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I abhor the loss of innocent life... but is any life in Washington really innocent?
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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I abhor the loss of innocent life... but is any life in Washington really innocent?
Zig
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This and every other instance of it should be Adams
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My assumption would be that Zig was confused because in YJ continuity it's Adams not Adam, so every time Captain Atom was referred to before prior to this storyline it was Adams.
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Somebody just liked this comment from way back in 2021, which I'm taking as an excuse to bring the subject back up, particularly since the plot-line is most definitely resolved. Or at least relegated to ticking away in the background for the indefinite future...
Insofar as I can tell, when we last left the nazi-timeline, it had mostly returned to it's incredibly awful status quo with the slight exceptions that..
Overgirl had realized nazism was bad.
One of their speedsters was making occasional trips into the YJ dimension to meet up with Flash.
And Overman had gotten the local Paul alternate out of horrible nazi torture prison, declared him his friend... pssibly gotten him a job as a journalist? And given him a "summon Overman via inaudible-to-humans distress signal wristwatch". Turning him into something along the lines of Jimmy Olson to my understanding.
So, you know, maybe nazi-earth is being slightly guided in a positive direction. But the thing that gets me is that as far as I can tell, local-Paul was left there with no ring, no other powers, and no protection or ability to affect change or protect himself aside from the nominal shield and source of influence that is "Overman likes this guy and is keeping an eye on him."
My first big question is, did Paul somehow just never find out he had a local alternate in that dimension who had met a horrible fate? Because I cannot imagine him just being abandoned there otherwise. If nothing else, he would present a fascinating opportunity to do something along the lines of what they did with Xor. Bring him over, give him a new ring, and have him train with Paul until he reaches the level of competence at which he can go back and start affecting change on nazi-earth with minimal risk, and while he's training the corps gets all kinds of data on how Paul's earliest training may have looked.
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That article says his full name is
| In-story information | |
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| Full name | Nathaniel Christopher "Nate" Adams |
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And so on. As far as I can see, every entry in the body of the article calls him 'Adam'.The Wikipedia article said:
But more importantly:
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I can't recall completely, but I'm fairly certain the Illustres found out about his local version but was too busy with the Hell Earth crisis and then... I don't know, maybe forgot about him? Point is, he did left the poor fellow high and dry. I remember having that as my last thought for that arc.
From what I can see, that's actually the only place where "Adams" shows up. Everywhere else on that page says 'Adam'.
Wikipedia says said:
Wikipedia says said:
EDIT: Well, Mr Zoat already showed it.
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Illustres had a conversation with Overman about how his local variant wasn't allowed to keep the ring (and thus none of the Earth 10 locals knew that orange rings users can see desire with practice) and Overgirl was upset that Overman didn't tell her about him (Paul Freeman showed up before Overgirl was shunted to Earth 14).
That's the last we heard of him (presumably he's still writing his own column in the paper)
That's the last we heard of him (presumably he's still writing his own column in the paper)
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Huh weird.And so on. As far as I can see, every entry in the body of the article calls him 'Adam'.
But more importantly:
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Wonder how her version of retelling these events will come out.
"Diana ! An vile alien Warlord has come to assemble a team of heroes uplifted from this world's downtrodden to fight his eviler father!"
He has a ring but no power source and their experienced combatants took his ring as I recall.
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The link isn't working.
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I remembered that much, yeah. Him having shown up with the ring was a contributor to how he wound up in nazi prison being regularly beaten and otherwise abused. It was either destroyed or just ran out of power and either way he no longer has it.
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Ah, no. It comes up later. Despite his warnings about the deleterious mental effects they try to have one of their own proper Germans weild the ring with failures. Enough that they just stopped trying. Don't think they let him have it back though.
Also when our Paul shows up they weren't surprised the Ring was still wearable. They just assumed he stole it and showed his true colors.
Pun wasn't intended.
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I found an error after rereading this part. That should say "we've".
Justice Segue (part 9)
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BOOM!
17th November 2017
15:35 GMT +8
"Tenzin Cering!" I stride through the portal into the Chinese black site, and because I know that the Chinese are a bit more on the ball with summary executions that the Americans I've come out next to his cell and disarmed the soldiers on guard. No, not soldiers. Some sort of Chinese K.G.B. types? They were armed, anyway, and now they're not. "I'm looking for Tenzin Cering!"
"I am here."
One of the guards lunges for the wall-mounted alarm, and gets sonic blasted by Subjekt-17 until his bones fracture. He falls to the ground with a quiet, high-pitched moan.
