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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I still think the Monsanto seed business model is shady as fuck, but I can see the arguments for non-replicating GMO crops. I'm just pretty sure being able to force a customer to keep returning to buy from them was a non-trivial factor in their decision making process.
 
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Now I'm wondering if gently setting a bunch of ice comets on Antarctica and the north pole would help our magic-free world. Or stacking them. That's to bandaid how quickly they are melting, nothing to do with fresh water.
Short answer: the heat generated by the comet falling into the atmosphere would melt the ice in the comet and then add even more heat to the Earth biosphere, so it's not a good idea.

Longer answer:
 
I still think the Monsanto seed business model is shady as fuck, but I can see the arguments for non-replicating GMO crops. I'm just pretty sure being able to force a customer to keep returning to buy from them was a non-trivial factor in their decision making process.

It is shady AF and so is Monsanto in general.
 
April 27th, 2013
09:12 EST


"…greenhouses, where the latest of LexCorp's genetically engineered crop strains are cultivated before being transferred to the fields."

I nod slowly as I follow Miss Teschmacher through the greenhouse. That's not how Mister Kent does it, but I guess if something goes wrong with a novel plant then they want to have a record of everything that happened to it so they can work out what they did wrong.
Looks like Mitchell made it to day one orientation, by the looks of it. And naturally, they're showing him farms. As for their practices, that's damn sensible. No telling what mutations could make it past the engineering phase unnoticed...

"Any questions so far?"

"Uh. Yeah-. Yes." She's watching me-. "Uh, are those fields open air?"
Hopefully with a solid buffer zone, then. Nature doesn't like to be confined, after all...

"Of course. We need to test these plants in conditions which match those they'll actually be farmed in… As near as possible. For cultivars designed for more extreme climates we do smaller batches in artificial environments and then arrange to perform larger tests closer to where they're intended to be grown."
Still, one errant runaway mutant strain, and anything could happen. I assume they've also developed super-herbicides for that situation.

"Don't you have a problem with… Cross-pollination? I mean, if bees take pollen from a modified plant and pollinate the unmodified type…"

I probably shouldn't be asking that. But she just smiles.
Eh, not an unreasonable concern. Given how some people react to the idea of genetically-modified plants...

"Mitchell, I know perfectly well that your mother in Wonder Woman and that… The Justice League doesn't have a great relationship with LexCorp." She looks at me for a moment, so I nod. "But you should know two things about us. Firstly, we're here to make money. We make most of our money in the high technology sector; we depend on a functioning global economy, with billions of market participants. The current broken state of human society hurts us a lot more than it hurts the Justice League. I must have worn this dress at least twice before today."
I do hope she's joking. Still, dealing with disasters is a going concern for major corporations on Earth Sixteen...

Her smile broadens for a moment, so I think that was supposed to be a joke. But I don't get it. I've worn this shirt dozens of times at least, and Conner's got a wardrobe that's basically just identical copies of the same stuff. If it wasn't for M'gann, that would be his whole wardrobe.
Hey, Guys like to wear the same outfits for days at a time. I assume Miss Teschmacher is expected to have a fairly high-class wardrobe.

"Secondly, there is no profit in the end of the world. So now is a really bad time for taking dangerous risks. Every one of these strains makes use of genetic use restriction technology. They'll still produce pollen, and they need to be fertilised by an insect-. We actually have our own bee hives, just over…"
And I would not be surprised if they had some manner of insect controller on staff to manage them.

She raises her right forefinger as she tries to remember.

"Over that way." She points in the direction of the buzzing noise I can hear and the sweet scent I can smell. "But they can't pass on the modified characteristics for more than one generation. One of the things we're working on here is an improved version of that technology that would prevent any kind of cross-pollination."
Effectively ensuring that farmers can't produce more of your crops without your direct assistance, of course.

"Is there a market for that?"

"Just about every agribusiness in the world is interested in improved terminator technology."
An actual concern in the real world too. As much for ecological safety as corporate control.

"Yeah, but… With farmers. Don't they.. usually keep some of their own seeds to plant the next year?"

"That depends on which part of the world you're talking about. That's certainly common in less economically developed countries, but in more economically developed countries farmers usually buy seeds annually for annual plants. And this way, whenever we come up with a new variety it just slots into the purchase schedule."
Heh. Imagine the targetted advertising for farmers involving that kind of thing... "New this year from Lexcorp Agricultural: Super-corn! Triple the yield from the same planting and minimal supplemental nutrient needs! Get yours today!"

"But… Haven't we had massive disruptions in shipping for the last few years?"

Miss Teschmacher nods. "Yes, and that's been a major problem, as I said. Without the ability to ship seeds to farmers, the entire LexFarms subdivision of LexCorp has been going into the red."
Though I expect the financial side understands that's a temporary thing. No mass layoffs in the name of profit margins, or anything...

"No, I mean, for farmers. If they can't get seeds, then they can't farm."

"No, no. While I stand behind the supremacy of LexCorp products, there are alternate suppliers on every continent. While it reduces end user choice, the system still works."
But you're obliged to note that Lexcrop's stuff is superior to the regular product, aren't you? 😏

"Uh…"

"Well, put it this way. How many normal farmers have access to a cutting edge genetics research laboratory?"

"None?"
That you know of. Who knows if there's some super-genius making his own super-crops via mad science?

