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Sneaking His Way into the Multiverse (RWBY Jaune, WC-lite mechanics)

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VLF said:
I think jaunes gonna have more fun in this world once he gets a better weapon or an upgrade
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Hunting big fuck off monsters is what Jaune lives for. And because this world puts more emphasis on the thrill of the hunt rather than solely killing beasts to protect people, he'll probably love this place eventually
 
LazyAutumnMoon said:
"Both."

She quirked a delicate eyebrow. "Bold of you." Stupid of you, she probably intended. "Any reason?"

Jaune gave a shrug.

"I dunno. Two monsters translate to twice the reward, I guess."

As one, the Hunters spun towards him, fingers pointing.

"""You're a genius!"""

Tattletale's smile grew stiff.
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Jaune is finally among his people.


....I am not sure what that says about Hunters.
 
DraconianGreed said:
If they can get Academy City tech to decode the genome of at least one monster of the Monster Hunter world, then maybe they can boost their physical strength even further?
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I think it was implied it something in the food that everyone eats that gives everything, including the human, increased strength. So if they eat enough good meals, and get a build up of what every it is in their system, then Jaune and Lisa with both benefit from it.
 
Huntsmen and huntresses: We fight for survival.

Hunters: We fight for sport! And survival too, I guess.
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RWBY: W-who are you?

Monster Hunter: I'm everything you tried to be and failed.
 
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Huntsmen and huntresses: We fight for survival.

Hunters: We fight for sport! And survival too, I guess.
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RWBY: W-who are you?

Monste Hunter: I'm everything you tried to be and failed.
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Don't forget Monster Hunters get to kill godlike beings so yeah...
 
SebazuD said:
I wonder how Jaune would react to the pokemon world, which is the absolute antitesis to every single aspect of his own world.

So, what would be the antitesis of Lisa's world?
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Sailor Moon? Maybe one of the more hopeful incarnations of DC Comics. Everything the promise of superheroes was supposed to be. Hell, maybe even Invincible: A deconstruction of the genre by someone who actually loves it.
 
Lazurman said:
You'd think a titanite-enhanced, Aura-infused blade would be doing just fine here. Ah well, fun fight, and Vomit Boy's making some fire-forged friends.
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Well, Jaune's sword is better pick against tad smaller enemies, like humanoids of about his size or somewhat larger Grimm. The monster hunter weapons are better suited for hacking away at huge dinosaurs by design.
 
Lazurman said:
Ah well, fun fight, and Vomit Boy's making some fire-forged friends
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It just struck me that for someone with a severe case of motion sickness (V1-3 Jaune) Vomit Boy isn't doing much vomiting while figuring out how to move around in 3D on the fly.

Also, speaking of this setting being both really familiar and antithesis to his home I wonder how would a setting like Attack on Titan feel to him?
 
Agent Orange said:
It just struck me that for someone with a severe case of motion sickness (V1-3 Jaune) Vomit Boy isn't doing much vomiting while figuring out how to move around in 3D on the fly.
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There was also a touch of it in the finale of V7. Jaune resting his hands and chin atop Crocea Mors' pommel with his eyes closed. A moment of restful respite, or focus on keeping his lunch down? I find the latter funnier.
 
Agent Orange said:
Also, speaking of this setting being both really familiar and antithesis to his home I wonder how would a setting like Attack on Titan feel to him?
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He probavly woild chastised the sheer casualties rates of Survey Corps and carelessness/uselessness of other Corps and the govt itself for not, well, find ways to minimised it. Like, i doubt Hunters and Huntress died by the droves like the Survey Corp does in each Grimm incursion, and they were less organised/more solo than the Survey Corp.
 
As much as a love the character writing, and it is great, I have to ask: when are we going to get anywhere? Like character growth and power wise. Because we are now 30 chapters and on our sixth world and we have at best two utility upgrades to show for it. Like everything has done nothing to actually increase his abilities. He has killed monsters, faced down apocalyptic beasts (Leviathan), and fought a being closer to a god then a person (accelerator is considered tier 8 by the very system you are using here, higher than many actual gods). But for all of that he still seems barely better than when he set out.

