. Yeah.
"Is something the matter, Doctor Jackson?"
"I-. Ah." Colonel O'Neil flashes me a small frown, while Doctor Jackson doesn't know where to look. "My-. My wife was.. abducted by Apophis."
"I'm sorry to hear that." Wait. "I heard that Amaunet took a new host a.. while ago. Is that..?"
He nods awkwardly. "We-. She died, recently."
"Ah." I nod. "I suppose that explains why I'm here. I don't have a sarcophagus device myself, but I could probably talk Lord Bastet into letting me use hers for a 'favoured servant'."
His eyebrows shoots up as he stares at me. "What?"
"Or are you-" I look at General Hammond. "-looking to buy a sarcophagus? I mean, I can get one, but it'll be expensive. Ah." I turn back to Dr. Jackson. "Best keep the body at between one and four degrees. Freezing it's a bad idea but you need it cool to impede decay." Huh. I frown. "Although given that she was a host, perhaps a little short term memory loss wouldn't be a bad thing?"
There's a certain amount of concerned looking around, but Colonel O'Neil is looking at me.
"And you're not at all concerned about sarcophaguses making you evil? Or is that a gimme for a goold?"
I frown. "I mean, they do cause brain lesions with repeated use, but it takes dozens of uses before it produces a noticeable change in the patient's behaviour. It's only a problem for goa'uld because we live so long. And… Anyone-. Any goa'uld with a kara kesh could fix them once they know they're there. Or I could do it."
I make a glowing orange spike appear from my left palm.
"I'd throw that in. For valued business partners."
Dr. Jackson's head whips around to face General Hammond. "General-."
"Go-" He nods. "-and make sure that your wife's body is being preserved properly."
Dr. Jackson is on his feet immediately- "Thank you." -and he's halfway to the door before he remembers me. "Ah, thanks-. Thank you."
"Think little of it. I'm happy to help."
And he's gone, at something of a clip. I smile at the swinging door, and then turn back to-.
Oh. Right. Colonel O'Neil's… Son.
"Ah… I'm sorry, but in your case…" I waggle my right hand back and forth. "Too much time has passed. There-" His eyes harden for a moment as he works out what I'm referring to, though his actual facial expression doesn't change from the mildly disinterested expression that appears to be his default. "-wouldn't be enough.. to work with."
"Mm." He sits back slightly. "So what exactly are you expecting in return for this act of generosity?"
Interesting point. Now that I've stolen their entire technical database, I don't need to trade for that side of things. So…
"Well, there's no point discussing it as a separate item. I assume that you wanted to have this talk here rather than an unoccupied world somewhere because you want something significant?"
Major Carter nods. "We'd like to significantly increase the amount of naquada you supply to us."
I make a show of thinking about it, then shrug. "That's… I mean, I can do it, but most of Lady Hestet's excess production is going on Lady Bastet's ship-building program. And my own build-up. I can double what I sell to you now without anyone caring, but anything above that is going to be very expensive. Same with trinium, if you were wondering."
Colonel O'Neil nods. "Can you get us a used Ha'tak with one careful owner?"
"Hah." I shake my head. "You couldn't afford it."
"Perhaps." General Hammond makes a open-hand gesture with his right hand. "But it would be helpful to my superiors to know what the price would be if we could."
How much..? Taking a Ha'tak from a minor goa'uld on the other side of the galaxy, killing or removing the crew and then flying it here… I could do it, but.. I don't know that I could conceal that someone glowing orange did it, and that's a risk.
"Two hundred thousand tonnes of gold and unrestricted tax-free access to your markets without intermediaries in perpetuity. And you'd have to arrange delivery, because I actually don't have a way to get it here without telling anyone paying attention that there's something going on in this system."
"Yeah, we…" Colonel O'Neil's eyes drop to the table. "Can't afford that."
I shrug. "Then let's see what you can afford."
11:34 MDT
I try to keep a look of mild interest on my face as I'm led through the military facility where Earth keeps its stargate, even as I frantically data mine everything, their records, their research, their music and film library and the location of the planet…
I know where Earth is relative to everything else now. Not that I intend to share that with Bastet, but…
Haaaa…
Obviously I need to check that the film Stargate wasn't some sort of huge cover story for America's real stargate program. I'm not-. I know I won't find my family out there, in this Earth's Britain. But I'd like to visit anyway. Just to hear familiar-sounding voices.
But-. Focus. They had a physical barrier that could extend over the front of their stargate, though the gate itself was fixed in place. The only defences inside were a couple of fixed autocannons, though there is enough space for a squad to form up at the bottom of the ramp. That would be nasty for an attacker to charge into, but… Honestly, a couple of cannons could fire through the gate and kill everyone in the room if they could get the right angle, and from the way there was a blast shield over part of the wall at the opposite end of the room I suspect that they've got a control room overlooking the gate.