"None. So there's no way for them to take advantage of the techniques we use to improve their yields, drought resistance, disease and pesticide resistance, or heat and colds resistance. They could try using traditional techniques to breed new varieties, but that takes a long time. The first known orange carrots existed in the sixth century, but it wasn't until the eighteenth century that the Dutch produced a variety that was always orange. Here, we can engineer carrots that are just about any color, and are far hardier and more nutritious than normal varieties as well."
Yes, people who complain about GMOs do tend to forget that farmers do selective breeding for stuff. I bet half their issue is they're picturing intellectual people in labcoats doing the work and not Farmer Joe in his dirty overalls...

"What's..? Wrong with purple carrots?"

"Ah, they taste slightly bitter to the modern pallet. There's nothing.. wrong with them exactly -not like some of the older varieties of potatoes- it's just that they could be better."
And there are a lot of varieties, just at a quick glance. Some of which would make modern folks go 'wait, that's a potato?"

I nod. "So is this where you work?"

"No, but it's where you'll be spending about half your time. I hope you don't mind farm work."
Not like he isn't in good shape for it.

"No, grandma's put me to work on the farms on Themyscira. This is a… It's a bit more sophisticated. But I'm sure I can cope with it."

"That's the spirit! The other half of the time you'll be with me in my office in Market Analysis. It probably won't be very interesting, lot's of fetching and carrying, but I'll try and make sure that you know why everything's happening."

Huh? "Is there a lot of… Market to analyse right now? I thought everything was-. I mean, transport, and-."
Bet he and Kon are handy when a horse can't pull a plow. And at least he won't be out in the paddocks all the time.

She nods. "It's true, we're not doing much typical market analysis right now, but if anything what we're doing is even more essential than usual. Rather than looking at what could give us an edge over our competition, we're looking at what it is that people really need. For example, quite a lot of the U.S. has problems with water shortages, which is made worse by the fact that we can't really import as much food as we used to and even if we could, South America is exporting much less than it was a few years ago. What do you think that means for LexFoods, and LexCorp in general?"
Ooh. Yeah, the South America thing is a bit awkward. A good reminder that stuff OL does has consequences for everyone.

"Ah. Farm land is a lot more valuable. And so are farmers, because people don't learn how to farm in schools."

She nods. "It's a shrinking profession."
Even if they can handle more land with modern technology, they still need people to control that machinery...

"And KordTech's weather control system… Ah, it's not really working so well right now."

"It's working, but it's not expanding. On their original outline, supplying water to drought-stricken areas in the U.S. was something they'd have started this year. But with Atlantis not able to supply them they're down to a faction of the staff they need to sustain normal operations."
Another bit of awkward consequences. Someone's really going to have to work on the Atlantis thing.

"So agricultural land's a lot more valuable than it was."

"People always need land, but the U.S. needs skilled farmers and water for irrigation. And not just drilling aquifers; if they aren't replenished, that just buys the area a few years. So that means piping it in, desalination plants or magic. We even looked at the viability of bringing in a ice comet!"
...With what, captured alien space ships? 🤔 It's not like there are that many capes on Earth with interplanetary capabilities.

"Uh…"

"Oh, don't worry. That one was more of a theoretical exercise. Because unless you can bring in a new comet every few years you end up back where you started."
...No comment on the increased water quantity messing with weather? Edit: Bit of a silly question, really. Honestly, in this universe, the worry would be any exotic things which might turn up in such comets...

That's a relief. And not just because I'd be worried if LexCorp drops a comet somewhere, but because the Justice League could easily do that, and if it could have actually helped

"So, ah, what exactly would I be doing around here?"

"Well, a lot of the monitoring is done by computer, but we still need a human to run their eyes over everything. Why don't I show you the soil analysis robots?"
Yes, best not to let things go unmonitored. While I doubt their systems are complex enough to manifest an emergent synthetic intelligence, best not to take the chance...

I suppose if nothing else, it's rather hard to commit super-crimes with crops. ;) Unless you're Swamp Thing or the Floronic Man or guys like that... So it's only the shady but generally-legal business of farm supply and growing. I suspect Mitchell's time in the office will be the more interesting to see in general, though.
 
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I still think the Monsanto seed business model is shady as fuck, but I can see the arguments for non-replicating GMO crops. I'm just pretty sure being able to force a customer to keep returning to buy from them was a non-trivial factor in their decision making process.
It was the entire decision making process; while the concerns regarding possible spread of mutant plants are definitely valid, 100% of the reason why such companies use genetic terminator technology is to force people to keep buying their product.

Companies do not want to sell you their product once and then you have it and can use it forever, they want to sell you their product as many times as possible. It's why shit like planned obsolescence is a thing: Products are intentionally and deliberately designed with a relatively short lifespan so as to ensure that customers regularly need to purchase a new product, thus providing a reliable and secure stream of revenue to the company for no additional work.
 
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Most or all of the urls in the spoiler boxes have a doubled up bit [http://'https//], which makes them not work.

Huh. Thank you for letting me know. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to fix that. The doubling isn't there when I paste it into the BB Code mode editor. It seems to get added when I click Save. I'm going to fiddle with this and try to figure something out.

And now it won't recognize the second spoiler tag set either.

I could use the non-BB Code link adding button, but it involves an annoyingly greater amount of RSI worsening movement than the other one. That is what I used for the links outside the spoiler tags so I might go that route eventually.

Edited to add: Got it. My text editor was automatically replacing the quotation marks with smart quotes, which aren't the ones used for BB Code. Switched to a mono-spaced font and did a few find-and-replaces and it fixed it. I should remember these things, but I missed it. Sigh. Thanks again for pointing it out.
 