For all of his travels, all he has really gained is the third arm ability and a hammer space. I mean the last 2 worlds gave nothing at all in the way of actual boosts. Yes he got his flight boots, but lets be realistic they are not a real help. He is a tank, a sword and board fighter, not an aerial combatant. Anything they add is done (better) by his third arm. They are a minor movement boost with a list of limitations.

Then there is Dark Souls, which seems to be the spot with some real upgrades, but honestly after that fight I do not see it. Lets take a baseline for a minute. In RWBY, before receiving any training, he and his weapons were able to block an ursa major. Without a scratch. That creature is depicted as around twice his size (and he is 6'1"). That makes it half again bigger than even the largest bear at minimum. Bears can fold full steel doors. He then, cleanly, beheads the thing in a single strike. The French invented the guillotine because it is difficult to behead a human cleanly. Even with a two handed weapon, against a small neck, in perfect position a clean beheading was uncommon. The Ursa's neck was massive and he was using a single handed sword. Basically the baseline penetrative power of Crocea Mors is not unimpressive. Then it was supposed to be upgraded in Dark Souls but still cannot do more than scratch the most recent monster. Was that upgrade worthless? These are upgrades meant to bring normal weapons up to hurt gods and wound the immortal stone scales of ancient dragons, yet he is glancing off of the Rathalos. So that sword upgrade seems to have done nothing. Combine that with the talismans/skills he cannot use and weapons he does not use and we have yet another dud world.

Which leaves basically just Dishonored where he got third arm, a utility upgrade. Yes it is helpful, all maneuverability is, but again he is a sword and board tank. It will not help his main style of fighting. Give this to someone like Blake and it is a major upgrade, as it help the more acrobatic hit and run style of combat she uses. But for Jaune? It is a nice movement option, but not a true power upgrade.

And I do understand that this can come across as just a complaint that the main character isn't power fantasying hard enough. Plus I get that balancing can be hard, especially with something catalog adjacent. This genre is infamous for how easy it is to power fantasy off and escalate out of control. So I do understand the desire to try and not do that. To err on the side of caution and limit how much he gets and how easy it may be for him to use that which he does gain, but it is really starting to feel like an overcorrection.

Part of the hero's journey is their own growth, just as the world expands into something new and unknown so to does the hero grow to meet it. But Jaune seems to be standing still. I mean look at all of his recent worlds. He played backup to Solaire, then he was a side character to the Accelerator (a barely necessary one at that), and now what? Is he going to be the distraction for the hunters? Jumping up and down for the monsters attention while they do the actual work? Because sop far that's what he has been. What happens in the next world? Does he play backup again there as well? How are we ever expected to believe he can survive, let alone be of use, in a higher danger setting when he is a side piece in the current ones and he gains nothing from plane after plane? When is Jaune allowed to be the hero in his own story? To take the steps down the path towards saving his home? To actual be better and get stronger?

And again, I do get that it is a hard balance with the catalog. It can snowball so quickly when you give a character access to the multiverse and how powers can stack. That unless you make the character unreasonably stupid it can be difficult to justify them not just growing out of control. So I can see why you would be hesitant to give solid power ups. But man we are over 30 chapters and over 200k words in. That is two full novels in and he is still waiting on the first real power up. That is not slow burn, that is glacial.

You do such a great job with these characters and their interactions. You really have done an amazing job bringing them to life, I just wish you would let them actually grow.
 
Not going to lie.
Really hoping the cat is the next addition to the crew.

She doesn't 'overpower' the rest of the team.
And her sheer childish enthusiasm for anything new can be both a boon and a curse for future jumps.
 
Anom1 said:
As much as a love the character writing, and it is great, I have to ask: when are we going to get anywhere? Like character growth and power wise. Because we are now 30 chapters and on our sixth world and we have at best two utility upgrades to show for it. Like everything has done nothing to actually increase his abilities. He has killed monsters, faced down apocalyptic beasts (Leviathan), and fought a being closer to a god then a person (accelerator is considered tier 8 by the very system you are using here, higher than many actual gods). But for all of that he still seems barely better than when he set out.
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I mean, there was the whole negative balance to deal with first, and the world's are random.
 