"Auuuhhhhauuuuuuhaaauuuhhhh…"
The other guard runs at me and punches me in the-. In the groin armour, and promptly breaks his fingers. He pulls back, shielding it as he tries to work out what to do next.
"Funny thing. Prior to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the Chinese Communist Party tried to restore order using local army units. But confronted by people handing them flowers, some of whom they knew personally, they weren't prepared to break heads in the way the Party wanted. So they pulled them out and sent in soldiers from rural areas, as indoctrinated as they could find, who wouldn't have those sort of normal human hang-ups about killing peaceful, unarmed people."
I rip the cell door out of the wall and chuck it down the corridor.
"So I'm curious. How much violence have you two been dolling out to defenceless prisoners? Subjekt Seventeen?"
"A great deal."
"A great deal." I bow my head and wave my right hand from Subjekt 17 to the guard. "Oh dear. Then do as you-."
"No." Mr. Tenzin limps out of his cell, face swollen. "Do them no violence. Please."
"Really? I mean, I understand that you're a Buddhist, but I think that a little corrective chastisement might, you know, burn off a little karmic debt?"
"You are here to free me?"
"Free you and load your head with your past life memories."
"Then violence against these people would only be retribution. It would serve no greater purpose." He leans against a wall to steady himself. "Though if you have an aspirin, I would not be averse to receiving it."
Subjekt-17 takes hold of the guard who is still standing and slams him against the wall. Hard enough to severely injure him, not hard enough to kill him.
Mr. Tenzin looks at the fallen guard in concern, then at Subjekt-17. I shake my head. "He's had a rough seventy years. Does the 'no violence' thing extend to Gods of Evil?"
"It does not extend to humans. I try to limit unnecessary violence, but it is not an absolute prohibition." He looks down the corridor. "Please. There are many other prisoners here."
I take a purple healing ray out of subspace and hand it over to him. "Point it at yourself and pull the trigger to heal your injuries. What are the other prisoners in for?"
"This is a prison for political prisoners. Some of them may have committed normal crimes-."
"If you were guilty, there are a thousand prisons in China where they would lock you away." I sigh. "Fine. I-."
"What?" Subjekt-17 glowers at me. "What does he ask?"
"Humans are so evil, Subjekt-17, that they sometimes treat other humans as Subjekts. These human Subjekts want us to help them escape. Do you think we can do that?"
He looks around, the-
Someone in the guard post finally looks at their camera screen and activates the alarm.
-telepathic portions of his brain activating as he takes in our environment. "Such cruelty. Disgusting. Keep them away from me."
I nod. Ugh. I need to get Mr. Tenzin powered up myself, Subjekt-17 isn't interested in rescuing people and Queen Hippolyta isn't bullet-resistant. I'll have to interrupt Captain Adam, which is poor form, but I think he might appreciate something morally unambiguous.
Mother Box, boom tube.
BOOM.
Pin-
Captain Adam flies backwards through the hole and slams into the wall!
-g.
"Ah, are you alright?"
He straightens himself up. "I'm not hurt. I was handling the invisible guy, then someone hit me from behind."
"Can I assume that your training focused on aircraft more than infantry combat?"
"That's fair." He looks around. "Where are we?"
"Chinese political prison. Please break everyone out and send them through-"
BOOM!
"-that boom tube. Allies of mine will have food and medical aid waiting."
"China-. Are you crazy? Even Nixon didn't-."
"You're a man made of silver. As long as you don't tell anyone your name, I don't see how anyone can trace it to anywhere. I speak with an English accent and I'm an alien. And you can't tell me that they don't have it coming."
Mr. Tenzin has finished with the healing ray, so I grab it off him and hand it to Mr. Adam.
"This is an anti-gun. It makes people healthy by shooting them."
"That-. That doesn't make sense."
"If you want to make it an actual ray gun there's a dial on the side." He checks, and avoids touching it. "That's a bit superfluous for you, but I understand if you have a childish desire to play with a death ray."
"Healing ray gun. Sure, why not. How many people?"
Looks like… "Thirty eight."
The door to the next cell along vanishes in a flare of purple. "On it."
I nod. "Mister Tenzin, where do we need to take you?"
"Tibet. My father's temple."
Sinestro, scan for his father.
There is a slight issue there, Lantern.
What? Oh, no. Of course. The Chinese have their own candidate. No matter that forcing past life memories into some random arsehole will at best do nothing, with permanent mental damage being the intermediate result, I don't want a Party-approved arsehole getting those powers. Though that's almost certainly why they left his father outside of prison himself.
I armour Mr. Tenzin and open a new boom tube.
BOOM!
"Please, as little violence-."
Subjekt-17 walks through ahead of me, and I shrug.
"No promise."