That's… An interesting design.
The soldiers escorting me aren't people I recognise from any previous contact, and they're not looking at me. I wasn't searched for weapons when I arrived, though I did make a point of showing that I wasn't wearing a kara kesh. We… Haven't passed anyone else in the corridor, probably because the route was cleared beforehand. I haven't been shown anything that would give me any idea what the surface looks like, or what the time or date are… If I didn't have a power ring.
Professional, but insufficiently paranoid.
I'm led to the door to a conference room, and my escort takes up position on either side of the door as their leader opens it for me.
"General Hammond is waiting for you."
I smile at him- "Thank you." -and then head on through.
At the head of the table is a bald and overweight man I assume to be the General. He's in his dress uniform, block of coloured ribbons representing medals included. Not sure whether that's a gesture of respect or an attempt to intimidate. If it's the latter… I don't know what he accomplished when he was younger and in shape, but he's not much of a threat now.
Three other people line the opposite side of the table. A short-haired blonde woman, a grey-haired man and Doctor Daniel Jackson, who has visited Syrania a few times.
He looks.. a little down.
"Lord Mammon." I return my attention to General Hammond. We've never met in person, though he's the one who signed off on all of our trades to date. Interesting that it's a General who is in charge rather than a civilian government official. The… State Department, I think it's called? "I am General George Hammond of Stargate Command. This is Colonel Jack O'Neill,-" Grey-haired man. Looks… Different to how I remember him. "-Major Sam Carter-" Blonde woman. Don't remember her. "-and you've already met Doctor Jackson. Please, take a seat."
"Thank you."
I hold out my right hand towards him, and after a moment's hesitation he half-rises and shakes it. Colonel O'Neil.. half raises an eyebrow at his colleagues as I hold it out to him, but he responds in kind without noticing the warning look from General Hammond. Major Carter is already holding out her hand, and only grimaces a little when I turn it aside and kiss her knuckles. Doctor Jackson-
"Peace be with you, Lord Mammon."
-manages to shake hands without incident, but he-. Yeah.
"Is something the matter, Doctor Jackson?"
"I-. Ah." Colonel O'Neil flashes me a small frown, while Doctor Jackson doesn't know where to look. "My-. My wife was.. abducted by Apophis."
"I'm sorry to hear that." Wait. "I heard that Amaunet took a new host a.. while ago. Is that..?"
He nods awkwardly. "We-. She died, recently."
"Ah." I nod. "I suppose that explains why I'm here. I don't have a sarcophagus device myself, but I could probably talk Lord Bastet into letting me use hers for a 'favoured servant'."
His eyebrows shoots up as he stares at me. "What?"
"Or are you-" I look at General Hammond. "-looking to buy a sarcophagus? I mean, I can get one, but it'll be expensive. Ah." I turn back to Dr. Jackson. "Best keep the body at between one and four degrees. Freezing it's a bad idea but you need it cool to impede decay." Huh. I frown. "Although given that she was a host, perhaps a little short term memory loss wouldn't be a bad thing?"
There's a certain amount of concerned looking around, but Colonel O'Neil is looking at me.
"And you're not at all concerned about sarcophaguses making you evil? Or is that a gimme for a goold?"
I frown. "I mean, they do cause brain lesions with repeated use, but it takes dozens of uses before it produces a noticeable change in the patient's behaviour. It's only a problem for goa'uld because we live so long. And… Anyone-. Any goa'uld with a kara kesh could fix them once they know they're there. Or I could do it."
I make a glowing orange spike appear from my left palm.
"I'd throw that in. For valued business partners."
Dr. Jackson's head whips around to face General Hammond. "General-."
"Go-" He nods. "-and make sure that your wife's body is being preserved properly."
Dr. Jackson is on his feet immediately- "Thank you." -and he's halfway to the door before he remembers me. "Ah, thanks-. Thank you."
"Think little of it. I'm happy to help."
And he's gone, at something of a clip. I smile at the swinging door, and then turn back to-.
Oh. Right. Colonel O'Neil's… Son.
"Ah… I'm sorry, but in your case…" I waggle my right hand back and forth. "Too much time has passed. There-" His eyes harden for a moment as he works out what I'm referring to, though his actual facial expression doesn't change from the mildly disinterested expression that appears to be his default. "-wouldn't be enough.. to work with."
"Mm." He sits back slightly. "So what exactly are you expecting in return for this act of generosity?"