DraconianGreed said:
If they can get Academy City tech to decode the genome of at least one monster of the Monster Hunter world, then maybe they can boost their physical strength even further? Aura enhances what's already there after all.
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coalface said:
I think it was implied it something in the food that everyone eats that gives everything, including the human, increased strength. So if they eat enough good meals, and get a build up of what every it is in their system, then Jaune and Lisa with both benefit from it.
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Yup, it's the food. Monster Hunter World introduced the concept of Bioenergy in the game to explain the absurd vitality of the monsters and the biomes.
Calories in other word.

CriticalFailure said:
Jaune is finally among his people.


....I am not sure what that says about Hunters.
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That they are geniuses beyond compare! Heh.

Agent Orange said:
It just struck me that for someone with a severe case of motion sickness (V1-3 Jaune) Vomit Boy isn't doing much vomiting while figuring out how to move around in 3D on the fly.

Also, speaking of this setting being both really familiar and antithesis to his home I wonder how would a setting like Attack on Titan feel to him?
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It's a strange thing that, sometimes, just by being in control of the motion of a car, the motion sickness can disappear. Maybe it's because by knowing what's about to happen we would instinctively brace for the changes.

Anom1 said:
As much as a love the character writing, and it is great, I have to ask: when are we going to get anywhere? Like character growth and power wise. Because we are now 30 chapters and on our sixth world and we have at best two utility upgrades to show for it. Like everything has done nothing to actually increase his abilities. He has killed monsters, faced down apocalyptic beasts (Leviathan), and fought a being closer to a god then a person (accelerator is considered tier 8 by the very system you are using here, higher than many actual gods). But for all of that he still seems barely better than when he set out.

For all of his travels, all he has really gained is the third arm ability and a hammer space. I mean the last 2 worlds gave nothing at all in the way of actual boosts. Yes he got his flight boots, but lets be realistic they are not a real help. He is a tank, a sword and board fighter, not an aerial combatant. Anything they add is done (better) by his third arm. They are a minor movement boost with a list of limitations.

Then there is Dark Souls, which seems to be the spot with some real upgrades, but honestly after that fight I do not see it. Lets take a baseline for a minute. In RWBY, before receiving any training, he and his weapons were able to block an ursa major. Without a scratch. That creature is depicted as around twice his size (and he is 6'1"). That makes it half again bigger than even the largest bear at minimum. Bears can fold full steel doors. He then, cleanly, beheads the thing in a single strike. The French invented the guillotine because it is difficult to behead a human cleanly. Even with a two handed weapon, against a small neck, in perfect position a clean beheading was uncommon. The Ursa's neck was massive and he was using a single handed sword. Basically the baseline penetrative power of Crocea Mors is not unimpressive. Then it was supposed to be upgraded in Dark Souls but still cannot do more than scratch the most recent monster. Was that upgrade worthless? These are upgrades meant to bring normal weapons up to hurt gods and wound the immortal stone scales of ancient dragons, yet he is glancing off of the Rathalos. So that sword upgrade seems to have done nothing. Combine that with the talismans/skills he cannot use and weapons he does not use and we have yet another dud world.

Which leaves basically just Dishonored where he got third arm, a utility upgrade. Yes it is helpful, all maneuverability is, but again he is a sword and board tank. It will not help his main style of fighting. Give this to someone like Blake and it is a major upgrade, as it help the more acrobatic hit and run style of combat she uses. But for Jaune? It is a nice movement option, but not a true power upgrade.

And I do understand that this can come across as just a complaint that the main character isn't power fantasying hard enough. Plus I get that balancing can be hard, especially with something catalog adjacent. This genre is infamous for how easy it is to power fantasy off and escalate out of control. So I do understand the desire to try and not do that. To err on the side of caution and limit how much he gets and how easy it may be for him to use that which he does gain, but it is really starting to feel like an overcorrection.