17th November 2017
15:35 GMT +8
"Tenzin Cering!" I stride through the portal into the Chinese black site, and because I know that the Chinese are a bit more on the ball with summary executions that the Americans I've come out next to his cell and disarmed the soldiers on guard. No, not soldiers. Some sort of Chinese K.G.B. types? They were armed, anyway, and now they're not. "I'm looking for Tenzin Cering!"
"I am here."
One of the guards lunges for the wall-mounted alarm, and gets sonic blasted by Subjekt-17 until his bones fracture. He falls to the ground with a quiet, high-pitched moan.
"Auuuhhhhauuuuuuhaaauuuhhhh…"
The other guard runs at me and punches me in the-. In the groin armour, and promptly breaks his fingers. He pulls back, shielding it as he tries to work out what to do next.
"Funny thing. Prior to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the Chinese Communist Party tried to restore order using local army units. But confronted by people handing them flowers, some of whom they knew personally, they weren't prepared to break heads in the way the Party wanted. So they pulled them out and sent in soldiers from rural areas, as indoctrinated as they could find, who wouldn't have those sort of normal human hang-ups about killing peaceful, unarmed people."
I rip the cell door out of the wall and chuck it down the corridor.
"So I'm curious. How much violence have you two been dolling out to defenceless prisoners? Subjekt Seventeen?"
"A great deal."
"A great deal." I bow my head and wave my right hand from Subjekt 17 to the guard. "Oh dear. Then do as you-."
"No." Mr. Tenzin limps out of his cell, face swollen. "Do them no violence. Please."
"Really? I mean, I understand that you're a Buddhist, but I think that a little corrective chastisement might, you know, burn off a little karmic debt?"
"You are here to free me?"
"Free you and load your head with your past life memories."
"Then violence against these people would only be retribution. It would serve no greater purpose." He leans against a wall to steady himself. "Though if you have an aspirin, I would not be averse to receiving it."
Subjekt-17 takes hold of the guard who is still standing and slams him against the wall. Hard enough to severely injure him, not hard enough to kill him.
Mr. Tenzin looks at the fallen guard in concern, then at Subjekt-17. I shake my head. "He's had a rough seventy years. Does the 'no violence' thing extend to Gods of Evil?"
"It does not extend to humans. I try to limit unnecessary violence, but it is not an absolute prohibition." He looks down the corridor. "Please. There are many other prisoners here."
I take a purple healing ray out of subspace and hand it over to him. "Point it at yourself and pull the trigger to heal your injuries. What are the other prisoners in for?"
"This is a prison for political prisoners. Some of them may have committed normal crimes-."
"If you were guilty, there are a thousand prisons in China where they would lock you away." I sigh. "Fine. I-."
"What?" Subjekt-17 glowers at me. "What does he ask?"
"Humans are so evil, Subjekt-17, that they sometimes treat other humans as Subjekts. These human Subjekts want us to help them escape. Do you think we can do that?"
He looks around, the-
Someone in the guard post finally looks at their camera screen and activates the alarm.
-telepathic portions of his brain activating as he takes in our environment. "Such cruelty. Disgusting. Keep them away from me."
I nod. Ugh. I need to get Mr. Tenzin powered up myself, Subjekt-17 isn't interested in rescuing people and Queen Hippolyta isn't bullet-resistant. I'll have to interrupt Captain Adam, which is poor form, but I think he might appreciate something morally unambiguous.
Mother Box, boom tube.
BOOM.
Pin-
Captain Adam flies backwards through the hole and slams into the wall!
-g.
"Ah, are you alright?"
He straightens himself up. "I'm not hurt. I was handling the invisible guy, then someone hit me from behind."
"Can I assume that your training focused on aircraft more than infantry combat?"
"That's fair." He looks around. "Where are we?"
"Chinese political prison. Please break everyone out and send them through-"
BOOM!
"-that boom tube. Allies of mine will have food and medical aid waiting."
"China-. Are you crazy? Even Nixon didn't-."
"You're a man made of silver. As long as you don't tell anyone your name, I don't see how anyone can trace it to anywhere. I speak with an English accent and I'm an alien. And you can't tell me that they don't have it coming."
Mr. Tenzin has finished with the healing ray, so I grab it off him and hand it to Mr. Adam.
"This is an anti-gun. It makes people healthy by shooting them."
"That-. That doesn't make sense."
"If you want to make it an actual ray gun there's a dial on the side." He checks, and avoids touching it. "That's a bit superfluous for you, but I understand if you have a childish desire to play with a death ray."
"Healing ray gun. Sure, why not. How many people?"
Looks like… "Thirty eight."