Interesting point. Now that I've stolen their entire technical database, I don't need to trade for that side of things. So…
"Well, there's no point discussing it as a separate item. I assume that you wanted to have this talk here rather than an unoccupied world somewhere because you want something significant?"
Major Carter nods. "We'd like to significantly increase the amount of naquada you supply to us."
I make a show of thinking about it, then shrug. "That's… I mean, I can do it, but most of Lady Hestet's excess production is going on Lady Bastet's ship-building program. And my own build-up. I can double what I sell to you now without anyone caring, but anything above that is going to be very expensive. Same with trinium, if you were wondering."
Colonel O'Neil nods. "Can you get us a used Ha'tak with one careful owner?"
"Hah." I shake my head. "You couldn't afford it."
"Perhaps." General Hammond makes a open-hand gesture with his right hand. "But it would be helpful to my superiors to know what the price would be if we could."
How much..? Taking a Ha'tak from a minor goa'uld on the other side of the galaxy, killing or removing the crew and then flying it here… I could do it, but.. I don't know that I could conceal that someone glowing orange did it, and that's a risk.
"Two hundred thousand tonnes of gold and unrestricted tax-free access to your markets without intermediaries in perpetuity. And you'd have to arrange delivery, because I actually don't have a way to get it here without telling anyone paying attention that there's something going on in this system."
"Yeah, we…" Colonel O'Neil's eyes drop to the table. "Can't afford that."
I shrug. "Then let's see what you can afford."
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The sarcophagus may be better suited to resurrecting humans since the tech it was based on was made by a race that's biologically connected to humanity, while the Goa'uld aren't.
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I forget, why do space snakes care about gold when they have unlimited asteroids around to mine?
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Four stated but only three described.
Jolly cooperation, with an amusing amount of mind-bending for one party who really didn't expect things to go like this.
Kinda surprised he wants gold. Given how much the System Lords have about it can't be all that rare.
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Gold is used in Earth tech like computers, so the Goa'uld may also use it for technical reasons.
They may also not be able to mine asteroids.
Remember that they're not really big into scientific advancements and usually steal tech.
It's possible that they just don't have the tech to mine asteroids.
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It isn't. The device the sarcophagus was derived from was not set for healing humans, it was set to healing Ancients, who are considerably more biologically complex for all that they look human from the outside(and can apparently interbreed somehow). As such, sarcophagi are not set properly when it comes to healing humans, they are just weaker in power so that it takes multiple cumulated uses to drive a human nuts till they are weaned off of it(as opposed to being in the Ancient Healing Device's immediate proximity for like 5-10 minutes).
Goa'uld are more resilient to a sarcophagus's effects so it takes more uses to drive them insane, but Goa'uld live long enough for most to start experiencing the effects anyway.
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That's not actually all that much gold. The US Federal Reserve has more than eight thousand tonnes of gold, they can afford to spend a couple percentage points of that on a spaceship. It might be a 'loop in the President for approval' kind of conversation, but they can afford it.
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They should be able to afford the gold if they talk to the president, but the market access and risk of tipping Goa'uld off that something worth paying attention to is going on in the system are the problem.
Maybe keep it at the Alpha site? That uninhabited planet they colonized purely to have a backup in case earth gets flattened at some point.
edit: never mind, the gold quantity has been upped by multiple orders of magnitude. I'm pretty sure that two hundred thousand tonnes of gold is all the gold that exists in a mined form on planet.
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Isn't the whole pyramid in the middle of their space-ships coated in the stuff? Maybe it is used as some sort of radiation shielding. I believe they will need a whole lot of it.
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I'm pretty sure that even if the system lords know how to engage in sophisticated industrial mining they mostly just don't.
Even in-atmosphere.
Except maybe for high-value rare minerals they use in their technology, and even then only if the seams are played out to conventional slave mining.(and maybe further restricted by it being one of the planets that treat them with reverence, instead of terror and barely-restrained hostility)
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Heh. Yoinking everything he can get his hands on from the late-90's internet. Nice. And finally we get an Earth date. And quite the year for SGC, with multiple turnabouts. Season 3, incidentally... Literally a day after the episode "Forever in a Day", if you count air-date as in-universe date...
Certainly a satisfying feeling to have a more complete awareness of your place in the universe, i suppose.
Ah, another version where your home town doesn't exist. Funny how that seems to apply to every version of the SI... Quite logical in Doylist terms. No angst over not going to see your family's alternates, or worrying that your counterpart would be in danger from your actions.
Some effective defences, but not up to his standard, eh? And yes, it has shown its weakness a few times. But it's not like they cane really rearrange things, having inherited the layout from the pre-opening project.