Part of the hero's journey is their own growth, just as the world expands into something new and unknown so to does the hero grow to meet it. But Jaune seems to be standing still. I mean look at all of his recent worlds. He played backup to Solaire, then he was a side character to the Accelerator (a barely necessary one at that), and now what? Is he going to be the distraction for the hunters? Jumping up and down for the monsters attention while they do the actual work? Because sop far that's what he has been. What happens in the next world? Does he play backup again there as well? How are we ever expected to believe he can survive, let alone be of use, in a higher danger setting when he is a side piece in the current ones and he gains nothing from plane after plane? When is Jaune allowed to be the hero in his own story? To take the steps down the path towards saving his home? To actual be better and get stronger?

And again, I do get that it is a hard balance with the catalog. It can snowball so quickly when you give a character access to the multiverse and how powers can stack. That unless you make the character unreasonably stupid it can be difficult to justify them not just growing out of control. So I can see why you would be hesitant to give solid power ups. But man we are over 30 chapters and over 200k words in. That is two full novels in and he is still waiting on the first real power up. That is not slow burn, that is glacial.

You do such a great job with these characters and their interactions. You really have done an amazing job bringing them to life, I just wish you would let them actually grow.
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"Someone who by all rights was fated to never fly, yet did? Perhaps that was a rarer, and precious, thing." - Chapter 28

All Jaune has is an extendable arm, a hammerspace, and a little more mobility. Sounds pathetic, doesn't it? In most stories, those stuff warrants a single line of mention at most, before the bona fide MC goes on to gain the power to wipe continents off the map.

Jaune has the equivalent of 3 Semblances.

...Well that's certainly a different way to look at it.

A relative way, in place of an absolute way. A personal way. In the bigger scheme of things, in normal power fantasy convention, it's chump change. Trash. A blip upon the ascent to the top. We know what the best powers across all the media franchises are, let's get to it and forget this kiddie stuff.
On a character level, it is power beyond his dreams.

I pasted warnings of what the story will be in my synopsis, in the author's note of the first chapter, and in the text itself. You read it, drew a mental picture of what it means, and the result is based not on the context of the character, but on the knowledge of all the worlds and characters you are familiar with including ones where gods and demons and more roam the land.

I think, that you have fallen deep, deep into the power fantasy, power level hole, and that has warped your perspective without you realizing it. What you consider overcorrection, I consider working as designed.

Starting from the bottom. It's a phrase we are familiar with. MC gets a gamer system and he's starting from the bottom.
It very often does not start from the bottom.
The MC already has ultimate power in his hand with that system, so things have to escalate from there in the narrative to keep the reader's interest. Powers gained must always top the last, because the threats are always above the last. Right out of the gates, we are sprinting to the top.

Does not a man need food? What hero can go to wage war against the gods without toilet paper?
I put forth a theory, bastardized from Maslow's, that the pyramid of power fantasy escalation does not have to start with OP power at the bottom, and proceed to aura farming at the top. That the bottom when referring to 'starting from the bottom' can still have meaning when it is the point where a person is concerned with the basic needs of living, and seek quality of life improvements. Where even the next meal can be something worth fighting for. Once those needs are met, then the person strives to go higher.

Feats. Power levels.
Jaune cut off the head of an Ursa. Dark Souls lets you upgrade a stick to beat up a god. Combined, would this not mean that Jaune's sword can now cut off the head of gods?
Jaune fought one godlike Tier 8 entity. Does that make him a contender among the Tier 8 godlike entities?
The entire way in this arc, I present a world that, on a fundamental level, is different from what the characters have faced. Bursting with life. Evolution taken to a whole new level. I meshed gameplay and lore together so that you may see what the Monster Hunter franchise is about.
But, by putting the label of 'flesh and blood creatures' and 'monsters' on them instead of 'godbeasts' and 'starspawns', they're apparently now of a lower Tier. An arbitrary ranking system shifts the threat that foes pose in the various different settings, creating a scenario where a character that has scratched a higher Tier must now keeping going higher, never returning to a lower Tier, even if context would suggest it is not lower at all and that the settings exist irrespective of each other. In short, power fantasy escalation takes place.