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speaking of Atlantis, what do we know about their current state? they disappeared when the Anti-life hit... and then what? radio silence ever since? nobody has tried to locate them? even Dr. Mist can't find them?

i mean yes, they're essential for the rebuilding and it would be great to have them around. but at this point i have to assume that something fucky is happening there to keep them from peeking their heads up. they had to have felt the White Light purge, and even if they didn't know exactly what it was, someone would have poked their head up for a glance to see what's going on.
 
speaking of Atlantis, what do we know about their current state? they disappeared when the Anti-life hit... and then what? radio silence ever since? nobody has tried to locate them? even Dr. Mist can't find them?

i mean yes, they're essential for the rebuilding and it would be great to have them around. but at this point i have to assume that something fucky is happening there to keep them from peeking their heads up. they had to have felt the White Light purge, and even if they didn't know exactly what it was, someone would have poked their head up for a glance to see what's going on.
My best guess is this is Ahri'ahn's plot in the Paragon timeline.
 
Now I'm wondering if gently setting a bunch of ice comets on Antarctica and the north pole would help our magic-free world. Or stacking them. That's to bandaid how quickly they are melting, nothing to do with fresh water.
Increases world temperatures and increases sea level. Definitely not helpful at this time.
 
Working Relationship (part 6)
April 27th, 2013
09:23 EST


Mr. Flaherty smiles. "Well, that's easy Mitchell! If we had a dedicated rail track for them, it would stop the whole process if anything went wrong with it. The computer could route around it, but it would cause a whole section of the greenhouses and fields to become unavailable! But with these-"

He pats the chassis of the robot he was working on. It looks a bit like the industrial floor cleaning machines I've seen in the Happy Harbour grocery store near closing time. It has larger wheels and the rotary mops are replaced by the mechanical sampler arms, but I suppose it's doing a similar job.

"-as standard, we can just send in another robot to pick up the load while we fix the one that's gone wrong. They can even transfer soil samples between them without risking external contamination." His face goes a little downcast. "If that ever happened, I'd need a real good excuse why I didn't just fix the thing."

Miss Teschmacher raises her eyebrows. "Has that function ever been used?"

"Ah, only in field trials. We wanted to make sure that it actually worked in the fields, when it was raining and the ground was churned up. Took a while for the computer to get the hang of navigating like that, but it worked fine."

I nod. "Do they drive themselves, or does the main computer handle it?"

"Mostly, they drive themselves, but the main computer handles task assignment and monitors them to make sure they're not doing anything stupid. In theory they can handle regular tasks without the main computer, but, y'know, belts and suspenders."

I smile. "But they can't fix themselves, right?"

"No, no, they can. I'm just cheaper than the engineer robot." He chuckles. "But seriously, humans are a lot more adaptable than any robot-." He glances aside for a moment. "Any robot that isn't legally a person, anyway."

"Oh yeah, I heard about LexCorp having an AI. Have you met it?"

"Ah…" He looks a little awkward. "Technically? I know it-. He…" He does a small shrug. "He tends to use Mister Luthor's face when he has to talk to someone, but I don't know if he actually thinks of himself as male-. Anyway, I check that our data is getting submitted properly, and I know it all goes to him, but I don't think he's ever said anything to me directly."

I frown. "You don't think?"

"Well, he's an AI, so it's pretty easy for him to put on a voice or change his e-mail address. But I don't know if he's got that sort of sense of humour. Or any sense of humour at all."

Miss Teschmacher rolls her eyes. "He does. Don't ask me how I know."

He raises his hands. "You're the boss. So, anything else you wanna know?"

I point to the robot that he's working on. "What's wrong with this one?"

"Oh, nothing much, really. The air filters need replacing; that's the most common problem they have. Dust, pollen…" He shrugs. "Procedure is to also do a manual inspection on the rest of it at the same time, but that almost never turns up anything. Here, I'll show you."

He presses a few buttons on his laptop, and the side of the robot opens up. I crouch down to get a better look. Inside… It's pretty rugged. The samples…

"It doesn't do the tests itself?"

"No. Mass spectrometers that size aren't rugged enough to use on a farm."

Huh. I guess it makes sense. There's a carousel where the sample containers get brought to the sampling mechanism, and then they get loaded into a rack-.

"And I guess the robot can insert this bit right into the testing machine?"

"That's right. Then an empty one gets loaded back in, and then it's back to work."

"And…" I look down. "This bit is for the fertiliser?"

"Ah, mostly. We can actually set it to spray just about any solution we need. We do test a variety of different soil conditions here. Remember, this isn't a commercial farm. We're not trying to make a profit selling our produce. We sometimes deliberately damage or poison our plants to check exactly what their performance thresholds are."

"But… If you're just trying to maximise yields, you-. You'd be testing them with whatever fertilizer the farmer would be using, right?"

"Yeah, a lot of the time. But there's actually a big problem in some places with fertilizer run-off getting into rivers and lakes. See, it basically supercharges the algae, which sounds okay, until they die and start rotting. That supercharges the bacteria, which breed like crazy and use up all the oxygen in the lake. And that kills everything that needs oxygen, which is just about everything. A few of the strains we're growing now are designed specifically to flourish without fertilizer."

I frown. I guess a variety that produced less… Fruit or seeds would need less fertilizer and wouldn't risk killing itself by producing more than the soil could support. That's basically what winnowing is. But that's not exactly flourishing.

I turn to look up at him. "How does that work?"

"Ah, heh." He chuckles awkwardly. "Get a full time job at LexCorp, stick at it for five to eight years, and then sign a bunch of non-disclosure agreements, and you can find out!"

Huh. That's… Fair, I guess. I'm basically just here to fetch and carry things. They're not going to let an intern in on company secrets. I could just get a closer look at the plants when I do… Whatever manual stuff that needs to be done with them, but… That's not why I'm here.