Which makes you the most dangerous thing on Earth, even past some nuclear weapons.
Hopefully at least one of them was keeping their eyes on him. After all, just because he's friendly doesn't mean he's safe.
Ooh, time to meet the core team.
And even if 'Mammon' knows about Earth, he might not care about little things like military honours.
Recent events, of course. His beloved wife just died... Along with the Goa'uld riding her. And it's a safe bet which is more deeply missed.
That's what happens when you go from being played by Kurt Russell to being played by Richard Dean Anderson...
Heh. Being a proper gentleman, of course. And entirely in character for someone who calls themself a 'god'.
Certainly being professional to bury his grief a little.
Which Paulmon might have heard about, if only by virtue of being in Bastet's inner circle.
At the hands of his teammate, no less. Which might explain why Teal'c isn't here. Probably searching for Apophis' son.
It might take some fast talking, especially if he doesn't repair her body beforehand to hide the obvious staff-blast wound.
...She's probably securely stored in the morgue coolers, isn't she?
Ah, yes. O'neill's accent. Not surprised it gets rendered like that. And I suppose their concerns about the sarcophagus use is pertinent, given at least one person in the room has been through one at least once.
Ah, he's here as much for a trading visit as to discuss Miss Duxley's behaviour, eh?
I think Paulmon just earned Jackson's eternal gratitude for that advice and offer...
Just imagine the butterflies from a non-bereaved Daniel Jackson...
Which is consistent between continuities, if I remember correctly.
Heh. Somehow, i don't think Jack enjoyed having that dragged out of his past.
Nice of him to feign generosity. And this must be something big, if he's here.
Hmm... Now why would they need additional materials, I wonder. A certain secret project that would be getting started at this point, perhaps?
Never mind the trick of having one going missing during an interstellar war between their owners.
The joy of having a reputation for that sort of thing. And even if only Bastet's subordinates have any idea of it, surely rumours might have spread.
Honestly, towing it via Ring power FTL on a wide loop outside Goa'uld space might manage it, but he'd have to be very careful. So not really worth the risk.
Well, then. A rather simple introduction to the SG-1 team, or most of it. And reviving Daniel's dead wife is going to go a long way to getting on their good side. As long as Paulmon is careful not to expose his relationship with Earth in the process, and whoever he gets to provide the sarcophagus time doesn't recognise Amaunet's host... Still, things are looking up for him with that acquired technical database.
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I'm pretty sure that if he asks Daniel whether he mentioned his son to anyone on Abydos and gets a negative they're going to realize Paulmon knows too much for his claimed information sources.
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I suspect that the 'unrestricted access to your markets' part is what's tripping them up. That's *dangerous* in any sort of situation where one side has a huge technological advantage over the other, as history has shown. Plus, they haven't even announced that aliens are real yet.
As a side note, here's a scale picture of all the gold in the world.
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Originally I had Teal'c being there, before I realised that General Hammond wouldn't put a shol'va in a meeting with a goa'uld.
Them giving it to him makes it convenient for when he goes on a shopping spree. But I can increase it.
Thank you, corrected.
No. Kurt Russell played Jack O'Neil. This is Jack O'Neill.
No, he just likes mispronouncing it.
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One of the things that I think has come up a few times is that they would like to have antiorbital weapons that would actually work on Ha'tak.
So either an explanation of how many nukes of what yield they'd need to knock down the shields, or the designs for a heavy duty anti ship weapon(either on a satellite or ground-based), would be valuable to them.
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Much better; that's nearly all the gold ever mined by human civilization, which is far more straightforwardly impossible.
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So, is Bastet a Lord or a Lady ? I think both terms were also used in previous chapters.
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At least we now have a firmer grasp of the timeline for the show. And good for Jackson, at least now there's a certain way to get his wife back and without the expected side-effects.
So, we get a meeting with Hammond and most of SG-1. Apparently they're in the process of building or at least designing their space-worthy vessels if they are in need of more naquadah. I wonder what they will get out of this? Perhaps not a Ha'tak but maybe their own Tel'tak or Death Glider, or even an Al'kesh, although that might get too expensive as well.
So is it Jack O'Neill or Jack O'Neil?
So, we get a meeting with Hammond and most of SG-1. Apparently they're in the process of building or at least designing their space-worthy vessels if they are in need of more naquadah. I wonder what they will get out of this? Perhaps not a Ha'tak but maybe their own Tel'tak or Death Glider, or even an Al'kesh, although that might get too expensive as well.
So is it Jack O'Neill or Jack O'Neil?
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Why is this word orange?
What's this?
Missing an L.
Perhaps sell them a smaller ship?