The door to the next cell along vanishes in a flare of purple. "On it."
I nod. "Mister Tenzin, where do we need to take you?"
"Tibet. My father's temple."
Sinestro, scan for his father.
There is a slight issue there, Lantern.
What? Oh, no. Of course. The Chinese have their own candidate. No matter that forcing past life memories into some random arsehole will at best do nothing, with permanent mental damage being the intermediate result, I don't want a Party-approved arsehole getting those powers. Though that's almost certainly why they left his father outside of prison himself.
I armour Mr. Tenzin and open a new boom tube.
BOOM!
"Please, as little violence-."
Subjekt-17 walks through ahead of me, and I shrug.
"No promise."
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Thank you, corrected.
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Ahh, the guy that was supposed to be the seventeenth Accomplished Perfect Physician.
"This human Subjekt"
Ohh, like you never said pew pew nouses when you used it.
Embrace the madness.
"that"
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If this is Grayven internally asking Sinestro to scan, no need for an ending quotation mark.
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Hm. The links seems to have been changed from 1d4chan to 2d4chan, but it still isn't working.
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Ah, the true Accomplished Perfect Physician. The man Yao Fei inadvertently killed before taking his place in atonement. And their sonic-based powers will probably synergise quite well with Seventeen's.
Ow. And he's not even unconscious from the impact...
...Good sense and brave, even if trying to nutshot the giant grey man probably wasn't the smartest idea.
...Controversial indeed. Still, it was a logical, if utterly callous move.
Joy of having a mind reader handy.
Time for some judicious ultra-violence, eh? I bet Sev's happy...
...Ah, spoiled by the man of peace. Also, I'm not sure Sev doing some chastisement will taint your karma much, sir monk...
In other words, empowering a new ally. And a potential super-hero.
Ah, Sev saying 'fuck Karma', eh? I'm sure the fellow deserved it, but show some teamwork, Sev...
I get the feeling master Tenzin will be having quite a few moral quandaries about working with the Renegade...
At least master Tenzin should find this sort of thing much more palatable.
Well, that was an unexpected literary reference there. And probably quite appropriate.
Not a lot of compassion for humans? Get used to it, Sev, you're stuck with them for now.
So, not interested? And he can't even work off some of that annoyance with the deserving guards...
Honestly, I think he might appreciate the break.
"Good timing, it looks like." Quite the entrance. J'onn proving tougher than expected?
To be fair, that could easily have been the invisible guy. But then, I doubt he's had any experience of telekinesis.
Don't worry, Nate, you'll get the hang of super-heroic fights quickly enough.
No doubt Nate's wondering who these allies are, but he'll soon meet them for himself.
Ironically, Nixon did go to China. But I suppose Nate didn't exactly get the daily paper where he was...
An ironic way to put it, but entirely accurate.
What boy of the fifties didn't?
Not a lot. Then again, that might only be this block...
Another political hot spot. Making quite the whistlestop tour, Renegade.
...Let me guess, someone else being forced to undergo the process?
Which raises the question of what other super-humans they have sitting around, ready to make use of in this universe?
It will be at a temple, after all.
...Hoo boy.
Ah, complications. What plan can't they mess up? Let's hope they haven't reached the point of no return in the empowerment process, so they can at least sub in Tenzin. Sadly, I have the feeling the current recipient isn't Yao Fei, who would at least be reasonable about these things. Which will probably result in a super-powered fight. So, get your popcorn ready. Ngamer11
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That should say 'in'.
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You can force it to go to 2d4chan, the issue is that it's a mirror that's flagging with 1d4chan's credentials. Root is unfortunately still MIA and at this point I don't think it matters even if he does come back.
That being said, Meat Cube was a success so 1d6chan is now operational and editable.
Games Workshop on 1d6.
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Reports indicate Root took it down on purpose because he didn't like the effect the memey pages had on the 40k fandom.
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Why do you think he said he understands?
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No, that's correct. There are plenty of other people in the prison who want to escape.
Thank you, corrected.
Works for me. Anyone else?
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Anyways, I guess it's neither here nor there. There is an editable iterations running off of the most up to date backup they had while the original site is non-responsive and the mirror is non-editable.
Edit: My bad, I think I see the confusion. Root did have 1d4chan delisted from google so it wouldn't populate in the search results but that was years ago. If he intended to offline it permanently since he went MIA, then that's his prerogative but no one's heard from him in 4+ months.
Regardless, there's a functional iteration that is being maintained, can be edited and doesn't have certification problems that make browsers freak out.
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Should be ' Subjekt '
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Thank you, corrected.
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When I click the link I get a warning that the connection isn't private.