So I just stand up and shrug. "Well, maybe. What other robots do you work on?"

"Just the planting and harvesting robots. They're like bigger, more adaptable combine harvesters. They can actually.. work as combine harvesters, but like I said, we don't usually grow for volume here."

I frown. I don't know much about the Kent farm, but I'm pretty sure they hire seasonal laborers rather than using farming robots.

"Isn't something like that really expensive? I mean, compared to just hiring people."

He shrugs. "They don't let me work on people."

Miss Teschmacher does a… P.R. smile. "While LexCorp does own farms which make extensive use of human resources, in this facility it's important to accurately record everything in a way that would be impractical for a human agricultural laborer."

I nod. "And.. I.. guess that if someone needs to work for LexCorp for years to even find out what you're working on, farm hands would be a security risk, huh?"

Neither of them say anything, though Mr. Flaherty awkwardly looks at Miss Teschmacher for a moment.

I shake my head, not wanting to get him in trouble. "It makes sense. We mostly have other Amazons working at the embassy, or other people Mom's known for a long time. Sometimes, we get… People who probably shouldn't work there applying for positions."

Miss Teschmacher nods. Mom says that she always phrases it like that because people assume it's some sort of sex thing. Actually, the real problem comes from spy agencies and people working for criminals. If Mom was body-shy she wouldn't have spent decades fighting crime in a metal swimsuit.

I don't really… I don't have a costume, but if I actually started being a full time superhero I'd probably copy Conner's old style rather than wear something skin-tight. I mean, a solar suit would do more for me than him, but…

It has some really bad memories for me.

"Okay, so where are we going next?"

Miss Teschmacher checks her planner for a moment. "How.. about.. we check out the fields, and you can see the planting robots in action, then I can show you what you'll be doing for the rest of the day?"

I smile at her. "Sounds good. Ah, how smart are they?"

"About as smart as the sampler robots. We're not running an AI slave plantation."

"No, I didn't mean-."

"AIs that intelligent are far too expensive." And she smiles like it's a joke, but she did just kind of imply that they would if they were cheaper. They did with the genomorphs, even if they tried blaming Jim Harper. "This way."
 
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April 27th, 2013
09:23 EST


Mr. Flaherty smiles. "Well, that's easy Mitchell! If we had a dedicated rail track for them, it would stop the whole process if anything went wrong with it. The computer could route around it, but it would cause a whole section of the greenhouses and fields to become unavailable! But with these-"

He pats the chassis of the robot he was working on. It looks a bit like the industrial floor cleaning machines I've seen in the Happy Harbour grocery store near closing time. It has larger wheels and the rotary mops are replaced by the mechanical sampler arms, but I suppose it's doing a similar job.
I'm assuming they're some manner of light off-road tyre, with six to eight of them and a low centre of gravity. So, basically like mini space-rovers. :p It'd certainly fit in an animated show, if nothing else.

"-as standard, we can just send in another robot to pick up the load while we fix the one that's gone wrong. They can even transfer soil samples between them without risking external contamination." His face goes a little downcast. "If that ever happened, I'd need a real good excuse why I didn't just fix the thing."
Like, 'job in jeopardy' good or just 'docked bonus' good?

Miss Teschmacher raises her eyebrows. "Has that function ever been used?"

"Ah, only in field trials. We wanted to make sure that it actually worked in the fields, when it was raining and the ground was churned up. Took a while for the computer to get the hang of navigating like that, but it worked fine."
Makes sense. Never know what conditions they might be forced to operate under.

I nod. "Do they drive themselves, or does the main computer handle it?"

"Mostly, they drive themselves, but the main computer handles task assignment and monitors them to make sure they're not doing anything stupid. In theory they can handle regular tasks without the main computer, but, y'know, belts and braces."
Never underestimate a computer's ability to misunderstand a basic command. All it takes is one wrong bit...

I smile. "But they can't fix themselves, right?"

"No, no, they can. I'm just cheaper than the engineer robot." He chuckles. "But seriously, humans are a lot more adaptable than any robot-." He glances aside for a moment. "Any robot that isn't legally a person, anyway."
Because that's a thing now in their universe. Good on OL for making that happen.

"Oh yeah, I heard about LexCorp having an AI. Have you met it?"

"Ah…" He looks a little awkward. "Technically? I know it-. He…" He does a small shrug. "He tends to use Mister Luthor's face when he has to talk to someone, but I don't know if he actually thinks of himself as male-. Anyway, I check that our data is getting submitted properly, and I know it all goes to him, but I don't think he's ever said anything to me directly."
It's one of those things that, if everything is working properly, never needs to happen, certainly.

I frown. "You don't think?"

"Well, he's an AI, so it's pretty easy for him to put on a voice or change his e-mail address. But I don't know if he's got that sort of sense of humour. Or any sense of humour at all."
Wouldn't even have to change it. Way too many ways to spoof that shit... As a purely informational entity, he'd have it even easier.

Miss Teschmacher rolls her eyes. "He does. Don't ask me how I know."

He raises his hands. "You're the boss. So, anything else you wanna know?"
Heh. She's definitely been on the receiving end of that, hasn't she? still, better a prankster than an omnicidal lunatic or a megalomaniacal conqueror.

I point to the robot that he's working on. "What's wrong with this one?"

"Oh, nothing much, really. The air filters need replacing; that's the most common problem they have. Dust, pollen…" He shrugs. "Procedure is to also do a manual inspection on the rest of it at the same time, but that almost never turns up anything. Here, I'll show you."
Always a safe plan. Better to look and not find, than not look and fuck up.