Personal power.
Jaune plays backup to other people, and you consider that a mark of shame, translating it to mean that he cannot survive in more dangerous places, or 'be of use.'
There's an idea that gets thrown around a lot. DPS is king, healers and tanks are trash. What's strategy, can we eat it?
I posit that the ability to connect with others has a value that lies beyond the numbers. Bridging the divide between strangers, bringing them together in a cohesive unit, is a skill that carries forward to multiple challenges.
Look at Monster Hunter. A team turning the tide against a foe Jaune cannot triumph over alone. He watches. He takes notes. A lesson reaffirmed to him piece by piece ever since Beacon, developing towards an epiphany. Is that not a valuable takeaway? Is that not growth?
Not if growth means personal power. DPS is king.

Character growth.
Emotions, principles, outlook. Why is that gained solely through battle?
I walk through the woods, and encountered a sweet songbird by a river stream. For a while, I listened, and once it ended I wished to hear another song. With such hope, I stayed there for an hour on, watching the river stream flow by, carrying with it the fallen leaves of autumn. Yet, in the end, the bird never sang again, no matter how I coaxed it. I didn't know what I felt then as I left the forest, but years later I looked back through all my experiences, beginning with that day in the woods, and thought "My happiest times are within those small moments."
---an example, written on a whim
Character growth is not one and done. It does not fit in a sentence, a paragraph, or a chapter. It is not a writer stating outright that this is what the character learned, he is this sort of person now. It proceeds in starts and stops, sometimes never expressed. Often, it is the character's journey in the entirety that reframes for them the various components in a new light.

This is my question. You say that 'Part of the hero's journey is their own growth.'
Are you thinking in terms of Jaune's growth, or a nebulous mix of genre conventions that establishes a baseline and an expectation in your mind of what growth is?
 
LazyAutumnMoon said:
Are you thinking in terms of Jaune's growth, or a nebulous mix of genre conventions that establishes a baseline and an expectation in your mind of what growth is?
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Speaking of growth: What's his current dick size, and when does he get to add a couple of inches?

Bazinga.
 
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But, by putting the label of 'flesh and blood creatures' and 'monsters' on them instead of 'godbeasts' and 'starspawns', they're apparently now of a lower Tier. An arbitrary ranking system shifts the threat that foes pose in the various different settings, creating a scenario where a character that has scratched a higher Tier must now keeping going higher, never returning to a lower Tier, even if context would suggest it is not lower at all and that the settings exist irrespective of each other. In short, power fantasy escalation takes place.
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Jaune, upon returning to Remanent and cutting off the Grimm Dragon's head in one swing: Wait, wat. Is that it?
Lisa, whose viewpoint has also definitely not been screwed with as well as a result of their trip, no siree: I thought you said this was a deathworld?

Keep cooking, you are doing great.
 
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I kinda get what he means sure jaune gained some new powers but nothing that helps directly to achieve the long term goal of getting Solutions for remnant or worm
 
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Yeah, trying to grow in these different worlds without sliding into complete moral bankruptcy (like that guy Jaune killed in the first chapter) and without meta knowledge is going to be slow to start. It's not like Jaune understands who to speak with to gain unlimited power, and he doesn't have any of the incredible snow balling abilities offered by the WC.

2 Hot Crown Subdues the Sinful said:
Speamiyof growth: What's his current dick size, and when does he get to add a couple of inches?

Bazinga.
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Hopefully Jaune's sponsor gives him the porn powers for no reason and without explaination. I need Tats to grow increasingly intimidated about Jaune'e growing schlong.
 
Speaking of long term, is theres a way for Jaune/Lisa to expand and improves the home? The one they live after each jump? It seems small and tight space.

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I need Tats to grow increasingly intimidated about Jaune'e growing schlong.
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Intimidated? Nah, Tats need to be wet.
 
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Personally, I am here for the journey of our himbo hero, so I am satisfied with the pacing of his progress. The only flaw for me here is that there is not enough chapters to gobble up immediately. I want +50 chapters now, but that is only the matter of time.
 
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