He presses a few buttons on his laptop, and the side of the robot opens up. I crouch down to get a better look. Inside… It's pretty rugged. The samples…

"It doesn't do the tests itself?"
Hope they have manual release controls too. What happens if it's comms system goes of the blink?

"No. Mass spectrometers that size aren't rugged enough to use on a farm."

Huh. I guess it makes sense. There's a carousel where the sample containers get brought to the sampling mechanism, and then they get loaded into a rack-.
Presumably for offloading back at its base station. And from there, to a lab?

"And I guess the robot can insert this bit right into the testing machine?"

"That's right. Then an empty one gets loaded back in, and then it's back to work."
No time wasted, efficiency is god here, eh?

"And…" I look down. "This bit is for the fertiliser?"

"Ah, mostly. We can actually set it to spray just about any solution we need. We do test a variety of different soil conditions here. Remember, this isn't a commercial farm. We're not trying to make a profit selling our produce. We sometimes deliberately damage or poison our plants to check exactly what their performance thresholds are."
Logical enough, given this is their testing site, not a production facility.

"But… If you're just trying to maximise yields, you-. You'd be testing them with whatever fertilizer the farmer would be using, right?"

"Yeah, a lot of the time. But there's actually a big problem in some places with fertilizer run-off getting into rivers and lakes. See, it basically supercharges the algae, which sounds okay, until they die and start rotting. That supercharges the bacteria, which breed like crazy and use up all the oxygen in the lake. And that kills everything that needs oxygen, which is just about everything. A few of the strains we're growing now are designed specifically to flourish without fertilizer."
A very real problem, alas. Honestly, around this Earth, I'd half expect that to cause some sort of super-monster to appear eventually.

I frown. I guess a variety that produced less… Fruit or seeds would need less fertilizer and wouldn't risk killing itself by producing more than the soil could support. That's basically what winnowing is. But that's not exactly flourishing.

I turn to look up at him. "How does that work?"
Magic, I suspect. Probably very well-analysed magic.

"Ah, heh." He chuckles awkwardly. "Get a full time job at LexCorp, stick at it for five to eight years, and then sign a bunch of non-disclosure agreements, and you can find out!"

Huh. That's… Fair, I guess. I'm basically just here to fetch and carry things. They're not going to let an intern in on company secrets. I could just get a closer look at the plants when I do… Whatever manual stuff that needs to be done with them, but… That's not why I'm here.
True, Mitchell. this isn't an official Team mission.

So I just stand up and shrug. "Well, maybe. What other robots do you work on?"

"Just the planting and harvesting robots. They're like bigger, more adaptable combine harvesters. They can actually.. work as combine harvesters, but like I said, we don't usually grow for volume here."
Nothing that could cause much havoc if some machine-manipulator showed and and played hijacker, then.

I frown. I don't know much about the Kent farm, but I'm pretty sure they hire seasonal laborers rather than using farming robots.

"Isn't something like that really expensive? I mean, compared to just hiring people."
Honestly, these days, I could see the Kents having become more of a little specialist farm or something.

He shrugs. "They don't let me work on people."

Miss Teschmacher does a… P.R. smile. "While LexCorp does own farms which make extensive use of human resources, in this facility it's important to accurately record everything in a way that would be impractical for a human agricultural laborer."
Especially ones that might have legal issues or language problems that get in the way. Also, simple human laziness making them go 'eh, I don't need to write that down, it's nothing'.

I nod. "And.. I.. guess that if someone needs to work for LexCorp for years to even find out what you're working on, farm hands would be a security risk, huh?"

Neither of them say anything, though Mr. Flaherty awkwardly looks at Miss Teschmacher for a moment.
Dead on the mark, I suspect.

I shake my head, not wanting to get him in trouble. "It makes sense. We mostly have other Amazons working at the embassy, or other people Mom's known for a long time. Sometimes, we get… People who probably shouldn't work there applying for positions."

Miss Teschmacher nods. Mom says that she always phrases it like that because people assume it's some sort of sex thing. Actually, the real problem comes from spy agencies and people working for criminals. If Mom was body-shy she wouldn't have spent decades fighting crime in a metal swimsuit.
On the upside, the Amazon staff would make it pretty clear if someone's attentions are unwanted. And they probably take a sisterly interest in their less powerful co-worker's affairs.

I don't really… I don't have a costume, but if I actually started being a full time superhero I'd probably copy Conner's old style rather than wear something skin-tight. I mean, a solar suit would do more for me than him, but…

It has some really bad memories for me.
I still say blue pants and red sleeveless shirt with Wonder-woman emblem works. Metal bracers optional, and he might have to field some jokes about dressing like his Mom...

"Okay, so where are we going next?"

Miss Teschmacher checks her planner for a moment. "How.. about.. we check out the fields, and you can see the planting robots in action, then I can show you what you'll be doing for the rest of the day?"
Ah, orientation. Always that awkward moment when you finish one bit and have to chill...

I smile at her. "Sounds good. Ah, how smart are they?"

"About as smart as the sampler robots. We're not running an AI slave plantation."
...Again, that's a reasonable concern in this universe. Though could you imagine AI bots going on strike and unionising?

"No, I didn't mean-."

"AIs that intelligent are far too expensive." And she smiles like it's a joke, but she did just kind of imply that they would if they were cheaper. They did with the genomorphs, even if they tried blaming Jim Harper. "This way."
Eh, they can't help being a little villainous sometimes.

Ah, the joy of a first day at work. At least after you go through all the video-watching and seminars on job safety. Though some of those sort of videos are gems. Like safety-training vids that do the over-the-top dramatic thing... Ironically, Mitchell can shrug off most of the situations those involve...
 
Working Relationship (part 7) New
April 27th, 2013
09:29 EST


I didn't really appreciate how big this place is.

The entrance is right next to the workshop and the greenhouses, and obviously I didn't fly here. And I know the idea that Lex Luthor ordered everything in LexCorp to be lead lined is kind of a joke, but x-ray vision gets kinda blurry if you try staring through too many walls. And they've got trees along the road…

But from here I can see all of the annual crops, and the smaller flowering plants, and it's all laid out in giant rectangular fields, with strong steel fences dividing them up.

The fields are really big, actually.

"How did you get those whole area this flat?"

"Hm?" Miss Teschmacher tears her own eyes away from the view. I… It might be a bit rude to think this, but I don't think that human eyes could really let her take this in like mine can. "Oh, huge amounts of low and semi-skilled labor with digging equipment. It's not exactly the Grand Canal, but it was fairly impressive to watch it all come together."

Each of the fields are fenced off from each other, with computer controlled gates between them. There are gravel and dirt roads, and… Drainage trenches at regular intervals. The robots are a bit like weird-shaped combine harvesters, and-.

I watch as one turns off a road and then… Lower itself, retracting its road wheels and lowering the broader and more rugged off-road wheels before manoeuvring onto the planting area.

"The plan required that we have precise control of the drainage and microbial content of the soil. The first thing that was produced here was the topsoil that now covers the farm."

"Do you use magic?"

She looks a little surprised. "Magic?"

"Yeah. Y'know. Gotham got buried in vines two years ago, and then there's what the Accala have done in Brazil… It looks like a growth industry. And.. I heard about LexCorp making that warded paper. But I… Guess we shouldn't talk about that."

"Perhaps that would be best." She gestures to a nearby SUV. "Shall we?"

She takes the driver's seat, and I climb into the passenger seat next to her. Huh, it's fully electric. I guess when the whole farm is run by robots you might as well take advantage of the fact that you have to run power cables everywhere anyway.

"But it's still a big deal. I just… Thought that even if most people can't be P-. Pamela Isley or Swamp Thing… It's something people could do?"

She presses the accelerator, and pulls the SUV out of the parking lot and onto the road.

"I see what you mean. But there are two problems. Firstly, while LexCorp has… Ah, tried to make connections with the magical community, there simply aren't that many magicians in America. Not ones with abilities that can be used on any sort of scale. As far as we can tell, magicians like Giovanni Zatara are actually very unusual, and are just born with far more raw power than most people. And then, when it comes to growing plants better, most of the magicians who could do something we might have been able to work with didn't want to work with us."

"Why not?"

"Well, they were… Mostly… Ah… How do I put this? Well, they liked the simple life."

"Simple? Like, living in a cabin in the woods and living on what they grow for themselves?"

"That's…" She looks a little awkward. "More or less it. People who reject modernity don't have much time for agri-business. So between them and the rarity of powerful and knowledgeable wizards, it hasn't really been something that we've been able to try out. I think that.. some part of the company was trying to reach out to Atlantis, but between KordTech and the Orange Lantern Corps, most of their more adventurous magicians were already fully employed."

We stop at a gate, and she leans out of her seat and holds up her badge to a scanner. A moment passes and then there's a happy-sounding beep and the gate starts to open.

"How about just buying a magic book?"

"We…" She nods. "We did do that. The problem was that Atlanteans live under water, and the spells needed to grow things in the air are very different. Seaweed just isn't a mass appeal product on land, and I don't think that's going to change."

She drives us through the gate, and it closes behind us. This field… Looks like potatoes. Two planting robots are still planting the far side of the field.

"So what's happening in this field?"

"Ah, with these potatoes we're trying to increase their nutrient count while trying to make them grow a more regular size. They're also a little hardier and more disease resistant than most current potato brands, but those are modifications that we've already researched."

"Is the size of potatoes really a problem?"

"I wouldn't say that it's a problem, but there's an optimal size where the plant efficiently turns nutrients into potato without creating a potato that's awkward to dig out or use in factory processes. If we can make every potato the same size you'd be amazed at the savings we can make on large volumes."

"I guess I'm used to smaller scale farming." I shrug. "Amazons have only been farming potatoes for about a year."

"Oh? I assumed they either weren't interested in outside produce or they'd have started growing them decades ago."

"Ah… Orange Lantern… He brought a shipping container of outside food to Themyscira a few years ago. That got them interested in a few things."

And it did, but the reason they started farming potatoes was because Cassie started nagging them about making fries. And I don't think that Lex Luthor knows about Cassie yet.

I look over to where one of the robots has finished a row. It pulls onto the road, turns in a circle and then drives back onto the growing bed, giving me a better look at its digging tools. It has a kind of cylinder cutting tool, which it punches into the ground and then uses to dig out a cylinder of earth, watched by a whole bunch of cameras so that the robot can see exactly what the soil is doing. The seed potatoes are in a little hopper just to the side, and a separate arm picks it up and plants it once the robot decides that the hole is the right depth. Then the cylinder shakes and deposits the earth back in broken lumps. And then the robot drives forward-.

Huh. It's working on several plantings at once. Two rows of four, then it drives forwards for the next set.

"Do you think they'd be interested in anything we could provide?"

"Ah… They might be? But I don't think they'd want plants that don't produce their own seeds. Or… If that's what you sold them, they've got a few priestesses of Demeter, so…"

She raises her eyebrows. "They could make them fertile?"

"I don't know. Probably. Or Demeter could."

We turn a corner, and start driving parallel to the path being taken by the closest robot.

"Do the robots use the same tools for everything, or do they have different modules they can swap in and out?"

"Different modules, and the machine that swaps them in and out is entirely automated. It can even do basic maintenance, though Mister Flaherty handles anything complicated."

The robot finishes its planting action and then stops, retracting its tools inside its chassis. Then it deploys its road wheels… While keeping its dirt wheels down?

Did I get the wrong-?

It turns on the spot, churning up the earth around it, and then drives towards the road we're on.

"Okay. Ah. Is it supposed to be doing-"

The SUV's engine dies and the robot accelerates hard.

"-that?"
 
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"That's…" She looks a little awkward. "More or less it. People who reject modernity don't have much time for agri-business. So between them and the rarity of powerful and knowledgeable wizards, it hasn't really been something that we've been able to try out. I think that.. some part of the company was trying to reach out to Atlantis, but between the KordTech and the Orange Lantern Corps, most of their more adventurous magicians were already fully employed."
That should be removed.

The robot finishes its planting action and then stops, retracting its tools inside its chassis. Then it deploys its road wheels… While keeping its dirt wheels down?

Did I get the wrong-?

It turns on the spot, churning up the earth around it, and then drives towards the road we're on.

"Okay. Ah. Is it supposed to be doing-"

The SUV's engine dies and the robot accelerates hard.

"-that?"
My bet is either someone is hacking LexCorp tech or there's a rogue AI on the loose.
 
April 27th, 2013
09:29 EST


I didn't really appreciate how big this place is.

The entrance is right next to the workshop and the greenhouses, and obviously I didn't fly here. And I know the idea that Lex Luthor ordered everything in LexCorp to be lead lined is kind of a joke, but x-ray vision gets kinda blurry if you try staring through too many walls. And they've got trees along the road…
Making everything lead-lined would be an OSHA nightmare, never mind the cost. better to use materials that hopefully obfuscate a kryptonian's vision, with various densities and shapes that would confuse the outlines of things beyond them like the trees do.

But from here I can see all of the annual crops, and the smaller flowering plants, and it's all laid out in giant rectangular fields, with strong steel fences dividing them up.

The fields are really big, actually.
After all, no human personnel to get tired walking up and down them. The Robots don't care about distances travelled, beyond effective mileage.

"How did you get those whole area this flat?"

"Hm?" Miss Teschmacher tears her own eyes away from the view. I… It might be a bit rude to think this, but I don't think that human eyes could really let her takes this in like mine can. "Oh, huge amounts of low and semi-skilled labor with digging equipment. It's not exactly the Grand Canal, but it was fairly impressive to watch it all come together."
Presumably to ensure as few experimental variable as possible. Real farms have slopes and clumps of trees, after all.

Each of the fields are fences off from each other, with computer controlled fences between them. There are gravel and dirt roads, and… Drainage trenches at regular intervals. The robots are a bit like weird-shaped combine harvesters, and-.

I watch as one turns off a road and then… Lower itself, retracting its road wheels and lowering the broader and more rugged off-road wheels before manoeuvring onto the planting area.
Saves wear and tear on each set, I suppose. And off-road tires probably don't have as good a grip on tarmac or asphalt.

"The plan required that we have precise control of the drainage and microbial content of the soil. The first thing that was produced here was the topsoil that now covers the farm."

"Do you use magic?"
A fair question. Still, they are going to have to widen their testing conditions to reflect real-world conditions.

She looks a little surprised. "Magic?"

"Yeah. Y'know. Gotham got buried in vines two years ago, and then there's what the Accala have done in Brazil… It looks like a growth industry. And.. I heard about LexCorp making that warded paper. But I… Guess we shouldn't talk about that."
I'm sure Lexcorp staff can neither confirm nor deny any 'warded paper' tags that may or may not have been produced. Though I would not be surprised to find rumours like that turning up on the internet.

"Perhaps that would be best." She gestures to a nearby SVU. "Shall we?"

She takes the driver's seat, and I climb into the passenger seat next to her. Huh, it's fully electric. I guess when the whole farm is run by robots you might as well take advantage of the fact that you have to run power cables everywhere anyway.
And Lexcorp probably has amazingly good battery technology, given their power armour tech-branch.

"But it's still a big deal. I just… Thought that even if most people can't be P-. Pamela Isley or Swamp Thing… It's something people could do?"

She presses the accelerator, and pulls the SUV out of the parking lot and onto the road.
Yeah, Pammy isn't exactly poison anymore, even if she's still a little leery of humans.

"I see what you mean. But there are two problems. Firstly, while LexCorp has… Ah, tried to make connections with the magical community, there simply aren't that many magicians in America. Not ones with abilities that can be used on any sort of scale. As far as we can tell, magicians like Giovanni Zatara are actually very unusual, and are just born with far more raw power than most people. And then, when it comes to growing plants better, most of the magicians who could do something we might have been able to work with didn't want to work with us."
I suspect there's not a lot of crossover between hedge-wizard culture and corporate culture, after all. Pity. Shadowrun shows how well stuff like that could work.

"Why not?"

"Well, they were… Mostly… Ah… How do I put this? Well, they liked the simple life."

"Simple? Like, living in a cabin in the woods and living on what they grow for themselves?"
Hey, the druid-types probably do have a sense of nature's limits.

"That's…" She looks a little awkward. "More or less it. People who reject modernity don't have much time for agri-business. So between them and the rarity of powerful and knowledgeable wizards, it hasn't really been something that we've been able to try out. I think that.. some part of the company was trying to reach out to Atlantis, but between KordTech and the Orange Lantern Corps, most of their more adventurous magicians were already fully employed."
And Lexcorp isn't about to hire them as consultants, were they?

We stop at a gate, and she leans out of her seat and holds up her badge to a scanner. A moment passes and then there's a happy-sounding beep and the gate starts to open.

"How about just buying a magic book?"
Problem being finding one written by someone trained in surface-style magic. Atlantis probably has plenty of biomantic works, but...

"We…" She nods. "We did do that. The problem was that Atlanteans live under water, and the spells needed to grow things in the air are very different. Seaweed just isn't a mass appeal product on land, and I don't think that's going to change."

She drives us through the gate, and it closes behind us. This field… Looks like potatoes. Two planting robots are still planting the far side of the field.
...Yeah, unless they're interested in exotic underwater plant life... Well.

"So what's happening in this field?"

"Ah, with these potatoes we're trying to increase their nutrient count while trying to make them grow a more regular size. They're also a little hardier and more disease resistant than most current potato brands, but those are modifications that we've already researched."
With that 'more regular' size being larger than most breeds as a bonus?

"Is the size of potatoes really a problem?"

"I wouldn't say that it's a problem, but there's an optimal size where the plant efficiently turns nutrients into potato without creating a potato that's awkward to dig out or use in factory processes. If we can make every potato the same size you'd be amazed at the savings we can make on large volumes."
I suppose that's a reasonable point. Not much point producing an occasional 15-pound tuber if your equipment can't handle that size easily.

"I guess I'm used to smaller scale farming." I shrug. "Amazons have only been farming potatoes for about a year."

"Oh? I assumed they either weren't interested in outside produce or they'd have started growing them decades ago."
Guess they realised Man's World has a few useful things to learn.

"Ah… Orange Lantern… He brought a shipping container of outside food to Themyscira a few years ago. That got them interested in a few things."

And it did, but the reason they started farming potatoes was because Cassie started nagging them about making fries. And I don't think that Lex Luthor knows about Cassie yet.
I'll bet potato chips (not crisps) caught on after the first few meals of such that people tried. Wonder what recipes and cuts they prefer...

I look over to where one of the robots has finished a row. It pulls onto the road, turns in a circle and then drives back onto the growing bed, giving me a better look at its digging tools. It has a kind of cylinder cutting tool, which it punches into the ground and then uses to dig out a cylinder of earth, watched by a whole bunch of cameras so that the robot can see exactly what the soil is doing. The seed potatoes are in a little hopper just to the side, and a separate arm picks it up and plants it once the robot decides that the hole is the right depth. Then the cylinder shakes and deposits the earth back in broken lumps. And then the robot drives forward-.
Efficient, and well-documented. And definitely far faster than any manual planting process.

Huh. It's working on several plantings at once. Two rows of four, then it drives forwards for the next set.

"Do you think they'd be interested in anything we could provide?"
Themyscira doesn't really have the infrastructure for your newfangled methods... And the crops probably won't thrive if the Gods take a dislike to them.

"Ah… They might be? But I don't think they'd want plants that don't produce their own seeds. Or… If that's what you sold them, they've got a few priestesses of Demeter, so…"

She raises her eyebrows. "They could make them fertile?"
At the least. If Demeter felt like it, she could probably make whole plants ex nihilo.

"I don't know. Probably. Or Demeter could."

We turn a corner, and start driving parallel to the path being taken by the closest robot.
And when you're competing with a goddess of fruitful harvests... You're going to lose.

"Do the robots use the same tools for everything, or do they have different modules they can swap in and out?"

"Different modules, and the machine that swaps them in and out is entirely automated. It can even do basic maintenance, though Mister Flaherty handles anything complicated."
Sounds kind of a cushy job, really. Though I doubt he gets to spend his whole day sitting around playing cards.

The robot finishes its planting action and then stops, retracting its tools inside its chassis. Then it deploys its road wheels… While keeping its dirt wheels down?

Did I get the wrong-?
...Huh, that's odd.

It turns on the spot, churning up the earth around it, and then drives towards the road we're on.

"Okay. Ah. Is it supposed to be doing-"
Oh, dear. Did Lex inadvertently leave some old code in the software?

The SUV's engine dies and the robot accelerates hard.

"-that?"
Okay, the robot being aggressive could be a fluke. But the engine dying? That's gotta be hostile action.

Hmm... Could be a ploy to see what Mitchell can do, power-wise. Could be some old, anti-Superman code in the machines' programming. Could even be outside action. It is highly suspicious that it only did so when he came near enough to it. I suspect we'll find out soon enough, hopefully without Mitchell blowing his internship by having to destroy it manually.

...but I don't think that human eyes could really let her takes this in like mine can.
...but I don't think that human eyes could really let her take this in like mine can.
Each of the fields are fences off from each other...
Each of the fields are fenced off from each other...
She gestures to a nearby SVU.
She gestures to a nearby SUV.
 
The robot finishes its planting action and then stops, retracting its tools inside its chassis. Then it deploys its road wheels… While keeping its dirt wheels down?

Did I get the wrong-?

It turns on the spot, churning up the earth around it, and then drives towards the road we're on.

"Okay. Ah. Is it supposed to be doing-"

The SUV's engine dies and the robot accelerates hard.

"-that?"
There it is.
 
I'm assuming it's that AI that thinks Lex is the perfect being to emulate.
 
That should be removed.
...but I don't think that human eyes could really let her take this in like mine can.
Each of the fields are fenced off from each other...
She gestures to a nearby SUV.
Thank you, corrected.
AI Lex's subconscious hatred of Kryptonians is probably getting the bots to try and kill Mitchell.
No, he's entirely conscious of it.
 

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